The EOCS adult game censorship regulations imposed in response to feminist criticism have finally been revealed in detail, and it seems they are shockingly draconian, practically banning all pictures and text which stray from the missionary position.
Not just rape and loli are now banned; all group sex, kinkiness and anything else which might cause trouble or offence is banned, whether in pictures or text; it is difficult to characterise such a sweeping ban as anything but a complete victory for opponents of freedom of expression and sexuality.
The full list of what is now completely off limits to adult games published through traditional channels:
(Some terms do not have clear English equivalents)
Rape
Loli
Gang Rape
Assault
Brutality
“Reverse” Rape
Girl
Adultery
“Reverse” Assault
Compulsion
Gangbang
Student Council
Bestiality
Bondage
Coercion
Train Molestation
Enjo Kousai (Prostitution)
Incest
Torture
Binding
Pregnancy
Violation
Slaves
Pregnant Women
Confinement
Conception
The ban covers all pictures, text, packaging and even the names of the publishers themselves.
Euphemisms are also banned, and the list will be added to as required. It seems the only major omission is homosexuality; it is also not clear whether the ban on pregnancy and conception means games must now feature obligatory contraception…
The source is a publisher quoting the EOCS guidelines for the benefit of their own partners, so it is still not a direct announcement, but seems as close to one as can be expected. This also confirms the previous publisher misgivings that a game featuring nekomimi and consensual pregnancy would be banned under the new regulations.
Details of how this may affect publishers and retail channels are covered in the previous articles, suffice to say it seems the retail trade in such games will be undergoing a severe contraction.
With such a spectacular success in censoring so broad an array of deviancy, it seems only a matter of time before a similar assault is launched against anime and manga, to say nothing of the wider pornography industry…
no more loli rape :(
I wonder if the japanese... umm... "gamers" would be willing to leave their houses and start protesting
maybe its a conspiracy to get rid of hikkikomori
You say that like it's a bad thing.
It is.
This...
IS
conspiracy to every single virgin otakus
A BAD THING
Welcome to NHK!
With this, even the good VNs will cease to be. Japanese game makers and politicians need 2 things right now. Balls and spine.
It's all very simple, we move the Eroge industry to another country, and expand the market, see if Japan enjoys the loss of jobs.
Well, the thing is that there is no way this is going through. As long as it is NOT A LAW it is just crap. The EOCS cannot make any law-enforced regulations, and all sane eroge producers would just leave their little organisation - and the ones who don't deserve to go down in the abyss.
Not even america has anything close to this in REAL porn, so don' think a country full of damn heathens will.
Then Rozen Azo economic plan will failed, and japan need to be helped by IMF....
Why japanese always listen something stupid like this? It is not like they sell their game outside japan purposely...
Student Council => Clannad is illegal then? (Tomoyo After too)
Nope, the rulings count for adult games. Clannad is all-ages. Tomoyo After would be banned, though.
if that happens i'm going to cry, although it mean more or less no Key since all but 1( i think) of their products are based around school.
keep the busty rape plz
I have nothing to live for now...
*kills himself*
it's not over so there no need to rash
This is a BIG mistake on the feminist part. Do you really think you (the feminists I mean) would get it your way? This will be the time of doujinsofts!
As long as the protest is scheduled to happen in Comiket, everything will be alright.
http://www.hentairulesfiles.net/2009/islamic_fundamentalism.jpg
Eroge taliban... LOL ^^;
*I'm a moslem too, though...
My existence... is shattered.
I knew something like that would happen someday but this is just too fast, i couldn't get in touch with them because something like was just for adults...
I am sad, i am really sad.
um, i would not just do that. i would get a tank and go choo choo right in the center of this bull$h!t and show them the greater evil in life. anyway i think that this is a mountain out of a molehill.
no more loli rape is the only good thing to come out of this. less pedoshit is always a win.
Agreed 100% lolitards must die
agreed here as well.
Sorry to hear that. Didn't expect that your daughter was raped by a Lolicon otaku.
I know right? Fuck free speech, stick it to those 'lolitards' with their 'pedoshit'.
Sup Unicef, didn't know you posted as Anonymous and omfg over here.
samefag?
pedoshit/lolitard always exist even though no more lolitard games
Oh yes please rescue the drawn people they're even more helpless than real children
Well, this isn't certainly going to help real children. It just fetishizes raping them.
Except it was a good target for pedos who would molest real children. Enjoy your raped kids.
Hey, it's time to realize that pedosexuality is NORMAL and to realize that 99% of the children who are whining about being 'forced into sex' are really whining about CONSENSUAL encounters sometimes years after the fact.
I realized that REAL fast with the people who were bitching at the Catholic church, because I know that ANY child raised in the past 30 years has been told "If someone touches you ANYWHERE in a way that you don't like, go and tell an adult!"
If they don't do that (and they didn't) then it's a case of 'Too bad, so sad, you didn't tell immediately, so now we are going to assume that you wanted that touching and are just bitching now because you have been brainwashed into thinking that you were 'victimized'.
To anonymous last before this: Nope, this won't lead to more raped kids, this will lead to more kids having CONSENSUAL encounters with adults that others then try to brainwash the children into thinking that they were 'used' and 'abused'.
"I realized that REAL fast with the people who were bitching at the Catholic church, because I know that ANY child raised in the past 30 years has been told "If someone touches you ANYWHERE in a way that you don't like, go and tell an adult!"
If they don't do that (and they didn't) then it's a case of 'Too bad, so sad, you didn't tell immediately, so now we are going to assume that you wanted that touching and are just bitching now because you have been brainwashed into thinking that you were 'victimized'."
agreed!
03-07-2009 09:23
Have you even read the reports? Children were usually forced - nothing consensual about that. And then we aren't even talking about the beatings, the whippings, and various other forms of torture. Or about stealing kids and selling them for money. Or kidnapping them and sending them abroad to abusive foster parents. And afterwards the church used its power and authority over its flock to shut people up or cover their tracks. If I had the money, I would hire a hitman to take out catholic clergy, I swear.
kill yourself pussy moralfag
+1
Burn in hell with the feminists.
I think telling "ALL" the feminists to burn in hell is a little extreme...The feminists you hear about in these articles, are the reason Feminists like myself look bad...
There is a difference you know...between feminist (someone all for women's rights)...And Extreme hard headed-refuses to look at the bigger picture-ruins every body's lives feminist.
How stupid can you be? Don't you even understand the implications of this? Troll or not, you've inspired others to "agree."
Get off your fucking high horse please and put yourself back in reality.
