Animator: “I Can’t Afford A Girlfriend, Let Alone A Wife”
- Categories: Anime, News
- Date: Jul 1, 2009 05:47 JST
- Tags: Animation, Business, Marriage, Otaku, Production Controversy, Statistics
The dire financial straits of Japan’s animators appear to show few signs of improving, with a reported average yearly salary of Tokyo-area animators being around a measly $11,000 and the percentage of those leaving the industry entirely at 8 – 9%.
One animator reports a monthly wage of only $700: “I can’t afford a girlfriend, let alone a wife.”
Even a producer from well-known, although oft-troubled, animation studio Gonzo laments:
“Since last year the number of orders for new projects and our fees have been dropping. A 30-minute TV episode contract used to be ¥18,000,000 ($180,000), but now it’s around ¥13,000,000.”
The Japanese anime industry has experienced shrinkage since the 2005-2006 year, reducing in size from approximately 97 billion yen to the smaller, but still sizable, figure of 78 billion in 2008.
Japan’s strict hierarchical salary structure has always meant that younger workers must toil for some years at their professions before invariably receiving larger and larger pay raises as their seniority and (hopefully) experience levels increase.
This system, combined with the recent financial troubles of the anime industry and the already-low salaries paid to industry workers have resulted in Japan’s younger animators being reduced to practically below subsistence level wages.
The Japan Animation Creator’s Association, or JAniCA, recently reported the figures on Tokyo-based animator salaries as mentioned above following an investigation, giving the average yearly salary of an animator in his twenties as ¥1,100,000 (currently $11,412 USD).
With their pay being such a pittance, it is no surprise that JAniCA’s reported rate of these animators leaving the industry as being as high as 8-9%.
An article by Yahoo! Japan theorizes that some of the reasons for these humiliating salaries may be the increasing amount of animation work being exported to cheaper Asian countries (South Korea being a prime example), and a skill “vacuum” developing amongst younger workers as the number of skilled Japanese animators decreases.
One quote from an interview in Yahoo article comes from a 24 year old animator is given to illustrate common sentiments among the industry’s impoverished younger workers:
“I have zero money to use at all for recreation. Even if I could find a girlfriend, I really wonder if I could even marry her…”
As Yahoo estimates the average monthly salary of such workers in their 20’s as a pitiable ¥70,000 ($726), he might indeed have just cause to worry about such prospects, especially when the income expectations Japanese women have for their prospective husbands is taken into account.
Attempting to do something positive for the currently down on its luck industry, JAniCA is approaching the Japanese Government with the idea to create facilities helping to nurture Japan’s young talent, as well as to raise the public perception of the industry by non-otaku Japanese, whom for the most part take a rather dim view at the Akiba-related world of late-night anime.
Such an “Anime Palace”, as Yahoo calls it, may indeed have the whiff of an unreliable PR effort, but most in the industry and many fans would certainly wish to see something done to safeguard the essential supply of talent.
Via Yahoo! Japan.
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Wow thats low: / i get more money for doing nothing....
U Live off of wellfare? How bout getting a job? Or u still attending school/college?
i jealous, dang he live with out working!!
Same here... ^^;;
Man, I know this sounds harsh, but Im glad that I'm a American Animator (or at least studying in collage to become one) because it sounds harsh over at japan.
In Japan, being an animator is meant for people with passion, not for money. But still, I wish their salary will increase and all...
In America that same passion is needed to just land a job. Field's not easy to get into.
Shit still gets animated in Korea regardless where you're from.
Focus on the brain work stuff like (character, background) design or management.
Straight animating is like straight coding for program development. It's all been outsourced to Asia.
There's an even smaller number of those jobs than there are inbetweeners and keyframers because of what they are. You don't need a lot of concept artists or managers.
Then have fun with crap market wages.
I'm not saying the good jobs are plenty, but that should be your focus if you want above poverty wages.
People can always hire a semi-skilled specialist in another country cheaper than in a developed country. Specialize in the production and business side: plot writting, art design, storyboarding, marketing, sales, whatever takes some thinking or requires native langauge skills. ) or non-easily replicated techincal side of animation (Like really advanced computer grapics) because any job that competes directly with the rest of asia means you're fucked.
If you must take the crap job, which tends to be the case, at least use that as experiance to head into a less shitty position but I think all the j-animators are doing the same. So that's going to be a battle too.
I recommend getting out of animation and go into another industries. I'm sure their skills could be of great use for other businesses, especially marketing. But, I don't they're ready to give up on their dreams.
¥18,000,000 is $180,000, not $18,000.
Yeah, article writer might want to fix that.
Thanks - I have bad luck with typos when it comes to larger numbers...
