Eroge Industry to Foreigners: “Play Your Own Games!”
- Categories: Games, News
- Date: Jun 30, 2009 20:39 JST
- Tags: Censorship, Eroge, Feminism, Gaikokujin, Internet, Politics, Sites
The ill founded notion that by excluding foreign fans the Japanese eroge industry can somehow cut itself off from the world, and that in doing this their own industry and politicians will be somehow be discouraged from banning their works seems to be spreading; now we hear that two additional sites have joined eroge developer Minori in token displays of xenophobia.
Visual Antenna provides news on the visual novel scene, but is not involved in development, so it is not really clear what they hope to achieve with restricting non-Japanese access to their site, and their presumably facetious message to the handful of foreign barbarians visiting their site is even more puzzling:
PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
Not a message which would likely be well received by the likes of Nintendo and Sony, nor by all the Japanese fans of western games…
New studio Yuzu Soft, responsible for EXE and a handful of other titles over the past few years, can’t even be bothered with an attempt at wit, and just gives a terse 403 to those falling foul of its GeoIP database:
Forbidden
You don’t have permission to access / on this server.
Of course, proxies have to contend with far more tenacious efforts at blocking access than the misdirected anger of visual novel developers, so it seems likely the only success these efforts will have is in allowing the companies to feel they are doing something, even if they are too cowardly to oppose their own politicians.
Likely it will remain the Japanese language which is the greatest impediment to international access…
Since the majority of visual novels enjoyed by international “fans” are probably pirated (although this is probably true of Japanese fans too, if we consider the very small sales totals involved in the industry), it seems unlikely the actual overseas availability of visual novels will be much affected.
The notion that foreign fans constitute a pack of parasites who do nothing to support developers whilst gleefully pirating their works, and then brazenly complain about a ban which threatens to cut off their supply of ISOs, is one of the major bones of contention amongst the admittedly frequently xenophobic Japanese fanbase.
This is perhaps not without foundation, even if the efforts of the visual novel industry to reach international markets have been rather lacklustre.
It is however another example of selective observation, as the huge Japanese P2P networks where these illicit copies circulate seem to serve as the primary source for overseas P2P networks, and it is hardly the case that there are no Japanese users of international networks…
It should of course be remembered that most eroge makers have remained silent and accessible to international users, so it remains to be seen whether these unwholesome displays of craven scapegoating will spread, or if instead the status quo will gradually reassert itself. The voices of Japanese fans are however far less circumspect.
Once again, it seems all the Japanese otaku community can think to do is blame foreigners, even when it is their own politicians, media, and even industry which is happily trampling the rights of the minority.
Thank you, I will.
Japanese are just retarded
GTFO Fag.
Except for the fact he's right.
Stupid weeaboo.
you are the one who is a weeaboo
Here am I again.
http://www.ijapan.org/blue - Japanese Proxy.
Also, Japanese people will be reading this article. Let's prove we are more educated, enlightened and logical than them by avoiding offensive generalizations, like they did with us. It really won't help us and will just reinforce the "loud/offensive/barbarian foreigner stereotype".
American feminists are retarded, and Japanese developers jump on the bandwagon of retardness.
They don't care about us.
Equality Now is retarded. But you are even more retarded for not realizing that and ignorantly blaming all American feminists in an illogical fashion.
PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
For great justice (or great world peace?).
PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
PLEASE PLAY THE WORLD PEACE OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE GAME!:-)
IF THE WORLD PLAY YOUR COUNTRY YOU PLEASE PRAY FOR THE GAME OF PEACE!
IF THE WORLD PLAY YOUR COUNTRY YOU PLEASE PRAY FOR THE GAME OF PEACE!
PLEASE pay THE GAME OF our COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
if that help stop the banning in busty rape hentai, I support!!!!!!
PEACE PLAY THE COUNTRY OF YOUR PRAY IF YOU WORLD FOR THE GAME PLEASE
King of Hentai Gods, will you PLEASE shut up about busty girls?! WE WANT LOLIS.
copy -> paste.
there.
PLEASE PLAY THE WORLD OF YOUR GAME IF YOU PRAY FOR THE COUNTRY PEACE!:-)
HAHAHA OH WOW EDUCATED PEOPLE ON SANKAKU.
Seriously, I know there are Japanese who lurks these sites, but it's not like they're expecting you lemmings to be educated; there's really only been about 3-4 views on this issue and none of them in particular are educated or too complex to understand. This isn't really an issue that requires educated thought either. Stupid politicians pushing stupid ideas to promote their popularity at the cost of something that's not really liked by the public anyways isn't really a new trend, so deal with it. It sounds almost like you guys haven't lived in anywhere other than FREEDOMLAND or something.
Case in fact, just like always, at least they'll be able to relate to you guys, somehow. I've always said 3kaku has literally the same base of people as 2ch. There's really nothing you can do about it if you whine or discuss this on this site anyways.
PLEASE PRAY THE PEACE OF YOUR WORLD IF YOU PLAY FOR THE GAME COUNTRY!:-)
PLEASE PLAY THE COUNTRY OF YOUR GAME IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
PLEASE PLAY THE PEACE OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD GAME!:-)
PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
K.... Stupidity comes in all stripes and colors.
RAGE
I'll rage about the Japanese eroge makers burying their heads in the sand like fucking ostriches, and also rage about the collective Borg mentality of the anonymous while I'm at it. SOME members of anonymous are intelligent enough to see the writing on the wall, but the rest wash out those voices of reason with their mindless yammering.
/RAGE
it is all that white bitch fault and mainly the male are fucking slave
Barbarian such a Archaic word to insult foreigners. Calling us uncivilized more better if you feel I am not being unreasonable.
Sankaku Complexの外国人は日本の現状を全く知らないようだね。
イギリスから起きた騒動をアメリカの人権団体が発見し、、
日本政府に大きな圧力をかけた。弱小産業と外圧を測りにかけた自民党は、エロゲを規制することにした。
エロゲが規制させるタイミングで、カナダ国籍の中国人アグネ〇が登場
児童ポルノ改正を訴えた。
１８歳未満で裸の女性の写真所持しているだけで逮捕。
さらにアニメ、漫画でも性的表現は禁止。
この児童ポルノ改正案はアメリカの団体の援護を受けて、確実に可決される。
この時点で、日本国内のエロゲーメーカーは、確実に倒産です。
さらに加えられようとしている事項は、
１８歳未満の女性の写真、水着でも撮影したら逮捕、、
例え、自分の娘でも１８歳未満だったら、水着姿を撮影したら逮捕ですよ？
アニメや漫画でも１８歳未満の女性が水着を着ていたら発売禁止になる可能性も無いとは言えない。
これがアメリカ人が日本政府に強く望んだ要望であり、
日本のオタク産業は終わりに近づいている。
戦う前に最低限、日本の状況を把握して下さい。お願いします。
Sankaku Complex foreigners have no idea looks like the current situation in Japan.
American human rights group found a disturbance that occurred from the United Kingdom,,
The government put great pressure on Japan. Liberal Democratic Party spent in measuring the external pressure and small industries, and to regulate the EROGE.
The timing of the regulatory EROGE, Canada AGUNE Chinese nationals appeared Yes
Sued a revised child pornography.
18 are arrested in possession of nude photos of women in age.
More anime, manga is also prohibited sexual expression.
The bill is child pornography under the American umbrella organization, to ensure the bill is passed.
At this point, EROGEMEKA in Japan is certainly going bankrupt.
Matters and RAREYOU addition,
18 photographs of women under arrest After shooting a swimsuit, and
For example, even if his daughter under the age of 18, we arrested After shooting his swimsuit?
Anime and manga and even 18 could not be a ban on sales if a woman wearing a bathing suit is not the age.
And strongly requests the Japanese government wants the American people,
Japan's otaku industry is coming to an end.