If he's trolling, he's not on a high horse. Though he could quite possibly be high. As well as his horse. That would explain the level of stupidity.
student council...no......why..... I mean seriously....why
Bizarre, isn't it? Why should student council specifically be blocked? It really stands out on a list like this, as the only thing that isn't really perverse.
Heh, feminists...
You can't expect anything from them, always attack from the craziest direction possible...
It's probably to discourage highschool student council...what got me was the three on pregnancy. Yes, women have sex while pregnant. Also, the way they say it sounds like it won't allow a pregnant woman to be shown even as a background character. Why can't they be impregnated either? I'm confused.
They're explicitly underage?
Oh yeah, underage sex is soo baad, that's why the age of consent in almost all countries allows 16 year olds to fuck each other.
Are you 16 or older?
Actually, Shuu, 'underage' (an invention made by adults who wish to think that they are 'better' than teenagers and children) sex is no bad in the slightest.
I encouraged my children to have sex early and frequently with whoever they wanted and didn't raise them with the stupid anti-sex morality of the religious, and protected them by keeping condoms in my home and once my children were old enough that the doctors wouldn't bitch, got my daughters on birth control.
begining of the end of every ones freedom, this will have to be over ruled as it would praticly nuke out japanes game sector and all the jobs that lie with in it.. if the moved on to the anime and manga sector ha i think the whole thing would colapse so fast ud think sazu droped a BHB on tokyo
Reminds me of that announcement made by the reporter in The Dark Knight for some reason.
"What does it take to make you people want to join in? I've got to get you off the bench and into the game."
"No more loli rape."
In H-games. All the lolicons will do it IRL. Well done... Stupid feminists.
Also I'm not chauvinist, I adore women, I'm just anti-feminist.
I await the day Skynet destroys mankind. The world deserves a massive reformat.
Girl and Adultery?! So I guess I'll just be fapping to a picture of lonesome pantsu?
Soon that will be banned to, enjoy it while you can.
We need to stack up on whatever hentai content we can get to before it's too late xD
It's going to be a hard disk sales boom, as Bla7e says!
And, we all gotta start drawing hentai.
Hasta la vista, pantsu.
or you could fap to yaoi... just kidding
Notice that no one is banning yaoi
Oh, at this rate, that's probably coming.
Nope, feminists won't ban their precious prOn.
Cummingtonite.
Does that mean I still fap to Traps?
Maria Holic fans goes nuts!
But the feminists aren't involved in this ban.
This is just a result of the paranoia from their previous ban.
Are you that daft or just pretending?
It's just as likely for yaoi to get banned as a repercussion.
No banning traps. EQUALITY!
^ feminist Anon?
I wouldn't be surprised. Were already being arrested in America for owning yaoi because they look to effeminate to be grown...I doubt traps will do better...Yuuki Kei, Maria...I'll miss you.
You can't even use high school aged girls? Umm... this is crazy. Why even make games at that point?
There are like only 4 animes I know of that aren't full of teens. And those shows were made like 10 years old.
I for one would like to see more women in their 20s in hentai. Give me characters my own age that I can relate with!
It might even help Japanese Otaku. Otaku seem to dwell on school-age characters and school-age relationships. Perhaps if they portrayed more people their own age meeting and fucking, they wouldn't feel so hopeless. You're never too old to meet a girl. At least not in North American, is it different in Japan? The anime series Oruchuban Ebichu suggests that a 25 year old "office lady" is over the hill! Is this the way people really think in Japan?
It's not that extreme, but that comes close enough. Basically, a 30 year old woman is considered to have lost her marriageability by conservative/traditional people.
Nothing wrong with more girls in their 20s in anime, but what about those of us who are not yet in their twenties? How should they feel if there are no more schoolgirls in anime? (I'm not one of them anymore though ;_;)
That's a good point anon. It's more of a cultural thing - Japan has an obsession with youth, purity and cuteness. I guess this is also the reason that the vast majority of anime and manga star young characters in a school setting - even shows that are not specifically aimed at this target audience (although a lot are). But yeah, it would be refreshing to have some characters that are actually past puberty...
"Perhaps if they portrayed more people their own age meeting and fucking, they wouldn’t feel so hopeless. You’re never too old to meet a girl."
Yeah, your never too old to fuck a little girl, but why would someone get a chick of their own age? That's just stupid. Woman are mentally ahead of men like a few years. (Maybe I put it wrong, but I mean that woman are generally earlier interested in men.)
As I was 9, I wanted to play, but most girls of that age already have romantic feelings.
Long story short, men like to fuck younger woman and woman like to be fucked by older men. Nature works that way. I wouldn't be satisfied with a girl that isn't at leat 3 years younger than myself.
Its strange I was 4 I guess I like older women.
HFS+ Anyone?
I think a GUID Partition Table would be the best option.
Could the universe run on linux then? Having a pengiun as a mascot makes it hard to ban bestiality and all.
I don't want the only fruits in the new world to be Apples.
Who doesn't like apples? Apple Pie, Apple Juice, Applesauce, Applebee's...
I... Hate... Apple... Computers!!!
No need for it to be Apple. Besides, Apple isn't exactly open either.
Linux, especially with a delicious KDE desktop if you're an eye candy fan, is the way to go.
2nded
I'm on it.
I, for one, welcome our new A.I. masters.
Shouldn't [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejROvUC-gWU&feature=channel_page] be much longer.
If "Girl" is banned, so it's all gay porn? Ouch.
...Hey wait, I'm actually fine with that. In fact, I believe that's called yaoi XD
No, weeaboo scum, it's called BL now.
Let's not start this shit, unless you've watched, read and know as much about yaoi and BL as a regular fujoshi you should refrain from commenting.
BL has no explicit sexual encounters, yaoi has a lot of it. Learn the difference before trolling me.
But you just fed the troll by responding... <_<
This is so gay.
@yaku
I'm a fujoshi, quite regular too. The Japanese BL term includes both shounen-ai (no explicit sexual content) and the westernized yaoi.
I guess Boy wasn't on the list so little boys are going to be the focus in next game for Japanese Ero Developers.Feminist are going to be glade that little boys are now the Victims of every females fantasy.
TRAPS GALORE.
It's not called "now".
Both are still used. Yaoi refers to explicit homossexual content (aka buttsecks). Shounen-ai refers to romantic non-sexual stories between males (boys, teenagers, men, etc). Boys Love englobes this all.
shut the fuck up! theyre taking away my lolis.
Actually, in Japan, the term BL is more common than yaoi, and the former does refer to all male homoeroticism. It's only seen as less sexual in the West.
