An overpowering array of household name mangaka heads the list of those announcing their opposition to the efforts to ban raunchy manga as “2D child pornography” in Tokyo and, by extension, all of Japan.
Elder mangaka Tetsuya Chiba (Ashita no Joe) decries the law as threatening the very cultural complex which has become so vibrant in Japan:
“When new culture and expression comes about many types of flowers bloom. Pretty blooms like violets and sakura, but also more odious jungle blooms like Rafflesia.
However, these are all interconnected – merely saying ‘this one is dirty’ and cutting it down will only destroy the entire ecology.”
Go Nagai (Mazinger) puts it another way:
“I came into the world with Harenchi Gakuen. People struck out at it back then, but if there’s a ban this would be impossible to put out now.
If you say something stinks and then try to put a lid on it by censoring it all you do is increase the number of warped people out there.”
More details on the law and its proponents in the previous article on the subject.
Dozens of top industry figures, including many boasting government awards and iconic cultural impact, have put their names to the list opposing any restrictions; a sampling:
Fujiko Fujio A (Ninja Hattori-kun)
Takao Saitō (Golgo 13)
Gosho Aoyama (Case Closed)
Rumiko Takahashi (Ranma ½)
Mitsuru Adachi (Touch)
Moto Hagio (They Were Eleven)
Machiko Satonaka (Constellation of the Hunter)
Ryōhei Saigan (Kamakura Monogatari)
Tooru Fujisawa (GTO)
Ken Akamatsu (Love Hina)
Kaworu Watashiya (Kodomo no Jikan)
Alongside these are a variety of figures ranging from obscure ero-mangaka to the Seikon no Qwaser production staff. All the major manga publishers have also put their names to the list.
In fact, the only figures conspicuously absent seem to Shonen Jump mangaka…
With many figures in the list being household names, those who were expecting a long list of ero-mangaka and eroge companies have been taken aback.
Of course, what remains to be seen is the reaction of the senile geriatrics and moralist busybodies supporting this measure when they vote on its fate on the 19th.
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I'm surprised, I didn't think they would actually do something.
Anyway, I think this would probably give light to the voiceless Otakus.
I'm pretty sure a ban wouldn't stop circulation of existing material anyway. It'd just stop legit companies from creating this kind of material later, which would encourage the sale of illegal merchandise which in my opinion is a bigger problem than what's going on now.
I believe its safe to assume that everyone on Sankaku votes "fuck you" on the loli ban.
I didn't say whether or not the ban was good or bad, I was simply pointing out what would likely happen in the event the ban went through, making light of the fact that it's probably a bad move for the politicians to make even if they want these items to be banned.
I'm with you MasterYuke, although Panik, (in regards to your two comments "13:05" and "13:28") the logical conclusion to either argument is the same.
Ex. 1:
a = ban, b = bad
a therefore b
Ex. 2:
a = ban, b = sale of illegal merchandise,
c = bad
a therefore b therefore c
If both outcomes are bad, it's logical to assume to you believe the ban is bad.
I think that's what M
asterYuke assumed you meant.
If this works out, we'll be seeing alot more huge oppai charcters running around, which I thought at first, wasn't too bad.
But when I thought of seiyuus like Kugimiya Rie, who fit DFC/tsundere roles perfectly, I'm in complete rejection of that stupid ban again.
It is a bad move. It's not like Japan has an unlimited amount of funds to put into what will assuredly be an expensive law to enforce and maintain. And then add on the fact that there's no sound evidence that it will actually reduce child abuse.
So now you either have to reduce social spending, or raise taxes to fund this law. It would be pure irony if they actually funneled money from effective services to fund this, and child abuse actually increases. Just goes to show how actually anti-child these politicians really are.
Saying that Japan doesn't have the resources to put into enforcing this ban is rather short sighted. If the average person in Japan embraces it, then so will the govt. and they will work to enforce it. All govt. is self serving. If enough of the people embraced hello kitty as the national symbol, you would see politicians wearing hello kitty lapel pins, and heckling those who don't.
A resounding 'FUCK YOU' to this ban, should it go through.
Besides, isn't Japan's economy already in enough of a deep hole? Why undermine the efforts being done to minimize it by undercutting it, all to protect some innocent 2D people who never existed in the first place?
>_<
they just want to get rid of the industry because people would then have to buy other things.
They just can't cope with the most popular and advanced media and want to ban it so they won't go out of business and people would then buy their things.
This will be a day after health care.
Fuck You Loli Ban!!!!
There I said it.....
Fuaaahhh!!What a relief!?Now back to fapping.
...
even CNN poll that being rigged as to vote either Japanese should ban eroge or not ... they even bot the choice of "yes" ...
guess what ... the answer of "no" still win and they are forced to take down the poll ...
already become stupid and cheating ... and in the end still losing ... what a loser ...
