An extreme stealth ban on loli material extending to “clothing or voices reminiscent of a person under the age of 18” has been proposed as an amendment to Tokyo’s regional laws, with clear nationwide implications.
A summary of the relevant passages from the proposed amendment:
Any literature or film which might be thought to constitute a depiction of sexual activity involving or apparently involving a person under 18, someone dressed in a manner reminiscent of an under-18, or who speaks like an under-18, may not in Tokyo be viewed by or sold or distributed to any young person.
A direct translation of the heavy legalese, from the Tokyo Metropolitan Area Youth Protection Ordinance Reform Bill:
Section 3: Restriction of the Sale of Unhealthy Literature
[A ban on sales, lending or distribution to, or viewing by, minors in the Tokyo area would cover:]
1. Items which stimulate sexual emotions, foster cruelty, encourage suicide or promote crime, or otherwise impede the healthy growth of youth. [This clause is identical to current legislation]
2. Items which through age, clothing, accessories, school year, setting, other people’s ages, or voice, seems reminiscent of a person who might be recognised as an under-18 (hereafter called a “a fictional minor”) engaged in, or appearing to be engaged in, sexual activity or activity resembling sexual activity, or which impede the development of healthy sexual faculties in youths, or which might be feared to obstruct the healthy development of youths.
This is indeed as vague, subjective and sweeping as it appears. A similar clause bans “anything resembling rape.”
Although phrased as a ban on sales and distribution to under-18s, the ramifications would be far more severe – anything which might fall foul of the incredibly vague and ambiguous definition of “unhealthy material” given above would likely have to either be censored completely or take an “adult mark” and be treated as age-restricted adult material throughout the Tokyo area.
Tokyo is of course where most anime, manga and games are made and sold – any such restrictions would undoubtedly cause a drastic reduction in sales and consequently production, with nationwide implications.
The ban would also extend to Internet distribution, though whether just to Tokyo minors or also by Tokyo companies to minors elsewhere is not clear. Presumably television would also be within the remit of the ban as well.
The reform bill also proposes to “make possession of child pornography by Tokyo residents illegal,” apparently vaguely defined to include the above sort of material, which opponents are increasingly attempting to brand “virtual child pornography.” However, no criminal sanction is proposed or legally possible, so this particular amendment would appear to be entirely toothless.
Other proposed changes to Tokyo law include attempts to force Internet censorship of “unhealthy” sites for minors (such filtering is already semi-compulsory) by a variety of measures, such as by stripping parents of the right to unfilter their children’s Internet and mobile phone access.
It is not clear what chance the proposal has of being accepted as law at this stage, or whether it could survive concerted legal challenge; protests by publishing industry and union groups have so far been ignored. Those pushing the laws have previously called otaku opponents “mentally ill” and so seem unlikely to heed criticism.
Frustrated at the national level by constitutional protections and political ambivalence, opponents of free expression and sexuality, in large part extremist Christian and feminist groups, have been working to ban material they object to by the backdoor – a ban of such sweeping magnitude would cripple the publishing and Internet industries of Tokyo, as well as crush freedom of expression in Tokyo, and by extension all of Japan.
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Censorship comes in. Crime rate goes up. Ad infinitum to create more crime waves that are blamed on innocent Otaku.
The end is nigh. The download rush begins.
Soon otakus will build a haven.
There is the well-known novel in Japan which describes the kinky sexual activity.
Title -"Taiyo-no-kisetsu"(La Saison du soleil).
Author - Taro Ishihara, the present governor of Tokyo...
Sorry.I mistook.
Not Taro Ishihara. Correct name is Shintaro Ishihara.
Did someone think about the sex dolls ? What will happen to them ? They all look like 16.
Next step should be to ban "moe" and make again good animes :)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO........It's bad enough not being able to watch child porn legally, but now this?? Why world?? why??? what did I do to deserve this...
If this goes through I may have to resort to a suicide bombing...... for the good of lolicon's everywhere.
fuck you if you even want to watch cp. fucking sicko. Loli isn't just a different ballpark, it's a different universe than cp.
