Square Enix has announced yet another continuation of the surprisingly resilient Final Fantasy XIII series – in the form of “Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII” (“Final Fantasy XIII-3” apparently being too straightforward) which promises further Lightning action for the PS3 and Xbox 360.

The trailer and other materials, accompanying “world driven” as the game’s ambiguous buzzphrase (apparently indicating an open-world design), along with some speculation about a possible Facebook link-up and not much else in the way of concrete details:


Whilst Lightning fans are understandably delighted, the more sceptical followers of Square Enix’s progress have been wondering whether the game is yet another effort to cheaply recoup development costs after the various disasters of recent years, and just how long they will have to wait for Final Fantasy XV and VII now…

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    Comment by fxc2
    00:58 02/09/2012 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    Oh for fuck sake Sq Enix, get your shit together. The ship is sinking and the sailors are abandoning it one by one.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:33 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Actually, that ship sank AGES ago...

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:28 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    But they still have submarine :)

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:17 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    They can save the sinking ship by releasing the 13 versus but that seems like the impossible

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:58 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    >he still thinks Versus will ever be released
    >he doesn't realize Versus became XIII-2

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    Comment by HouseLife
    18:18 03/09/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    @ Anonymous 9:24

    As usual, no perspective. The so-called 'abysmal' sales constitute a worldwide total of 2.5 million sales within the first ten weeks on both consoles. For some perspective, a game going above a million sales is relatively uncommon and considered a hit. I will give you that that is less than half of the first one, however calling those sales abysmal is ridiculous.

    People so jaded with XIII not trying XIII-2, there's nothing I can say to that except that they have no opinions of their own and aren't really worth listening to as a gamer. As a company, they needed less to make it and know that they would recoup the costs by listening and implementing.

    They did. It worked. Everyone I know enjoyed it much more. Those who are waiting are waiting for less risk and a lesser cost. Since the third one is coming, the blanks will be filled in by many more and more sales will be generated.

    Get off your high horses and play the game, or don't and cease the whining, because XIII has been over and done with for years. There are many, many hundreds of thousands of people who loved both. The vocal hatred is not an accurate representation.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:31 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    >I still thinks that Versus will be release
    >You're wrong. Versus have a completely different story to XIII

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:34 08/02/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    I played both the XIII and XIII-2. The XIII-2 had too many issues with playability to say XIII-2 is a good game. A few improvments over XIII but XIII-2 is mostly worse than XIII. Lots of irritating "mind" games in the game put there to waste your time. Lots of backtracking and trying to find the needle in the haystack, not fun. I don't think XIII was responsible for the low sales of XIII-2, XIII-2 simply isn't stellar.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:19 03/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    > The series never sank. It was always pretty damn good.

    Sales were so abysmal that, coupled with the even more crippling XIV release, the company almost folded. Good games don't bring an established studio to the brink of financial ruin.

    >All the spoiled people who just want another FF7 would just complain about that too.

    As much as I dislike VII, what's the problem with sequeling the most successful game of the series? Sounds like the most logical thing to do after nearly bankrupting your company. And how does wanting a particular game to be sequeled make one "spoiled"? Would your desire for a third XIII not make you spoiled, as well? Or are you merely attempting to devalue the thoughts and feelings of the people who disagree with you on a personal level?

    > If you don't like the characters or setting, that's your problem, not everyone's. I enjoyed them immensely and loved what they did with XIII-2 even more.

    You're in the minority. Judging from the sales figures an the number of copies of the previous XIII games that sat on store shelves collecting dust, Squeenix needs to regain the trust of a majority of their former market, and more of the same isn't going to do it.

    > If you didn't like it, you need not uselessly vocalize it, because one way or another, your wish will come true and this part of the series will be over soon.

    So your opinion is the only one that has worth and everyone else's is useless and invalid because they're not you? You feel that so strongly that you'd make an effort to silence those who disagree with you?

    > Let those of us who do know how to enjoy a game on its own merit without complaining that it wasn't something you played before enjoy it and wait for your next thing to come out so you can bitch.

    Entertainment is one of the most subjective things on the planet, and you're so conceited that you claim to have some magical ability to enjoy things that other people don't like and that makes you inherently superior and gives you the privilege of criticizing others on a personal level over the internet.

    You hate shit I enjoy and I hate shit you enjoy.

    You are not special.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:24 03/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    If you enjoyed it, that's fine. But most people did not enjoy XIII enough to even try XIII-2. Sales on XIII-2 were abysmal. Unless LR:FFXIII is a huge hit, it likely won't sell well. Sales don't make a a game good or bad, but continually poor sales will lead the the destruction of the company. SE seems to be on that path, and it appears to somehow think this is the right move. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think SE is down the creek without a paddle.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:37 03/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    didn't they stop versus's development cause there wasn't enough money ?