I think we all know the eroge guys also signed, but we put them at the bottom of the list because we want to show the most popular universal non-H guys to get the point across that this is no isolated issue.
"which would encourage the sale of illegal merchandise which in my opinion is a bigger problem than what's going on now."
Why would they sell something illegal?
If you read the article, it says "in Tokyo" and more importantly, the ban is for minors trying to watch or buy raunchy loli shows.
You could just get out of Tokyo to create, buy, watch those things.
As for the fight against the ban, I support it and hope the otaku would support it also.
That's the thing! If you read the article it says "in Tokyo and, by extension, all of Japan."
Don't lecture someone about reading when you can't do it yourself
I think the main problem would be, once the law passes in a major city like tokyo, it wouldn't be difficult to have it passed all over Japan. With laws like this, once a precedent is set in a major province, the others tend to just fall in line.
Also, I support the fight against the ban. People need to finally admit that lolis are not real, and real children do not need to be "protected".
Its like, who ever conquers tokyo, conquers Japan eh?
FUCK this ban. They should put more TIME AND MONEY on real victims. Everyone has the capability of thinking perverted things and should not be hindered by doing so, unless they apply it IRL.
I wholeheartedly support the motion against the loli ban as well. I can't stand it and actually hate it, but I can recognize when a group as hypocritical as Equality Now pushes for an undermining of free expression, other civil liberties can be in a state of risk.
Fuck the ban.
Fuck Equality Now.
Protect children by pursuing and punishing their predators effectively.
that's practically a given.
we have so many historical examples what bad sideeffects bans have. yet people never learn.
as long as they feel what they're doing is 'right', they're satisfied. even if there is no sane reason behind it. pure selfishness.
Finally they got it and do something. Ban the ban!
damn!
the people on that list are like what, 2/3 of the japanese economy? :b
Bravo mangaka!
For decades Japanese manga and anime developed and bloomed in pre-internet isolation with very little fuss. These foreign inspired moralists won't be satisfied, whatever concessions they are given. Moralists always find something else to ban. Today it's cartoons. Tomorrow it will be writing. In their intolerant minds, they always find more "loopholes". So challenging them now is the only option, as I believe these mangaka are aware. I don't know what I can do to help except spread the word, but I wish them all best, for the sake of our beloved anime and manga....
freeXpression
WOW could not belive ken akamatsu signed and rumiko takahashi
BUT IM AGAINST THE BAN AS WELL XD
Awwww Kaworu Watashiya, if this ban goes tru KNJ is history
I'm not surprised at Akamatsu signing this. Negima is full of school girl fanservice (and several hundred year old vampire loli fanservice) and I doubt he wants that to be censored.
We as mere regular people (or gaijin for Japanese) can't de much asides try to be heard, but mangakas are UP TO HERE with this bullshit and this was the last straw.
Fucking fight is ON.
It's good to know they're finally banding together to start going against this retarded laws.
I agree as well.
Trying to censor children would literally be trying to censor literary freedom. It would be like reading Harry Potter when he's out of school. Who would read a story about a middle aged man, working to make a living?
Same thing with manga. Manga is like having a fantasy world where anything is possible, to create a completely different world from pictures and words. Besides, it is in the younger years we had so much ambitions and dreams, manga is like a doorway to re-live those days. Trying to censor part of the past is completely ridiculous. They need to think about other people who actually have no ill-intent whilst reading a book where a loli is a character.
Besides, with the internet on our hands, this entire idea is meaningless. With the resources and technology of today, this is just a silly plot by crackpots who have some fake "justice" they think they should uphold. Instead of trying to stop some cartoons, why don't they do something about the perpetrators instead?
About that middle-aged man story, have you never heard of the manga Salaryman Kintarou?
But anyway, the loli-"ban" is overbroad in its scope and could be interpreted to include almost anything.
I LOL'd more at Kaworu Watashiya of Kodomo no Jikan. It's like "no duh, you'll be out of a job if this happens."
GTO guy hates the ban?
THEY BETTER FOOKIN LISTEN!
Golgo 13 hates the Ban.
Which is even more worrisome.
:P
Duke Tougou is disappoint. He does crunches with 50lbs.
Japanese standing up for their rights?
*Stands up and applauds*
"...decries the law as threatening the very cultural complex which has become so vibrant in Japan"
A threat worth fighting against!
About time indeed, but the battle is just beginning, let's see if they continue on with it.
In other banned news:
Well, there's something we can be sure about, is that otakus may not be sporty or very useful (in a community service way) but if you DARE touch their way of life... dangerous.
I am very sporty and I love my Anime.