@regularfujoshianon: You're right I remembered about shounen-ai (june) half an hour after feeding the troll, thanks for adding it. Nevertheless, we're talking about "gay porn", that's more specifically yaoi (male-male with explicit scenes).
So that means there going to be a market for boy love so no more girl stories in Manga's and Animes which means they will Cancel Queens Blade?
Believe me, the second they even think about canceling Queen's Blade in any format is the second I will be over there saving it myself, scraping together whatever cash I could to bring it back to life.
I wonder if I can Invest into that I want to see a good ending?
which also explains the lack of ban on shota, I suppose.
Just wait, there will be an "masculinist" movement that will ask this to be banned as well as yaoi xD
If they do that there'll be nothing left!
I don't know about you people but right now I feel the incredible urge to kill feminazis. Anyone with meh? xD
Count me in!
Fascist females must die
Gee. Who do you really think the fascists are here? A group of idiotic feminists who, failing to know the difference between fantasy and reality, thought that fictional rape represented a real threat to real people and therefore pleaded that it be banned?
Or a group of idiotic cockmonglers who think 'women' are a gestalt entity with only one opinion and suggest putting them into gas showers?
Banning nekomimi... they deserve something worse than death. And lolis, too. Sakuranboooooo...
I won't forgive you, fem-nazis.
Damnit, where's the opposition to this Feminazi group?? Isn't there some "Ero Resistance" or something?! We can't just stand by and watch them take away all our precious Hentai little by little! We must band together and fight them! They're destroying such an exotic and beautiful culture!! FIGHT BACK I SAY!! I won't rest till this damn Feminazi movement is destroyed....
Who would my friend. Who would xD
I think we are not aware of the wrongness with how we approach the female subject as we are encountering it as an object and not as a face or the Other.
"The face, actually the whole person of the Other, puts me under a tremendous obligation. Even without saying a word, encountering another person speaks volumes. The human face comes with a built-in “ought.” I can recognize or refuse the gaze of the stranger, the widow, the orphan. Welcoming the Other puts my own freedom into question. It involves a fundamental responsibility that should function in all interpersonal relationships. Above all, it entails the command, 'Thou shalt not kill.'"
^ Whoever keeps quoting the bible is gay. ^
I guess with a ban on so much eroge in Japan, the soapland places will get a bunch of new business, asking for ropes, small breasts, and (your imagination here).
Actually grapefields isn't quoting the bible, but uttering some New Age shit that just happens to make use of one of the ten commandments or something. Freaky either way.
That's some faggotry there.
Doesn't "shoujo" also mean virgin in Japanese? Or perhaps it just means young girls, as in only women?
oh right... completely forgot about that.
you are indeed correct.
means both girl, and virgin.
No, spelt as it was there it means "girl" only.
AKA age less than 18.
Female virgin = shojo (処女). Young girl = shoujo (少女).
So girls over 18 are expected to not be virgins?
This is Japan, you know. Girls over 13 are expected to not be virgins.
You habe to take into account that 70% of their school girls have been raped
In the middle ages if you were 12 and not yet married, you were in deep trouble. But that's besides that point.
In anywhere but the US and certain few other places, people seem to assume that you've lost your virginity somewhere around high school. If you're familiar with the situation and the circumstances surrounding it, it's not exactly hard to see why.... unless you're being a moralfag.
And to the moralfags who seem to have forgotten: sex was meant to be pleasant. Also, the equation girl + boy + raging hormones = ALWAYS leads to something. Stop painting the result as a bad thing if yours didn't turn out that way.
If you want to bring god into this argument then I dare say he made sex pleasant that way intentionally. Sex = pleasurable and not so egotstical moralists who don't get enough of it can get on a high horse and talk down on those who do. You aren't impressing anyone with your ascetic beliefs; you have a body with specific functions for a fucking reason (pun very intended). Sure this doesn't negate social responsibilities and concerns but doesn't make any of this a bad thing. All living things have a natural desire to do it, and similar to #1 and #2, when nature calls, you obey.
Good point, it seems more likely that they would ban virgins than that they'd ban all <18歳 interactions.
If the EOCS had only banned loli or only banned rape they may have been able to get away with it. At this rate though, they'll see all of the business of eroge companies publishing under them fly away. I'm sure a new company like them will rise up soon enough.
Would this mean that feminists are afraid of offending gays and lesbians if they banned yaoi and yuri?
The feminists had nothing to do with this. They complained about rape, and knew fuck-all about hentai in general. The EOCS made the rest of this crap up themselves.
Sex-negative "feminist" group Equality Now complained. Sankaku must GTFO with all this generalization and mysoginism.
My main fear is that games such as Yume Miru Kusuri would have been banned under this new regulation. There was preganancy and conception, even if consensual.
I guess no one is allowed anymore to write its own stories without being censored...
I think the problem lies in the definition of "game" (as in, [erotic] games with pregnancy = mental and sexual perversion. While a book with pregnancy = story, yay). It should be only called visual novel, not eroges, from now on...
*pregnancy
The feminists started this shit when Equality Now encouraged their members to write letters to Illusions asking them to stop making and sell games that were disrespectful to women and to write letters to the Japanese government to ban those types of games.
They don't wanna invoke the powers of gay rights group. The feminists only want to pick fights in which they can ensure victory.
No 'loli' or 'girl' characters allowed to be engaged in sexual activities, meaning 'woman' is the only female is acceptable (aka 18+).
So I guess no more school girl hentai/ero games then.
and what about the dumb-school-girls that even if they are 18+, they still in the school...I think it's not in the "ban-zone" ....hehehehehehe^^
It means more Boy love themes.
T_T
damn it...
this is just too much...
there's gonna be riot for sure...
There probably will be. Seriously, this will probably reduce the amount of money flowing in Japan soon.
Haha, it would make my WEEK if they were forced to remove this ban.
well...
is this a ban on possession
or trade?
Probably trade, and only within retail stores I think. But still, that's enough to damage some companies. If it was possession, they would have to grandfather all works done before now, which means it could be taken advantage of by just changing the date or something.
If you ban something like this, it's impossible to actually uphold it, so I doubt this "ban" will last for more than a month.
Either there's gonna be a riot, or another publisher with absolutely no shame is gonna say "Fuck you, I'm gonna sell this shit because its my right to!!" and then make massive amounts of money, forcing all other publishers to rediscover their balls and ignore the ban as well. Before this ban becomes law, they should just insist that they have every right to express themselves however they want. And if they have to, threaten to demand a ban on yaoi/boys love. If guys can't have porn, neither can women. Take that, EN!!
