Wii U Graphics “Worse Than PS3 After All”

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Efforts to compare the power of Nintendo’s upcoming Wii U to the practically obsolete PS3 and Xbox 360 have finally yielded results – and those hoping for the Wii U to at least beat – if not exceed – the capabilities of the lowly PS3 have been gravely disappointed.

Comparison of the Wii U edition of Batman: Arkham City and the various existing versions has given some insight into the system’s hardware capabilities – although the situation is complicated by the fact the Wii U version is not a straight port but rather an adapted and partially upgraded version.

Some of the initial comparisons were none too promising:

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However, some experts are inclined to be more charitable in their conclusions (although they concede they are not even sure if the caps are actually rendered in real time), suggesting it may only be worse in some areas:

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The scene is dramatically transformed but where there are some new additions, we also see cutbacks too.

Long-range draw distance appears to be pared back noticeably, while in the mid-distance we see missing buildings, and the introduction of minor new scenery like additional water towers. Curiously, thin geometry seems to be entirely absent in places for some reason.

We won’t draw definitive conclusions until we’re hands-on with actual code but it does seem to suggest that elements have been added and removed to better suit the capabilities of the hardware.

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Reports continue to emerge from sources suggesting that Wii U is significantly more powerful than the current batch of titles may lead us to believe – the obvious inference being that these games have been created on incomplete hardware, perhaps with development tools that are still evolving, by studios unfamiliar with the hardware.

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However, to survive the upcoming transition from the current HD consoles to their enormously improved successors, Wii U needs enough grunt to at least part-way bridge the generational gap – and there was scant evidence at E3 that the raw power required to do this was on tap.

Although graphical prowess is hardly likely to be a major concern to Nintendo, that even now it can barely compete with the current generation is hardly reassuring when a new generation of hardware is not far off.


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    Avatar of Joshi Chugakusei
    Comment by Joshi Chugakusei
    04:08 12/06/2012 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    In general, I like Nintendo's software, but for the past two generations, they've really failed on the hardware.

    It's not so much that the Wii U isn't powerful. It can output gameplay in 1080p, which is 2.25x the PS3 and Xbox 360 which is 99% 720p. It's that Nintendo sets such a low bar for graphics. Just look at Pikmin 3, for example. It looks okay, but it certainly doesn't look as good as it should, considering what the Wii U is capable of.

    More than just the graphics though. The fact that more than half of their first prty titles have to be played with what I call the SIDEWAYS controller really kills it. Why they can't just put analog sticks and four face buttons on the Wii Remote is beyond me (hell, even the PlayStation Move missed the chance to do this).

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    Comment by Joshi Chugakusei
    04:26 12/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.7)

    Most of my criticism only applies to their home consoles though. The Nintendo DS/3DS isn't that bad, especially because there are so many good games out for them.

    Besides, with video game development costs being so high these days, one corner or another has to be cut in order to make a good profit, whether it's appealing to white/american tastes and making everything the color brown, appealing to casual gamers, or putting your game on a portable so the cost of graphics development isn't as high. That's why my two favorite "consoles" last generation was probably the DS and the PSP...

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:18 12/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    just like you said, appealing to white/american tastes and making everything brown, gameplay that can be played by a 6-year old, or making the graphics about a generation behind.

    if i had to pick one, it would definitely be the last one.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:15 13/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    14:22
    PS3 is made by Sony which is a Japanese company. Just saying.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:52 14/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    @04:15
    if you actually read 14:22's comment you'd realize they were talking about games from 3rd party developer not the console.

    Comment by Anonymous

    The problem with Japanese development is that they aren't pushing the envelope. Look at the PS3, they're best, most innovative games are Little Big Planet and Heavy Rain. There are also solid games like the Uncharted Series, Infamous, etc.

    The 360 has a great library, too. Hell, Halo looks like a friggin' rainbow compared to most shooters.

