Nintendo: “Consumers Can’t Tell Wii U From PS4 Anyway…”
- Categories: Games, News
- Date: Jun 15, 2012 16:16 JST
- Tags: Comparison, Controllers, Interviews, Nintendo, Plagiarism, PS3, Wii, Wii U, Xbox 360
Nintendo’s CEO has been saying the PS4 and Xbox 720 are no competition for the Wii U – because consumers won’t be able to tell the difference anyway.
Nintendo boss Satoru Iwata in a recent interview, describing how irrelevant hardware specs are to the modern gamer:
“My impression is that the things that happened with Wii vs 360 or Wii vs PS3 won’t happen again.
If they decide to increase the spec numbers, will the consumers be able to realise the difference enough so that they can understand it’s much superior to today’s machine?
And also, if they beef up the processing power, that simply means much more work for software developers to take advantage of those spec numbers.
So I have to ask the question if that type of differentiation really makes sense.”
With the Wii U apparently struggling to beat even the current generation of consoles and some consumers sophisticated enough to understand something as complex as a screenshot, he had better be right.
In other remarks he politely chided Sony and Microsoft for ripping off Nintendo’s latest console, yet again:
“It’s quicker than before. After our showing of motion control, it took three years for other companies to follow suit.
But this time it’s just one year after our proposal, even before we’ve released the actual product. I think that proves the great potential of what we showed last year.
However, I have to point out that there are essential differences between what we are doing and what other companies are doing. The main difference is that anyone who has a Wii U will be able to enjoy the two screen experience, while the other companies are saying its optional, but only if you have this device or that device.”
He can perhaps be forgiven for a certain lack of concern after the crushing success of Move and Kinect.
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Oh god, the denial in the comments from die hard nintendo fans trying to bring some justification to comments like this are almost sad...
"Denial"? What he said is really true, regardless of whether you're pro or anti-Nintendo. The PS2 got away with being sub-specced in it's hayday, and people couldn't even tell that it couldn't even do what the Dreamcast did. On top of that, most people still don't know how to connect something to an HDTV using actual HDTV Cables.
I'm not a die-hard nintendo fan, I've got a wii, ps3, 360, ps2, xbox, gamecube, 64 and snes.. oh, and obviously a few computers and handhelds.. I play for fun and it annoys me to see people bashing a "gaming" console just because it doesn't have unneeded graphics.
Nintendo consumer= mothers.
Sony Consumer= 8 year olds who thinks playing M rated games make them mature
360 Consumer= FPS, FPS, FPS....
PC Consumer= Laughs at anyone arguing about graphics, power and specs *smirks at Sony fanboys*
Are we really going to do this?
Nintendo is making excuses for the fact that they want to save money on grpahics chipsets again. So much like Wii, WiiU's graphics will pale in comparison to PS4 or Xbox 720. The screen controller does intrigue me though. Looking forward to seeing a metriod, zelda, or starfox using it ( which I vainly hoped they'd have this year....-sigh- )
FF 13 and 13-2 were perfect examples of games that were clearly incredible to look at but because of that... we suffered in terms of "where in the &^%$ did my Final Fantasy go!?"
Truth is, we don;t need the ps4 or the 720 now... nor DO I think we will need it for at least 5 to 10 more years.
But hey, it's gonna happen. Sony promised us yet again, a 10 year system, but iirc ps3 came out during ps2's what was it... 7th or 8th year?
Yeah... I wont be surprised if next year or 2014 is the year the announcements come out... everyones gonan go apeshit for it I know... but I personally am just gonna go "well... It's time I guess..."
It's going to be rough for most console makers next gen to put in a lot of horse power when most homes are upgrading TVs from SD to HD. Accomodating the jump from 480p to 1080p in itself takes a lot of power, and current consoles are already struggling so much that they had to render some scenes in games with lower res.
However, I agree that simply not putting an effort to get the best graphics solution for their newest console is basically deliberately screwing their fans, whether those fans care or not. The fucker knows they have enough kids who'll buy their shit regardless.
One can say that Nintendo probably took to heart the failure of Gamecube which was technically superior to gen-winner PS2. Then again, Gamecube's failure is attributed to a whole lot of other shit; disregarding DVD media as one of them.
Or not planning on WASTING money on a bleeding edge chipset for a minor difference in visuals.
Graphical capabilities are really going uphill, as time passes it takes more number crunching power for less improvement.
We are past the days when the visuals on a new console will actually blow anyone away in contrast to the last. It'll take a real nit-picker to tell the difference.
I don't see ANY reason to put the most powerful hardware as possible in a console.