Unfortunately, the Shogunate was not thorough enough in his purges...lol..
>which might be feared to obstruct the healthy development
That'd be the most absurd law ever. "hey we can't prove it but it's still illegal"
Let's not forget the governor of Tokyo, Shintarou Ishihara, the biggest fascist figure in Japan.
I should say that one of the biggest factors of Japan banning pedophilic materials are conservative bigwigs in Tokyo city hall, which is directly connected to the Diet.
That's it. I'm moving out of Tokyo.
MUST NOT LET IT PASS!
They obviously do not understand the seriousness of this situation.
Once the ban is fixed, suicides will rise hundred-fold
"Do you know what kind of suicide rate we'd have if all the lolicons killed themselves?"
"And acceptable one."
lolicons are people too. and maybe there are better than other people .?
There is no "good" or "bad". It's relative.
My name? Captain Obvious.
No, I don't think either of those are the case.
I vote that we ban banning.
with the low birth rates in Japan, they should encourage young people to fuck more, not to turn them into asexual robots. Even more, the younger they start fuckig i.e: 16yo, the better. Cause the older they get, the more aware they will be about the stupidity of becoming fathers.
chalk up one more point for dictatorship and loss of free speach
This law seems self destructive both for Japan and the political careers of those pushing them if you ask me.
wish for a Bund for lolicons?
That's globalization for you...
As someone ignorant of the circumstances, I wonder if relocation to elsewhere in Japan by the relevent businesses is plausible?
Most loli manga/anime are already sold sealed with "adult marks" on. And the other stuff about clothing and voices is just absurd and would impinge on the rights of adults. So, I can't see how this could pass a constitutional test. These moral maniacs are making themselves increasingly unpopular in Japan. So with any luck, it will get trashed ....
Well this is retarded...
I'm very anti CP, well, I'm technically anti adult porn. lol. But it's legal and none of my business. (see that retarded governments of the world? It's not your business.) I especially hate the idea of children being hurt, corrupted, etc etc. But good grief this is ANIME and COMICS! It's not fucking real!
Whats wrong with people? Seriously? How bout they just bad CP. Y'know, sex trafficking, kidnapping and raping children - oh wait. That IS illegal. As is MOST violent crime.
To some of the arguments about going underground: yes, people still will. And live in fear. Never knowing if some government goon is gonna show up at your door to arrest you years later, or a friend is gonna go tattle because you didnt like the loli on your PC showing off her pantsu.
Yes, yes, yes. Creepy men. Blah blah blah. Men have always been creepy. Want to know how to handle it? Some dude sticks his finger in your kids butt JUST SHOOT THE FUCKER. Someone checks out your kids butt? Whap him upside the head and theaten to shoot him with a smile XD
Damn feminists. Do women want to be men THAT BADLY? I understand the movement way back when - men were loosers and the women needed to be able to take care of themselves. But good GOD did they go overboard. Maybe so many dudes wouldnt like little girls if the ADULT females were still willing to BE girls. And maybe women would like men if they grew up and acted like men? Doubtfull on that last part. Boys dont like girls (aka shemales) and girls dont like boys. Women dont want husbands, or equals or w/e. They want pets.
Unless you punch the bitch in the head and cheat on her and do drugs and go to jail and have no job. Then she'll stay with you forever... But I digress!
Feminists and FALSE christians are destroying the world. You cant decide for everyone on the planet whats good and bad by pointing a gun at their heads. History shows that repeatedly. Make laws. And do your best to keep the country moving, and punish dumb assess accordingly.
I could rant on this crap forever... Somethings are just common sense to be wrong. Trying to micro manage each breath, thought and movement of the citizens in your countries is IMPOSSIBLE and a waste of time. All it does is HELP criminals and hinders the good guys. The Yakuza could just take up the anime business, doubt they mind the extra cash.