SO at least here is one guy that can knock out a lot of the ones pushing for this ban. =)
There was also the muscular guy who cosplayed as Armstrong.
I can muay thai some, so sign me up for the knocking out of pro-ban'ers.
True indeed. Though this does give hope that people are seriously considering the ramifications of such a ban.
Thing is, whether you make a "list" or not, old politicians will always vote for yesteryear's ideals.
You'd think Akira Toriyama would be all over this given what he used for gag material back in the early days of Dragonball.
toriyama more into game industry illustration this day....
but doraemon author quite powerfull name.
Yes, considering Doraemon also became an "Anime Ambassador" and also endorses top international brands.
Hahahaha.
I remember that some of Doraemon series contain naked loli (Shizuka).
At some point you just give up on participating in politics.
Unless your profiting from it in some way.
I'm proud of those people!
The manga-ka, publishers and all!
Damn proud!
I saw most of it on NicoNicoDouga!
I wanna be like them!!!
With that many powerful and influential folks in the list, there's more than enough to construct a galaxy-sized mecha of somekind that could crush even the most despair-inducing bill.
all they need is just a drill......
that can pierce the heaven!
RAW RAW FIGHT THE BAN! Fuck the unfuckable ban the unbanable RAW RAW FIGHT THE BAN!
Konata approves the drill idea.
“When new culture and expression comes about many types of flowers bloom. Pretty blooms like violets and sakura, but also more odious jungle blooms like Rafflesia.
However, these are all interconnected – merely saying ‘this one is dirty’ and cutting it down will only destroy the entire ecology.”
Enviromentalists approved.
Uncle Go can say it because HE started Ecchi after all.
So Uncle Go. FUCK YEAH!!!
Good to see that some folks are pushing back.
Tho I would not have dreamed that Fujiko Fujio would be supporting lolis given that Doraemon's fan base would include said lolis.
What's wrong with supporting your fanbase?
There are parts of the show that could get Doraemon banned by this restrictive law. Also on another note several Miyazaki films would be banned by this also.
censorship of any creative work should be rightfully opposed. it's good to see that mangaka are aware that their creative freedom is being threatened and actually do something about it. *claps *claps
Long ago, in America, there was an industry-wide ban on certain kinds of comics. This was the Comics Code. By cutting out the "unsavory" comics and promoting only the least-offensive, the entire industry eventually lost much of its cultural relevance, dooming American comics to stagnation and, eventually, obscurity.
Eventually, a more vibrant and daring format emerged in the West, imported from a country whose comics were a dominant cultural medium for almost a century.
That is why manga regularly outperforms American comics. A ban on "unsavory manga" would only help the manga industry's competition.
I've heard Japanese making exactly the same argument - and there is much more at stake considering the relative size of the manga/anime/game industry.
It's so great to see the japanese actually making an effort to oppose this.
I'm almost in shock. Not a mutter of "skikata ga nai" in sight!
Kind of expected Ken Akamatsu and Kaworu Watashiya, but the others were a great surprise! More power against the ban.
Also, "If you say something stinks and then try to put a lid on it by censoring it all you do is increase the number of warped people out there." is one of the points people have been trying to say since the start online, great to see it hit the press.
RUMIKO! That's my babe. A world where no one could accidentally tear off Lum-chan's top, or grab Ran-chan's boob for comedic purposes...isn't a world I would want to live in. Rumiko taught me more about being ok and comfortable with my body as a girl more than anything or anyone, growing up back when. I owe her a lot.
Everytime Artefact posted an article related to loli ban and religious freaks, more than 200 sheep commented.
I fully support this ban
I support this ban and you! :D
I support banning both of you... Oh wait.
Shut up you fucking pedos
Why don't you shut up anti loli fagot.
Nice trolling there :)
Why don't you go back to your shithole that is anontalk?
I fully support banning your drivel and spam here, moral and Christfag!
The real test would have been to actually try to ban sexually explicit loli. The way this ban was worded, all sexually provocative depictions of characters who appear to be minors, not just children, was banned. Describing it as a ban on 2D child pornography was just an attempt to cloud people's reason.
That wouldn't work since the characters are not real people so have no age except what the artist gives them. A good example from a curently running show "Ladies Vs. Butlers" is that one character looks like she is a kid and is 19.
Or you could ban all female characters with small busts, but that would be a ridiculous way to judge their "age", so it'd never happen.
Oh wait, it's been done already...
Fujiko F Fujio still alive ???
Its Fujiko A Fujio. Remeber, there are two Fujiko who works together in creating Doraemon Fujiko F Fujio and Fujiko A Fujio.
Fujiko Fujio is a pen name of a duo,
the one that died uses Fujiko Fujio Ⓐ
the one that is still alive uses Fujiko F Fujio
other way round, dead ppl can't sign petitions
Fujiko Fujio A is the one that's still alive
Wow vocal Japanese? I thought they only exist in animu and mangoes.