God, I would like to file a bug report.
"the logs show nothing out of order".
Japan says: "I am error"
More like "I am ero"
This is so stifling to creativity I can't imagine that the eroge publishers will stand for this.
One this, is this a voluntary guideline for group members or is this now law? I can see a lot of company's leaving to make games outside the group's restrictions.
As I understand it, it's a voluntary group and unlike here in the US there are several alternative ratings organizations that can be used.
It may be voluntary, but there's a disturbing amount of spinelessness over there especially right now. Which makes it all the more tragic that the maker minori as well has joined the xenophobic, spineless coward, i-hate-my-customers crowd to block everyone else from their site.
Time to boycott them for their cowardice (and their distrust of the public, especially their own foreign customers)... which is too bad, since I enjoyed ef quite a bit. They won't be getting any of my disposable income until they learn to grow some proper balls.
....NOOOOOOOOOO.
That is all.
"practically banning all pictures and text which stray from the missionary position."
Oh wow, hahahahaha so no doggy style? nothing vanilla-kinky like tying each other up with silky handkerchiefs? how about blow jobs, no blow jobs either? And I'm talking about stuff a full-consensual couple can do at home in a romantic setting, even that?
This makes me very sad, very sad indeed.
Student councils are banned!???? BLASPHEMY!
Oh, and no adultery. That would mean that you will HAVE to marry the girl before you can do anything to her. Soooo... that means no more sex scenes until you get a marriage scene?
adultery just means cheating on your wife/husband.
it doesn't mean having sex before getting married.
You have obviously never been to church. Adultery includes all sex outside of marriage.
correction: never been to an english-speaking church.
Adultery doesn't mean all sex outside of marriage; it means being unfaithful to your husband/wife. That's why you shouldn't listen to Christfags for definitions of words.
It's be pretty odd if the Christian God hated all sex outside of marriage, since marriage was originally a pagan ritual that was adapted later by Christians (WAY after God laid out all his rules and pet peeves).
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/adultery
netorare more or less could be the target of this word but thats the way i think of it....
PS: Minori has banned international access to their site
Lol @ christfags using the Church definition of adultery instead the LEGAL one.
Christfags also use the church's theft of the concept of marriage. Transforming it from an economic agreement (as it still is) into some hocus-pocus mumbo-jumbo religious bullshit.
This whole stupid Eroge ban stinks of 'people'. And 'people' are whiny and stupid... why do we listen to 'people'?
I believe you're thinking of Fornication, which does not seem to be on the list.
Hmmmmm I see. Got them mixed up, I guess.
Hudabigbadwolf is right. Free bitchslap bat for use on the Anon/s that screwed up.
Adultery requires one participant to be legally married. It does NOT include fornication, and it is fornication that refers to sex before/outside marriage.
The term extramarital sex applies to adultery. The term premarital sex applies to fornication. Note the prefixes.
So for the Anons thinking they were being smart-ass legal experts, do your fucking research (pun intended).
hehe
loli are banned
so why did they have to point out
>_>
For the love of ....god or whatever...Where will I get my fixes?
Probably from your harddrive. Make sure to accumulate plenty of prOn for later years.
Thank heavens I have a sex fetish? Hmmm...
Damn, stupid humans!
... I am too tired to rage.
I'm also tired but I'm still raging. Damn it I have given up humanity because of idiotic decisions like this and now what? They'll take away hentai. Baah shits.Meh wantz revenge for mai hentai and meh wantz to kill some shitinists >:( kill all feminists for freedomz xD
"banning all pictures and text which stray from the missionary position."
NOOOOOOOO doggy style T.T
All we need is Taokaka style!
Damn Straight!
what does student council have to do with this?
and since girl is banned does that mean that eroges from now on will all be mem on men?
WTF, next thng you know all hentai girls will forced to where veils and be banned for showing their ankles.
That's it, time to re-declare war on Japan.
Declare Japan as Area 11.
ALL HAIL BRITANNIA
*Climbs into Knihtmare Frame*
ALL HAIL BRITANNIA
SIEG ZEON!!!!!!
Just make sure that no witches or exiled Britannian royalty are ever brought to area 11. It could cause a problem.
ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!!!
This will mean war.
It's the beginning of the end.
This 'end' you speak of started a very long time ago. It's just been snowballing out of control to this current point because no one is willing to stand up to 'god-fearing morality.'
People have sex. This is a fact of life. Sometimes they have sex at younger ages, sometimes they don't. Pretending like it doesn't happen won't solve the problem and acting out fantasies relieves stress and makes them, in a healthy minded individual, less likely to act upon certain extreme fetishism.
Things will just spiral out of control like this.
Why should someone care to buy or play an eroge now ?
At this rate all eroge will be banned.
Then what's the point of even allowing the games if they take all that away?
Wow, it's going to be fun playing a game that's 110% real life. Getting nothing at all! Great I can't wait!
Next there will be an eroge where you get friend zone'd, then go home and search for internet porn! It'll be AWESOME!
Oh lawd, I'd play that, if only for the amusement.
Or even better. The girl takes your used condom and shoves it up her you know what. Then you have pay child support in the game and you can't stop playing for another 18 years. Now THAT would be awesome!
After getting into the friend zone your character will start playing eroge which eventually get banned after your character starts loving them. Your character will then be enlightened on of the evils of eroge and will become a functioning member of society, never having sexial urges again now that those terrible eroge have been banned.
That will be the only end to the game, and it will be considered a GOOD END.
Internet porn is next to be banned. You should already see this coming.
No, real life is kinkier than what eroge will be now.
it always was, believe me.. it always was.
Its like the sims!
I lol'd
Why don't we ban sex altogether,than we can all go to violence
This.
Sex is bad it turns straight people gay and gays into Mexicans everyone goes down a notch.
- Peter Griffin -
THIS
So technically, porn will become boring, haha.
one word: ridiculous
i don't get why people can not distinguish from reality and the virtual world
Fucking awesome! Now there will be much more trap games!
This is so sad...I hope something is done about this.
Love is over.
Eroge are not about love.
Neither are the majority of marriages.
Yeah, eroge are about moe, a feeling more pure and noble than that of love.
Simple question:
Well My doujinshi be affected?
Have you guys noticed?
They didnt ban Shota or Yaoi!
FKING FANGIRL FEMINISTS!!!! BURN!!
would you ban something that you fap to? Good thing shota isn't in there.