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    Comment by HouseLife
    17:38 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    The series never sank. It was always pretty damn good. I have never apologized for the issues in the XIII series, as there are several, but there also are nowhere near as many as people make them out to be. All the spoiled people who just want another FF7 would just complain about that too.

    If you don't like the characters or setting, that's your problem, not everyone's. I enjoyed them immensely and loved what they did with XIII-2 even more. Their new approach with a more story-centric gameplay was something I wanted, and the expansion of the universe is remarkable. The lack of opening the full paradigm system and the horrendous integration of lore in XIII still didn't stop it from being a very good game for me. I don't see how this one will slow it down, but I'll still wait and see and not prejudge it in a positive or negative direction. I just hope they turn a strong duo into an excellent trilogy.

    If you didn't like it, you need not uselessly vocalize it, because one way or another, your wish will come true and this part of the series will be over soon. Let those of us who do know how to enjoy a game on its own merit without complaining that it wasn't something you played before enjoy it and wait for your next thing to come out so you can bitch.

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    Comment by HouseLife
    19:06 04/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    @ Anonymous 14:19

    Your information is plain wrong about them nearing bankruptcy. I've never seen any information that would state that a single tanked game could possibly bring a publisher of that magnitude to its knees like that, and it simply wouldn't. Considering your completely incorrect 'abysmal sales' statement that is based on no facts, I yet again have to conclude that you don't have a clue what you're talking about. If anything caused them financial difficulty, it was the hacking of their systems.

    I don't care if people think I'm conceited because I enjoyed something and care nothing for their negativity that does nothing to offer meaningful critique. Those same people never seem to recognize that I fully admit their faults while sincerely enjoying the games. I will critique games when they deserve it in every case, but I also am apparently capable of a special 'magical gift' of taking something on its own merit without pretending that complaints do anything beneficial. And sadly it apparently IS rare, because so many people know nothing but how to complain about every minor thing without even sitting back to breathe it all in first. Those people ARE in fact worthless. To me, and the community as a whole that they claim to support.

    And yes, everyone else who doesn't even play the second game in the series and pre-judge it is in fact utterly useless. To argue otherwise is to be the conceited one. If I have to explain why, it's pointless anyway. Complaints about XIII were just as subjective as the 'entertainment' perceptions you described anyway.

    I couldn't care less if you didn't enjoy the game, you're absolutely free to do so and have a different preference for the way your games are made, but the people who did like it are not a minority. You merely believe that because the complainers are the ones who feel righteous in their childish fury about a game that didn't fit their cookie-cutter perceptions and bitch about it endlessly, seeking more and more recognition and brotherhood in their negativity.

    They don't defend because they know the ones who will scream the loudest will just overwhelm the logical breakdown of what was good about the experience.

    I on the other hand know that every single one of you who complain are always the same. Never changes, it's always the same mindset and same one-step logic.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Versus will be released. Square Enix has already said that it is still in development.

    Comment by Anonymous

    KH3 anyone?

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:08 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    milk this crap away so maybe that will put SE in bankrupt state again and then maybe they will create something good

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:07 04/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    you love all the seamen fxc2

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    Comment by Castian
    09:09 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    Agreed, FFXIII it's afail product and they're trying to milk the same Skeletons, Skins, voices, textures, maps, story, plot and much more that they already re-used in FFXIII-2, and now for a third time, WTF?

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:36 02/09/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Check out the logo. This is the first FF that doesn't have traditional art, traditional Font and name on it.

    That crystal(?) symbol reminds me of the Skyrim dragon, remoulded to look like a vagina.

    And that font. Are they trying to make customers believe this is somehow related to Metal Gear Rising?

    Lightning Returns sounds strangely similar to Lightning Bolt Action. Perhaps people will think they're related. Both have a high chance of being shitty games.

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    Comment by Castian
    09:14 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Everything about this game (and it's game series) looks fishy, lazzy and lame.
    Loved FFXIII's in-game events, Hated everything else
    Loved FFXIII-2's Pokemon system, Hated the rest.
    So far i hate the idea of FFXIII Lighting Returns.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:26 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    A P* game that already looks like GOTY 2013 has a high chance to be shitty? You sir, are an idiot.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:59 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Metal Gear being broken down into a fighting game with action sequences reminiscent of Twin Snakes in the GameCube.

    Platinum Games or no, the Raiden series is heading towards a direction most fans are dubious about.

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    Comment by JasperKazai
    23:46 01/09/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    It's like UbiSoft with Ezio from AC. They just keep making games based on the same character. I don't even give a shit about FF, but they need to move on already. XIII was a bad game, give up.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:07 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Fuck lightening! Every game she's ever been in has sucked balls! They need to just give it a rest and introduce a new main character instead of trying to reintroduce a failed one for the THIRD TIME!