    The Wii's problem is that they never supported their 3rd parties, and the system was never the target of hardcore gamers so anything that was a Nintendo mascot helmed game or a party game didn't do well. In turn, their library was poor outside of the Marios and Zeldas and Metroids. And what is Nintendo's problem with online? I read somewhere that one of the top guys said that they weren't going to focus on online gaming because they felt their consumers weren't interested in it. That was the time the Gamecube came out, I think.

    Western developers have shown that you can do great games while still pressing forward. Inafune was and still is right.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:57 13/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Also Unreal 4 Engine is supposed to streamline game development so costs of gaming development, along with easier engine interfaces to help speed up development (even custom engines by Kojima or SquareEnix) will improve immensely.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Ugh. The psp. I wish they had more original titles for it like YS seven and patapon. I never liked the fact that they kept releasing shoot-offs from major series's like god of war and remakes that didn't have that much substance like final fantasy tactics. I mean, the game was good at the time but they could have at least made the dialogue boxes nicer looking or somethinig instead of just adding 30 second cutscenes every chapter.

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    Comment by Enrico
    07:58 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    I see no problem in high-cost production if it's for making a better game.
    Masterpieces like Mass Effect saga,Metal Gear Solid 4,Uncharted saga,Read Dead Redemption,Skyrim,fe,would be impossible without an enourmous budget and they're probably the best games of this gen!
    To the contrary it's a shame when resources were wasted to make shitties like FF XIII,GT 5,Diablo III...

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:31 13/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    @ 20:23

    That was their projected costs. The real cost was $38,244,854.39

    Yes they needed a AAA budget to make a AAA game.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:23 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    gears of war 1, 10 million budget

    i remember that because it was a bragging point that a AAA game doesn't need a AAA budget.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:59 12/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.5)

    Actually, 99% are 720p and LOWER. A lot of games don't even run in 720p.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:31 12/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    most games actually, granted its not far off from 720p, but if its not a system exclusive, or modern warfare, or a raceing game, its probably between 550p and 720p, really its where ever the game stays mostly over 30fps (60 in fast paced games)

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:52 12/06/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Modern Warfare runs at 480p naturally, in order to maintain framerate. There is just excellent post-processed upscaling to make it seem higher res.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:28 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    just looked them up, it was 600p for mw2, and because of a question, i believe 600p for mw1 too, possibly higher resolution for mw3, but im not sure cant fine a reliable number.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:15 12/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.5)

    it's actually pretty funny how so many people don't know that 99% of the time, the ps3 and xbox 360 don't output in 1080p. and even funnier, most of the people who think they do have their ps3/xbox 360 connected to their tv using composite cables...

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:03 12/06/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Not to mention that it's these people who don't even know what 1080p looks like that say dumb things like, "lol, it looks awesome on my TV. It's just your TV that sucks!" Sigh, dumb people...

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:27 13/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    lol. Reminds me when I first got my Xbox360 and it only came with the composite cables. I was confused as to why the default cable, which I assumed would provide full potential of the console, provided crappy quality. I eventually took a spare HDMI cable I had lying around and replaced it with the default ones. I still wonder why they couldn't have provided one in the package though. (I bought the 4GB model with Kinect. Also had to buy separate cables to connect my Kinect to PC for other use)

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:10 12/06/2012 # ! Drivel (-0.7)

    *looks around* I don't see anyone saying anything like that.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:22 12/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.5)

    LOL this is so true. Reminds me of the statistic that 60% of HDTV owners don't even own any HD content to view...

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:21 15/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Practically all televisions sold in recent years are HD, so it's not so much that people are getting convinced by marketing to get an HDTV, but that it's pretty much all you can buy. The materials and production costs to build a television with HD resolution are only marginally higher than for SD resolution, so it doesn't really make sense to sell SD sets anymore. Televisions typically last for many years, so just because someone isn't initially using one to view HD content doesn't mean they won't want to a year or two down the line.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:22 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    It just shows how many people are tools being used by big businesses and their marketing/advertisment department.