Why the fuck would you ban all the stuff for the guy and not for the women. Where the equality for the guys?
yeah! where are the... Maleinists??
they are feminists...that is what they do best...ruin men's lives...and keep telling themselves that they are better than men, that they don't need us, that if they get involved with a man it's because they are doing a favor to this guy 'cause he doesn't deserved that much...thanks god that not all the women in the world aren't like that...thanks god that all the women *exept the feminists* are sufficiently smart to distinguish the difference between real life and a game that is just a work of fantasy(even if the real world has the same things sometimes even worse, like rape followed by a murder for exemple...)
'The Feminists' did not pass these rules, they didn't even know most of this stuff existed, they only requested a ban on hardcore rape. The EOCS made up the rest of this shit on their own.
And even then, it was only one particular group of feminists. Plenty of feminists are pro-porn, anti-censorship, and reading this damned site.
You might as well say "This is all the fault of WHITE PEOPLE. Those damned WHITE PEOPLE are ruining our lives." It's hardly all white people who hate hentai, and it's hardly all women or all feminists either.
Sup femnazi
Not all Taliban are like that!
i know that they didn't pass the rules but they were the trigger of all these things...and did u read the part that i said "...distinguish the difference between real life and a game that is just a work of fantasy(even if the real world has the same things sometimes even worse, like rape followed by a murder for exemple…)"...the truth is that these feminists don't seem to see the difference of a game and the real life, and that if they ban(or cause the ban in that case)of something that could be the way that a potencial criminal found out to to relieve his tensions without hurting anyone, this potencial criminal can find another way to do that hurting some innocent women in the process.It's just like the violence in the games like GTA and many other violent games some can see them as one of the causes but in fact they are a way to at least lower a little this problem.
*sorry i didn't know that it was just a particular group i thought that was all of them...now that i know that it was just a particular group i apologize to the rest of them for what i've said before...*
Knew it was gonna go domino effect
I, GOD, DECLARE THAT THIS ANON HOLDS THE TRUTH.
That feminist is right...Japanese are stupid!
Hear that?? Haruhi declared that anon is correct! We must obey our goddess @.@
Dude I don't blame Japanese. You will be banning everything and everyone too just to stop the constant nagging then whining and mass harassment fem-zombie bot email spam war machine too.
Soon, Japan will be a matriarchal society, because the men over there ARE really too weak. The women are like rabid dogs and they smell supple boy-man flesh. We need to get some American born Japanese in there to bitch slap the feminist groups into submission.
Or convert Japan into a halfassed version of Islam.
You should visit Japan and dispense with such notions. Or read more diverse sources of information about the country.
Correction: if you knew anything about Japan, you'd know that, as a whole, most people try to avoid conflict. Japan itself has also historically been *extremely* weak to international pressure.
small penises.
I HATE HOW PEOPLE SAY THAT!!! MY FRIENDS ASSUME I HAVE A SMALL ONE JUST CUZ I'M HALF JAPANESE! WTF RAAAAAAAAAWWWWWRRR!!!
It's probably due to a lack of mainstream attention, since rape and loli do tend to be rather frequent themes. At least things are slightly even in the gender aspect this time by the inclusion of “Reverse” themes (if that is what they mean), but the absence still is suspect.
I wouldn't worry, though. They say the list can be added to. It's probably going to be added in due time.
reverse theme hmm more or less TRAPS are the one in notion here since impossible to be reverse rape...
How is it impossible?
"This will mean war."
Agreed
Against the feminist that is.
Ready your guns and prepare for war against feminists! Even as we SPEAK feminists are preparing themselves for war and are adding more and more to the ban list. Lets kill em before they achieve their goals. Let's kill feminists mostly because they piss us of with their knowledge on what is wrong and what wright.
... Yeah. And you wonder why the stupid feminists got the idea that fans of these games are sick evil fuckheads who present a threat to real women.
Please, boil your testicles and remove yourself from the gene pool.
Well I guess some Anons are stupid enough to not make a difference between a joke and being serious... seriously GTFO xD
How many people here do you think are joking?
You're the reason why people are giving up on Sankaku. You people are too fucking ignorant.
Go read book.
You mean go read a book.
=p
It was sarcasm you fool
No, no, the sarcasm-O-meter has not reacted... was a typo.
Yeah, you is right, I go read book.
And here we see an industry that just committed sepuku.
Their only chance now is to sell direct or via downloads.
goodbye black package try T_T
Where the dogs of society howl...
what kind of bullshit is this... I guess it doesn't look very bright for the eroge industry and eroge fans right now...
Feminists are on the same level as Hitler to me right now..
Hitler took advantage of a Germany that wanted 'revenge' on the majority of europe who had fined and limited their industries and governments, and spread his ideals..
Feminists are taking advantage of a world that is currently unable to speak out their own thoughts, where men are guilty until proven innocent, and blah blah, to spread their ideals..
If they dare do anything to anime and manga... ban ecchi and I will personally make them suffer..
Same level as Hitler? Great! Maybe they'll all an hero pretty soon then eh?
21st Century NAZI..... =3=
And I hope they manage to exterminate you.
Sadly, since there *is* no organised singular feminist movement with a set of ideals that all feminists agree to, it's unlikely that they'll manage to get hold of you to reeducate you.
Forgive me, I lost my composure when I read that anime and manga could be affected.. I would do anything to stop them from doing anything to the Spice and Wolf series..
p.s. my relating them to hitler was meant to be a joke.. well i think it was.
p.s.s. respect your betters..
Yeah, it's okay. Emotions run high a bit at the moment. I'm pissed off too. These regulations are INSANE! I keep thinking it's got to be a bad joke... They can't really mean all this crap...
Now would be an awesome time for the eroge industry to grow a spine and protest this ban before it gets a too solid footing. If they don't, the future of other media (manga & anime) are looking very bleak indeed.
Some of those banned themes are simply way too rediculous though. I mean, of course, pregnancy and pregnant woman simply MUST be banned. I mean, it's basically a sin against God and you'll never see any self-respecting, proper women who's pregnant in real life, right?
... Right?
And nobody has sex for Conception in real life? No, sex is merely a diversion for happily married monogamous couples. Right?
@ Mercure I guess you haven't fuck your wife when she pregnant.. You must be a really evil person..
All anime and manga is solely for porn? Man, what have I been watching?
Nah, go get a life, dumbass.
You might be eating your own words sooner than you think, pal.
You must not watch worthwhile things.