"The Japanese anime industry has experienced shrinkage since the 2005-2006 year, reducing in size from approximately 97 billion yen to the smaller, but still sizable, figure of 78 billion in 1998."
a little confusing. Should rewrite the words IN 1998 to OF 1998 if you mean its the same as 1998's 78 billion. If thats not the case, please rewrite ! =(
Only one Company suffer from a Shrinkage was Gonzo.
Thanks Kortaku, that was an error.
Lazydabear, I was of course referring to the entire industry, which has shrunken by billions of yen in recent years, as covered in some of the links above.
So sad... they bring so much joy into the world, yet they themselves live in such conditions.
Yeah, they should be fuckin' super stars.
maybe we should hire them over to other countries with higher pay, then we can have quality anime all around the world and everyone is happy. =D
Yeah. Less crappy animeted TV for America too. The only good animeted television on America are the animes imported from Japan
Amen.
Not true, there are some wonderfully animated shows on American television, as long as you mentioned the actually ANIMATION of them and not the art. Simpler and easier to draw characters are easier to get animated, as it's easier to draw more frames of them. Compared to shows like Sponge Bob, a lot of anime barely look like they move. In such shows, it's like there's always multiple things on screen moving, while in anime it's suffice just to move a character's mouth and keep everything static for many seconds at a time.
The only thing I hate about American animation right now is their tendency to use too much undetailed computer art and graphics, and FLASH ANIMATION. There's also the lack of imagination, the lack of cartoons in general, and the tendency to make more intelligent cartoons for adults and to treat younger viewers like dumb buckets of money. I think spongebob and other cartoon network gems are the last stand for good cartoons in the classic sense, and that we'll never see american cartoons as awesome as the early 90s Batman TAS and X-men TAS ever again.
Also, anime fans saying anything good about the anime shown on american television? LOL
family guy and south park! hahahah
JUSTICE LEAGUE
Angry Beavers, Rocko's Modern Life, Ahhh!!! Real Monsters, Samurai Jack, Pinky & the Brain, Cow & Chicken, 2 Stupid Dogs, Ren and Stimpy, Rugrats, Corneil and Bernie, Invader Zim, Duck Dodgers, Dexter's Laboratory, Powerpuff Girls, Camp Lazlo, Animaniacs, CatDog, Johnny Bravo, Ed, Edd, and Eddy, Megas XLR, Courage the Cowardly Dog, Sheep in the Big City, Time Squad, Avatar, Grim Adventures of Billy & Mandy, KND, Chalk Zone, Smurfs, Thundercats, He-Man, Fosters - motherfuckers, I could do this all day!
The sarcasm is so heavy I can cut it with a knife.
Here, use mine. *Hands over katana
that will not suffice, you will need a beam saber powered up with trans-am....
oh god, that sounded so nerdy..
Maybe this explains why Evangelion had such crapy animation quality.
ouch, poor marina inoue. guess i'll have to marry her, if she wants some money.
wow go figure more doom and gloom from sankaku complex I'm really starting to get sick of these put down threads
I'd peg the rate at something like ~20% doom and gloom articles.
Much lower number that reading the local newspaper.
And at least here we have the benefit of good journalistic narrative that's on our side (my town's paper still sounds like it's from the neocon generation sometimes).
Better to be served your daily censorship / lonely otaku doses on a silver spoon than licking it off the floor with a tsundere's naked foot on the back of your hea... actually, wait O_O
Change that from tsundere to dominant, and I'm all game.
i love anime as much as the next guy but i can't say i feel a great deal of sympathy for these guys with the world economy in the crapper they should be happy just tp have a job. as for the trouble finding girlfriends that may well have something to do with the unreasonable expectations of japanese women (referencing earlier sanakaku articles) is it any wonder thier population is in a downward spiral....
that is what happens when you kill quality by contracting workers for cheap, while at first it might
look like a good business plan, in the end the lack of quality simply kills the product
uhh South Korean animation is just about on par with many japanese studios. The quality problem comes from the lowered standards and CGIization of newer and newer animes. Also theres the flood of Chinese anime which vastly outproduces Japan and Korea, which forces the latter to try to match output.
In the end, its the old quantity v. quality.
I remember one of the Animation Directer from Mad House was adressing that issue about South Korean Animation Company, In a Convention when a fan brought up this issu.He Talk about Animation made from Korea lack some quality but it didn't stop the Koreans.
yes, it is POSSIBLE that some korean animators are not as good as others lol. But on the average and as a whole, most have been decent and/or above decent animators. But obviously, like i said, its possible and is actually certain that there are those who lack quality, but in any industry, there are always some who do.
I guess that dude had some bad experience.
Last I checked people don't buy girlfriends?
Dutch wives/girlfriends (blow up dolls)are expensive.
Good point
Girlfriends often need to be pampered. Last time i checked, girls dont enjoy doing nothing at home everyday and will certainly be wary to marry such a person.