Seriously though, a ban would greatly restrict artistic freedoms.
You are delicious.
*ALERT* - Ken Akamatsu (Love Hina)
*ALERT* - Kaworu Watashiya (Kodomo no Jikan)
*Laughter to commence - NOW hahahahahahhahaha
Of course these two dont want the Loli ban - they made their livings off of Loli LUving =P
i lol'd when i saw kodomo no jikan on the list
She has just as much right as anyone to defend her work, right?
Am I the only one interested in the uncencored source of the top image?
And yes, I actually didn't see this comming, who would have guessed that they had a backbone! :D
I too want that image uncensored
If you had certain income from a product you produced, then a sudden enforcement of laws made your product illegal. Would you sit back and avoid all movements and surveys that serve in favor of your own interest? The business world doesn't afford modesty nor stupidity.
OF COURSE they'd be on the list.
As Tomino said, people who make Gundam are people with empty dreams.
People who produce this 2d drivel are people with empty dreams.
Not saying I believe your demagogy, but you say it's wrong because...? really I can't think of a valid argument, so please explain your reasoning if you would be so kind.
Go go go, Go Nagai! I support the mangaka actions in fighting against the ban.
"Kaworu Watashiya (Kodomo no Jikan)"
Lol, is this future plot development I'm sensing?
Not really, what she`s published so far could fall under what they want to ban, you know how broad that shit gets when haters get creative at stomping creativity.
Kaworu Watashiya do has a keen personal interest in this case :D his livelihood literally depends on the law NOT getting passed
His? Wrong gender there chief.
Takao Saito = serious business
I was touched seeing the GTO, Love Hina, Detective Conan & Doraemon artist against the ban.
I want to sign for the list of anti-ban.
I want to sign for the list for banning of loli ban
Give up, lolicon is fucked now. If Ken Akamatsu, Rumiko and Conan maker boycotted lolis are quite literally fucked.
And if they get the Big 3 in as well...
Alas, they have no reason to boycott as their livelihood depends on it, unless you are willing to pay their boycott...?
Doraemon and Touch in the ban list?
Japanese government surely has gone crazy.
Ken Akamatsu ftw XD
with this many people signing it i don't think it should go through but I'm not smart in these things anyway so i don't know if this will make a difference
Kaworu Watashiya? Why on Earth would she be against a loli ban?! :D
And yay for Ken Akamatsu, one of my favourite mangaka.
If this ban goes into effect, I don't think the drawing and distribution of erotic works featuring young-looking girls will be impeded to any great extent. It will simply become more underground, which the Internet easily facilitates nowadays.
This is interesting to me. I've always found the Japanese, due to their highly homogeneous culture and pervasive social controls therein, to be the most law-abiding people on Earth. Usually, when new rules are instituted, by schools, families, workplaces, or government, they adhere to them rigidly.
Yet, when it comes to matters of sexual desire and sexuality, Japanese authority always utterly fails at repressing whatever is targeted for elimination. The producers and consumers inevitably find a way around it. This might have something to do with the fact that no one in Japan is consistently getting laid anymore.
Plummeting marriage rates, lonely men, desperate women, a decline in births and consequently, in population: People need an outlet. I don't believe the current ero market in Japan would be what it is today if the Japanese were busy making babies and enjoying healthy amounts of H.
You give too much credit to the amount of people dedicating their lives to 2D ero. Even in Japan, otaku are probably not a significant percentage of the total population to place them as the main factor in the declining birth rates.
Also, declining birthrates seem to be showing up in many other developed countries around the world. When taking this into account, Japan just turns out to be the spearhead of a global trend.
go nagai rocks!!!!!!!!!!!1
“When new culture and expression comes about many types of flowers bloom. Pretty blooms like violets and sakura, but also more odious jungle blooms like Rafflesia.
However, these are all interconnected – merely saying ‘this one is dirty’ and cutting it down will only destroy the entire ecology.”
Wow, pretty impressive analogy, I like the way this guy thinks.
Kaworu Watashiya is a "top industry figure"?
Top loli mangaka.
This is great support. The future doesn't look so bleak anymore.
"Kaworu Watashiya (Kodomo no Jikan)"
Big suprise there >.>
When someone like Doraemon's creator talks, everyone should listen.
damn u beako!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =( is there a normal image on the chan? ha-ha
Well, it seems kinda obvious that mangaka would defend the thing that makes them money.
Being a fan Of Go Nagai I do see where the man's getting at.
When he came out with Harenchi Gakuen lot of people were digusted by what he did because he broke a lot of taboo's somewhat similar to the loli ban right
Now look at what he's come with stuff like Cutie Honey, Mazinger, Kekko Kamen, and various other mangas.