Sony fanboys rule this site. Just look at articles regarding Sony in comparison to 360's and Nintendo here. Both articles and commenters show obvious bias.
Look at the articles calling the 3DS a failure of a system when it launched, there were pages and pages of it, I have seen maybe 2 articles about the Vita and how pitiful its launch was. (One was the Chinese ripoff article form a few days ago and I don't recall any others but I hope there was at least one)
Im still waiting for .Hack to come true.
yea... it's just sad seeing even the author of the console related articles here being nothing but a little fanboy...
People are forgetting the new class, the Smartphones and Ipads users...
What about them? Can we agree they are gamers wanna be?
sadly they're slowly "becoming" gamers... hell most people are already saying they are the next "breed" of gamer, the "casual quick game" crowd.
Sux if they overtake because then the big 3 will think "OMG we gotta step up and deliver little trinkets like they do and score big on cards you can buy at the grocery store for MAX PROFITS!"
I only have a PS3and a Vita So I can only comment on the PS minis that the store is populated with. TO me this right there seemed like an attempt at winning over the "computer casual gamer" and the "smartphone/ipad/iphone" crowd.
They're getting bigger people... whether we like it or not :/
I think your "Sony =" is actually part of the 360 crowd. So more like:
Sony Consumer= people who play the widest variety of games.
360 Consumer= 8 year olds who think playing M-rated FPS's and swearing like a sailor makes them mature.
PC Consumer= those with an elitist mindset who think just because PC can be upgraded their automatically the best, i.e.= assholes.
Its when people who want only graphics and don't give a shit about the game that it becomes problematic. Case in point, people who like FF13.
Why is someone who doesn't want to cope with inferior graphics an asshole?
Even if most games nowadays are console-centric and don't make use of the whole range of firepower PC GPUs offer, just being able to play at full screen resolution is a big plus. Not to mention sophisticated anti-aliasing techniques.
On the other hand, who needs insanely detailed graphics if the games are crap? Max Payne 1 was a lot more fun than 3.
Sony fanboys don't even really play Sony's First party stuff. SCEJ gets no love.
oh please, stop pretending sony fanboy are more sophisticated. they're both retards and it's about time you stop living in denial, retard.
All fanboys are retarded. Every gaming option has its own advantages and drawbacks.
PC: are for tech elites, consoles are designed for kids who cant handle pc properly
All of the fanboys are retarded.
I just want to play good games, playing Bushido Blade right now and I honestly don't care about the graphics because the game is so fun.
Your an asshole riiku
PS3 rules, 360 suck ass, if you reply to this, you're a retard
"PC Consumer= Laughs at anyone arguing about graphics, power and specs"
Never mind that these PC consumers are the ones who start most of the arguments. If they "laugh" at console owners, why do they feel the need to say how their PC is superior to any console on every damn console-related PC-unrelated thread/post?
Trolling is fun and easy when it is about videogames.
so over compensating for lack of phallic extension?
nah, Its more about what games are on what system and what quality. in the end it doesn't matter what platform we play in we are all gamers, well except iOS.
It's called insecurity and the PC gaming pool is getting less and less releases because of pirating and a smaller fanbase. I have a computer that can run Witcher 2 on Ultra settings but I pretty much only play games on my 360 because I have more games for that I want to play.
Isn't it true that most people who buy consoles are too stupid to upgrade or build a PC anyway? Hmmmmm.....
Two words - small penises.
He's really just under estimating the skills of console developers, has he not played an Uncharted game or seen what the Last of Us looks like...His predictions are awful and he's sadly mistaken if he thinks developers won't adapt to future upgraded console specs.(I'm the Anon that made the mother joke, and I stick by it, sry Nintendo fans :D)
"And also, if they beef up the processing power, that simply means much more work for software developers to take advantage of those spec numbers"
Clearly the CEO is not a developer or have any idea of development or computers. More processing power actually means less work for the software developers. They worry less about optimizing the code and scaling things down to make it run at a minimum acceptable level and focus more on the design and gameplay.
They stop worrying about things like "Oh shit, I only got 512MB of RAM! I got to find a way to work around that..." and "Can't run the game at 720p with 30 fps... let's scale the resolution down to 576p and stretch the image...".
Yeahhhhhh because game development sure has been getting cheaper as processing power increased over the years, right?
Oh wait. Game development is so incredibly expensive now that if a game sells less than 2 million copies, the dev team gets fired.
you are a moron. The CEO is the man who created MANY nintendo franchises and was a developer for 20 years.
Or the entire company get bankrupted like the case of Kingdom of almur!