    Comment by Anonymous

    @04:15 - Actually 100% of the time both the 360/PS3 do not natively output 1080P. The internal framebuffer for both the 360/PS3 are 720P and the hardware scalers upscale the games from there.

    So no matter what you will never see a title on the 360/PS3 that is natively in 1080P as it's physically impossible for the hardware. As the framebuffers are set at 720P and then the hardware scalers scale up from there.

    Xenos is the hardware scaler for the 360 and Pure Video scaler is the hardware scaler for the PS3.

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    Comment by jr2nd
    09:09 14/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    and you know all about 360/Ps3 hardware? i dont think so chap... besides disgaea 4 is 1080p yes it does 720p as well but it can do 1080p if you've played the game you'd know this so its not 100%

    Comment by Anonymous

    Somebody actually knows what he's talking about.

    Gets voted down.

    Never change Sankcom.

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    Comment by Conduit

    I don't know about the Xbox(don't have one) but the PS3 can be misleading for the ill-informed. When connected by HDMI the PS3 upscales everything to 1080p. So someone simply looking at the video source will think the PS3 graphics are 1080p.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:59 12/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    @05:54

    XD

    -anon

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:54 12/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    True. It's kind of like how the bible can be misleading for ill-informed christians. When one reads the bible, nowhere in it does it say that everything in the bible is fiction. So someone simply reading the bible without knowing that the story of jesus is an adaption of Horus will think that jesus is real.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:24 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    the bible is just the game manual anyway, no one reads those, and when someone asks a legit question all they get back is "go read the manual." by someone else who hasnt read it, so I just google for cheat codes, I just havent figured how to use them yet.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Actually the story of Jesus isn't an adaption of Horus. I have been hearing that argument for a long time, but it is untrue. Jesus was compared to Horus by a poet from Europe, but his information was false/based on rumors of Horus. A lot of the "connections to Jesus" that Horus has in his "myths" never appeared in actual Egyptian history. However Jesus is an adaption to the cult god Mythra. He was a Persian god that had many similarities with Jesus. He would die and rise on the 3rd day of Dec. 25 (this is because of how the sun changes degrees as it passes the constellation Scorpio), he was a savior god for the people, and they drank of the blood and body with wine and bread. The Mythra cult was destroyed by the Christian religions because they accused the Mythra cult of copying the Christian religion. So they decided to wipe out the cult and build churches on top of most of their temples. The funny thing was that Mythra's stories and traditions pre-existed Christianity by over 1,000 years.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Here we are talking about the WiiU's performance against other consoles, and suddenly, someone has to begin discuss religion.

    SAVE IT FOR SOME OTHER THREAD, PLEASE!!

    Comment by Anonymous

    Everything just goes to religion I see.

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    Comment by カンチ

    Regardless of my agreeing with both of your comments...you had an agenda before you even started typing.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:58 12/06/2012 # ! Drivel (-0.8)

    actually most of ps3 games run on 1080p

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:29 13/06/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    @14:58 - Actually no PS3 games do not run at 1080P. They are UPSCALED to 1080P you dumbass. Again the native internal resolution of both the 360 and PS3 are 720P. The INTERNAL. After that the hardware scalers upscale to the desired resolution that your monitor/TV is set at.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:05 12/06/2012 # ! Drivel (-0.8)

    aye true plus the drastically low specs for consoles like ps3 and 360- my laptop has 2GB of memory whilst both 360 and ps3 only have 512 - Gears of War didnt even work on the 360 until Microsoft spent billions on pushing the ram up to 512 from 256

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:38 12/06/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    while the ps3 and xbox 360 certainly aren't strong, if you seriously think that your pathetic 2 GB of PC memory is equal to 512 or even 256 MB of video game console memory, then you truly are a pure idiot.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:41 13/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    he doesn't like you very much because of so much butthurt.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:06 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lol...judging the performance only on RAM.

    Besides PC's RAM isn't exactly the same as video game console's RAM. They differ in architecture & work. Video game consoles RAM
    is much like the GPU's RAM.