Reason why most would oppose this ban whether their taste be lolicon or not it would soon stretch out to other things anyway so glad the influential types are takin a stand.
This is good.
Is "Thought Crime is NOT crime" a catchy phrase in Japanese?
Those people created some of my favorite manga.
Sure, it's funny (and not surprising) to see the creator of Kodomo no Jikan on that list. But still, screw this ridiculous assault on free expression.
I am behind them and opposed to the ban 100%.
Agnes Chan can suck it.
Banning your "unsavory" manga would make as much sense as the Prohibition back in the 1930s in the USA. That worked out great, didn't it? -_-
Al Capone and his contemporaries laughed their asses off to the bank about it. ^^
I wonder when these idiots are going to get the FACT that pedosexuality is a normal sexuality, and that if you don't want them to be having sex with REAL children, you are going to have to damned well give them some OTHER means of sating their perfectly NORMAL sexual impulses.
By definition, 'pedosexuality' is not 'normal'. But neither is homosexuality. That does not mean that both orientations do not deserve respect as long as they remain within the law with regards to real minors.
Any law banning fictional minors however is straight-up retarded. Loli-lovers have every right to be able to enjoy h-manga and such.
What does `respect` mean here, I don`t really respect ANY form of sexuality, any more than I do taste in ice cream. I just acknowledge it.
Yeah, no.
Even if YOU believe that pedophiles deserve respect, most people do not, least of the lawmakers.
It's never going to be normalized. Deal with it.
You sir are an idiot. Just because we don't want loli manga to be banned doesn't mean we want to fuck children. And no it's not an alternative. I don't watch lolis in anime because i have a secret desire for real children, i only watch them because it's fun.
Yes it's normal to find attractive a 16-15 even a 14 year old because biologically she's a woman no matter what the law says biology thinks differently but wanting to fuck an 8 or 9 year old is not normal even with biology. It just means you are a sick bastard.
Stop trying to say that we like anime lolis because we are sexually frustrated about real children. We are not. Real children are just annoying little brats and i have no interest in watching child porn or anything like that.
THEY ARE DIFFERENT THINGS.
Kaworu Watashiya (Kodomo no Jikan)
This piece of shit is part of the problem that created all this to begin with. fuck him
HAHAHA! Him.
Kaworu Watashiya is a chick, u know...
way to know your stuff douchebag. Kaworu Watashiya is a woman.
what are you full of BS.It's only going through a girls life and showing it,it's meant for girls.Oh and suddenly it must be pedo because others say so :P
And kaworu is a woman.
Kodomo no Jikan is actually rather tasteful and very funny. Have you even seen it?
Because KNJ is the reason lolicon exist amirite?
Yes, we did not exist prior to KnJ, it`s all her fault.
This ban only proves one thing
2D>3D
They SHOULD BE CONCERNED.
After all, this ludicrous would-be-law will greatly affect one of their main sources of livelihood..
Hopefully, more and more renowned Manga authors would step up and let themselves be heard..
If this law pushes through, all we're left with would be wholesome drama anime...
I think that would be REALLY BORING...
At last some hope that this crazy law might not pass. Good for them. Good for us ....
Doraemon's creator died, Fujio Fujiko A didn't participate in Doraemon.
I hope it's enough to push the ban back... if the ban passes then Japan won't be Japan anymore...
Finally, some voices that carry a lot of weight.
Holy crap those are some serious names.
They're right though, even if they say it poetically like Testuya Chiba.
If this law were to make it through, Tokyo can kiss its entire manga and anime industry good-bye. And it will only get worse from there.
Why should every mangaka write about grown up women with breasts the size of beach balls? I doubt many people can truly connect with those characters as much as they could with lesser developed characters, both age and physique-wise.
That there are loli mangakas on that list is far from surprising, but at least they dare venture out in the open and speak out. Their livelihood is being threatened at the hands of some rather unscrupulous organizations like UNICEF and various radical feminist groups. Do they want to force these people into unemployment?
Now, if all those basement-dwelling otakus were to stand up and follow their idols, they'd have a REAL shitstorm on their hands.
Censorship or bans on fictional material is NEVER an answer to anything. Japan needs to stop being so sensitive to international pressure and give the rest of the world a big 'up yours' and tell them to do something about their OWN problems for a change.
Clearly, the ban seeks to create a new wave of woman. Or something. The kind that Westerners, not only feminists, can agree on:
http://i43.tinypic.com/2u7ytg1.jpg
IT'S BACK TO THE NINETIES!
And then you'll get feminists screaming bloody murder over women being sexualized (something they're already doing right now).
