Japanese Men Demand Men Only Train Carriages

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Innumerable cases of false groping accusations resulting in prosecutions have led to a formal demand for woman only carriages to be complemented by an equal number of men only carriages to curb the problem.

The demand for the implementation of men only carriages was formally submitted by a group of shareholders to the fourth general meeting of shareholders for Seibu Holdings, a major rail operator. It stipulates that men only compartments should be provided in equal number to women only compartments, or in proportion to the gender of passengers overall.

Its reasoning reads as follows:

“On Seibu operated railways, numerous groping (chikan) incidents have been reported, as well as numerous false accusations of such. Countermeasures are required to curb this.

One such countermeasure has been the implementation of woman only carriages, and it seems this has borne some fruit, however it has no effect whatsoever on the incidence of false accusations. In Kansai, there have been very many such false accusations, and the danger of being falsely accused is exceedingly high.

The implementation of men only carriages would be less costly than operating cameras, and would not endanger the privacy of passengers; its effectiveness is also assured. Additionally, the equality of men and women is guaranteed by Article 14 of the Constitution, so establishing these carriages for men is necessary.”

It does seem undeniable that segregating men and woman would drastically reduce the incidence of both groping and false accusations.

Seibu Holdings rejected the proposal out of hand, citing a lack of customer demand. This marks the third time such a proposal has been put before the general assembly at Seibu, and its third rejection.

Interestingly, the assembly covers some 47% of shareholders, but to force any major change a two fifths majority is required. However, 32% of the company is in fact owned by the giant American fund Cerberus Capital Management, and it seems the prospect of such a distant institutional investor caring what befalls Japanese commuters is rather remote…

Women only carriages have become a common feature of Japan’s rail network, ostensibly to protect women from groping in regular carriages, but their advent has done little to either discourage actual gropers from their at times highly organised criminal antics in regular carriages or to deal with what has been described as a reign of terror, where female accusations can see male commuters convicted without no more evidence than the testimony of the accuser.

False accusations of groping made against men on crowded Japanese trains have become commonplace, whether due to mistakes, malice, paranoia or even widely publicised organised extortion rackets, and it is usually a case of the man’s word against that of the woman.

Typically, such cases end with the conviction of the man, with the only hope of leniency being a confession in the hopes of persuading the implacable courts of the remorsefulness of the “offender.”

However, in recent years a number of high profile cases of defendants being acquitted have come about, affirming the perception that a potentially huge miscarriage of justice is being perpetrated on the nation’s trains.

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Another less widely discussed aspect of woman only carriages is that they are often far less crowded than mixed carriages, which seems to represent a case of men (or women travellers not using the carriages) unfairly being forced into subsidising the relative comfort of those who are able to use them.

Providing an equal number of carriages for men would likely be difficult for train operators to stomach economically with this passenger density, unless it involved female passengers being packed into their carriages in the same fashion as mixed carriages, which might rather dent their popularity…

Via Gigazine.

Those looking to avoid being falsely accused will have to rely on keeping their hands over their heads for the forseeable future; more ways of avoiding false arrest on the nation’s trains can be read in the instructive article on the subject.


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    Comment by Anony
    07:05 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I can understand those men. Today a crazy lady started yelling in a crazy tone that there is a sexual pervert on the buses *beeping european. *facepalm. Great.. slander for the 50% of men on the buses. Funny she was not on the bus at all though. I blame feminazi.

    Also so may nice oppais..

    Comment by Anony
    07:18 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Those Japanese trains are jam pack they even need to stuff people into it from the overflow.

    So if they have separate sex carriage what if you step on to the jam pack all woman carriage by mistake. :)

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    Comment by solace
    11:21 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Forget it. I'd rather take my chances than support gender segregation.

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    Comment by ragaraga
    09:50 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    damn you false gropers lol why didn't you just grop

    Comment by mimo
    06:17 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    1 question !!

    what about couples and families?

    3rd type of compartment ? mixed compartment?

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:28 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    there'd still be the mixed compartment..

    Comment by Seravy
    05:56 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Be a Hikkikomori...no need to be on a train, ever.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:42 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    MAN TRAIN!

    Suzaku and Lelouce would love it.

    Comment by Anon
    03:17 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    If that picture is from an actual woman only carriage, I call bullshit. That's way too many space that they could fill with people, and if I were a man, needed to go to work and that train was my only transportation I would be beyond pissed. They need to assign less carriages to these women, this .

    We women want safety and got it, why not for men too?

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:52 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well in Japan at least I think they have something like 6 or 8 carriages total.

    In the Philippines, there are only 3 carriages, and the front carriage is women (and elderly) only.

    Then there are constant announcements of 'Please allow women and children to sit' every 5 minutes.

    So I go to work, sweaty and tired as hell, I enter the common carriage and guess what? Women are sitting in the common carriage despite there being a women's carriage which is less then packed. And worse is that some men still give up their seats for any women who enter the train.

