Osaka Mulls Loli Ban “Free Speech More Harm Than Good?”

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Osaka’s governor has told press the city “will consider” whether a Tokyo-style ban on “harmful” materials is required in order to protect the precious children.

Governor Tōru Hashimoto, a lawyer and TV personality connected to the LDP, and at age 40 Japan’s youngest governor, had this to say:

“We have to be prudent with regards to freedom of speech. What’s important is to establish the reality of the situation.

If it does more harm than good, freedom of speech is not an absolute.”

This sudden anti-manga outburst is apparently intended to emulate the proposed Tokyo loli ban; bans in both Tokyo and Osaka are apparently intended to usher in a new golden age in which children are finally free from the abuse of their manga-addled parents and teachers.

With Japan’s rightist politicians seemingly having decided the cure for the nation’s ills is a return to pre-war fascism, and with the left apparently desperate to cozy up to China, the future of freedom of expression in Japan does not appear to be in the safest possible hands.


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    Comment by Anonymous
    23:30 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "If it does more harm than good, freedom of speech is not an absolute."
    I'm sorry but that's not how free nations work, mister Touru.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:47 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sounds like that quote was made in China

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    Comment by EleutheroZeroONE
    00:53 21/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And he's an LDP brat!

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:42 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Lacking its own ingenuity, the parasite fears the visionary. What it cannot plagiarize, it seeks to censor. What it cannot regulate, it seeks to ban."

    Andrew Ryan, Bioshock 2

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:40 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "An artist strives to frame his ideals in an image; to challenge his audience and to make his vision immortal. But the parasites say 'no, your art must serve the cause... your ideals endanger the people!'"

    Andrew Ryan, Bioshock 2

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:15 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol So...no more drawing 10yr olds having sex, but SAYING they're actually thousands of years old and just PREFER to act like 10 year olds? Damn. Long live child por...I mean...lolicon! (And yeah, I know that's the extreme, but really, come on.)

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:51 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    if they are actually thousands of years old then how are they 10? How old are you and you still come to this site which, to most people, is considered for children only liek all anime\manga\games.

    Ever read Interview with a Vampire? You know, an actual book? It also has a child that is hundreds of years old and all the problems that can cause.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:53 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Agreed

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:39 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't remember child pron in Interview...I'll have to check again.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:06 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hey, the thing in Tokyo has been defused for now, thanks to the help of the manga-ka and seiyuus, maybe the same can happen in Osaka.

    Assemble your team. Fight for the lolis!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:05 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    what's up with her illuminati guitar?

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:03 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Can a loli manga ban actually work? If a potential outlet for lolicons is removed, there is a stronger possibility of actual loli crimes increasing...

    Anyway, Osaka is a backward city in Japan and has been noted for their oddities in the past.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:27 26/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Thats my main fear for this, if whats keeping most potential child rapists in check is loli manga/anime, if you take that away, are they gonna turn to the real thing next? well if this passes and you see a rise in child sex crimes, i guess we know i'm right.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:19 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    What part of child pornography - or deleting a comment pointing said thing out - is free speech?

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:12 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    What part of child pornography is free speech?

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    Comment by Vesper_nova
    22:56 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    the difference is between saying it and doing it. you can say it but you can't do it. besides loli isn't just about sex. it's about characters depicted between the ages 13 to 18. it's about fully clothed, partly clothed, or nude. it covers manga, anime, video games and fan bases subjects. it has started with astroboy and has ended with the latest released anime/manga series. and has been a major part of anime/Manga history
    CP however cover only real children in the age group of 5 to 12 and is illegal because in order to get CP you need real C
    Please refrain from mixing Loli with CP you'll hurt our cause

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:31 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The freedom to speak without censorship.

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    Comment by EleutheroZeroONE
    20:55 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Osaka needs a NEW Governor!

    RECALL! RECALL! RECALL!

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:51 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Does anyone else thing an Azumanga pic of a terrified Osaka would be a more appropriate pic?

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:56 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    What I think many of you overlook is the fact that one such ban always leads to more. Well, we banned loli now lets head towards young guys coming of age. Ok, now leads head off to anything that involves killing like nearly any game ever made.

    No, we don't want people to say bad things about us so let's stop that as well. And so on. Far fetched? Not really. Not when we are in a world where people are concerned about the safety of FICTIONAL characters.

    They are REAL fictional characters in REAL fictional danger!!! Humanity disgusts me.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:53 21/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    tonterias con eso incubren su inefisiencia para vuscar a los verdaderos delincunte, la ficcion es ficcionl, la culpa es de los padres que no enseñan a sus hijoas a dintinguir entre la ficcion y la realidad

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:43 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Who is the character in the image at the top of this post? I've seen this same character on several loli-related Sankaku articles recently.

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    Comment by Fonzer
    00:18 21/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    beako if you mean the op pic

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:07 14/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    1. the only thing this does is encouraging it
    2. this only happens when people cant restrict themselves, fucking weaklings

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    Comment by Reichi
    12:21 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Pfft. He's the youngest governor. Of course he's not old enough to appreciate a good loli.

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    Comment by EleutheroZeroONE
    00:56 21/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    AND a Liberal-Democratic Party brat to boot!

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    Comment by kajunbowser
    11:54 24/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh, that's why!

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:18 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Japan has some pretty fucked up problems and going all serious about something this silly, protecting the 2D kids and shit, is really beyond the regular think about the children bullshit.