Thing is, they'll stop at nothing at depriving men of their sexual pleasures and to get women dominating over men (and I don't mean that in the sexual kind).
Yeah, you can`t win with boobs, can`t win without them.
We should just draw women wearing breast plates with chain mail burqas. Oh, but that would also be oppression.
Japanese government is hypocrite, they listen to what the UNICEF says about this whole (non-existing) threat to RL kids by unreal anime lolicons, still pays no attention to REAL issues such as their disgusting habit of eating whale meat... how many petitions to stop whale fishing from organizations like PETA and Green Peace could be already piled up on their desks??.
Politicians are only worried about one thing: keeping their asses in those luxurious satin chairs for as long as possible while doing as little as possible.
However, to achieve that, they need to rally support from the people they are supposed to represent and unfortunately, over half of all the voters are as dumb as can be, mostly due to the media playing on people's gut feelings and scaring the living daylights out of them by emphasizing the most extreme cases. As a result, the need to protect children has made the average human braindead and unable to reason with.
Hey, it's governments run on; fear tactics. It's just how well a government can hide it. It goes back to the question for a leader if it is better to be feared or loved. Unfortunately history has shown that the most efficient results come from the former.
About the tag picture, it looks like she is giving birth to herself, even if its to cover up something. Its almost as if (it looks as) she cloned herself and it worked.
it's time to strike back hard. now just wait for eroge industry to make a move.
What's good is that other manga artists would openly side against the loli ban. Beat that, crazy Kiwi and Aussie expats in Japan. :P
The greatest alliance of the century! Freedom go go!
I will say Japanese fans needed their gaijin counterparts really fast. If this so-called law passes...
I remember the Library Wars anime...perhaps we need a Hentai Defense Force if this feminist-fundie axis isn't stopped.
of all the people on the list made me laugh that put down
Kaworu Watashiya as one of the people since kodomo no jikan is super lolicon manga of course he doesn't agree xD
They should put loli doujin artists that sell well also on the list maybe that will impress people and believe loli banning is bad!
(I don't support banning of loli :O )
Just goes to show that when the chips are down, people can and will band together to fight for what they believe in.
You know, im ashamed of you people and im only ashamed, because you downvote people who say what they think, even if they ARE for that loli ban.
Your dissapointing me people.
Its not like you could DO anything against that Ban.
The Voting System HERE is a MESS.
Post rating, serious business.
You'd rather have a flood of one word replies of "gtfo" "die" "agreed" "+1" "wtf" "no u"? If you happen to get -1.0 everybody is going to expand your comment and read it anyways.
Not just with their awesome works, these people also get my full respect for standing up against these bans. Seeing Fujisawa there (whom iirc only do hawt stuffs involving highschool girls) put me in awe even more.
If only Fujio F. Fujiko's still alive, he'd also be apart of this. I mean he's the first mangaka who presented me nakky loli in a bathtub in almost every volumes of Doraemon..
These people who listed their names are fools.
We need power-armored stormtroopers and automatic weapons to suppress them. That's how you get people to submit.
Yes, because horrible aim is the best way to get people to submit.
Stormtroopers were supposed to be elite. It's the Force that's killing their aim I tell you :p
FEMINISM:
The radical notion that women are actually people.
This law will pass, and I'm afraid it's only gonna be the first step towards a lot of restrictive laws that will try to clean up the whole otaku/hikikomori culture.
@Anonymous
21:34 16/03/2010
You're such an dork for saying that!
Loli ban = Epic fail!
learn to read. I didn't say I was supporting this. Look closely at "I'm afraid"
And btw it's "a dork"
Ok, then you're an asshole!
And you're still a dork for saying that! Learn to give a good reply ok?
You are a dork because you think that hikikomori or NEET must be an otaku or anime fan. There are plenty of those people shut in there rooms ether because they are lazy,afraid of the world,playing MMORPG, collecting shit or whatever. Being a shut-in has nothing to do with anime. It's just that some shut-ins choose anime and manga as there activity.
It`s also that a lot of hobbies which are engrossing (as anime is) often lead to people losing interest in other things.
Er.
This law, if passed, would instantly ban most anime on the market right now. It would literally kill the industry.
It'll probably pass anyway.
YEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!! Finally some backbone and balls!!! Go, Go Nagai!!!
Apart from the clear problem of censorship against drawings, which is the most retarded and annoying form of censorship, this could also become a very big problem for the manga industry.
...but I'm asking myself: "where to hell is the original non-censored picture to this post ?" >:[
I'm glad that prominent artists like Fujisawa, Rumiko, and Takao put their names on that list.
With the likes of heavyweight mangakas like Takahashi Rumiko, Adachi Mitsuru, Gosho Aoyama and Akamatsu Ken signing their names on the list, they've pretty much told stuck-up know-it-all moralists like Equality Now to go fuck themselves.
