A recent survey confirms the already well understood importance of wealthy spouses to Japanese women, suggesting that perhaps falling marriage and birth rates may have some connection to the possibly unrealistic expectations of such women with respect to income:
Over 90% overall (of both genders) desired marriage to various degrees. A similar result was obtained asking about whether children were desired.
60% of men expressed no preference over their partner’s income.
Male income desired by women (per annum salaries in yen):
Below 3,000,000: 0.9%
3-4,000,000: 9.8%
4-5,000,000: 16.1%
Over 5,000,000, below 10,000,000: 43.7%
Over 10,000,000: 9.8%Average “salaryman” salaries versus age (in millions of yen):
Male: 20～24: 2.7 25～29: 3.79 30～34: 4.61
Female: 20～24: 2.31 25～29: 2.94 30～34: 2.99The overall average for such workers of all ages is 4.37 million.
Marriage statistics suggest most women want a partner within 5 years of their own age. The actual age difference between partners has declined to 1.7 years in 2005, down from 2.9 in 1987.
These are based on official statistics and private surveys.
This can be interpreted as showing that women want a partner of the same generation, but the overwhelming majority also want a partner with an income significantly above average, and probably significantly more than their own.
A more controversial interpretation we see is that these women have little appreciation of their own social position (or at least are wildly ambitious), as the number of men earning at the levels being sought is much lower than the demand, suggesting the income expectations of most are completely unrealistic.
Although there is obviously a contingent who will settle for something more realistic, looking at the overall marriage and birth rate statistics suggests such optimistic expectations may be a factor.
Of course, these are just some of the interpretations possible – placing blame on Japanese women is not the intent, and nor is the evidence used here conclusive in any way.
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Quote: 60% of men expressed no preference over their partner’s income.
Women are more sexually attracted to men who make more money than themselves.
A woman's income has no relation to how sexually attracted a man is to a woman.
If I were to marry, I'd want my wife to make less than me so she'd continue to be attracted to me. It's just plain biology.
If a woman is tall, she'll want a man who's taller than her. If a woman makes $50,000 a year, she'll want a man who makes $70,000 a year. If she's a nurse, she'll want a man with more status such as a doctor.
Those 60% of men need to take another glance at the evolution textbook.
86,25671% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
Bride Yin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gold digging RL Women
forever alone
I approve of this post.
ALL Japanese women just wants a good looking guy who can come \. But then it could also be said about ALL women in general.
i dont care as long as i stick with wonderful 2D girl.
This anonymous is wise beyond his years ^_^
but dunno if it's just from the women's side only
for me it's "whoa with this money how can I support my family later if I were to get married (eventhough some people who earn less can get by already), If I haven't earned *** a month, I wouldn't think of getting married"
well, life's tough. whatever the reason no one wants their family to have nothing to eat, place to stay, and clothes to wear. but expectations are just expectations, some still get married even if they just barely can afford themself.
People in developed countries have been consumed with avarice to the point of letting charletans take charge of 60%+ of high positions. and then you need more and more money for things, as the economy gets worse....
Greed and impatience are slow killers, but they are the deadliest things on this planet right now.
As an Uncommon Otaku, I've noticed one bit of irony about why Japanese women scorn Otaku in general.
Its just that Japanese Women are also Otaku - but in total denial that they themselves are Otaku.
What do I mean?
I'm being serious here. Normal career japanese women are also otaku.
They are Finance Otaku, Travel Otaku, Career Otaku, and the most obvious of all "Fashion Otaku"!!!
Among others, you just have to put yourselves in their shoes and look at things from their perspective, then look at them from an objective perspective of an Anthropological Otaku's Social Sciences Otaku Perspective. Essentially a trick mirror.
Until such time as Japanese Women can come to terms with their own Otakuness, the argument of why Japanese Women disdain Otaku's is that Japanese women are also hypocrites.