It's like Obamma's (or however the hell our presidents name is spelled. Dont really care) retarded gun laws / views. The people out there commiting crimes and all these murders with guns arnt buying the fucking things legally to begin with. Someone wants to go kill a fellow gang banger aint filling out his background check forms - he's buying it in an ally.
As is, there are still SOME rules companies have to follow to publish their loli stuff. If it goes illegal does the ruling whatever of japan REAAAAALLY think whomever takes up the industry in the shadows is going to even attempt to adhere to not pissing off the public? AKA "where get a 22 year old to do the voice acting for the loli rape seen! Lets get a 8 year old and record her screaming while we really rape her!"
...... Morons. Real criminals dont abide by the laws to begin with. They think they are protecting kids? They are painting fucking targets on their backs!
"...... Morons. Real criminals dont abide by the laws to begin with. They think they are protecting kids? They are painting fucking targets on their backs!"
Lolz yeah I agree. Take away lolicon... "What! Potential Pedophile is evolving!?!?... Potential Pedophile has evolved into True Pedophile!!"
Then again, this probably never would've happened if loli was banned or never existed in the first place. I dunno, a have mixed feelings about this...
no loli=no life
2chan, don't fail us now. Oppose this bill as hard as you can.
Anon will hijack Hive Mind sooner or later...
however as long as this could be a show off only bill it should be relatively safe well another thing is that as long as there is no legal sanction then so it could be a pointless bill thats only there for show
That new anti-CP team that just formed last fortnight is probably behind this!
UNICEF Japan's "Illwill Ambassador" Agnes Chan is ON that team!
DAMN THAT SPROG QUEEN!
Osama pls protect them lolis!
Nice try.
The last anyone saw Bin Laden, he was balls-deep in his goat's ass.
I thought Bin Laden was into camels.
There's a big height difference.
That, and the mountainous terrain makes it hard to keep a harem of that sort.
Sad day, I'm crossing my fingers so this doesn't pass. What are we to do without loli manga??
I wonder how is this gonna affect COMIKET conventions...
I guess business in that single event will be seriously curtailed.
I mean c'mon... COMIKET is the biggest publication convention in the world! I think the people running COMIKET should start handing out PETETIONS to stop Restriction of the Sale of Unhealthy Literature bill.
I guess it will be moved to another city. a big loss for Tokyo, but well - they wanted it.
Well, I rememnber Artefact wrote a very right thing about it. Otaku fandom are too useless people to defend their own rights, or to fight for something they want.
As a matter of fact I thing they settled for things that other peoples don't care about. So being part of something where you don't have to struggle or argue with people that could hunt you and break your face is very appealing for a nice and defendless otaku.
And I think that's why a bunch of stupid bitches and Milfs spend their times destroyng this people, they are just the easiest prey. Otaku don't defend their self or their hobbies, (collecting cards, dressing dolls, watch cartoons, fantasize about having sex with females of their same mental age). So in a world where the stronger eats the weaker, is very understandable that certain groups use them to rise their ranks in the politic's ground.
"On the surface, an artist tries to frame his ideals in an image, to challenge his audience and make his vision immortal. But the parasites say "NO! Your art must serve the cause! Your ideals endanger the people!""
―Artist Display
Oh well, it seems in Japan Christian groups are going after Young boys so It looks like Shota still in the market.
Wtf is wrong the government listening to fanatics...
If they ban MILF...
It will be epic if they ban Hikikomori from their homes lol.
Hopefully they ban religion next.
MILF is banned for those kidnappings and beheadings
If this ban is passed (Heaven forbid), all those responsible for it--Agnes Chan included--have automatically SIGNED THEIR OWN DEATH WARRANTS!!
I have been reading this kind of topics and i thinks that the only way we have to fix their brains is to appeal to count for insulting us by calling us rapists and staff. They wont care for words but if we strike their money they may just get it.
No point in speaking with fanatics.