Bravo at that.
(LOL at Yoshino Hiroyuki of the "infamous" Seikon no Qwaser on the list as well. )
They are asking to get arrested on "circumstantial" evidence.
"In fact, the only figures conspicuously absent seem to Shonen Jump mangaka…"
Considering that they ran To Love Ru until it's end this past august, I find it unusual there would be no representation from that end.
Their publisher is on there too. Somebody suggested it might be an image thing, in which case they really are a bunch of worthless cowards.
Artefact perhaps if a parent company is listed they do not list child company-magazines.
*thumbs up @ Watashiya*
being an lover of love hina, and a solid ken akamatsu fanatic, (he got me started on rom-com worship from what I was doing before it, shonen stagnation), I'll vote whatever he votes~
there are a lot of loli's in ken akamatsu's manga, ai love you had little sister moe loli, love hina had smily-faced koala su loli, shinobu mihara close friend loli, sarah mcdougal foreigner-loli, little sister moe loli from naru's little sister, nyamu exotic loli... Mahou sensei negima has evangeline vampire evil loli, along with an array of middle schooler goodness, doll goodness... stating the whole list of loli goodness within MSN feels like talking for a hundred years... about something wonderful...
so whatever Ken decides, I'll back him, (since I already downloaded everything of his to this day).
it doesn't make a difference if they ban lolis anyways, cause the mangaka, they'd do the next closest best thing, and not have blunt loli fanservice, but have roundabout loli goodness without fanservice, then most likely submit to the internet some relatively good blatant loli fanservice, under an anonymous account...
If they're allowed to get away with this, they'll follow Australia's example and start 'regulating' websites as well.
Hmm. I wonder if Tezuka-san would signthis petition if he were still alive. I would say yes.
Fight japan, fight with all your might. ROW ROW FIGHT DA POWA.
There's a lot of bad, nasty, repulsive, evil stuff out there that I don't want to see, and that is clearly detrimental to society.
BUT, there's no person or group I would trust to decide what is "good" and what is "bad" for me and my fellow citizens to read/see/hear.
So, I'm philosophically stuck with having the bad as well as the good.
3-D land is different, because you've got actual people involved, who can and are being hurt to produce the "bad" stuff.
I have no problem with _minors_ being restricted from the stuff listed in the ban (though I think the wording is too vague).
The question is, "will the ban on this stuff for minors be used as a thin entering wedge to get it banned for everyone?"
Based on the frothings from EN, I believe the answer is to that is, "yes".
I don't hate CP but if they ban loli
I'll stop to ban CP sites.
Whats there definition of loli?Ranma 1/2 had tons of innocent nude shots that furthered the humor. Wern't they like 15,16 and 17 years old?
Go Nagai is the second most respected manga artist to Osamu Tezuka. Those who had a chance to read his interview in the Middle East will find how more down to earth, very wise, and downright correct is this guy who lay the foundation for hentai manga and violent guro. I'm glad he opposes this and what he said is quite correct - censorship will only make things worse and drive more people to get around it, even through force if necessary. Nothing beats good education and discipline, something the Japanese have done so well over the years, and why loli content goes through without a hitch.
News Update: the proposed ban is now to be put on hold until June.
I think it's a fair guess that by the terms of the proposed bill, about 30% of all manga would be affected. That's a huge hit for the manga publishers, who are already financially strapped. Manga publishing accounts for about 40% of all publishing in Japan. All the major manga publishers are located in Tokyo. Very large amounts of money and tax income to the state are involved in what is, in the end, just political grandstanding.
My guess is that a back-door deal will be cut involving huge bribes (as is usual in Japanese politics) from the publishers to the appropriate officials, and this will all go away. However, a more precisely targeted ban on the graphic loli sex comics could still come out of it as a "compromise."
As for Watashiya, of course she's going to defend herself, but let's face it, if it was one of the Comic LO artists instead...now THAT would be funny.
Power to the mangaka!
Hope this encourages other to start standing up against the ban.
----In fact, the only figures conspicuously absent seem to Shonen Jump mangaka…
So 9 pages and nobody notices this line? Sankaku, I am disappoint.
Shueisha is brutally repressive to their artists. If they say STFU, the artists had better listen. Even the big names have to feel a little fear. Remember, it wasn't that long ago Shueisha would automatically fire anyone who did any work for another company. The first guy to break that rule was Tatsuya Egawa, who had enough arrogance to dare them to fire him while his comic Tokyo Daigaku Monogatari was the #1 bestseller for Shueisha. He blatantly went to his old publisher, Kodansha, and started running a series there, simultaneously. They let him get away with it and the wall was broken, but only for the elite of the elite. I know others have now done it, but only a few.