I think the dumbass is the person assuming things. ;)
Thing is, these bans tend to get stretched to the limits. Personally, I don't really play eroge or watch hentai. However, if one thing can get banned, you'll be sure they'll try and stretch it to another. I'm sure Unicef wouldn't mind the good old Sukumizu to dissapear from anime, for instance. ;)
My main issue with the matter however is how they try to force their ideas on everybody with their ban, especially if there's no really reliable research done to support it. I can understand the reasoning behind banning SOME stuff to some extent, but if we look at the list, there's a number of things on there for which I'd love to know the reasoning behind the ban.
I humbly apologise for the fact that I don't like it when people to tell me what to think and/or what I can't and can do. If that makes me a dumbass, I can live with that. I mean hey, I'd rather be a dumbass who thinks for himself than a person who doesn't feel the need to be critical about what people tell him. ;)
Fuck this.
I'm gonna play the Ko.ko.ro... series again.
Now that the full details are out, we can all rage for good reason. This is cluster-bombing every possible thing. This is such cowardice.
One dumb thing in the list, though... "Conception" is kind of what sex was made for. Seems odd to ban it. Then again, I hardly care about that odd choice. They're pretty much banning everything. They need some damn sense.
Ugh, please let this blow over. And soon. This would be like banning all forms of violence except a punch. It's absurd.
I'm not really an eroge fan and have never really played one, but this is an appalling infringement of rights. Everything that started this situation was baseless, the reaction is out of proportion to what started it, nothing is being fought by developers, and this is one of the most insane amounts of censorship I've ever seen.
I swear to god, if this crosses into non-H material, there WILL be a war.
If you live in britain then it practicaly already has crossed over.
Some studios do both. For instance, it would include Tomoyo After, so the same censors would probably check other Key games and then ban Clannad due to the pregnancy.
oh great now a contracted local economy is going to happen and loss of jobs for those who stick with this regulatory group. Does japan really need more unemployed citizens?
It probably bears repeating that this is an industry trade group that rates games for sale in stores. These restrictions will only apply if the makers want to release these games in traditional retail channels. Since this is not "law", there's nothing to stop publishers from releasing "un-rated" works through their own channels that would be exempt from all these regulations. So, this would be mostly a way of driving the "less desirable" parts of the industry further underground.
I realize that it's not as if the above isn't alluded to in the OP, but it's probably worth saying again. And also of course not saying that any of the above makes it "right" either, of course. But it's not necessarily the end of everything as we know it either.
Have you never heard the saying
'give them an inch, they will take a mile'
of course it is uncertian whether it will be as bad as this article makes out, but I remember a week or two ago, when people were mocking feminists for trying to force bans on eroges.. and look now.
apparently retailers will not be selling products if they are not graded <_< so yeah.... there is no leeway for publishers
Oh, For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge's sake! ><
Then games will be sold through non normal channles and well be untill the law pulls its head out of its arse...this could be a lead up to Toshokan Sensō....
How come they're banning "reverse" rape and "reverse" assault? I would have thought they would have enjoyed the girls having the upper hand....
...or is it that they don't wish to see girls portrayed as aggressors either? (Looks to me like "Sugar and Spice and All Things Nice" syndrome)
Well, gee. Perhaps because the only thing the *feminists* asked for was a ban on *rape*?
Rape. Not "rape of women". Rape. Strangely enough, some people seem to think that rape is a bad thing and it shouldn't be glamorised. (Now, they're still stupid, because fantasy is not reality and people playing rape porn do not necessarily have any desire to rape in real life.)
Considering the number of people who immediately laughed and mocked that "sure, they only want us to stop raping women, but they'll LOVE it when men get raped" it's sadly telling that when this turns out to be a load of bullcrap made up by people who hate feminists, they STILL get mocked.
OTOH, remember that this long list of new bans was NOT proposed by the feminist groups AT ALL. The only thing they asked for was to stop the rape. The EOCS is making the rest of this stuff up. Why? I don't know.
Equality Now asked in their letters that Japan ban eroge that involve rape and sexual violence against women. They said NOTHING about the rape of men and they said NOTHING about rape in general, they SPECIFICALLY said rape of women. I would suggest you read their letters before claiming what the feminists were saying (you can find the letters on their website). The letters go on and on about treating women as equals to men but only complains about women being sexual victims in eroge even though there are plenty of eroge where men are also victims (Discipline is a good example of an eroge that prominently features both men and women being drugged and raped and also features almost all of the things included on EOCS's list).
EOCS is making this new list because now that Equality Now has made eroge look like something that encourages sexual crimes, they want to be safe and not piss anyone off.
It would be funny to publish a version of the Bible that follows the above rules.
Eroge already has a bible however and you can be sure that it goes against this list.
Banning Loli is the best thing to happen to the Internet.
Go fuck yourself
Lolicon.
It has a nicer ring than pedophile, doesn't it?
Not age makes a loli, but style of drawing - according to what I've experienced so far. So not necessarily pedophile.
That's just an stupid Western deviation.
Loli = underage. And most lolies Westerners appreciates have the body of a 13/12 year old, not that of a 7~10 year old.
Oh, well, have fun being a smart Eastern pedophile.
7:18 anony: You're telling me you've never seen lolicon apparently.
Your death would be the best thing to happen to the society.
troll harder daddy
D=... How can one even think to say something so blasphemous?! Its just so... uncomprehendable that one could say this...
Kill this Anonymous.KILL HIIIM!!!
my hero!
Troll Anon #1, is that you too?
i'm gonna cry.
just release it from somewhere else, fuck these kinds of regulations. it's simple discrimination against us sexual deviants.
Is this a joke?
"Girl?" As in, girl-on-girl? Because that would be going TOO FAR.
I'm mildly saddened about incest, too, but hot all-girl incest scenes were already so few and far between anyway. I'll live.
No, if I'm not mistaken by "girl" (Shoujo) they mean young girls. High school age. With that, along with the "student council" one (WTF?!), that's pretty much game over for any high school themed games.
Girl just means "girl" along the same lines as English, with the implication of youth.
What a relief!
Relief? Just old infertile hags no in missionary position. So that those feminists can identify themselves with those games.
lol these feminists (female supremacists) aren't getting laid. What self respecting man would approach one for a relationship.
So, basically, your response to "Please stop fetishizing rape" is "lol ur an ugly infertile lesbian who can't get laid".
Certainly no self-respecting woman would approach you for a relationship, which is probably why you're so upset about people taking your fap material away.
I guess the only type of eroge that will be available are 30 year old and up wife and hubby humping each other xD
Fetishes come in all varieties, some of which are based on exerting power over others. It is a fundamental aspect of human nature and expressing it in a consenting relationship or in art of any form is much better then in actual violence.