Fashion Otaku's need to have a wealthy man to support their Fashion Otaku-ness. To this I say - DAMN GIRL - WHEN YOU GONNA GROW UP!!!
Which is why this otaku (myself) is only interested in girls his own age. Who are mature, intelligent and sensible,...... and of course cute too.
cheers all!!!
mahalo!
A lower birth rate is a GOOD thang. We have a population bomb going off, and Japan especially has limited space. Did you there is a line of oil tankers circling from the Persian Gulf to Japan that goes 24 hours a day and you can see the smoke from the one ahead and been you. This ain't sustainable.
Japan has a whole lot of people to lose before they disappear. And they lead the world in robots! The the bots works and the people play!
i love that Yin wedding dress picture, its so adorable xD
Genious is 99% insperation. 1% persperation.
In Japan, women are fucking bitches
That's what i'm thinking now
"Women have these things called "Expectations". "They're bad for us because we can never live up to them." ~Mung Dall
Hehe, whatever. Money means nothing when economies and governments collapse.
Been there done that, its 100% true. they are whoa. invested soo much time,effort and money it turn out to be a complete waste in resource. i'd say, invest in your self (my advice) i'd blame most of it to the society that give them too much freedom that makes them who they are now. would be nice if its 17th century all over again.
Women are money grubbing whores???
Who knew?
Pimpin' aint easy.
Hey morons, 5 million yen is around $50,000 dollars so that is not really that much.
Suddenly I feel much less sad (and better) about their vanishing nation.
no wonder there's so many divorces
So, in short, the old "Money Can't buy Happinnes"-notion is not well know by the female populace there heh?
The men there must have it quite rough huh? :S
"You make your choices and you live with 'em."
- Bill Murray (Groundhog Day)
I'm late 30's, American, making 20,000,000 yen a year. Working for a strong company - in this tough economy. Nice home. Healthy but not Brad Pitt. Those "credentials" get a LOT of attention. So it's good to plan to achieve them. The girls are counting on you.
It's just the way the world is.
Young beautiful girls get lots of attention. Men falling all over them. But, as the years pass, not so much.
Guys can flip that situation around. Young, you have less money and older you have more.
Choose the right career. Being Otaku is OK. Being a rich Otaku is better.
I was a military jet pilot until I was in my late 20's. Then a business executive.
Pilot wings make you sexy, even if the military doesn't pay much.
Executive pay makes you sexy, even if you're older.
Know the system and roll with it. Both men and women want someone they respect. And they just happen to use different criteria.
Treat women with respect and enjoy the time you share. Everyone wins.
Well said, However, I think that you left something out. Enjoy your youth and make sure you don't regret it when you become old.
Very true, from first hand experience I can tell you that I failed in my youth.
Very true.
Why is Sanya's eyes red? Heresy!
its not sanya, its Yin from Darker than Black
could have sworn the picture was captioned 'wedding dress Sanya' earlier. Oh well.
...
5,000,000 yen a year?Whoa shocking...
I get 50,000 yen a month and it's barely enough for food for me, and won't suffice for another person. So I understand the women perfectly, especially if they intend to become housewives after marriage. Of course if they really love their husband they will be willing to do a NKDI (no kids, double income).
I just want to point out that making 5,000,000 yen 'worth of salary' in other countries is different from making 5,000,000 yen in Japan...
Which makes them that much worse than other countries if I am to believe the cost of living is really that much lower there than in all? the rest of the developed world.
After looking at the statistic, I laughed out a little. That kind of expectation? Do they expect to go marry aged 50-60+ CEOs or something?
"Keep dreaming," is what comes in my mind. This statistic helps me further understand why Japan has such a low birth rate.
If a student like me was able to make 30k CAD in 5 months (although with lots of OT), I don't see how full time workers can't...Poor Japanese workers.
meh women are almost all the same... expensive and not worth the bother in my opinion...
and paired w/ all the extra dorama you get with 'em...