    RAM's(or VRAM) size especially on video cards/GPUs mostly dictates the video resolution range. Since most video consoles run only on 720p, the size of their RAM doesn't really matters much compared to its RAM's speed, latency & it's GPU processing power/speed(number of core/shader processor)

    Sorry if my english is bad. It's not my native language.

    Comment by Anonymous

    How about if I have 12gb of memory. How do you like me now?

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    Comment by Erranty
    12:49 12/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    When I was a kid, Nintendo wasn't about high performance hardware, it was about fun gameplay.

    Lately they've focused too much on gimmicks, like the Wii motion control that barely works. And now the Wii U that's basically a 1 screen Nintendo DS.

    They made the DS, the DSLite, and the DSi ins such a short time frame and there were barely any differences, not the 3DS is using another gimmick and it has exclusive games that don't work on the other systems.

    They need to shift focus back to the thing that made them the superpower they are now, good gameplay.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Nintendo needs to also innovate in their games. I wonder if we'll ever see a new franchise character not tied to all the previous ones (Mario, Link, Metroid.... Mario...).

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    Comment by Erranty
    18:08 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (-0.3)

    Zelda games wouldn't be so bad if they brought them back to their roots and added a few new things.

    Mario's 3D stuff has been lackluster since Mario 64, but Paper Mario seems to be doing well. I just with they'd stop it with all this story telling crap. "Go save the princess. Oops, she's in another castle." That's all the story we need.

    Metroid was best in 2D, I don't mind if they use 3D models to update the graphics though, that'd be pretty sweet. Like when they put Megaman X on the PSP.

    Kirby's getting more Kid oriented with each installment...

    Pokemon... Well this latest batch just looks like a bunch of plush toys... Its pathetic.

    Starfox is a dead series.

    They could do something new with Donkey Kong since he hasn't had much lately.

    People have been waiting for a DS port of Smash bros for a while. I bet they'd even like it if it was 2D so they could include Paper Mario.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:41 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.3)

    I think you missed the point completely.

    You said the Wii U can output gameplay in 1080p, but that's not the forced native resolution, it just has the ABILITY to do so. It's the same in the PS3's case, it also has the ABILITY to output gameplay in 1080p, but most developers code their games to run at a max of 720p for one of two reasons:

    1. When developing multiconsole HD games (360/ps3), you want to use the lowest common denominator. No point in developing it in 1080p if it will only run well on the ps3 but not the 360.

    2. The jump from 720p to 1080p in a game requires a noticeable increase in processing power. So even though the PS3 and Wii U have the ABILITY to output in 1080p, graphic intensive games will likely suffer a blow in performance if they're rendered in 1080p rather than 720p.

    So unless the Wii U outpowers the ps3 significantly, I would expect developers to continue doing what they have been doing and develop graphic intensive games in 720p for smoother performance.

    Comment by Anonymous

    the WII U may have 3GB of memory which will drastically improve its processing power.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:16 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Big memory size doesn't mean drastic improvement on processing power/speed. A drastic improvement on processing power/speed in a real 1080p platform requires large number of core/shader processor with a large memory (vRAM) size.

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    Comment by Enrico
    07:26 12/06/2012 # ! Drivel (-0.9)

    I know that you're a fanboy,but multiplatform games are made first on 360 and they usually run better on it(Bayonetta,Skyrim,Batman 1&2,Mass Effect 3,Red Dead Redemption,Dead Space 1&2,Resident Evil 5,GTA IV,all the Assassin's Creed etc...Only to make some "minor" examples)but it's true that only a few games are natively 1080p on this generation.
    Instead Nintendo declares that Wii U will support all the multi at 1080p and 60 fps,Although i little doubt it...

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:34 13/06/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    "If you don´t believe me read the back of their boxes"

    LOL

    "Finally someone with a bit of knowledge!Anonimous 17:06"

    LOLOLOL

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:06 12/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.7)

    @08:04

    Exactly. It's not like the graphics matter anyways, since most Japanese video game developers aren't even close to using even the PS3/Xbox 360's full graphical power.