Minimum fight before, please understand the situation in Japan. Thank you.
Again blaming what your own politicians are doing on the Americans. Get some money together and bribe them, it is not like feminism is big business.
Doesn't take much to cause a national crisis there.
It's all Equality Now's fault. See my name, bitches!!
It's not just their fault, though.
It's MOSTLY their fault
Equality Now isn't a bad idea, but it IS poorly executed.
Now, gimme back my loli!
Japanese politicians and game company officials are just as retarded as US femnazis.
Fixed.
Yes, because a handful of eroge makers represents the vast majority of the japanese society.
Racist fuck. It's because of people like you that stuff like that happens.
lol westerners are fuckin barbarians, you might as well get loud and yell cause thats all you can do. it was because of some loud annoying american womans rights group that this all started, so the only ones you can blame is yourselves. fuckin americans have to stick their noses into everyones business, of course people hate you. why would they want nasty loud americans on their sites when they are the ones getting all their games banned. their reasoning makes perfect sense. lol
i love hearing all of your dumb assed responses.
While I agree can you stop fucking lol-ing your sentences?
100% plus for ren-kun. I agree with you...
i not a fan of eroge, but i think the artwork of eroge are nice, hence its a sad thing that its only limited to japan alone.plus the phrase they place on their web might offended some people out there, u got a point on the sticking nose on to someone else business but not everything u said is correct.
ok we got it Americans are bitches, but you know there are not only Americans and Japanese in this world....
So why are other foreigner insulted aswell ?
it doesn´t seem to make much sense....
Agreed, Japanese now has becoming more arrogant with they mangas/animes/hentais/gundams ect.
They even made mmorpg site liked *err-hem* "Gungho.jp",by banning foreign country ip from register game account to play the online games.
Let alone some ero-industry to selfish to sell their games worldwide.
Then,how about Sony PS3,XboX360 and PC games stopped from selling in Japan,then? of course japanese will start a riot then. Serve you right then, japanese die with their animes only.
I prefer go to Korea rather than Japan. At least they have *BEST MMORPG than japan ever made and can REGISTER! to Play!!
"PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)"
100% agreed with above poster.Japanese go die with their hentai.
No More Bioshock 2 ,Assassin Creed 2,CoD for them cause they are foreign games NOT Japanese.
“PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)”
You are fucking retarded.
What would you feel if some Japanese rights group think CoD is too violent and get it banned in the US?
You would say "wtf? just don't release it in Japan and don't let them play it". Well that's exactly what they're doing.
You can fucking die with your violent bullshit.
The thing is: You're being retarded as much as them.
Some UK populist =/= the whole Western population.
EqualityNow =/= the whole Western population.
Also, EOCS SELF-IMPOSED that on themselves, and there has just been DISCUSSIONS between political parties about what to do. Nothing concrete, legally speaking.
In short: The Japanese are butthurt because they themselves choose to be weak and cowardly and cede to a small amount of international pressure highly dramatized by the mass Japanese media.... AND ARE BLAMING US NOW FOR THEIR OWN WEAKNESS. EOCS was weak and ceded. Japanese otaku are weak and prefer to blame filthy foreigners on 2ch rather than actually thinking logically, getting out of their homes and actually DOING SOMETHING.
That's the real story.
Artefact has often explained the story very well and you all are still not able to get it. Any idea why this is, Artefact?
The problem with your analogy is that in this instance, Equality Now IS the west. There is not one single western organization stepping up and saying "hang on, they're not representing all of us...you have the right to sell legal material" is there? The only thing worse than a feminist is a non-feminist who does nothing while feminists write policy.
EOCS is doing the standard routine for business reacting to complaints. If the EOCS had reason to think that not only their customer base but the Japanese public in general would back them in a fight over selling this stuff then they would fight. Obviously they don't think that, and rightly so....the Japanese public would abandon them.
There's 2 groups of people at fault here:
1. The Japanese public who have no problem with eroding freedom. How long until Nabokov's "Lolita" is removed from sale?
2. The Western public who have no problem with a group of hate-mongering feminists speaking as their representatives and making demands of Japan. We planted the seed of feminism...now we reap our rewards.
Thanks, men of my ancestry....for giving rights, the vote and jobs to a gender of people who on the whole are less capable at exercising them. Just imagine men what you'd do with the salary you have that would be double if there were no women in the workplace.
And girls...your ancestors had the right to do nothing from morning till night, they lived a complete life of leisure with only child-rearing to perform....but they felt this was slavery and threw it away so you could do that AND work a full time job. Ain't feminism great...the joke's on you!
I just hope that they don't turned into 2nd north korea..
Dumb ass Japanese. Oh well...when your major cultural achievement post WWII is sloppy English and animated porn why wouldn't you want to keep it to yourself?
Oh, burn.
Yes, burn.
But at the cost of ourselves as well.
Now we can't visit those websites. T_T
Does anyone know Osama's number? I wanna hire him nao.
Osama hates pron.
But he hates UNICEF a lot more.
I bet he'll lend a hand.
He may hate pr0n, but he loves teh loli.
Ahem.
Middle eastern men have a tendency to marry loli.
Hence, Osama might actually like loli porn.
Go figure.
his beard makes his lolis seem hairy..
This won't stop me from playing their games. >:D
Yes, but only if you PRAY FOR WORLD PEACE! :)
xD
I agree with this
do whatever it takes to avoid ban...
there's always the underground market.
everyone should cooperate, the non-japanese should be responsible of not leaking out the works to the feminazis...
I understand your sentiment but if they wouldn't sell their product on a broader market, that will make the gamemakers lose money and so, no more new games.
I doubt a lot of companies are making any profit even now.
my gods you guys seem to be just as influence able as the Japanese public. Yes of course there are pirates over there but they don't make up the most of the population that's why akiba is so successful also yes they make plenty of money if you remember there was a studio that made a custom paint job lamborghini gallardo itasha its even on this site if I remember now I don't think lamborghini just give away cars to paint anime girls on do you? btw I love how ever time I come on here there is the same negative ranting from the people who post these articles on this site they seem rather opinionated and unprofessional
They maybe doing profit in their own nation but I really doubt about their international market share.
Quite frankly, even before this whole story, it was difficult and pricy to get those games outside Japan. And I saw nobody writing stories, claiming they can't buy their stuff and how we should contact them to allow international orders, they would help themselves. No, if you just said "they don't accept international orders... how could we help them", the common answer "Who cares ?".
Well, anyway, they won't care about you. That's all. You're not representing enough money to be interesting and now they even got pressure if they try to do so.
So... Unless you give them a 100% win strategy that would allow them to make international orders without worrying about getting busted for illegal marketing in the near future, with current politics affair going on, just shut up.
You want them to protest against their politics and feminazis who are giving *no* arguments. So, tell me, how do you *argue*, how do you make a rational discussion with people who are as rational as 5 year old kids. "You are rapppiiiisst ! You are rappppiiiissstt !
- No, come on, see the rape rate of our country is one of the lowest, we try to protect women and we're against illegal actions. But these are only drawings...
- You are rapppiiiisst ! You are rappppist !
- ....".
Funny like sankaku's commenters hate 4chan and, at the same time, just follow a cyborg mentality. "Racists ! Racists ! Racists. We fucked your country and you're keeping your things ! You're so xenophobic !!!"
Flash news : Service and content devilering companies ban people from countries where they can't deliver anything without problems. Common sense.
Unless you stop beging hypocrit, study the problem and try to push your views like UNICEF or try to act directly or indirectly, with some japanese proxys (not web proxys...), every eroge maker will just sell their productions in their country.
"So, tell me, how do you *argue*, how do you make a rational discussion with people who are as rational as 5 year old kids. “You are rapppiiiisst ! You are rappppiiiissstt !"
Easy. You take a handgun and cap their asses.
peek-a-boo!