This is why I've sworn off 3D women. They're just not worth it anymore ^__^
Unless we have something like Chii, thats a different story :D
Now, the simple solution would be to marry an engineer. Pretty much guaranteed those guys are rich but lonely. It's a scenario where everyone wins.
That is if you believe they're so lonely and desperate that they'll grab anything that moves.
Their standards can be high, and whatever kind of girl it is must be very self-confident to think like that.
Sadly my friend, in this economic young engineer be very lucky to have a job. Btw, I'm an engineer and I'm don't think I'm rich or lonely(could be much better with a girlfriend though ><).
easier solution; I'm an organic chemist, and I am going to make some miracle compound that will make women go nuts! Axe did it, I can too!
They want a husband who is around their own age, AND make lots of money? That ain't gonna happen. Average male below age 30 ain't gonna make over 5,000,000yen, and if there's males at the age of 30+ that make that much money, would they actually marry women that are already pass their 'best before' time (30)? The chances are they would go for young wives instead of someone as old as themselves...
Really, the equation is not working out...
Considering the low starting salaries for Japanese, it seems marrying before 30 is practically out of the question for men.
So, you have to earn that much to get some pussy.. Then you work your ass off and usually never home due to work, what will stop her from fucking younger guys while your slaving away for her. Fuck that, rather stick to being a happy Otaku.. FTW
I love how figures actually CAN make profit xD
you forgot #6. they don't bitch.
that's why I have figures and dakimakuras.
This might be a rise of a new business, ero figurines for females?
That, plus they:
1. Don't age
2. Are faithful
3. Very low continuing maintenance cost
4. ???
5. profit
I agree with you there bro. I earn lot more than that, however the problem lies with a faithful wife.
I guess you guys haven't heard of a leash. ;)
Lol, now I somehow understand why people spend so much money on figurines... It's because they're much cheaper than a woman!
(Man, where do you get these pics??)
(Yin!! I love you~)
Now I ain't saying' she a gold digger, but she ain't messing with no broke niggaz.
Whoa! Japanese women's expectations are like skyscrapers.
You all need to stop looking at this from a Western perspective. Whereas the West has already experienced many waves of feminism, countries like Japan have yet to embrace concepts we take for granted. In Japan, when a woman gets married she is EXPECTED to QUIT HER JOB in order to start a family. Why doesn't she just send the kids to daycare, you ask? Well, good luck finding one. Even if you can find a daycare, you have to apply and make it through the waiting list before your wife can drop off Junior and get back to her own job. Even if she DID get her job back, she would be stuck at an income-cap because when companies hire young women, the woman is given a job with the expectation that she will someday leave after her marriage. Therefore, if you are running a company, what benefit does a well-trained woman give to your bottom-line? Absolutely none. So these women you’re mocking want a husband that earns money because they have no realistic expectation of being able to earn a significant salary of their own. The only exception to this general rule is foreign companies operating in Japan. When I was at university in Tokyo, all of the other Japanese girls were jealous of the one girl who got a job with J.P. Morgan, where she would be allowed to advance and maybe even get her kids into a company-run daycare. So, sure, a lot of Japanese women like to shop and spend money on brand-name items that they don’t need, but the problem is not that simple. Not all women are “gold-digging whores” and you will all be lonely for a very long time if you keep thinking like that.
Not our fault they have too high of expectations. And FYI, we don't hate on them because they want to marry rich, it's the fact that after marriage, all of the guy's income goes to the woman while the guy's on a small allowance. Seems kinda unfair to us, no?
Everyone on this planet makes attribution errors all over the place and lies to themselves continuously until they believe the rest of the world is wrong and they are right. And take idols sometimes, like obama. At least 95% of the time. that is the conclusion I have come to after 21 years of living and studying several sciences.
"Girls don't like boys,
Girls like cars and money...."
-Good Charlotte
Cats, Dogs, Monsters and Sons prohibited.
— Rudy's father
Tell me that you want those kind of things
that money just can't buy
For I don't care too much for money
For money can't buy me love
-The Beatles
Think again :}
Lol, if you do not make comments that hints to the matter of the post it is not funny!