    Fanboys like Enrico really make my eyes roll though.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:33 12/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    I sold my glorified heater (xbox) after it erased its hard drive for no particular reason, then used the money to buy a ps3, I didnt have an hdtv until I bought my ps3, so to me the ps3 graphics will always be the best lol. I will say though, that I trust microsoft a lot better than sony, customer wise. Apearantly the guy I sold my xbox to somehow got the hdd to go back before I reformatted and erased my information for the sale, and got my CC info, microsoft quickly blocked my old account and then had the guy arrested, so I am a microsoft fan boy with only a ps3.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:04 12/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    i'll be the first to say that the xbox 360, at least for the first half of this generation, had the best Japanese games, as well as the best multiplatform american games if you're into that stuff.

    the xbox 360 is weaker, everybody knows this, i think the only fanboy here is you, "Enrico".

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    Comment by Firetribe
    14:27 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    So basically what your saying is that the PS3 has not been able max it's full potential, because less of powerful consoles.

    It makes perfect sense since most Xbox 360 developed on the 360 look okay, while the PS3 version looks pretty degraded.
    Maybe the WiiU will open us up for true HD gaming.

    Also I read somewhere it's depends on your monitor. Most TVs nowadays likely 720p at max or minimum so that may be a factor too.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Hey Enrico you clearly missed your English classes. Its not learn before you speak, its think before you speak.

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    Comment by Enrico
    11:48 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    No you people are a bunch of idiots,if you are more informed instead of riduculize someone that plays VG when you are not still born maybe you should have to known that due to similar architecture,use of directX(instead the OpenGl like PS3)and obviously a lot of more introits the major part of game companies start programming first on 360 and then on PC and PS3.That's the reason because multi games beta showed are always xbox ones.
    And stop this fable that PS3 is stronger and 360 is weaker.Both systems have their flaws and their points of strenght if you read technical(not fanboy like this one)board about hardware specifics you'll discover that PS3 has more raw power but less dedicated one to games due to the Op Sys and management of BD,360 instead has less clock power but a graphic chip for AA,VSync and Motion Blur and more processing dedicated to games!
    My first lesson of life was learn before speak!!!

    Comment by Anonymous

    i'll be the first to say that the xbox 360, at least for the first half of this generation, had the best Japanese games, as well as the best multiplatform american games if you're into that stuff.

    the xbox 360 is weaker, everybody knows this. i think the only fanboy here is you, "Enrico".

    Comment by Anonymous

    To me, the only system that matters is the one that all your friends have.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:05 12/06/2012 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    Finally someone with a bit of knowledge!Anonimous 17:06 you're a specie in verge of extinction around the web!Sadly very few people(specially in sankaku)will understand your post and admit their atroucious ignorance and fanboism...

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:06 12/06/2012 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    I have tried both (x360, ps3) on the same HDTV with the same games on both consoles and x360 reaches to 1080p in all, most remain at 720p in ps3 and no way to increase it to 1080p.
    If you don´t believe me read the back of their boxes of games where the specifications of those who made the game and you can see that most PS3 games up to 720p, and most of x360 up to 1080p.
    like it or not this is in truth,

    1) your blue-ray is not the big deal involves many things (like reading ability) for most space. Example: Call of Duty Black Ops ps3 17gb x360 7gb and quality is the same

    2) the processor of the ps3 isn´t more powerful than x360

    PS3 On May 17, 2005, Sony Computer Entertainment confirmed some of the specifications of the Cell processor would be included within the forthcoming PlayStation 3 console. Cell in this configuration would include an element processing power (PEP) in the core, along with 8 units synergistic process (SPEs) in the silicon wafer. In the PlayStation 3, one of the SPEss crashes during the testing process, a practice that helps improve manufacturing efficiency, and another is reserved for the operating system, thereby leaving 6 free SPEs to run code of the games. The clock speed target for its launch are 3.2 GHz