    Personally I think they are all stuck in some sort of nationwide super denial syndrome. Trying to escape a reality where girls are killed raped or hired willingly as prostitutes by pretending there is some sort of weird problem with 2D that can be so easily fixed with a mere ban.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:30 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    They can ban all they wants, but the can't ban the loli theater in my head.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:39 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Those old baggy women are retarded, they could've gotten themselves 15' dildos with that kinda money. I'm sure they had more than enough money for 2-per-member.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:42 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Honestly? A lot of you don't seem to believe that there could be the existence of a lolicon who likes 2D loli who in turn would prey on real-life lolis. I don't give a shit if that type of lolicon is a minority. Exposure to such material increases the chance of something arguably dangerous [eg unconsented sex] happening in the real world.

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    Comment by MechaTama31
    09:34 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    So I guess you don't think people should be allowed to drive cars, right? Because of the chance that there could be an accident, maybe even a fatal one? Hell, better not let people go outside, either. There's a chance something bad might happen. Of course, accidents happen in the home, too. So we should lock everyone up and protect them from themselves. All except the few, brave souls willing to take the risk and do the protecting, of course.

    Absurd? Yes. So is what you're saying. Freedom is vital. If people are abusing that freedom, you punish the abusers. You don't take away the freedom.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:06 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I propose a ban on politicians trying to prove how dumb they are one after another.

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    Comment by Shadow-Phoenix
    12:19 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I wish that too.

    But that can never happen for you see they are what you call elites who stay at the top of the food chain.

    Its been like this for many centuries.

    How i would love to see Guns of the Patriots method of solving trivial problems, because that would involve 5 AI's solving the problems correctly by priority.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:34 26/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    even if you manage to pass something like that, it will never fix, as long as humans aspire to be greater than one another, this problem shall always exist. makes you wonder that when we come to the age of robots and stuff like that, if we will end up like I-Robot.

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    Comment by thenightsshadow
    18:10 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I swear, when I saw this post on Twitter, I thought it said "Obama" instead of "Osaka".

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:23 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This whole thing is shit, its basically we don't want you looking at that and we say its wrong becau- BECAUSE I SAID SO OKAY thats basically what they're saying, if someone walked up to you and said they think someone like Angelina Jolie was hot you'd consider it normal even if you think she's butt ugly, but on the other hand when it happens with fake things, they fucking outrage over it, this is just society trying to force everyone to be the same and have the same tastes, humans don't have morals they invented them and use them to lie to themselves telling them they care about things and certain things are wrong.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:07 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And that's where the problem lies. They're focusing way too much on 2D and almost completely forgetting about 3D. Say for a moment that they actually do get a ban across and make possessing loli illegal. The only thing that'll likely happen is that the loli-raep rates might actually GO UP and people still pass shitloads of loli around through the net, just not publically anymore (ie - bookstores, stands, etc).

    Once their plan ultimately fails (which i guarantee you it will), then what's next? Complete internet dictatorship?

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    Comment by Chen-04
    16:44 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    >Complete internet dictatorship?

    It's going to happen yes. Personally I thought it would be better to ban children from the web, but I think they rather ban everything on the net to make it absolutely child-safe. (Once they can actually do that, anyway.)

    That's why,.. better fukken download everything you need today, tomorrow the internet could be unusable!

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:07 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not from sex no but from rape yes?

    They just need to spot with the 2D and work on the 3D.

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    Comment by Chen-04
    21:37 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And people getting pissed did help.. when? It's like with the frog and water. If je jumps in hot water he feels the need to leave immediately, but if je jumps in normal water that is heated over a long period of time, he won't even notice that the water is getting hotter and hotter. Finally he dies.

    It's the same thing. First ban child pornography, than ban more, like fictional child pornography. Maybe this time the water was heated too quickly, but banning child pornography was the first step to boiling water. And who would want to realize something like this? CP is a bad thing, after all, or is it? Thing is, morality isn't that easy like people make it sound like.

    But imagine some politicians actually having a button to cut you or material they don't like, off of the internet. They would make bad use of it, I'm sure. Oh,.. and hear this. They already have such a button for child pornography! Surely you understand, that it is impossible for you to check if they really banned child pornography, as that would mean that you are a pedo. Why else would you want to check if the child pornography they have banned is really child pornography and not some other site they didn't like?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:48 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sorry, Chen, but that is never going to happen.... in the United States and other countries people are getting SERIOUSLY FUCKING PISSED OFF at this insanity, and are starting to push back more and more.

    What we really need is to, when anyone uses that 'save the children' bullshit.... to kick them in the ass!

    Children DON'T NEED SAVED FROM SEX! They don't need PROTECTED from sex.... need I keep going on?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:36 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Complete dictatorship.

    *fixed

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:24 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    D: I live in Osaka!

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    Comment by Zuan
    15:21 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Is it not funny the go lengths to ban this when stuff like http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/03/17/girls-mount-huge-penis-as-crowd-looks-on-uncensored/ is happening as a part of the culture. I dunno about you but a loli eating a penis shaped food item and sucking on a penis shape food item should be of greater importance than 2d.

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    Comment by NakkiNyan
    15:38 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Good I'm not the only one who thought this ...

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:53 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    but if she's real, not imaginary. If that was in a manga... we'd have to ban it. Once we have protected all the lolis in your imagination, then we can focus on the real world! Priorities!

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    Comment by motaku96
    15:17 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I agree that there are times when freedom of speech should be curtailed for the safety of the masses. This isn't one of those times.

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    Comment by drunkspiderman667
    15:31 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    this sucks sooo much.

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    Comment by Panik
    15:35 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If I have to draw my own loli I will. Don't fucking test me!

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    Comment by NakkiNyan
    15:39 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You will ship to the US right?

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    Comment by TehBoringOne
    16:32 19/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Why don't you learn to draw? That way, you can do anything you want, and fuck censorship like you never imagined...

    Comment by announ
    03:10 20/03/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not at all if you don't have the right to show it.





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