I almost thought you were gonna say Kingdom Hearts XD
I would've celebrated if this were true since 2 was their last great game in the sewries... tired of all this spin-off side story crap.
They need to make 3 already, end the "Xehanort Saga" (yes... that's what they're calling it people... meaning a NEW Story is coming after part 3 EVENTUALLY releases in the future... I know.. im groaning in disgust too..) and close the dopor on a series that should've ended years ago.
Sux that when a game fails but the small hardcore fans that were into it never get any closure, but when a game succeeds you gotta pull out all the stops, use every trope and idiom in the book and cater to the "hardcore crowd" (not always a good thing, case in point, COD, the games are getting blah now...) and end up ruining what was one a great series and turning it into shit.
Take The recent Batman trilogy for example, Nolan is smart ending it at 3, because,
"You either die an epic trilogy, or you live long enough to become 'Batman and Robin'"
You need to STFU. If you knew the definition of a fucking spin-off you would know only Days and Coded fit that description, and even they had relevance. You don't want more of a franchise and you want the economy to plummet because your 'pure' ideology is such a good idea (oh bitch whine, why are they making so many games im so fucking entitled)? Well guess what until you start making globally popular games and until me or anybody on this site starts throwing money at you, your opinion on what is needed in a successful video game series is unneeded.
It doesn't mean less work for the developers. (Unless your view is that of an indie developer.) What it does mean is that the company that produces a game at a certain level of quality can hire people who're capable of less demanding thought -- the power of modern semiconductors will soak up a short bubblesort, for instance.
That is to say, it enables shovelware.
Also if you have more a powerful console you hire people to do more detailed work. That's what he meant. You have all of this power and now you need to use it, no more covering up crappy textures with anti-aliasing and no more invisible walls blocking my sneak attack arrows when i hide behind a goddamn fence in Skyrim.
Wii going to slowly lose unless they adapt
Anonymous 16:46 15/06/2012: You just perfectly described bad programming. ;)
"LOL let's forget about the available ressources the machine can do it anyways" is exactly what non-professional work leading to messed up code is.
that is a terrible and lazy line of thought. Regardless, no matter how much power a console has, a developer will always optimise their codes further into development. Having said that, the WiiU hasnt even launched yet so its graphical capabilities are still very new. It's more than likely it will look even better 5 years down the line.
The extent of optimizing code is a cost vs time balance. RAM, processing power, and storage space is much more abundant and cheaper nowadays. There is really no point in micro-optimizing code because of restrictive hardware when the cost in doing that can be better spent elsewhere.
Your thought process is why most modern PC Applications are all poorly-optimized, bloatware crap that run worse on the highest-spec computers than apps that do the exact thing did back on old Windows 98 PCs.
I think he's making the INCORRECT assumption that "beef(ing) up the processing power" == "creating an entirely new architecture, which the programmers will have to learn from scratch".
I think Nintendo just called everyone an idiot.
Well have fun with your console Nintendo as I will not be.
I'll wait patiently for the next-gen Xbox and PS.
And I'll stick with my PS2.
nah, my nintendo 64 still the best.
nah, mi atari is still the best.
Nah, my board game is still the best.
nah, my lolis are still the best.
Anyone here play on jaguar?
nah, my pet rocks are still the best
I only need my "JoyStick"
nah, my "fapping" console is still the best
hah PC gaming FTW!
We are the PC Gaming Master Race.
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Have "fun" with your consoles, peasant.
Well you too, fucker nintenfag
Have "fun" messing around with your half-baked pile of glitches you call a PC to get it to run any games without problems, basement geek. ;)
>half-baked pile of glitches
>run any games without problems
>implying PC gaming is difficult to troubleshoot
>laughingSiliconValleysluts.jpg
All heil tetris brick game!
19:53 & 21:30
If you don't have issues, then you're lucky. Anyone who tries to deny that on the average system, PC games always come with a ton of bullshit, is a deluded idiot. There are always issues, big and small, tiny things in game that you can never fix because it's simply an error in an engine which tries to cope with all the countless different PC varieties out there.
And for those issues that are fixable: just because you absolutely love tooling around with a broken game you've been sold, doesn't mean anyone else does, no matter whether or not it's easy, you fucking basement geek.
I don't care if fixing shit on products you bought makes you feel elite, I prefer something that just works. I come home to relax, not to work QA for free like you.
Half-baked pile of glitches? I haven't really encountered that many glitches to make a "half-baked pile" out of them.
We don't have a basement here, and the PCs are on the second floor (except for one in the living room).