Here's a thought, the Japanese should only play their games.
NO MORE LITTLE BIG PLANET FOR YOU.
And nothing of value was lost :}
win comment.
Also no more bully and gta XD.
Joking around.
that would be good its not like anyone in north america apreciates japanese games anyways, its like taking a 5-year old to a five star resturaunt.
i think even japanese would appreciate western games more than american appreciate japanese games.
Hey I like anime styled games. Ever since some favorite games like shining force.
Anyway, it suck the way it is going, but I'm not going to rant about it. (Yes I'm an American) I've always been me the whole time, respecting people and their cultures. It's not like I would disrespect them like that. They do have their reasons, even if it sucks. At times unless people don't something about it that much, nothing's going to be done. It would suck for Japan not to make international release of their games because of the eroge ban situation.
To tell you guys, I can get real sick of playing some games from my country sometimes. That's why I want something a bit diffrent from other countries from time to time. Even though I like eroge genre, I'm not going to whine about it if they take it away. This just means that things need to be still worked out. It takes a lot of effort from everbody to make a miracle to lift the ban. Unless everybody gets into making that happen, especially foreigners, then nothings going to be done.
Japan certainly had a response that's kinda lame. Even if they said that we must play our games for "world peace." Things is, that barely changes anything because whether its something from Japan or America that has gore and blood violence and sex, it's still going to be for Adults regardless. Japan and America are already "dirty" due to the Adult games they make (even before anime and manga blew up and became part of pop culture to the US), so that kinda makes it somewhat pointless.
I know some people in Japan are doing nothing about the things they created. Anyway whatever going on, I hope these things can turn around someday.
HA HA HA DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCK
I doubt these actions would do anything to appease the femnazi's though, thus rendering it pointless after all...
The Japanese are particularly angry at the femnazis because they are the ORIGIN of this shitstorm. They know their politicians will do this shit and they KNOW they have little power to stop them since the majority of non-eroge population would not support their cause. All of you saying they're too cowardly to oppose their politicians have no idea how little effect their protest, especially for EROGES. Come on Artefact, even if the political-social system was just like America, nothing would be different except a bunch of eroge supporters outside politicians' offices protesting and making themselves wolf chow for the media and worsening the support for ther cause.
This is sad. I wish we could sort this out so we can all be friends again.
me too
This won’t stop me from playing their games too
we can unite and sent all feminist to hell together
READ THE ARTICLE.
The whole "oh noes foreigners (some underground sex-negative feminist group) are saying Japanese people are a bunch of perverted otaku lolicon serial-killers" was only a pretext to the same politicians whom have been trying to ban lolicon and censor anime, manga and games SINCE DECADES AGO.
this article is too biased to be readable...
i for one i'm at their side, if other countries complain about their products then why not banning their products to those countries? to me seems like a viable way to to solve it...
i wasn't complaining about the article...
even if it is fabricated he can post whatever he pleases...
i was simply replying to the other anon
No products were banned to other countries. The people that still want to buy Minori's games, can buy them on the same sites where they other visual novels.
asdfasdas... I meant to write "where they buy other visual novels."
apparently sure you can buy from the sites but will they (himeyasoft if not mistaken) be able to procure a copy from japan again shipments are the problem....
ur compleatly right but u missed the point in that politicians have been TRYING but did`t success
that´s some bad ass plan....
so, count me in ^^
This is fucking not fair.
Because of some Amerikkan femmenazis everyone else needs to suffer?
Just because I don't live in Japan, does it mean it's wrong for me love their games?
Because of some Amerikkan femmenazis everyone else needs to suffer?
have you ever purchased an eroge online? have you ever even visted their websites before this? have you? honestly this doesnt do anything because if you actually visted their sites you can visit 2ch and get the news there. then when you get the news there you can download with your torrent client like everyone else does.
well, you should tell that to your ex-gravure pig bitch
its perfectly fair, if you are ashamed of your country then leave. not that anyone would care if a nasty otaku moves away
IMO, their actions were pretty plausible. I'd do that if I were them too.
Was the OP: Although they could use smarter messages, though.
They could had just put, "GO TO HELL, GAIJIN SHITFAGS!" as their message and I would still be rooting for them.
Gaijin shitfags.
Rooting for what? For people that don't know how to act in a democracy and are waiting that someone will protest against their government in their place? Keep doing it and with some luck all kinds of visual novels will be banned.
lol Gaijin shitfags
hahahahaha. too funny
the OP: Leaving the message aside, you know what ManaYagami, IMO gaijin should protest to the organization who is the original source of the problem, and by banning from the site it'll be the incentive for foreign fans to do so. I doubt that would make them sell less products as most of the gaijin out there pirate their games anyway. IOW from the business standpoint if I were them, I will protect my business which what I deem fit and sacrifice a small market with low return.
"PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)"
That was funny.
So, no more TETRIS for the japanese.
Damn, Russians had to have invented Puyo Puyo were this tactic to be effective.
They should have re-worded it a bit...
"women should stay outta men's pleasures"
There are plenty of women who like this stuff, too. this ban wasn't just the feminists fault. Do you really think Japan would change it's laws at the whims of a small group of FOREIGN WOMEN?
Yes.
I doubt it.
someone just do a petition in wabanese, then we'll blindly sign it
tell 'em to put an english e-store, and I'm sure there'll be fags who'll buy eroge even if untranslated
I know because I do
Petition? Apart from major channels, I think FaceBook will be a large enough network. (Although I don't like it personally) Or let's flood youtube with eroge propaganda!!
So, has anybody post a facebook 'cause' for this?
What are YOU waiting for?
Forget about english eroge, amazaon japan doesn't even sell japanese language eroge outside japan. How on earth are people supposed to play eroge without ISO's when they can't legally buy the games?
http://www.erogeshop.com
eng.dlsite.com
It's America's fault. Wonder if Japan will be an enemy again...
WW 3 eh?
The Great Eroge War.
with Loli carpet bombing.
All the lolicons can be in the front lines~
Just let us know when/where the first bombing run begins. ^^
How about they make more games translated uncensored and more easier available to the world.
Becouse people have a hard time getting these games,is why they pirate so much.
Others are just ignorants.
how about they stop crying, and fight the power
if they ever had any chance to get us to buy them games, it's now...
Row Row Fight da Powa!!
Aha this probably means they should fight against their politics and banners.
ROW ROW FIGHT THE POWER
actualy im going to buy dynasty warriors 6 for pc.Becouse it seems like a cool game and it's translated.
I can see this game as a hot selling sucsess.
So when they say play your own games,they are pretty ignorant of the other sucesfull games that are being sold outside japan.
obviously, they were referring to eroge
I know but still they need to share more of their eroge games.The problem is our western society doesn't support it so much as japanese do.
Provide foreigners with a english version and VN will sell outside of japan. Damn, I even consider bying tsukhime after reading an online available translation, just because it is that awesome.
Let's all hope Tsukihime 2010 will be available in English. I'd buy that one, too. Helluva fine game it was.
So will there be anyone taking the challenge of making an English/other Lang. version of an EROGE?
Katawa Shoujo.
Any other than Katawa Shoujo?
We're STILL waiting on that one.
From all signs it'll be worth it though.
Ndeed, we are on this one... well worth the wait.
there are english vn companies
it just that they are not that hit in western market that's why only few is being translated
"Once again, it seems all the Japanese otaku community can think to do is blame foreigners, even when it is their own politicians, media, and even industry which is happily trampling the rights of the minority."
So this is how it feels to be a nigger in South Africa by the late 60s huh?
Can someone, please tell me what precisely is going on? I know the feminists triggered something, they made the stuff with gang rape etc illegal by law, but it's still vague, what else did they do?
Not by law... yet.
Basically, the feminists played into the hands of Japanese moralists and religious cultists, who now have the means to apply enormous pressure on the industry by saying "the rest of the world thinks you are immoral!". The real, actual ban (by law) is still in the making, however.