I'm angry. Extremely angry. About a lot of things. I'm angry that in society today a twat like you can sit up on their high horse and support blatant sexual repression and feel they are morally in the right. I'm angry that anti-sexism has become a banner under which y-chromosome hating bastards can gather and bash men because believe me there is nearly never any sexism legislation, lawsuit, help group designed to protect men. Society is gradually growing more and more sexist and is alarms me that it's being allowed to happen with barely any notice yet you, anonymous twat, can sit there on your high horse and berate me for not repressing my sexuality.
I hope what a wrote bothers you. I doubt it'll change your mind but I hope it'll annoy you and niggle at you and that it'll steam you up and make you angry. I hope it raised your blood pressure a little. Consider it my own little piece of revenge for people like you who allow our world to go to hell.
tl;dr
Jake is the best poster!
Could it reach the manga/anime spectrum? Not likely.
Unless the regulators of those industries go along as well.
My questions:
WTF does "Student Council" refer to? Does "bestiality" include kemonomimi?
Anyway, can't see the game industries affected by these guidelines to prosper. In the end, it all comes down to popular demand and profits, not what some activists and politicians have to say.
Actually, that's all the more reason for this to go ahead. What better way to make more money than to make it more mainstream? Think about (non-porn) films and TV. They couldn't have explicit rape or anything in; even penetration or an erection. They're far more mainstream and make far more money that something like "Suck My Squirt 23".
Also, what they're probably thinking is that this'll mean it'll be more acceptable outside of Japan. Eroge have never taken off in the Americas or Europe. Apart from the fact that people in the west seem, over all, less desperate and therefore less willing to touch themselves while looking at drawings, there's also the fact that our governments and institutions would never let something in which you rape a little girl into the shops. They take away all the weird shit that Japan is pretty much alone in allowing, and - if it works - eroge will be WAY more popular outside of Japan.
It wouldn't change their image over night either.
All that matters is that they will loose some of their buyers NOW since their "usual" customers' interest on their products would go down the drain.
But surely you must realise that many of the best selling VNs don't have sex in, have an option to turn sex off and also get totally non-H re-releases on consoles? Where they make a lot more money, I might add.
The text Type-Moon game, a prequel to Tsukihime, has no sex in at all. This will stop the cheap shitty little VNs that have to depend on rape (and so on) to sell, but it's not as if stuff like Tsukihime, F/SN, Kana Little Sister and Saya no Uta (for just some examples) would lose anything by not having sex in. Then you have stuff like Higurashi and Umineko that don't have any sex in at all.
So it's basically just taking the trashy VNs that depend on porn to sell (to a small number of ronery Jap virgins) and bringing them more in-line with western porn (so they maybe can get worldwide releases) but all the actually good ones won't be damaged one bit anyway.
Why are you comparing western porn to japanese porn? They're very different. It's pointless to discuss about it.
Also, westernizing merchandise might make it more popular in the U.S., but their main business is local, within the country, so it wouldn't matter. And why are you mentioning Higurashi? That's not related to eroge at all, so they're not affected by any of this.
Hmph not all eroge VNs that got lolis, incest and rape in them are shitty. Where do you get your facts from?
Saya no Uta doesn't depend on sex? Without you have a madman and a monster obcessed with each other and killing people without any decent back story.
I meant to write "without it".
certainly the anon at 24-06-2009 05:36
you just decided to stick with the bandwagon of games for eroges <_< unless your willing to look further that the H scenes are your just rewards on a good back story and drama unless your talking about rape themed which is well yeah rape..., this has been proven for quite some while like ef-the latter tale GOD DAMN YUUKO!!!! Y_Y anyway then theres Fortune Arterial this are some of the games that give you the pleasure on accomplishing good stories 11eyes from Lass for one (though i cant say the story is good but its revolutionary)
I find western porn very unappealing (for the most part). Seeing some slut get rammed up the butt for twenty minutes by an ugly biker dude while screaming profanity isn't exactly my idea of "erotic".
Then again, I'm apparently just a sick perv, so what do I know?
Eroge should never go outside of japan. Remember, its is because of rapelay going outside of Japan that caused the ban on rape.
Wait, then you mean to say that you yourself live at Japan, right?
No, it was because some populist British politicians got a hold of something "scandalous" (in the minds of idle frigid fat mothers and flaccid conservative men) to boost their popularity in any upcoming election.
Remember, Rapelay was NEVER released outside of Japan! It is all the fault of politicians, conservative British society and EqualityNow with all them having nothing better to do.
So do you think this'll inspire you guys to actually have sex with an actual girl, so you can actually live out your fantasies rather than fapping over (heavily censored) drawings of them..? Nope, didn't think so.
nope that will never happen whats good about fantasy is the versatility that you cant do in real life <_< FIGURES!
This inspires me to rape Equality Now members (whether male or female).
Gang rape AND gangbang? I don't even...
There's still onanism, unless I missed it.
The Eroge business is going to be dead if this thing pulls through. The doujinshi business is going to have some problems too since a lot of people usually have those kinds of things in their work like "lolis, torture(BDSM), gang rape, and violations" since most ero doujins don't really have consent of both people (in the beginning anyhow).
Loli will be dodged with the same excuse as ever. She's 18. \o/
Why the fuck is "Girl" banned?
I think that's one that Artefact was talking about when he said "Some terms do not have clear English equivalents".
It might have meant girl-on-girl, but honestly it can't mean banning girls entirely...
Or maybe it DOES! Maybe that's why there's no homosexuality ban! They want all eroge to become YAOI-ONLY!
Then nobody but Yaoi-fangirls will be playing eroge.
Thank you for adding an unnecessary explanation of the obvious end result of my facetious conjecture.
What's so facetious about it? It's a *femnist* group, who's trying to ban (or at least push out of retail sales and into direct-sales) everything but shota and yaoi. I'm not sure which is the worse image for Japanese game sellers, really--racks of regular eroge, or racks of *nothing* but homosexual male H-games...
I guess you took me seriously, then. I was just being sarcastic.
Being completely honest, it actually could be likely given where the pressure started from, but it really is just the lack of yaoi as being very visible or mainstream. It's probably going to be in just as much trouble if its makers are just as spineless.
But, yeah. Not to sound snippy, I thought you were just trolling to ruin the joke. I am wary of Anonymous sometimes.
You're not the same person, I just noticed.
/facepalm @ self
Now wouldn't that be a sight to see...
I usually dont comment... but wow, just wow. japan can go fuck really go fuck themselves now.