One day, Science will find a way to solve this problem.
may 20, 2018-first illegal designer clone and illegal ai with customizable personality are produced
april 13, 2019-AI is discovered, paniced populace tries to kill it and fails, skynet is born
april 14, 2019-judgement day
We'll have to enjoy it while we can.
btw LunarSD i would like to contact u on youtube, go there and you'll know how to find me.
Are you sure about that?
But they probably want to be able to be pampered with high quality snacks, furniture and tv...
@article pic
Attractive girl tortured artists probably don't have such problems ^^;
what in the world are you talking about
1) Article pic has cute girl artist (see: the boobage).
2) The facial expression = tortured artist.
3) And since when, in the course of mankind's history, have cute girls ever seriously been stuck suffering from financial & romantic woes?
4) See article title.
5) See my comment.
6) The ancient Egyptians built the first pyramids.
7) Butterflies can see in 4 primary colors.
8) ???
9) EPIPHANY.
lol wut
lol thut
1) at least half-decent boobage
2)?????
3)profit!
concise version
isnt it ogiue from Genshiken?
yep, that's her brush hair style XD
Ogiue! I guess this is a kind of "official" image.
the text on bottom right says "(C)Shimoku Kio, Kodan-sha; Illustrattion : Kenji Tsuruta"
just sad..I hope that these things will change..
naive optimisms GO!
you earn more money working at mcdonalds
No.
No, you don't.
Depends on where and how hard you work, and of course what position. (McDonald's higher-ranking executives surely don't get paid a pittance.)
well,at least they have a payroll on a monthly bases around $700,some workers in other countries earn only at least $10(average)per month,they're still lucky!!!
Agreed
In other countries where everything else is also cheaper, amirite?
I don't think those countries where you make 10$ a month are as much developed economically and industrially than Japan...
You can't really compare an underdeveloped country with a developed one like that...
I don't know how hard they work,
but their salary is somehow around my country's standards.
I feel it should be women who afford men, after all we are a vanishing species, and thus a luxury item. so i think they should pay
Naw, if the women go to China, it'd get all even. xD
And thus another reason why the birth rate is so low.
Unless you can find a girlfriend that very few desires of worldly goods, there is no chance at all.
Maybe with the issue that women want too much money and are extremly likely to cheat on you anyway...
Find a self-subsistent girlfriend perhaps...? Not all of us like to depend financially on our husbands, you know.
Guess you haven't seen previous articles about women's wishes in Japan.
surprised there wasnt a bashing on fansubs
Aren't JAPANESE cartoons made for JAPANESE audiences...?
What would be the point in BASHING fans in other countries for taking the effort to find some way of enjoying work they won't localize for at least a year in the first place?
Because when it is localized few will buy it because one, it's a year old already, two, they have it fansubbed already.
i just remember the quote "time waits for no one"
i think the solution to this is for the japanese to control all the anime market in the world
i just remember the article i read... hmm link
http://bluemist.animeblogger.net/archives/bluemist-anime-blog-pirated-edition-7-release-candidate/
Same old argument, same old counter.
Japanese audience can download/torrent the very same fansubs and forget about buying DVDs.
Wow, what a shame. By the way...
OGIUE IS MY WIFE!!!!! *huge grin*
Love that pic.
The industry needs to consolidate. There's too many firms for the market in a shrinking market. It's time for some merger and acqusion. Buy Gonzo, regorganize it. KyoAni should buy it actually since they're behind on all their major francises and could use an increase in production.
And the animators should do something else. Like anything else. They're making $ 4.375 an hour. I think it's possible that even Walmart could pay more. I think that is really really sad.
Previous articles have stated that is indeed what they do. They work during the day at one job, and at night, they work the animator job and the studio is active then.
Psh, there are people who have 2 jobs just to make ends meet in places. These japanese animators should learn from that >.>
The only problem with that is that they already work ridiculous hours as animators.
Their misery makes me laugh. Talk about utter failures--the end result of mass-produced television with zero artistic talent.
I sincerely laugh as they die inside.
Hey guys look, a cute little 4chan troll.
Reduce quantity, increase quality, sell online and don't sell 3 episodes per dvd. Simple as pie. Moving on...
your telling them to change their business model? come on now, they (like the movie / music industry) like to think they can do the same old forever.
"your telling them to change their business model? come on now, they (like the movie / music industry) like to think they can do the same old forever."
Wasn't this satirized in Zetsubou Sensei?
AND REDUCE MERCHANDISE? Go to hell... Digital media sucks... Your rack will be as empty as hell...
When I look around the stores in tokyo I find anime tv series dvds which are like 3 episodes a dvd for 6000-7000 yen!!!! Most american films in Japan sell for about 2000-4000 yen.
Why is anime so damn expensive in Japan? To buy a whole series of anything costs a small fortune.
Its a waste of money, especially in the bit torrent world we live in now.