*Equality Now
wow.
This is amusing.
The eroge-mongers are much like a rollie-pollie bug that - up until now - has been plodding along quite happily in it's own little world; then at the first sign of confrontation it curls itself helpless into a little ball, all the while cursing vehemently at all-omnipotent foreign devils as the childish fingers of politicians tease it ever so slightly.
Except they aren't a rollie-pollie bug; I guess that just makes them pathetic.
Ha.
Amusing and sad.
feminazis = root of all evil
The "Japanese otaku community" are just angry over being labeled wannabe sex offenders. It doesn't sound scary enough, so it hurts their pride.
Nooooooo, now we stuck with games packed with muscle...
I agree.. :< I don't want to play games that influence you into steroids..
There's seriously no way i would want to play pr0n games with old hags on steroids.. >:(
While I half support them in their "GTFO foreigners" attitude (since the whole shitstorm started by a bunch of whale feminazis from the USA), I also think they should grow some balls as a nation and go protest or voice their concern over their own god damn governement trampling on their rights. Seriously, grow a spine.
I like the idea of protesting against their own government but this is protesting about Eroge. You will need more than some courage to protest about that.
It's that or they get unemployed. Which one is better? To have the courage to defend your work, possibly, the only work that they did on their entire life after they joined the company, or to get unemployed and to sleep on the streets?
Pseudo feminists messed up.
Ehh... Now, I don't even know who started this shit and who's blame for this.
Japanese are at fault, feminazi can't do shit to other coutries except for hating it and tell everyone else to hate it too, because it's weird,.. and, honestly, japanese is weird, but did everyone ever seem to care?
lol they also live from western licensing - defaming usa (and europe) will get you nothing exept lesser sales and a hell of a lot of pissed foreigners!
hope you don´t offended germany too, or we´ll have to overthink our traditional partnership..
>hope you don´t offended germany too, or we´ll have to overthink our traditional partnership..
Traditional partnership? Oh my..
Be careful now, we're dealing with the AKUSHISU PAWAAZU.
Roger that and fully aware of it, sir.
Judging by his wording, I'd say he is too.
This is awesome.
Sieg Zeon! Sieg Zeon! Sieg Zeon!
Italy confirming break of traditional partnership alongside Germany too, in case any of us is offended.
I think you just made this sub-discussion even more awesome. I am smiling at this, thank you.
Yeah, leave Lucchini to us germans. The japanese should just play their own games. ^_^
PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
PLEASE PRAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PLAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
PLEASE PAY THE GAY OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PLAY FOR THE WORD PIECE!:-)
It's nothing new really. Japanese love to blame most if not all of their problems on foreigners. It's quite sad really. If you're proficient enough with the Japanese language, try reading comments left in Yahoo JAPAN's news sections.
SPOILER: It's very damn disturbing.
I lost it.
"gaijins are responsible for the ero-prohibition and our small penises" sure we are retarded jp-fags!
Where in you ass did you pull that shit out of, Hitler?
What does it say. Tell me !
Someone has been unloading trucks full of FAIL in Japan during the last months. So, once again they prefer to accuse the community that still has some people that actually buy their games and/or merchandising and who aren't related in any way to the manner how Equality Now discovered about such games as RapeLay.
If they got the time to be racist on this moment, then they should spend that time wisely by raising their asses from their chairs and sofas and, by manifesting themselves against the measures taken by their government and the visual novel industry. I wonder if their country was invaded by some other nation, if they would do the same thing and hope that the armies from other countries would defend Japan, since they aren't to be bothered with something as trivial as defending their own rights.
it's common knowledge that japan has been pussified. it's not the same batshit badass japan that would kill your children and rape your women.
Like the Germans.
I think we need a return to that.
We want a Germanippon Empire!
H for everybody! Free lolis!
Down with USA, Russia and China!
LOL
lol. def not, in some ways, if Japan had stronger lobbyists for the industry like the US, this problem would of never happened.
PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
I don't pray for world peace... so where the fuck are the Earth Defender Freshmen??? Pink Fresh is quite cute.
M.
"The Crap Breaks Me Hard"
Next title of a book... that'll sell better than da vinci...
This is just a fuck! Now foreign otakus can't play eroge! Those who banned eroge will just have to go...
You can still download torrents or buy eroge like before, you only can't access some companies' homepages which don't have anything related to selling the games to people on other countries besides Japan.
ok.. then so be it! hmph! >:(
OMG this is just like in Vexille. Next thing you know, eroge companies are gonna emit an energy field around their offices that make them invisible to satellites and radar XD
in case of doubt always blame the foreigner
wait this sounds familiar...
YuzuSoft!! Nooooo... Well at least I'm enjoying their Tenshin Ranman now.
as am i. sigh.....
american and europeans sux!!!big time!!!ur more fetish than the japanese!asian rules >.<..bt now im suffering coz no more japanese ero games,manga and anime T.T
PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
Stupid japs. Although I'll have to agree partially with the ban. Cuz rape and loli hentai, not to mention the other disturbing sub genres, aren't really my cup of tea.
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean you can forbid other people from enjoying it, as long as they don't harm anyone.
Thoughts / fantasies aren't crimes people.
Wait whut? You agreed to the ban yet you're angry that Japan finally stops you from playing their games?
It's called "double standards" (AKA hypocrisy). There are a lot of people who support banning rape games and then turn a blind eye to games like GTA.
Make it clear what your fucking stance is.
*Spits out coffee while reading the article*
pffffffHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! World peace ??!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
OK, Calm down
Shouldn't the government be to blame instead of us white devils?
Do you mean that we are RX-78-2 Gundams?
Japan against ZA WARUDO! Who wanna to bet on?
I just hope these Japaneses remember this when FF whatever comes out. Seriously, are they not learning that the only real way to from past mistakes? Hell, doesn't this seem just slightly similar to pre-ww II Japan? By the time the ero game industries re-enter the world trade, they are gonna be sooo far behind the technological curve, cause lord knows the Japanese will buy anything that their own companies churn out, regardless of quality.
They did the same thing for the car industry a couple decades before. Japan asks America if they can export Japanese cars to America and they agree. But when America asked Japan if they could export American cars to Japan... Japan just said "Sorry we already have a car industry"
Fucking Japs.
You are speaking non-sense. Only Japan has eroge. And as far as I can see it, no other country will develop eroge.
China. South Korea.
...I guess growing some balls is out of the question. Collectivist cultures...
Oh & F|_|CK you too, Japan!
well i disagree, it might be now that its their own countries politician is doing it
but whatever sparked all this outrage and senseless stuff is the overseas people, take rapelay for example, i feel that its one of the first trigger that sparked all this nonsense, not that i care actually cos i dun play eroge
Let them be assholes for all i care, only makes me feel less guilty when i download and play their games for free.
PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
Alright lets make a ero halo... WTF! RACIST PERVERTS BASTARDS! Hope if north korean launch missiles it ll go in their a** first.
look at all the american responses!
If ZyX joins this xenophobic bandwagon, I'm gonna rage like a mutherfucker.
Cry more faggots.
Ahww how cute, another lost tourist.
Thank you, femnazis.
Well, whatever, the internet is ours, they can't stop it.
BTW the op pic is fuckhot.
The foreigners are being idiots, acting like kids, and thus now the eroge makers are also acting like idiot kids.
Of course I know we are not really the ones being dicks to them and that most of their problems come from a few annoying self righteous groups but that is how they are trying to make it look, like japan is the victim of the world.
I don't know if this is their plan but if they could turn the tables, make the national patriotism surge to defend the local industry they could get part of the masses.
Another possibility is that by accusing the outside world of being the one oppressing them they could get other countries to act in their favor.
This is a situation where freedom of expression is being fucked over after all.