They would, if they could, but... fucking yourself is also banned! ヽ(ｏ`皿′ｏ)ﾉ
lol
i cried
It's pretty obvious this isn't official and that a lot of it is very context sensitive. Obviously, they're not banning "girls" from eroge; shoujo can also mean "daughter" and "little girl" as well as "virgin", but then "otome" is more used for the last one.
Otome implies to a maiden-like figure. Also virgin would be properly romanized better as shojo, more than shoujo or shōjo.
Also, no shoujo in games? Heh.. Let's see what'll happen with that...
When eroge are outlawed, only outlaws will produce and play eroge.
Looks like I'm an outlaw then. Lump me and my fetishes as more evil than IRL sex crimes, go ahead. Just don't expect to take me down without a fight.
I will distribute. I will support the makers. I will learn to code these games and make my own. I will inform others and get them to join. We'll rise from the underground once more.
Am I angry? Yeah. Am I going to give up? Hell no. This just pushes me to fight further and aim for those that would rail against us. Anger will lead us not to victory, so it's time to get creative and time to get cracking. Let's show them how a pervert works around here. Turn that anger into fuel for our fire and let us rise to glory once more.
Who's with me?
Yea.. I'm with you bud.
I'm with you.
~ I'm with you!
Count me in. The underground always did suit me better. Also...
ALL HAIL ATMA! o/
I will follow you anywhere, my liege.
Me,it's like they practicly banned me.Me calling myself a hentai god.I can't allow such a thing,hentai is like unlimitied variarities.
Already sending waves of bad affection and impotence on those people XD.
Also hentai should be a religion i say!
lol, reminds me of that image macro:
"YOUR RESISTANCE ONLY MAKES MY PENIS HARDER"
but yeah, you have my sword.
And my axe ?
And my bow!
and all the net lurking power you need
My 7 DragonBallz?
Your wish is my command.
You have my Blade xD. BTW am I the only person here that thinks that this will lead to WW3? xD or perhaps the end of the world? xD Though both of these will be a kind of salvation for us otakus xD
I can't turn my back to this. I'm in too.
I'll support you, all the way into hell and back. But I like the back part, it sounds good, let's keep that part.
I'm with you.
I am with you, BTW as always I must remember you that Mexico doesn't have these kind of laws, that means there might be a way to make use of my country to support your movement.
I'm not really interested in the games themselves and I wouldn't miss them, or 98% of the anime they spawn. It just the overwhelming, instant roll over and self destruct approach of a censorship body that worries me.
Would the people checking stop at eroge or would it creep into VN and further.
You have my Neo Armstrong Cyclone Jet Armstrong Cannon
YAY ! \o/
Looks like there's already a whole lotta people on this, well i'm also all with you Atma nee-chan your wish is my command !
Damn yeah I'm with you!
Right behind you dude
Count me in, Lady Atma. Let's start an Underground Rebellion brigade of our very own Eroge to counter this ban~!!
Come, my brethren!
*Dons a familiar red cape and red, pointy sunglasses*
The revolution awaits us!
4chan made one, so it shouldn't be that hard if you can assemble a good team. Should be a lot of computer/drawing/writing geeks that are into eroge ;)
MOVE 'ZIG' FOR GREAT JUSTICE!!
looks like I have to start archiving every lolis I can get for future uses, and for the future generation.
...
"Here son, I think its about time you have these"
"What is it pa?"
"Well son, its my collection of drawings of little girls in erotic poses and even being raped. They served me well and I hope they served you well."
"Aww, thanks pa."
"No problem son."
"Hey pa..."
"Yes son?"
"This ones a boy..."
"I know son..."
"..."
lol!
ROFLMFAO!!!
HAHAHA I lol'd so fuking hard on the last two lines, that was great thanks
*bows*
Oh wow i lold hard
Only this shitty site would compare this to the Taliban; they'd actually not care about rape and gangbangs but would certainly ban anything homosexual. They also rape little kids as well, so you'd still have your loli. So really, what they've banned is the sorts of things the Taliban don't mind - in fact, what they do every day. But then Artefact does seem to be aspiring to one day write for The Sun.
uhm..that was THE POINT of using the word "taliban"
what's wrong anon
can't take a joke?
The reference to the Taliban is to liken feminists with any other group that pushes their "morality" onto others. Would you rather he said Nazi?
Does this mean that J-list can't sell erogames anymore?
I don't think J-list is directly affected by this. There might be less new games up for sale on their site in the (distant) future though.
Nice avatar mate.
Right, like the anime industry is really going to go ahead and let draconian bullshit like this take over their territory.
Sorry feminists, but this shit has already been tried here in the United States and in Canada for pornography and it failed big time. Take your overempowered ego's and take it to some over conservative region such as Afghanistan where someone might appreciate such actions.
Really? No Conception? Girl? Who made this list? Not only will this get largely ignored by the gray market doujin creators at Comiket (who I consider to have the largest influence when it comes to creative content in Japan) but the publishers themselves will realize that these "rules" may very well start affecting their non-2D pornography materials that they sell in the very same stores.
Dude, in Afghanistan rape, child prostitution and other things are all over the place. There's also zero women's rights, so any sort of "feminist agenda", as Artefact puts it, with all the grace of an angry 14-year-old boy, would work LEAST OF ALL there. It's because these countries are advanced and relatively free that they're banning things that offend the majority; you know, that crazy thing called democracy. Democracy doesn't serve the sordid desires of a few fuck ups, it's all about the majority.
Also, what do you mean "they TRIED this shit in America"? Last time I checked, you don't get legally sold child porn or rape porn in the US.
Maybe if you learned about pornographic history in the US and Canada and their run-in with feminists you would have a small clue as to what you are talking about.
The "ban" list gives more than "child porn or rape porn", such as Bondage, Assault, Conception porn which are all legal in the US and Canada. Throat gagging and "gangbang princess 4" can be considered "Assault". Any derogatory presentation of females involving sexual acts were to be banned in the United States and was actually somewhat successful in Canada until the courts ruled the ban to be meaningless
Democracy would only serve the majority in a country where it works perfectly, without pressure groups, the press and influential religious, military and business people influencing it.
Can anyone name one country that fits the above?
Tuvalu?
Why are you saying "sorry feminists"? They didn't come up with this list of stuff. The EOCS did. All the feminists (or rather, one particular group of feminists, since there are plenty of feminists with different opinions) asked for was to stop the rape-themed games.
Give an inch, they'll take a mile.
Their actions brought a chain-reaction screwing freedom of speech and all fiction. As was said again and again, you can't just "stop" one thing in fiction just because YOU don't like it and expect only what you like or "don't care about" to sta