    X360 processor is based on the internal architecture PPC (PowerPC), with 3 symmetrical cores process. These nuclei are a modified design of the PPE of the CBE (Cell Broadband Engine) Console Sony Playstation 3 also designed by IBM. Each core has two symmetric process threads hardware, providing a total of 6 threads total process gaming hardware.
    3 cores symmetrical two-wire process of hardware to process a clock speed of 3.2 GHz
    a coprocessor VMX128 vector for each core.
    1 MB L2 cache
    1 MB L2 cache (for use by the GPU) running at half the CPU clock (1.6 GHz). bus bandwidth of 64 bits.
    12.8 Gb per second of bandwidth to the cache.
    5.4 Gb per second PHY.

    both consoles are good but none better than the other.

    wii u for casual gamers

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:08 12/06/2012 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    lol are you an idiot? Made for the 360 first? No they are made for 360 and ps3 around the same it flows in the pipeline of production not 360 version first then ps3. Thats just incorrect.
    All games are made on the PC dont forget that because its many times more powerful then the consoles and looks so much better on PCs consoles are utterly weak- may laptop has 2GB of memory and is four years old and more powerful then a ps3 and 360.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:44 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    The Wiimote is my biggest pet peeve with the system. It works great for some things, but not every game is well suited to it. First party titles are good like you said, but many 3rd party developers either aren't used to it or don't care, so otherwise good games feel half-assed because they're just replacing button pushes with swings, whether it works well or not.

    I'm hoping the Wii U will fix this with the classic controller lookalike they've been showing with it, so developers don't feel like they're forced to use the Wiimote when it's not the best choice.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:35 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    ROBO BATMAN agrees.ROBO BATMAN can only thank Nintendo for giving him a body that rivals that of Supermans.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:43 28/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I saw the trailer its called Special armored edition its an outfit for batman exclusive to Wii U.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:55 13/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    If you knew anything about porting you'd know Batman is bound to look the way it does. Also with the "What the Wii U is capable of" crap; look at a xbox 360 game when it first released, the psTWO beat that crap with what was being put out then, now look how good everything looks. The look of a game is entirely up to the DEVELOPER and has nothing to do with the console specs. Nintendo devs like cartoony graphics so they stick with them because that is what works for them. If you had a dev work on a hi-def game from scratch programed FOR the Wii U it would look at the least 2-3 times better than PS3 or 460 games out today. People need to know how the process evolves when it comes to the look and quality of video games (really look at 360's Kameo or even Oblivion games and tell me those weren't crappy compared to Skyrim today). Nintendo theoretically will be able to handle Unreal engine 4 as well, if devs are willing to tweak the code just like everyone else has been doing for this generation.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:49 13/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Why on earth would they do comparisons this early to begin with? The hardware has JUST been finalized and it's now getting into the hands of developers or has been for the last year or so. It's gonna take quite awhile before the developers get used to the new system and start learning how to take full advantage of it.

    I mean seriously, how long did it take for PS3 developers to get the hang of it? Launch titles will of course be underwhelming even if they are already multiplatform. A year or two down the line and the Wii U will start showing what it's truly capable of. How/Why? Because developers will have learned some nice tricks to gain the extra performance they need to amp up the graphics, etc.

    So these comparisons really mean nothing. Ya I guarantee the Wii U won't be better then the PS3/360 but I guarantee the graphics will improve as developers get used too it.

    Comment by Anonymous

    "Why they can't just put analog sticks and four face buttons on the Wii Remote is beyond me"

    I get the feeling you don't understand the Nintendo philosophy with that statement.

    (Cue butt hurt down votes from angry nerds)

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:58 12/06/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    no offense, but when you're so afraid of being voted down that you have to preempt it, it makes you look really insecure and pathetic.