The great era of loli pedophilia is seeing its dusk! Not that I really had an attachment to it. We are better off with keeping it out of our entertainment altogether. Loli is only animation or just simple artwork, but the way the mind processes things proves its potentially dangerous consequences. The first bit of "loli" I ever seen was Petite Cosette, and that was horror loli/goth anime. I for one would prefer mature depictions of characters participating in sexual activity and feel that anyone obsessed with children included in these acts should seek help, though they might just be apprehended by authorities ASAP.
So I bit farewell to loli and will continue enjoying more "normal" avenues of entertainment.
Lastly, you all just lost THE GAME!
Holy shit, so many comments. Didn't think so many cared. So, does this mean no Lucky Star or Hayate? If you ask me, you shouldn't ban lolicon. It'll turn potential pedophiles into real pedophiles. With loli gone, potential pedophiles/lolicon lovers will more likely end up raping little girls. Of course, they probably never would've ended up like potential pedophiles if it weren't for lolicon. LMAO w/e guess they should ban it. Just make sure that they watch the little ones...
A "family-friendly" Tokyo is NOT the Tokyo I want to visit!!
i agree
Agreed, family friendly ANYTHING sucks.
Actually, this really isn't surprising. Too bad for my friend, he loves this stuff.
Why does Japan hates the stuffs that made people love them.... Freedom of expression used to be what I loved from Japanese media, but i guess it's days are numbered.... T.T
I... can't belive it...
I just can say: WE MUST FIGHT AGAINST THIS ACT STUPID, POINTLESS AND DISCRIMINATORY!!!!!!!
So... another Operation Titstorm? >_>"
As retarded as it is, after #175 (50+ years of mosaic/steam/bars/etc.)... is it really that surprising ?
Enjoy democracy, where any small organized group can do practically anything endlessly idiotic to their heart contents. And where politicians are mostly interested in licking ass of any such group in their usually short time period they have to "shine".
democracy is pretty much defined by majority rule.... you're statement is idiotic. I know you're really butthurt about the whole issue, but try to not sound so stupid.
I hope lucifer comes and kill all this christian trash ppl and rapes all the femenist with a thorn dildo.
For all the crap you lot gave us Aussies over the government trying to ban A pornos; Take some of your own back.
That said, I have nothing against the Japanese, I really hope those senile old fools come to their senses and none of these rubish bills are passed.
Good luck people, at this rate we're all gonna need it
Wait, including clothing? As in, Lolita clothing? As in selling someone over 18 a big hairbow and a frilly dress will be illegal? I don't think that will fly.
Tokyo just pulled a Second Life!
Could somebody go get Akumetsu? -_-
victory? agnes chan go fuck urself kthxbai
great, lets ban lolicon!
that way, people who enjoy it for the sake of just liking loli (but would never rape a child) get convicted and their lives ruined; and real pedos who WOULD rape a child wont have any alternative material to slay their lust
BRILLIANT!
go fuck yourself UNICEF
Where's my fucking second season of Strike Witches?
Those politicians can go fuck themselves if they think they can ban me from having loli, I'll draw it myself. This will stop nothing and will eat so many resources up, and piss off a shitload of people they're gonna take it up the ass come election time.
if a ban on loli passes, i see a large otaku army forming and attacking proposers of this law
get those Australian nuts out of Tokyo! T_T
"may not in Tokyo be viewed by or sold or distributed to any young person."
The old guys have a free pass to the loli after all.
Listen to me, everything happens for a reason and the reason is always much more simple than you think. Ever wonder why countries under autocracy or extreme religion always try to ban everything from porn to articles and clothings? Ask yourself do you really care about what kinds of book other people read or what kinds of clothes other people wear? I don't and trust me I'm sure that the people who made those decisions don't care either. There must be something, somehow that those decisions can benefit the people who made it and MONEY is always the true answer. Take China for example. In some regions the ratio of government offical is 1 to every 20 people because those has high power just keep hiring their relatives. Now that they have a job, they have to do something to keep it. Something like banning porn or inspecting the internet. One more thing, I'm not a christian but I definately won't blame christianity for this because their religion didn't tell them to ban loli. The true problem is people. People murder and rape because they want to. People do what they what to do. God or religion is just one of those reasons they put on it.