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    Comment by Dan Hibiki
    01:38 02/09/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    I like how your comment really had nothing to do with the comment you were replying to, it makes we wonder if you didn't just reply to it just to be at the top....

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:04 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    You're wrong, the initial post talked about the main character too. Just not a whole lot.

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    Comment by Castian
    09:11 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Seconded, Lightenging is the worst main character ever in FF, they say "Beautiful yet Strong"....
    Tifa Lockhart and Terra are "Beautiful yet strong"
    Lightening is more like "Femenine yet Macho attitue yet Bitchy"

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:35 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    The most prominent point being "Bitchy" I'm still pissed that it feels like she never got her comeupence for the way she treated snow. He was my third favorite character after sgt. pepper and ms. cloud cuckoolander. Everyone else lacked basic common sense or the right to live. Thus the whole story was assbackwards and horrible.

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    Comment by cats2
    01:11 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Just seeing the headline made me spit out my water almost with the "Pffft, oh come on..." reaction..

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    Comment by Greg Boscole
    04:34 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Like Michael "Rage Quit" Jones?

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:07 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    This reminds me of how preschoolers are taught their shapes. Some kids get it on their next try but you still have the slow ones in class that try to shove a circle through a square slot for hours. Square Enix is just that slow kid in class.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:51 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    But the Ezio games were made while III was in dev to avoid a big empty space.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:26 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    But 13-2 doesn't even have Lightning as a playable character. It's the same world, but with new characters, new story and new gameplay. That's much more than most sequels have nowadays.

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    Comment by Dia
    01:58 02/09/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    Exceptionally bad decision making, Square. Who would decide to make the most sequals to the least successful game of the franchise. It's like they're trying to prove something instead of trying to make money.

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    Comment by DarkChaplain
    02:21 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    In terms of cash, XIII was quite good to them. The least successful FF would probably be XIV, as it has been a money-sink for years.

    Now, if they'd measure success in pleased customers, Square Enix would be bankrupt three times over...

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:47 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not really. 13's sales would have been a great profit for any other company, but Wada always manages to find a way to turn it into a loss.

    Not that it really matters anyway. The whole damn industry seems to be starting to crash, and SE has to go down with everyone else.

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    Comment by LoliFanForEver
    00:42 02/09/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    I don't even know what to say anymore... SE you are dead to me

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    Comment by Castian
    09:15 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    And if they re-maked all their titles but now with just lolis?

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:03 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    How about you give us the fucking game we actually want and make the mother fucking FFVII remake already you shitheads.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:41 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    The reason you're never gonna see an FF7 remake (or KH3 or a third Chrono game) is because even SE knows perfectly well they'd just fuck it up. And that's the LAST thing their already terrible reputation needs.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:56 03/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I want them to make new games that do not include XIII OR VII. FFVII is considered so good because it was many peoples first FF and they were blown away by it. It is a great game, but not much beyond most other (pre-XII) FF games.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:25 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)


    If you have time to waste on making more Final Fantasy 13s... Please. Please, put that time and effort into making a TWEWY sequel. Everyone wants one.

    And maybe stop making spin-offs of KH and actually make the 3rd game, or even make a new Final Fantasy in echo of the old classics that were the reason everyone loved the series, rather than trying new shit all the time.

    Seriously. You guys made classics, do not forget them.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:43 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    TWEWY was co-developed by SE and Jupiter. Given SE's track record, it's a pretty safe bet they were doing all the heavy lifting there. Ask THEM for a sequel, not SE...

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:03 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Holy shit, did you guys see that video??

    It's pure PR/flowery talk bullshit. I can't believe he can say all that shit without throwing up.

    WTF is going on at Square.

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    Comment by Castian
    09:21 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Instead of wasting munny on a decent gameplay video and ruining the only 2 good in-game events of our recent games, we decided to make a video of me talking shit about a shitty game and try to sell it that wat....yeah"

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:25 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    he is getting orgasm from reading those speech text.

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    Comment by Shadow C
    23:39 01/09/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Please kill it with fire. This has gone on for long enough.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:49 25/03/2014 # ! Neutral (0)

    don't bother with this game it's a crappy timed game (which seems really half arsed. well looks like at least i will be returning to the old games don't know about the rest of you

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:51 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    The dead horse has not only been beaten, but all its bones have been broken and it's been set on fire.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:19 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    it would be better if they make another chrono series then go back to final fantasy. i bet another stacks of final fantasy will be in corner with sale sign

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:39 02/09/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    FF XIII has been a huge fail when they decided to make Lighting's little sister a main character.

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