So, all that said, if the Shonen Jump editorial department decided that their artists were going to STFU on this issue, they would. And it seems like they did.
People noticed and even Artefact replied... Your lack of attention is disappointing to a certain degree.
Trust me, I think this is the only thing that is staving off tons of pedophiles. If they ban it, then I suspect they will need a lot more prisons.
No it's not. A real pedophile will never be satisfied with out getting in to the real thing.
Loli manga are nothing but cute entertainment. There has never been establish any relationship. Actually almost none of the people who raped children in Japanese prisons was a loli manga fanatic. They are more in to the real thing.
This is nothing more than crazy fanatic scare talk by insane thought-police with people that want to pass there own agendas behind it.
Pedophiles = <3 3D
lolicons = 3D PIG DISGUSTING
"If you say something stinks and then try to put a lid on it by censoring it all you do is increase the number of warped people out there.”
QFT!
Hey, they just called it off... until June. Time to keep fighting the moral police in Japan!
I appose the ban on the grounds of freedom of speech.
If freedom of speech is eroded here where will it stop?
If we don't make a stand now before we know it the civilized world will become something ripped from a George Orwell book.
We must fight the thought police where ever they raise their ugly heads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Police
Fucking shonen jump why are they being traitors and not joining?
Jesus. I just read the twitter feed of two mangaka I know in Japan and they both said they were not going to bother to sign the petition because "it has nothing to do with them" (one does pet comics for women and the other does sports comics). They also commented "they won't apply the law anyway."
Yes, there are people that naive in the world. Japanese people tend to be very politically unsophisticated anyway, but I was shocked. I'm not sure what to say to them that won't get them all upset. Maybe "If it doesn't matter, why not sign?"
I've got to say... Even though I wasn't alive at the time, I 'remember' in the eighties Al Gore's wife, Tipper Gore I think was her name got on a moral crusade to ban heavy metal music. As with lolicon, it was of course a largely christian based movement with an extreme right moralist base. Their entire argument was the old "think of the children" tactic which is still often employed to great effect today.
Bands like cannibal corpse were sited for their extremely graphic violent content; and I'm sure we all know just how depraved some hentai can be. Either way, the fact it's essentially impossible to ban any form of artistic expression. A loli-ban would basically be like a cyber version of the war on drugs; paramount to thought crime. It's completely absurd in the free world, including Japan.
In that case, famous musicians including John Denver gathered to speak about the importance of freedoms of speech. When I read this article I got the feeling that it's the same story in Japan. There is a cultural phenomenon there that not everybody likes, so a select few people are trying to just make it go away; you know, for the children. I really hope that creative freedom and artistic integrity win the day once again.
"Of all the tyrannies of humankind, the worst is that which persecutes the mind." ~ John Dryden
Поддерживаю борьбу против запрета на аниме и лоликона.
По мне так это какой то дебилизм считать 2д девочек за реальных детей.
Если они боятся что это влечёт к реальным то крупно ошибаются. Я до сих пор не слышал чтобы в Японии кого то громко изнасиловали , педафилия.
По мне просто политикам нечего делать в мирном времени для Японии и вот крутят херню чтобы было чем заняться и подзаработать возможно.
Well, I'm totally against the ban, but somehow makes me think about this boom in ero-anime.
We've been seing things animated for TV that you would only seen in softcore porn, showing less and less plot and more and more ero to attract viewers.
People have been pushing the bar for a bit, and now the backlash came with this ban proposal.
I dunno but if I want ero I'd rather see a hentai than a late-slot anime right? Let those for shows with mature story-telling.
I have been reading this kind of topics and i thinks that the only way we have to fix their brains is to appeal to count for insulting us by calling us rapists and staff. They wont care for words but if we strike their money they may just get it.
No point in speaking with fanatics.
How much loli-hentai do you suppose they read in the Boy Scouts? Or the Vatican? They DO have one book in common, though! Anyone wanna propose making possession of THAT book illegal?
we should provide clergymen and scoutmasters with free shota
Regarding the post above about Tipper Gore: wrong. She did not at any time propose a "ban" on any music. In response to the public displays of viciously anti-social imagery and lyrics in rap--not heavy metal--she lobbied for printed lyrics to be made available to parents, "plain wrapper" covers for CDs with explicit nudity and violence, and the ratings system.
All these things came to pass in one form or another, and the industry--despite its bawlings and wailings to the contrary--survived.
While there is good cause for people to stand up for community standards--as Tipper Gore did--what is going on in Iowa and what is proposed in Japan (a blanket outlawing of images and/or imprisonment for possession of drawings) is preposterous. They're as different as day and night.
I find it very amusing how Japan itself seems to forget that they have some of the lowest sex crime rates, especially child abuse in the world.