But its also a situation where freedom is used to make things usually seen as bad and disgusting for most people.
Very complicated indeed.
Damned fools.
Stand up for yourselves...
and establish a micro-nation!
Hey, if Sealand could do it...
Just nuke them again.
Like, a dozen times.
if fans arent allowed to buy it they're just gonna pirate it. its one way or another. these fuckers are just too stupid to choose the ones that makes money.
PLEASE PRAY FOR CELESTIAL BEINGS IF YOU WANT TO PLAY ERO GAMES !:-)」
TENSHI, HEAR ME!! HEED MY PRAYERS!
FUCK WORLD PEACE! I WANT SOME GOD DAMN EROGE!!!
Those anti-eroge motherfucking feminists over in the US need to learn to stop the porn industry in their own country before attack other countries' culture.
Hello hello theres a fuck load of rape and PTHC and CP in the world, why attack eroge. Won't watching real children and women getting fucked spur people to commit crimes more than eroge?
Quick people of Sankaku! spam info@equalitynow.org about why they aren't solving the porn problem in their own country before arrowing others!
What are we going to say? Umm could you maybe take it easy on the eroge companies, because the japanese have no spines?
Huh, I didnt realise that the Japanese were quite this fucking spineless.
Are you kidding me? Who did you think the archetype for the 'pathetic male main character' was?
Italia.
France?
No actually, it's the people who watch the show. They see the worthles male get the girl and start thinking that it's possible for them too, being a worthless male and all.
Zing!
After seeing how lots of ppl around the world (especially in the west) loathed and frown on Japan just because their AMG (wether erotic or just the regular ones) have youthful characters and tons of fanservice, i have to say that this is a little bit appropriate..
... except that barely anyone among these "ppl around the world (especially in the west)" ever visited the blocked pages. This IP ban will only make angry some of their (ex-)fans or even (potential) customers.
They should have just added a smart warning (or a set of warnings). For example:
"Do you think that playing a H game with a rape scenario (with a loli character, etc.) could affect public morals negatively?"
- Yes.
- Maybe.
- No.
- I don't really care about public morals...
And come on Japan! Stand up and say a big "FUCK YOU" to all these protesters! How many people do they have and what can they do? Stand up in their own country, hold banners and spam your mail? It's time to just say a big "FUCK YOU" to the anti-eroge groups and carry on!
Those groups with only a few thousand people can do NOTHING against the multitudes of fans of Japan's culture.
We are many...We are one...We are Hentai Legion!!!
If the U.S. porn industry managed to stomp on the christfags' heels, so can the Japanese otaku and eroge companies. The western people didn't have shame about manifesting about their right for porn, so they shouldn't have and if they do, that's their problem and their rights that go down the drain. Sorry, Japan, but it's your move.
Thankfully key and Type-Moon haven't jumped on the bandwagon ... and here's hoping they never will. \o/
Let's make a game.
let's
I think japan is a pretty cool guy. eh bans eroge and foreigners and doesnt afraid of anything.
Their engrish is also cool.
Yes, they're engrish is a pretty cool guy, too.
Then I guess it's okay for us to cut them off from all our uncultured western games.
It's better this way...All for the greater good to keep moralfag and easily butt-hurt organizations
like 'Equality Now' and 'UNICEF' from meddling with
the anime and game industry on morals and all that...
I know my way enough to get what I want when it comes
to anime and hentai...
Exactly.
Oh yeah??! Well I'm gonna go open my own hentai-game studio.
With blackjack and hookers!
Couldn't help but think ...
"PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)"
No translated Katawa Shoujo for them then?
Most likely no. But that's one good stuff, judging by the preview. Original, new idea.
Fucking cowards. They'll deny access to foreign IPs, but they sure as hell won't stand up to their industry regulation groups or government. These companies can go to hell.
Have I forgot to mention that MOONSTONE is unaccessible (403 Forbidden)?
http://www.moon-stone.jp
The works produced are:
1) Ashita Deatta Shōjo (あした出逢った少女)
2) Imōto Watashi, Donna Koto Datte... (妹 わたし、どんなことだって…)
3) Doko e Iku no, Ano Hi (何処へ行くの、あの日)
4) Gift (Gift 〜ギフト〜)
4) Gift Rainbow-colored Stories (Gift にじいろストーリーズ)
5) Clear (Clear -クリア-)
6) Clear Crystal Stories (Clearクリスタルストーリーズ)
7) MagiSuKi: Marginal Skip (マジスキ 〜Marginal Skip〜)
and yes, the proxy mentioned by Japanese Proxy (comment no. 21904 of the site | http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/06/30/eroge-industry-to-foreigners-play-your-own-games/#comment-210904) does not work.
Here are results based on a website monitoring service
http://host-tracker.com/check_res_ajx/2852009-0/share/
but it seems like the results defer from when I actually visit the site
p.s. If you are wondering where the anime: Gift ~eternal rainbow~ (Gift ～ギフト～ eternal rainbow) came from, it is based off Gift (Gift 〜ギフト〜) by this company.
(quote)
"Have I forgot to mention that MOONSTONE is unaccessible (403 Forbidden)?"
http://www.moon-stone.jp
Hmm ~
I'm able to access it....
I can't access it, either.
It says: "You don't have permission to access / on this server."
I think those silly japs are projecting their anger at the wrong direction. Nothing good will come out of these actions.
Huh. I can access it. Strange.
I would like to reiterate what I mention earlier:
Here are results based on a website monitoring service
http://host-tracker.com/check_res_ajx/2852009-0/share/
but it seems like the results defer from when I actually visit the site
The site is still accessible via other proxies, the reliable and fast CoDeeN network for example. Since it is a load balancing network, you'll have to refresh a number of times before your request is being processed by one of their Japanese nodes, but it works.
Try these IPs (configure your browser to use them as HTTP proxy):
203.178.133.2 Port 3127
203.178.133.10 Port 3127
PLEASE pay THE GAME OF our COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
LOL THIS IS JUST STARTING TO GET GOOD! HAHAHA! wonder where the hell will this lead into to for Japan! whooo!
I dont know what is your problem.
Seriously, are you accessing eroge sites?
nope, youre downloading.
are you buying it from the original site?
nope youre downloading, or even if you buy, you buy it through amazon or something.
so why is it problem?
if it helps to protect eroge from being banned, then we should be happy!
our sacred eroge will be saved, and we can play as we played until now!
Equality Now and the likes don't even know about these sites. Even if they knew these sites, they could find enough info about H games to fuel their rage here on SanCon and other English fan sites. (Let's close SanCon, just in case?)
So what exactly does this IP ban protect them from?
These developers need to grow a backbone and stand up to their regulatory groups and legislators. The damage is done and they have capitulated.
no banning of or pleading to foreign customers will help them now. Its is now purely a domestic issue.
I don't see the point of all the massive flamming against Japan.
Attempting to prevent foreign access to eroge is probably the best the eroge industry can do. No one in the eroge industry is going to go out and protest in public because those who stood their faces out will be treated as monsters by the media. Even with a spine no one is going to do something so shameful.
Also, with the recent ban of fetishes, how many of you are still going to continue pirating eroge? The new eroge that is being produced has no loli, neko-mimi, young girl, and student council.
"Attempting to prevent foreign access to eroge is probably the best the eroge industry can do. No one in the eroge industry is going to go out and protest in public because those who stood their faces out will be treated as monsters by the media."
So you are telling me that all the protests in 70s made by everyone that belonged and/or supported the porn industry in the U.S. were for nothing? Those people didn't care if they were reported as sexual deviants, perverts and all other kinds of monstrosities by christfags and moralfags, because they were fighting for their rights and, most of them, for their jobs and their future. If the Japanese want the eroge industry to survive all of this moralfaggotry, it has to stand up for their rights and all of those 2channers that are whining about "fucking gaijins" should support them in every way they can. It's the only for the industry to resist further abuses of power and to recover the right to create everything that was banned.