    Also in the Philippines, the mere accusation of rape can get a man on death row. No DNA evidence is necessary, a woman's word is all it takes. The only reason why those >50% of death row inmates are not executed is because there has been a recent repeal of the death penalty.

    So there's an example of an 'equal' country (it was the Spaniards who imposed the patriarchal order over the egalitarian natives), and guess what there are still a lot of feminist organizations in this shitty country because despite females doing better than males in every conceivable UN educational and quality of living statistic they still find something to complain about.

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    Comment by yaku
    10:11 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Are you kidding me? that fucking sucks, that's one messed up system for rape. There will always be people who take advantage of it and send innocent men to prison.

    Men in the Philippines should do what I do: give up the seat ONLY to pregnant women, women with infants or elderly people. All the other young or middle-aged women should suck it up if there are no seats, that's what equality is about.

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    Comment by Lazydabear
    03:55 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    They're trying to stop ether false or real crimes of groping from happening on trains because they don't always have police officers around to prevent this kind of stuff from happening in a Train all the time.

    If your traveling in Japan do you think the chances of someone touching you or saying you touched them might happen?

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:25 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    If I travel in Japan, I sure as hell am not taking any form of public transportation.

    Comment by NotAnonymous
    12:26 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Japan is becoming so sexist.

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    Comment by Abel Liegod
    12:59 23/12/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    this is so gay o_o

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:37 18/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think the paragraph 'Providing an equal number of carriages for men would likely be difficult for train operators to stomach economically with this passenger density, unless it involved female passengers being packed into their carriages in the same fashion as mixed carriages, which might rather dent their popularity…' pretty much says it all. Much like a lot of 'equality' groups in the US, the issue has little do do with equality, it's about a group with a persecution complex wanting special privilages well above and beyond any sort of equal treatment. Female only cars make sense--but only if they're packed in like sardines the same way as the males are. Robin Williams put it well, I think--'Women want to stand up for their rights, and discover they've lost their seats'. You want equality, then *make* it equal--*no* preferential treatment for *either* side.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:25 26/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    ah , someone actually understands , there may yet be some hope ...

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:31 16/10/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Segregation between male and female because Japan is so fucking mature. Christ, this is pathetic, especially if it's concerning an older demographic.

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    Comment by Sigh
    20:44 22/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    With the amount of overcrowding on Japanese trains, it doesn't surprise me that men get falsely accused. Your so squashed in there, your hand could be pushed up against a girls ass and when you try and move it, she could think shes being groped.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:49 10/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Cameras FTW

    Man and Women only carriages FTL!

    Reason: Cameras cand get anything on tape (and even use it on court if it gets to that) and Man only carriages... well WTF? is the president or who the fuck forwarded this opinion GAY? LoL! Being touched by a man is disturbing and the fights resulting from that could endanger the lifes of every passenger on the train :O! So the guy that forwarded that idea is both GAY and Sadistic :) very sad actually...

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:19 13/08/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Cameras wouldn't work very well on crowded trains, because the crush of passengers would create too many blind spots. You'd need a huge number of downward-looking cameras, and even then it would be hard to tell if two passengers pushed up against each other were groping or just innocently bumping.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:36 21/02/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    haha japan seems so cool

    american boring suburbs ftl..............

    life is a joke.

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    Comment by banna
    10:46 27/06/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sorry to say that japan has crippled itself like this. these "feminazis" seem really annoying, but maybe that's the least of it. Luckily the movement is slower in other places.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:13 19/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    How about chikan carriages for men and willing girls? All problems solved at once. ^_^

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    Comment by Robocop
    18:31 19/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    what is to stop a woman from groping another woman? i'm sure it would happen, maybe not the same extent as men groping the ladies, but surely it has happened, by way of which some poor schmuck innocent of the crime cops the blame...

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:14 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    how about you people just fucking walk to work, japan is a small country it can't be that fucking hard

    Comment by Metalbunny
    02:28 19/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm not a woman, a japanese citizen, a person who has a country rich enough to obtain a fucked-up subway system, a person shameless enough to grope a person and a pervert so this shouldn't concern me at all!!!
    But in someway it may be...

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:33 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm an anti-feminist woman myself, but only because feminism has lost its original meaning.

    Feminism used to be about female empowerment, not male depowerment. When it began, it was much-needed, but now women have been given nearly the same amount of power despite some setbacks.

    We still suffer from sexism, of course, on BOTH sides, but it isn't nearly as bad as it used to be. Now we have the "new" feminist movement filled with stereotypical butch lesbians calling men pigs and putting them down, and working to make the female the superior gender. We owe feminism to where we are today, but I believe that actual empowering women of the ninteenth through early twentieth century would be appalled seeing the women today and their attitudes as far as the new feminist movement goes.