.....LOL! I'm pretty sure this law does nothing because it's just banning "UNDERAGE" kids from "purchasing and possessing" it. Yeah, I'm sure they're going to somehow check every computer to see if they downloaded any lolis from the internet :sarcasm:.
HEY 15-18 IS OKAY! 14 and below is the gray area.
They overreached with this. As has been pointed out, it's so vague and broad it would ban about 80% of all anime, games, and manga. Manga publishing makes up nearly 50% of all publishing in Japan, and the other two are noticeable industries.
I can't believe this would pass as is. The politicians may be old, but by god Japanese politicians understand money, the corrupt bastards.
Deep in an underground lair in Japan:
Minister: It is done sir. Lolis have become completely banned, like you asked.
Shadow Minister: Excellent! With the ban of Loli paraphernalia, its demand and price will skyrocket, boosting our economy! Japan will become a feared global power once more!
Minister: Very well done sir.
So, that guys want a law version of CCA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_Authority
This is ridiculous, there are countless sex orientated American teen movies, with actors depicted as underage.
They would have to ban three quarters of harem anime atleast.
"someone dressed in a manner reminiscent of an under-18"
What the fuck? Are Gothic Lolitas going to be tackled to the ground and arrested aswell. This will not go through, it would be a huge blow to the anime industry.
Feminists I propose you fuck off.
Don't worry the law won't pass or if it does the Tokyo government goes broke a few years later.
Law gets repealed soon after a loli vampire bails out the government and has a bund for vampires created out of part of Tokyo.
Moral fags and fascists across Japan get shipped off to farms to provide said vampires with needed blood.
We can dream...
So... if you have a girlfriend that has a child-like voice or is sort and petanko ... you'll be arrested as a pedo ?!? LOL WTF
Imagine if she calls you oni-chan . Instant life sentance?
Great news as loli is 4 sick fucks
sooooooooooooooo sad....
The ban will never make it... At least i hope it won't.
I would be amazed if this got passed and/or survived long enough to get enforced. I mean, not only anime/manga would be affected, but video games, books, etc. Every single publisher would be screaming bloody murder, given anywhere from 30% to 100% of their products would become impossible to sell.
There is actually one positive aspect to the "save the children" groups, in that they are batshit insane. Instead of proposing things that a normal, reasonable person might agree with and implement, they go completely off the wall, get recognized as loons, and promptly ignored. Except in Australia.
Because of save the children more real children will continue to be victimized and suffer in sweat shops.
Really for what ever it must cost them to bribe a politician into doing this could have saved thousands of real children.
Do these bozos have any idea how much it costs the state to house non violent people in prison?
That cost ends up taking away from schools and welfare for children.
Good job you waste of carbon atoms.
The age group for a lot of Anime/manga ranges from teens to adults, bluring the line. Therefore, some anime/manga will have to go through a major scrubbing if it is sold in Tokyo.
I hope something like this doesn't pass or it may go nationwide and affect how anime is made. The stuff is already censored enough.
they are going to kill Kodomo no Jikan with this...... T_T
JUST DIE YOU F***ING BASTARDS!!!!!
"...may not in Tokyo be viewed by or sold or distributed to any young person." - so it's fine if sold to old geezers?
Selling stuff depicting schoolgirls having sex to schoolboys - NO
Selling stuff depicting schoolgirls having sex to old geezers - A OK
lulz :p That does make everyone happy though. Pretentious politicians and parents are content that they are "protecting the children", yet have access to that material themselves.
It's not hypocricy, it's for the children. Ban sex between minors next time... Oh wait... SHIT!
they can't do it. they're fucking ignorant. this will only give the a sense of accomplishment while the whole problem still exist widely.
i'm sure lolicon prefer loli not because they are cute and underage, it's probably because of their innocence which most aged people will never possess. Since everyone sleeps with everyone nowadays. It's a given.