The problem is that people fear what others think. If everyone was like that, we would still think that the world was a cube and that the Sun spins around the Earth.
You people get masturbation material from japs, and you call them retarded.
good logic, westerners!
keep twisting and messing up, one day you will all find yourselves in mental hospital
B-but... I LIKE regular doses of meds! They keep the voices away. T_T
2009.06.22 最近の出来事
minoriは自社のウェブサイトへの日本国外からの閲覧を遮断した。（ただちにアクセスして試してみたまえ！）
これは我々が当初から抱いていた疑念を裏付ける仕打ちである： minoriは我々外国人の事など眼中に無い。
すべてのefシリーズ（の英語化パッチ）を独自に製作・発表するという我々の決断の正しさが立証されたと感じている。
（英語化）パッチはもっと倫理的であるべきだって？ ふざけるな！ minoriは外国人の金など必要ないし、
欲しくもないらしい。
minoriは日本販売分にのみサポートを限定するに違いない。minoriの目から見れば外国人ユーザーなど”汚い外人”にすぎないのだろう。以上、話は終わりだ。
ところで、Wind -a breath of heart-の第4章の翻訳作業は中断された。
もしどなたか我々を手助けしてくれる方がおられたら、どうかe-mailを送ってほしい。
当初の予想より遅れてはいるが、第3章と第5章の翻訳作業は続行している。
Is that a news of Minori bashing foreigners because of the English patch to Wind - A Breath of the Heart -?
Can anyone with proficiency in Japanese confirm my point?
Here's a rough translation for his post. I might have a mistake or two, but you pretty much get the gist of what he's saying:
2009.06.22 About the recent affairs
Minori has blocked off users outside of Japan to from browsing their company website. (You should try and access it right now!)
This confirms the suspicions we've had from the start: Minori doesn't care for our foreigners.
We feel that this proves that our own decision to announce/make (the English patches) for the entire ef series was the right choice.
How is making an (English patch) any more ethical, you ask? Stop dicking around! Minori doesn't need your money, nor do they want it.
*I'm guessing he has no problems with us pirating their games as well because of this.*
There's no denying that Minori only supports retailers in Japan. If you look through Minori's eyes, they just see foreign users as nothing more than "those dirty foreigners". That's it, end of story.
By the way, the translation work for chapter 4 of Wind -a breath of heart- had been interrupted. If there's someone who'd like to help us out, please send us an email.
Although we're running later than we initially expected, we're still continuing our translation work on chapters 3 and 5.
Apparently, it is a translation of the 22.6.2009 entry of this site:
http://nnl1.com
I still don't understand what was mistranslated to have incited such rage in the Japanese posters.
It was probably not any mistranslation, but rather the berating of Minori that pissed the Japanese posters off.
Learn how to English.
I don't think he can speak English fluently. If I could speak Japanese fluently, I would be discussing with them at the Japanese blog and here. I think he prefers to write in Japanese because he can't really write well in English.
Learn to use predicates. Thanks.
The sarcasm was lost on the tubes.
CHING CHONG NIP NONG
FOR GRORIOUS NIPPON CHONG CHING
YOU NO PRAY OUR RAPE GAEMS
This is probably the next message that the japanese ero game developers might announce:
2D LOLI IS EXCLUSIVELY FOR JAPAN
Too naive.
There's always going to be fringe extremists, like the so-called feminists who petition to have these things banned, but it is honestly those who take these people seriously who are to blame. Does anyone ever listen to the blind-drunk homeless guy preaching about the apocalypse? No, they don't . This sort of thing is what happens when someone stops to listen to the mad ravings of a lunatic.
at 1st of course , japanese fan object to this legulation
against political party , japan unicef , foreign group of feminazi , and everyone who legulate this.
in addtion,minori didnt say "dirty foreigner" at all.
some ppl said "they are racist,and retarded" in these site. but those opinion is translated soon on 2ch as news.
perhaps developper watched it too.
so, you sholdnt stir up opposition , or japanese fan will be aggressive too.
we have to cooperate.
of course,minori shouldnt ban foreign ip.
you shold calm down and cheer developper.
IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
Well said!
I have an idea, let's ban all countries except Russia/Uganda/Tokelau
Politicians and feminazis are incapable of setting up their browsers to use a proxy so they will be safe.
:sigh:...whatever, at least it'll make those "not that internet savvy" gaijin ero-game neh-sayers think, "Oh, so I DID do some good in the world...yaaaaay!" >.>
This is stupid. Japanese game developers are just losing money and popularity if they choose to restrict non-Japanese fans from their sites and prevent them from playing their games. If I were a game developer, I'd be happy that people around the world liked my products and let them be welcome to visit the sites I put up and be able to buy my games. Idiots.
あなたの国に
あなたがた国民だけに向けた
貴方が大好きなゲームジャンルがあります
その業界のメーカー達は
弱小で今にも潰れそうな状況を
必死に持ちこたえながらも
あなた方ファンの為に提供しています
他国には一切、販売しておりません
国内のみです
貴方はいつものようにゲームを楽しみます
ところがある日
何故か販売していないはずの他国から
”このゲームは我が国内において悪影響を及ぼしている”
と抗議がきました
あなた自身ははもちろん
あなたの国では実際には悪影響が起きておりません
あなたが大好きなメーカー達の業界は弱小です
周りには誰も守ってくれる強いヒーローは現れません
この経緯によって、あなたの大好きなジャンルが出回らなくなり
さらに業界自体が永遠に失われつつある状態です
メーカーは、必死に生きようと努力します
あなたもそんなメーカーにエールを送り、守ろうと努力します
しかし、その原因を作った他国の人たちは
自分達のせいにも関わらず
何故かメーカーと、あなたたち国民をひっくるめて
”お前らのせいだ””軟弱者め””人種差別主義者め”
などと、エールを送るどころか罵声を浴びてきます
しかも、その大半は違法で入手し、勝手に楽しんできた連中です
さて、あなたはこの状況をどう思いますか？
http://suzacu.blog42.fc2.com/blog-entry-42.html#comment1609
Oh shit.
They translated everything into Japanese.
As I stated before, learn how to English.
xenophobiaはお前なんじゃね？>ManaUnko
So your saying that other countrys are the cause of the problem because game makers create these games that are in the market would face controversy?
Some games do cause controversy thats why they sell so well in the market for example Doom.It face a lot controversy but the game developers didn't back down they kept going and working on new games.
No, I'm not a xenophobe, but in Rome be a Roman, is what we say in my country.
If you need a more direct answer, if everyone is writing/speaking in English, you should also write/speak in English. It's a lack of respect for the people of a country when you visit it and force your language on them, so that kind of consideration should also exist on the internet, since I've only seen 4 posts on the entire comments in Japanese and every other post was in English or something akin to it.
couldn't agree more
b-but the games of my country suck ass!
Star Control 2
Fallout
Planescape: Torment
Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn
Deus Ex
The Longest Journey
Grim Fandango
to name a few
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Japan
Don't forget Duke Nukem!
Enjoy Fapping to Duke Nukem
Well, there is H content in Duke Nukem ^^
Oh yeah, spewing money out at strippers! Good times...
What the hell people like this are doing here?
We don't want anyone not interested in what this blog is about.
Hah, you're mistaken. I'm all about what this is about. Check the other comments I've made to this issue. I just felt like adding to the comment of western games.
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http://blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/archives/1279261.html
And another one.
Wow, already almost 200 comments. I'm always so late to comment. I don't have time to read all this right now. Still, I will choose to ignorantly comment anyway.
Sure, people can get by the blocked websites using proxies, but I don't think the actual banning of foreign IP's is the point here. They are messages to the people trying to shut them down, such as the women activists who went batshit over a game like Rapelay. I bet it's just because the game had the name Rape in the title. You don't see them doing anything about the games that are MUCH, MUCH worse. But I digress. The main message to these activists is this: "We are aware of you and you are pissing us off. Fuck off, please."