    People need to open up their eyes and see that sexism isn't completely dead, and something needs to be done about it. When women make roughly 75 cents for every dollar a man makes, or when a woman has sex with a man and later decides against it and easily presses rape charges on a man, and he's guilty until proven innocent in that case, then we're still in a terrible day-and-age. Even chivalry is a form of sexism, but somehow I watched a feminist complain that it's rare nowadays.

    Our world is so backwards, isn't it?

    Unfortunately, though, I believe that sexism will ALWAYS exist, so long as people pass down information to their children and raise them to think a certain way, and people continue to fit their gender stereotype, like purposefully ditzy, helpless women and chauvenistic men.

    That being said, when you make terrible comments like "Women only belong in the kitchen" or other wishes like you wish for feminists to be raped, you're just encouraging uninformed women to continue thinking the way they do.

    You don't know what rape is like, and it's the worst experience you can imagine, so you shouldn't wish that on ANYONE.

    TL;DR: Sexism is terrible, but I believe that these new feminists are AIDING sexism's existance instead of preventing it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:19 19/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    That's why some of us make the distinction between feminists like Atma for instance, and Feminazi's like Equality Now.

    Actual feminists are interested in equality. So the equal pay thing you alluded to, meanwhile the Feminazi wants the woman to earn more, despite male and female doing the same amount of work, in the same amount of time, both being with the company for the same length and both having similar educational backgrounds.

    So what you call the new wave of Feminists, I'd call Feminazi.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:47 19/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    No I don't think Atma is a feminist. She's just a strong (and awesome) woman.

    See otakus have nothing against strong women. Cue Saber, any anime girl with a weapon or a sword and behaves honorably with utmost justice.

    See even the heroines in Miyazaki films, despite Miyazaki being a communist and feminists often associated with communists, those girls do not demean men like feminists do today.

    Comment by hALOTOO
    22:44 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    I for one hate crowded train/bus, nothing wrong with men only carriage

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    Comment by Ukonkivi
    21:47 17/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sounds fair enough.

    Comment by mi
    21:53 17/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    i will never want to ride there
    men only...
    boring...

    Comment by SnooSnoo
    21:45 17/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Better yet. Male-only trains and female-only trains.

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    Comment by Chrouya
    23:20 17/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    The female-only trains will still cause troubles, I bet.

    Comment by Zacharov
    23:31 17/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Who cares? As long as the men are in their happy carriage away from the troublesome women.

    Comment by Zacharov
    07:26 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    And the game starts with a male main character being groped by another man.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:07 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sounds like the perfect plot for a yaoi eroge. "Happy Aoi eXpress"?

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:38 21/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    :-3
    Do want

    Comment by Fonzer
    21:41 17/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Finnaly they mention it.
    Those feminist said there are so many male offenders that women need women only carrieges.
    But i was right when i said that women are abusing this law by simply acussing men how they wish.
    Biggest reason the more power you give to one gender the more they abuse it for their own means.
    And if a male would accuse a women for gropping,he would probably be called gay or it would still favor the women,right?

    Damn what a wrong society we live in.

    Comment by plmko
    21:54 17/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Very fair considering in Japan the majority of workers at around 7-9pm (when packed trains occur) are male.

    Comment by Mechalemmiwinks
    22:28 17/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually, given the fact that the feminists in Japan claim that over half of all women are raped at some point, I'm surprised that anyone is allowing any credibility to this.

    Comment by Bozo
    08:15 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually it was sexually assaulted or abused. There are several forms of sexual assault (such as groping) that don't rise to the level of rape.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:26 13/08/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    It is quite possible that well over half of all people have been sexually assaulted, since sexual assault would even cover things like unwanted grab-arse or unwanted fondling at bars or parties - but just like with common assault, the vast majority of cases are too trivial to report or the victim thinks the minimum penalty is excessive for what was done.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:23 18/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    keyword is "claim"

    I for one who like to know where they are getting these statistics and if they are even creditable. Female lie all the time if they think they can get something out of it.

    Comment by liveevil
    22:31 17/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lack of demand my ass. It was even stated in an article in Jap's constitution. A men only carriage is by law, needed. Equalitynow should really make a move on this.

    Also, considering the fact that they refused this for the third time even though there has been a history of false accusation reports and suspects being acquitted only suggests that men are guilty by default.

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    Comment by liveevil
    22:27 17/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lack of demand my ass. It was even stated in an article in Jap's constitution. A men only carriage is by law, needed. Equalitynow should really make a move on this.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:41 17/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    wtf? if all the women goes on to the "women-only" carriages than the regular carriages would ONLY be filled with men...

    Comment by SnooSnoo
    21:47 17/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not all women go into the women-only segment. Thats why that section is less crowded.

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    Comment by Zatsugami
    22:01 17/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    ...Why?
    They prefer being gropped by a man rather than by woman?
    If there's a women-only carriage, then all women should go there.

    Comment by weee
    22:29 17/06/2009 # ! Neutral (0)

    they go to the mixed so they can accuse poor innocent guy, or they're catching the train and enter the closest door.






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