If they sold whole series online for a reasonable price, how about 3000 yen for the whole series perhaps? Then I might give money rather then download for free but with the prices they charge for anime in japan they deserve to get fucked over.
They said $700 is low?
My salary is below $700, so what will they call me?
compare it to the cost of living in your place to their.
I live in one of the most expensuve cities. I need almost two my mounthly salaries to rent a room. What sould I do?
The girl in the pic is that otaku chick from Genshiken
yw
*Ding Ding Ding Ding*
Give this idiot a cigar!
Ouch... Geez, that explains the fail quality of much of the anime we've been seeing lately. I wouldn't work very hard either if it meant the pay was that crappy...
same
"The Japanese anime industry has experienced shrinkage since the 2005-2006 year, reducing in size from approximately 97 billion yen to the smaller, but still sizable, figure of 78 billion in 1998."
Umm, don't you mean 2008, not 1998? Not sure how a figure could reduce *up* from a lower value 11 years ago.
I really things improve for the animators because I've actually been liking the shows that have been coming out this decade.
Still, at least artists CAN get work there. It's SO hard for someone like me who majored in cartooning to not find work.
I'm pretending that the girl in the pic is upset because her job as an animator doesn't pay her enough to buy me a Christmas present so that I may accept her as a girlfriend.
eating one meal at the eva cafe will probably cost them their salary for the entire week!
Poor animators, no wonder they depend on koreans to do their work. Next thing tomorrow they'll hire Chinese to do their animation (LOL!!!!!!).
They already do. I see more mainland Chinese names, Thai and Vietnamese names in the credits than Koreans nowadays.
poor animators......
It would be good if LIKE most countries the price of stuff in japan was cheap..
Its sad to see skill labor get pay less than some unskilled jobs.
xD animators doesn't need life, just a pencil =D
The work of an in-betweener is definitely not an intellectually stimulating one, and not even a particularly creative one considering. Even a "code monkey" would fare better.
Little wonder, but it would seem minimum wage ought to be set at least a little higher than that.
is a girlfriend or a wife something you need to "afford"?....
well, girlfriends and wives need to eat don't they?
"All you need is loooove..."
yeeeap, that was a nice fantasy song....
Ya know, I find it actually commendable how so many otaku, and such people who decided to stick to following their dreams rather than follow the scent of money, learn to survive off so little cash so that they can continue doing what they love and respect. But, in the defense of non-otaku women or men who aren't golddiggers or discriminate based on wallet size, I can understand not wanting to get involved with such people if such people don't understand how to use what little money they have. "Hey there, I'm an anime loving animator, I may not have much but I have a lot of love to give. So, this is my small home/room, and this is my shelf of figurines and erm... various dvds and games... and.."
I don't mind the idea of making little money, but if I had to live off so little I'd use it for higher priorities before spending it on shit to fill my room with.
Not that I'm trying to generalize here, but I'm just trying to look at it from another perspective. I admit this is a bit of a stereotype though (at least my little example in the quotes was.. ^^')
But it's a little too cynical and sad to assume that your lack of money makes you any less of a person that you can't find a significant other. Thinking like that doesn't help confidence much, which I think should be more important in trying to find someone than money.
+1
They could always go Dutch...
Money is the root of all evil. But hey its makes the world go round and other things.
pitty..they work like shit and they got shit money for it..damn pityful ><..and the company take all the credits..
B u y D V D!
that oguie pic is love
I think you also need to look at what gets animated these days. In the 80s and early 90s there were fewer studios doing fewer projects. Then the anime boom hit and the market got flooded with a lot of anime with poor or no stories. I think this had a similar affect as the loan bubble that is currently at the heart of the global economic problems. As the market shrinks you should see a correction is quality of work and pay, I hope.
Exactly. As much as I'm enjoying many of the modern shows, there's just too many of them being made. Cut back on production and focus on quality. Gonzo and many other studio's (I'm looking at you, JC Staff) approach of making eight ten shows a year with the hopes that one or two are successful is proving to not be the best thing.
Kyoani is actually pretty good at not over producing. Although this means that
it took three years to get making more of Haruhi, at least pretty much everything they've made has been pretty successful.
While KyoAni isn't "over-producing", most of the shows produced by them half to appeal to a really big crowd, in order to make lots of profit with minimal output - which is what they're doing right now. They're lucky to have Haruhi/Clannad/etc, otherwise they would increase their output just like everyone else.
Who needs a girlfriend or wife when theres 2D :D
now you weaboos better think twice before you enter to this industry...
All women are whores, the sooner the guy realizes It the better. Also, I'm sure there are cheap whores In Japan for him to afford and get off on.
That must suck. I make 4,000 US per month. Here I thought I wasn't making much. Lol.
Does this mean (salary of Micky D employee in U.S.A.) = (salary of Japanese animator)?