I have to say I agree with these IP-blocks, even if they are completely useless. I mean, I kinda feel like I have to side with someone (I know I don't have to, seeing as how they're both going about this the wrong way), and that someone is definitely not going to be those foolish women. And no, not just because they're women.
I pray to God KEY doesn't block us as well. I respect them a lot and would be very disappointed if they were to block me.
Same here, but I dunno, I don't think Key's games will be affected too much. They aren't really known for lolis (except maybe Kudo) or rape anyway.
" PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-) "
Wow I never imagined that playing games like Halo series, Call of Duty series, Medal of Honor series, Gears of War series, Fallout, Command and Conquer series, etc. can lead to world peace....
^^ I was thinking the same thing.
Now to invent the mouse controlled semi automatic and only then will we have world at true eternal peace. Game over!...
Adding to this devastation is what if they also decide to ban ecchi anime and anime with lolis? O____O
"Once again, it seems all the Japanese otaku community can think to do is blame foreigners, even when it is their own politicians, media, and even industry which is happily trampling the rights of the minority."
It's actually the retailers withdrawal of sale (in order to save face locally and internationally) which lead to this situation. Only they have the financial power to influence politics and endure extended periods of time fighting in a court of law. All they needed to do was ignore the pressure and vindicate their position. Just like the whaling issue. Because it's tuna (the anime / manga industry) next on the ban list.
(Albeit, were there no foreign pressure and anti-japanese provocateurs in the mix, eroge would be forever legally gray just like pachinko and soaplands)
So, before one goes pointing the finger and mentioning the rigidness of individual spinal cords, perhaps one should consider the social climate in which the wrong people drawing attention to themselves will only create the reverse effect and undesired consequences.
This is so sad for so many reasons
We knew this would happen at some point...Just for a bunch of retarded feminists and politicians...And that is the world we live in.
We can still annoy them by watching their animes for free on fansub.
Eroge VN companies got little to do in that matter though :D
True, but some of my favourite anime came from VNs though. If they stop making them, then anime will stop too (a small portion at least).
I hope these companies know what they are doing. Sticking to a strictly Japanese otaku base for the industry is not a smart move. Worldwide there are hundreds of people that actually buy the imported games. There would be even more that bought these games were they given an English translation. They are effectively cutting out a large percentage of possible profits. Sticking strictly to the Japanese industry is folly. It won't stop radical feminist groups like Equality Now nor keep them at bay. Hell it will only help to further their goals. They wish for censorship and unknowingly you've given them part of what they wish. They will not stop there though they will continue until the industry itself has been destroyed. The fact that companies are banning from foreigners now means that the feminists have yet another way to see how they are winning. Rather than help these companies will probably bring about the downfall of eroge. Fansubbed anime and torrented games will continue on as always the only difference is that the many foreigners that did actually buy a hardcopy of the product will find it more difficult to do so. This will only hurt them in the end.
It's laughable to see such posts with people who actually think the foreign export market for eroge is anything more than a drop in the ocean of domestic sales.
The reality is, the exported and translated/localized eroge markets are not even part of the eroge industries financial model to begin with.
The total exclusion of foreigners to such a market is no skin off their noses. Quite frankly it is quite the opposite, a win win situation (where foreign pressure can be ultimately and absolutely denied).
What's the point of selling eroge in countries which give fictional characters human rights and prosecuting on the basis of fake-science, sentimental drivel and complete and utter nonsense while ignoring the real social problems right in their backyard.
In such places the majority of people do not even buy legitimate imports or localized versions, they just download copies because they are afraid of coming under scrutiny of the law by importing through customs.
If you want to even be considered as a target audience, first things first: stop such totalitarian movements in your own countries and start throwing some $$$ directly Japan ways.
Only then can you tell others how they should be administrating their own business for their actual paying customers. (it's called capitalism)
However, looking at this kind of dialogue, isolationism is obviously the best move to preserving the eroge industry for those that actually care about it.
Let nuke those gooks again , I think they don't remember that we own their sorry zipperhead ass.
bit stupid if you ask me..
The games WILl leak to the rest of the world and the only thing that will change is that the people outside of japan that are now paying for them will be unable to.
World Peace!
YAY!
This is a good move, the future is bright.
For world PEEEAACCEE!!
Equality Now still harassing Illusion
http://www.care2.com/causes/womens-rights/blog/equality-now-challenges-sale-of-rapelay-game/
RapeLay is how this shitstorm began, so no wonder. Also, the article is older than a month.
Actually, correction, it's quite more complex than that imo. Let's dig out the SC archives:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/11/24/japan-plans-internet-censorship-regime/
Meanwhile:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/12/10/amazon-bans-lolicon-av-eroge-follow/
While Japanese politicians play their cards, the western liberals are busy with internal bickering with Obama now in power, so nothing happens, until:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2008/12/16/japan-lags-in-loli-ban-unicef-lies-exposed/
Due to the easing up of outside political pressure, the fight enters a stalemate.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/01/14/unicef-demands-tighter-loli-ban-for-japan/
^ this only serves to show the trend in certain political circles in Japan at the time.
Then the usual suspects win the homefront:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/02/13/amazon-pulls-raep-sim-rapelay-over-media-pressure/
And start bringing in additional firepower. A lot of articles on RapeLay and the allegedely depraved Japanese nation follow. Shit hits the fan.
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/03/21/democrats-propose-end-to-loli-ban-free-loli-for-all/
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/02/22/minister-who-cares-if-freedom-of-speech-is-curtailed/
Finally the feminists we all love to hate deliver the final blow, by providing a good opportunity for the people in above articles to enforce their policy.
So there, the Japanese did this to themselves and any outside pressure is there merely to aid actual Japanese politicans and organizations into enforcing their policies and gaining a stronger position with the public, rather than an actual feminist crusade, though considering the apparent success of their work, a public image of it as such is actually beneficial to both the feminists and the politicians who'd prefer to be shown as moralists and leave the feminists take the flak, whilst the feminists return home with their own brand of moral victory.
Thank you.
I KID YOU NOT
GOD IS NOT KIDDING
BURN IN HEAVEN
BURN IN HEAVEN!
You know eroge are neither that special nor hard to make. If websites like this weren't populated by a majority of whiny talentless hicks, a Sankaku Complex sized community could output a dozen eroge per month at least.
You don't have any seiyuu, programmers, artists, marketers, distributors...
As I said, a majority of talentless hicks, as for marketing and distribution, we are on THE Internet, doesn't come easier than with digital distribution and adds on that partners/friends list on the left side of this website you own. :P
Why does this comment sound so uninformed and naiive? It feels like, "Come on guys, we can do it, we just need to work together!" Sounds like something from a Naruto episode...
Perhaps you still harbor some optimism, so you read it as such. Maybe your stance of informed level headed practicality is merely a defense mechanism, hence why deep down inside you actually want to believe. It may blow your mind to face your inner beast and see that it is but a bubbly frog of pink coloration, struggling in futility against it's own imprisonment. Are you cynical enough to truly fear?
Ok you lost me at the bubbly frog.
I have no problem with them banning outside ip's to help defend themselves against corrupt feminists and such.
But I refuse to support any company who talks shit about their international fans and stabs them in the back while they generate more money and interest for these companies(and more pirates of course).
Even if companies like Fuguriya have this same sort of attitude towards other foreign fans, I'll still easily buy their products without any problems just like now.
As much as I hate what's happening right now, it's hard to feel pity when this industry are so spineless and refuse to have any sort of backbone, instead blame someone else, if their are problems, it usually starts in the country of origin.
I can only hope there are a community of japanese people who respect foreign fans just as we have a communities who practically worship them like gods.