"People die if they are killed!"
-Emiya Shirou
Mom and dad this is Chasey
Chasey this is my mom and dad
Now show em them titties
Now show em them titties
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whoever said "money cant buy happyness" doesnt know where to shop~
Billion Dollar Man
~Lawrence620 (cant seem to loggin)
"Death's design blood splattered wall
Face melting one vicious whore"
-Slayer
Isn't she lucky, this Hollywood girl?
- Britney Spears
Combo Breaker ^_^...sorry
"YATTA" - Happa-Tai
"Maguro tabetai~" - Megurine Luka
It's quite moe, until you realize she wants tuna every single goddamn day.
"Gold Digger"
-Kanye West
Yin FTW!!!
"They see me rollin'..."
- Chamillionaire
"I like-...little girls!
They make me feel so-...BAD!"
-Oingo Boingo.
"The only thing you need is the lower body.
Sell of those female pigs."
- Johannes Krauser II
It's a good thing that such data is in no way completely representative of Japanese women as a whole, nor are you drawing any sort of conclusion based on said facts!
Why, it'd sure be terrible if people were to misunderstand this as an unfair generalization against Japanese women!
Good thing we're not hurting anybody's feelings!
> It’s a good thing that such data is in no way completely representative of Japanese women
Indeed you are right. It's representative of not just Japanese women, but ALL women!
In the same way that all men want tits and arse that don't squish in their hands and a box that'll grip what they push, all the women just want financial stability and high status. They all want to be treated like a little princess, even if they're fat, stupid and ugly.
That's why, in the end, we'll all be fucking dolls or sex-robots or whatever.
i''ve decided to major in something science for college so i can just clone a woman and tell other woman "hahahaha i make tons of money and i can make my own women, looks like the tables have been turned" and i will be a great entrepreneur cuz yall wanna no how i did it and ill write a book so no worries
>Why, it’d sure be terrible if people were to misunderstand this as an unfair generalization against Japanese women!
That better be fucking sarcasm.
Or delicious irony.
I second that motion.
If you have a critique, then make it.
I was mocking the people who take personal offense to this sort of thing.
Survey = 100% representative of the people who took it. Do you know who took it? Was that fact mentioned? No? So shut the fuck up.
We've heard it all before. It's true that a majority of women in Japan have expectations that are just too high.
We need not a survey to confirm what we already know. Women are parasites, only tolerated because we need sons to take our places.
That is pretty unreasonable. Most girls I know (and myself) wouldn't have expectations this high. Love > money.
There is probably a bit of a trend varying area to area (very roughly...still depends on the people). Southern California, money=love.
my god... it... it all makes sense now!
What may need to be taken under consideration is what they actually expect. It's not necessarily surprising that women would like men to have strong incomes, but that's saying they want men with the motivation to have larger incomes (become stronger providers) than ones content with their lower bracket.
It's not saying they wouldn't date men with lower incomes, but, rather, wouldn't date men that seem to be going nowhere.
Cutie McTits isn't unwilling to date the Jim Stacks the stock boy in job training, but will run off with Keen Eyes the business student if Jim isn't taking his future seriously.
I don't see what the problem is. If you're asking "which you prefer", it's obvious they'll want a guy who can provide for them, no?
Imagine for a second that you might actually LOVE someone..
"What's LOVE gotta do with it?"
Who needs a heart, if a heart can be broken?
Love = Money.
The more money you have, the more love you can get.
I would have read the survey as "all other things being equal" tacitly added to the beginning of the survey question.
But then I'm neither Japanese nor female anyway.
I found the results a little odd. Apparently more people want between 5 million and 10 million yen than above it. I can only wonder what they'd get out of that.
It is their expectation. They would like a man earning 5-10M at least, not at best.
LOVE? what's that?
if you ingest it. expect extreme diarrhea.
Is it edible?
Nyorero~n