    Comment by Anonymous

    They took risks on hardware with the 64 and Gamecube. And they were both the least popular of their generations. Think about it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:26 12/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Remember, Nintendo was supposed to make a disc system with Sony back in the day but chickened out last minute.

    So Sony had this disc game system and decided to finish it on their own and Playstation was born.

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    Comment by Siveria

    Its simply because nintendo r&d is full of morons. The reason the Wii is not doing to hot and the fact it lacks games is because the devolopers hate programming games for the fucked up controller it uses. I don't get whats wrong with the x360 or ps3 controller, it works, and you don't feel like a moron flailing your arms around like a retard playing a game on those systems. I do wish X360 and ps3 would die though, sick of almost every damn pc game being a shoddy port 95% of the time. Computers today even mid end ones blow x360/ps3 out of the water, but because the devs have to dumb the games down for hardware thats been obsolete for years, the graphics haven't advanced. Then again gaming in general is going downhill, it seems the better graphics get the worse the gameplay gets.

    Look at diablo 3 for a prime example, grapics much better but gameplay took a nosedive to sub diablo 1 levels.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:46 12/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.7)

    ah, blizzard. the company i always see white nerds adoring (usually not the kind found on sankaku complex, but).

    can't say i've played diablo iii, but after all the "adoration" starcraft ii got, i gave it a try, but after getting to master league using nothing but zerglings and mutalisks, while everyone else using "advanced strategies" they learned from watching huskystarcraft was still stuck in the bronze league, i dropped that game real fast (you can watch a video of me playing with husky on his channel. i think it's called "rainbow phoenixes" or something like that).

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:52 12/06/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    @05:35

    naw, it's just what i've been saying ever since i got into master league in starcraft ii after playing for two hours a day for like...two weeks. i needed to come up with an explanation for how someone could possibly be so much of a loser to play for years only to "finally" make it into silver league. i'm sure there are just as many of these losers playing fighting games.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:59 12/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.7)

    "competitive" gaming and its gamers are really a joke. and i'm not just talking about blizzard either. anyone who's enough of a loser to consider himself a "competitive" gamer is probably the kind of person who "practices" at his game (LOL practicing at a video game) only to lose to someone who's never played the game before, because his opponent was using an "unfamiliar style".

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:19 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    lol, starcraft ii and competitive gaming are a joke.

    glad Japanese people are smart enough to avoid both of those.

    Comment by Anonymous

    @08:19

    That's sarcasm, right?

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:35 12/06/2012 # ! Drivel (-0.7)

    what would u say about all those guys that play fighters for hours on end in order to improve their skills? you clearly have never played competitive games before so shut the fuck up or is that the excuse the one you give every time you loose to someone else?

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:12 12/06/2012 # ! Drivel (-0.7)

    I sincerely doubt that you got into masters just by using one strat over and over and over again. Claiming that we can watch you play a game on Husky's channel is also BS because I can say I'm Idra or some other pro gamer but that sure as fuck doesn't make it true. Swing your epeen around a little harder and maybe it'll get bigger.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:39 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    the fact that you would even consider "pc gaming" an option tells me that you're white. a whole lot of good "great graphics" will do you, when all the graphics are used for is to render your white/bald protagonist even better for the umpteenth time.

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    Comment by Joshi Chugakusei
    05:21 12/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.7)

    haha, this is so true! there's a chart out there showing all the protagonists of video games from american publishers (EA, activision)...and they all looked the same! it was almost too funny.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:11 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    The fact that you would even bring race into this makes you a twat.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:53 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lol Angry Nerd Rage Mode.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:05 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    They make crap loads of profit selling the console. Don't think they care.

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    Comment by Kuro'Base'Neko

    Watch out. Sankaku have a lot consoler peasant. You'll get downvoted soon.. oh wait..

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:46 12/06/2012 # ! Drivel (-0.8)

    Pikmin 3 started development as a Wii game. Of course it's not going to look as nearly as good as it could have.

    Unless you expected them to scrap all assets and start from point zero because they decided to move it to the Wii U?








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