Who honestly cares what the media says about us or anyone for that fact, Y! JP are probably filled with retards just like any other sort of mainstream media.
I usually don't like to rant as I'm pretty shy and sensitive, and my feelings can be easily hurt by insults from people who believe they can talk shit just because they can.
But I'll do whatever I need to protect my interest, and I hope other people feel the same way and try to ignore the ignorant comments that are thrown at us. I expect otaku and other less hardcore fans to be a little smarter than the general public, as we all know how smart they are.
"I can only hope there are a community of japanese people who respect foreign fans just as we have a communities who practically worship them like gods."
If there are any then they're not speaking up. Just look at all the spams we're getting here. Majority of Japanese otakus are xenophobic, it's been proven over and over again.
Unfortunately, Holly, there's an internet pissing contest to see who has the biggest e-penis among the various anons all over the World Wide Web.
It sucks, but that's human nature. Humans, for lack of a better explanation, love to argue. That's why we have war, inequality, murder, and the U.N.
Oh, I like the UN one.
Maybe eroge makers should stop having blonde western girls and using western mythology in all their games.
uh-oh, there goes all the good ones.
Better yet they should stop using westren technology.
Uh oh, there goes their ability to even make them.
I didn't care if they ban foreign IPs. But what's with the shit talking?
E-thugism. To scared to deal with the issue themselves so talking big in a forum where they can't really get called on it.
This is too be expected. It is easier to find a scapegoat then to deal with an issue.
Anyway can you imagine an Okatu actually protesting? My god, it would be funny, scary and sad all at the same time.
Japan shouldn't be allowed any access to any Western cultural products as a punishment.
ANY. That means Sakoku, Japan.
Have fun with your Michael Jackson CDs, Japan. They'll be the last ones in your country.
Let Japan become like North Korea.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to watch Venture Bros. and South Park and actually be entertained.
I loved your stuff, Japan... *sniff* ...I'll miss you.
On the bright side, maybe this is the chance to break Japan's monopoly on good ero.
I mean, there's Mexico. ...Mexican Ero-Comics, anyone?
...It just isn't the same. No Tsundere. ...No Gangbangs. No Haramase or Netorare. Probably not even Bukkake.
Just the comic form of bad porn flicks. They'll probably even have "Featuring REAL Porn Stars!"
No good story. (Japan tends to have better stories accompanying good sex.) The west only has fucking between two people you really don't care about.
Also, the dudes are ugly as fuck. At least in Japan, the dudes look like girls, so you don't feel gay in looking at the guy who's fucking the girl.
Yep. No bishounen. Only Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force.
NO DELICIOUS FLAT CHEST. ;__;
Now that you are talking about it, let's take their OS, since they don't know shit about making one without it falling apart, e.g. Sony.
Fuck, I didn't mean to reply to your comment, but to the one below.
if this is what they want to do and blame foreigners for this entire eroge crisis, then can we have our Xboxes back? Tthe ones that you might use to play said eroge? I mean, if they don't want foreign things...
Better take their PCs too, that's all foreign technology. But then they wouldn't be able to make anything.....
fail.
The eroge industry started on proprietary Japanese hardware.
I rather not see the below message after checking the site.
PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
I rather see the below message.
Forbidden
You don’t have permission to access / on this server.
A fictional event: many people(male) send their enrage in a letter to their government demanding not to send aid to japan after north korea launching 1-5 nukes because of the message:
PLEASE PLAY THE GAME OF YOUR COUNTRY IF YOU PRAY FOR THE WORLD PEACE!:-)
Clearly the Japanese have learned nothing about a market economy. If we stopped buying their cars, they would be on their knees begging for the world to shop with them.
Too bad the Japanese behave as scared little girls around their politicians. Cowards, and without a shred of honor.
Hey eroge industry, if you want to pay for me to take a trip to Japan I will fight the evil oppressors for you.
Free trip and a good old shouting match, sounds like win win.
I guess that would be the best way to solve this, since they are too busy fapping to manifest themselves against it.
This is just sad.
man, otaku are just killing themselves off, trying to prove who's best, can't we all just get along?
Well, it was mainly foreign feminists and Illusion's screwup that caused this.
Well BT-fishing in season then...
awww come on, dont isolate yourselves from the world again.
If they do that just get someone to bring old man Matt Perry from the dead and do his thing.
The guy from Friends?
The guy who made the Japanese shit themselves on the XIX century.
That little message that said to play our own games if you want world peace is funny and at the same time....pointless.
Regardless what adult games come from whether USA or Japan, it's still R-rated due to any blood and gore violence, sexual content, and other adults stuff. Doesn't matter if even an Japanese otaku wanted to buy adult games from America. Heck there are some people who cause controversy over some adult games here in America. And you know some groups want certain video games banned or restricted regardless of where it came from. Anyway Japan and America were already "dirty" as soon as they developed their own adult games.
Like I said before, I'm not going to whine if they suddenly don't allow me to play their eroge games. It still messed up and it sucks, but right now until a miracle happens to lift the ban, things stay where they are for now.
Well, people are Hypocrites everwhere.
Violence is tolerable- after all, you need aggression and violence to play football, which is like... a fucking religion in the midwest.
But sex, ooooh, no. That would encourage black people to raep white wimminz, wouldn't it? As if boys and girls don't already screw each other. Parents don't want to imagine their adorable kids having underaged sex. (It still happens.)
Just look at the outrage over Grand Theft Auto Hot Coffee mod, but not so much when they have things exploding at a Michael Bay film. Ooh, that's baaaaad.
In Japan? I dunno. Japan's crazy. Freedom of expression is overturned by Article 175 of Obscenity Laws. .... AND STILL! It's still okay to have the most depraved porn industry- but hey, it has mosaic, so it's okay! You have people walking around naked, groping on trains... It's all sexual repression I tells you!
hahaha pinches japoneses que se metan sus juegos por el culero al fin alcabo estan feos.
PLEASE RAPE THE WORLD IF YOU CAN'T PLAY THE GAME IN YOUR COUNTRY IN PEACE! ^_^
(I think this is my third post) Yeah, it's only focusing on the eroge genre. I just hope it doesn't effect the other games that doesn't have much of the adult stuff on it. It would suck for Japan to not make internation release of some of the games they send over to the US just because of this ban. I've been a fan of anime and manga for years. Even though I'm African American, I'm a nice guy who respects the people and the countries they live in. Man it's sad how some people act up over things when they can just come down, understand the situation, and do something about it without ranting and raging all the time. It's not like every American acts like that, yet people keep saying stuff like that because some a**hole disrespected them and they got the idea that if one is bad, then they're all bad.
I did say in my last comment that Millions of Americans don't know about with this eroge ban issue in Japan. Only few thousand of people buy those eroge games because they liked it, plus the fact that they might be sick of some of the games they have in their own country, some of it which sucks a**.
I'm always like playing something diffrent other than games from my own country, which is the reason why I buy some of them sometimes. I don't have to listen what some people say about me, because even though I'm American, they don't know nothing about me and my attitude, plus I make sure I type nothing disrespectful towards others that makes them think I'm just like one of the others. I know better and was raised better than that by my parents to be respectful of everybody around the world and I love and respect them for that.
And now, I present to you, a WALL OF TEXT:
"Even though I’m African American, I’m a nice guy who respects the people and the countries they live in." The way that you worded it, it made it look like that's a bad thing. I understand that a lot of Americans are being stigmatized because of the feminazis, but it's just like you said it, most of the people there and all over the world don't even know that there exists something like visual novels, much less that there are stupid people trying to censor it in Japan.
Even though most of other people are ignorant about it, a person shouldn't be ashamed to buy visual novels, porn, anime, manga, whatever they like just because they are labeled in a certain way by other people. The people that the consumer cares about will certainly try to inform themselves about it, generally, by talking about it with the consumer. No one