Ask yourself: how many people have you fucked? how many people have fucked you? see... there goes our innocence--not a lot of people have that. at least Christians are doing something good with abstinence until marriage, but how a convert nun can be turned into a virgin again is beyond me.
I've fucked zero. 2d doesn't count, right? I guess it depends on whether you can tell the difference between fiction and reality.
the age of consent in japan is 13.... right?
Nationwide, yes. However each prefecture has its own laws, and almost all of them are 18.
To be more precise, all of them are 18 or above.
There is no consent in Japan.
We need a Nod/Otaku Fate squad to "silence" these groups.
We need to rally the otakus together. With their dedication, they can form a private army of their own, all they need is weapons and some stealth training..
Man shit just hit the fan again but them god mongers and female tyrants will be vain, they'll never purge the loli.
You know, minors should be anywhere near porn to began with, regardless of genre.
But what exactly is the definition of "sexual activity"
Does that mean that all anime containing highschool (the average anime character is slightly under 18) fanservice is techinically banned?
Pro-tip: seeing panties isn't sexual activity. Rubbing an electrical wire into another girl's crotch probably is, though.
Pro-tip: if you're religiously retarded enough, seeing a girl's ankles is sexual activity.
This is outrageous. If a ban would be put on such said materials, then certainly the changes will not be effective more so than detrimental. This then is not even about the nonsensical effect of such materials. This is merely a false sense of security by forcing a blanket over the real problem.
The real culprit should be dug out first rather then to bury it under a pile of bills that will only do so much as to make the politicians backing it to feel a sense of accomplishment while the real threat lurks unattended.
Producers: Violent movie.
Politic: Violent movie banned.
Producers: Violent game.
Politic: Violent game banned.
Producers: Violent porn.
Politic: Violent porn banned.
Producers: Violent vibrating dildo.
Politic: Violent vibrating dildo not banned. We need that for our wives.
Producers: Dog stew.
Politic: Dog stew banned. They're our friend.
Politic2: Dog stew not banned. They're our food.
Politic3: Dog stew banned. They're not our veggies.
Producers: Nude family portrait of their child
Politic: Cute. Not banned.
Politic2: Cute. But banned. Why? ...because an old guy was found raping a child and in his house, we found the cute photo.
People: What??? Isn't he the old guy that was released from prison not too long ago for attempted rape of a child? Didn't he get raped by his father when he was a child and saw his mother being fucked by strangers in a brothel? And that's why he's like that? The photo just happened to be there one way or another. Wasn't it the governments job to police this man when he got out?
Police: ...no, it was because of the loli photo.
Politic: ...that's right. it's the fault of that wallet-sized loli photo. We MUST ban!!!
Producers: animated loli movie/porn, loli game, loli sex dolls, loli art, ...
Politic. Ban! Ban! Ban--kai!!!
People: what??? it's my own creation. my own property. my own money that went into the materials that gave life to this loli drawing...
Politic: Ban! Ban! Ban--kai!!!
People: what???
Politic: Ban! Ban! Ban... because we can't draw. We like loli too but we can't draw. So we have to download loli drawing from others but we'll get caught so if we can't have it, you guys can't have it too.
People: Bestiality-drawn porn.
Politic: Ban--kai!!!
People: why???
Politic: ...my child had sex with my dog and my wife's cat. I found bestial-drawn porn under his bed.
Child: daddy... it's the drawing's fault. I saw our dog having sex and mommy and daddy having sex on the veranda and that made my pee pee hard. So my body just moved on top of your dog and mommy's cat... i'm sorrly papa, mama.
Politic: ...quiet son. we can't have the world know.
Point is, all these bill do is touch the surface and pretend that it actually penetrates what really matters. They should stop wasting money and do something fucking productive like supporting medical bill for working families that can't afford to even take their child to the clinic because of recurring medical debt. Yes, I speak for myself too.
EDIT: Child: daddy... it's NOT the drawing's fault. I saw our dog having sex and mommy and daddy having sex on the veranda and that made my pee pee hard. So my body just moved on top of your dog and mommy's cat... i'm sorrly papa, mama.