Japanese prefectural authorities charged with censoring manga have been caught saying that titles in which women take the lead are “very dangerous” as they may “promote homosexual development amongst the youth.”
From the minutes of the 13 member “2nd Miyazaki Prefectural Commission for the Promotion of Healthy Youth Development,” a local government body charged with censoring ‘harmful literature’ (the ‘harmful literature’ such bodies concern themselves with is virtually always manga):
[The committee is discussing the wickedness of displaying "boys love" and "ladies comics" amongst 'normal' non-adult manga in local bookstore shelves]
Committee Member A:
In these books there is some violence and cruelty, and most have sexually provocative material.
In particular, many include scenes of women taking the lead ahead of men, and I think they’ll promote the prejudiced view that women want this.
And if you keep getting these depictions of women taking the lead, matters soon develop in a homosexual direction and it must become difficult to develop sexually in a normal fashion, mustn’t it?
This may not always be the case, but I think for the male conciousness they may end up thinking they cannot take the lead themselves, and so they tend to turn homosexual more often as a result.
I can’t help but think it is very dangerous to our young people, should they see this sort of material mixed in amongst normal books.
No objection to these sentiments were recorded in the committee minutes, although whether this reflects the consensus opinion of the committee or merely the Japanese custom of never arguing or telling the truth in public in case it might cause group discord is not clear.
The body’s suggestions for works to be designated as ‘urgently designated harmful entertainment’ were apparently accepted. The committee could not decide on any titles to recommend, as it was “difficult.”
Online, the remarks have attracted a storm of criticism, not least because it is readily apparent that the self-appointed prudes charged with censoring manga are absolutely crazy:
“These people do not in any way have the requisite intelligence to debate this sort of thing, they are just forcing their prejudices onto other people.”
“They just treat anything they don’t like as unnatural or unhealthy. Who knows what they think is natural…”
“These people are like the ‘Pornography and Sexual Violence Victims Association’ extremists behind the Tokyo manga ban, saying people who read manga are mentally defective.
Funnily enough, they never said anything about Ishihara’s bashing of homosexuals. I suppose the only human rights worth defending are the ones which benefit their interests.”
“I cannot believe this committee has managed to come to the conclusion that an ‘environment which promotes homosexuality’ (and there is no scientific consensus as to whether homosexuality is environmental or genetic or both) is ‘very dangerous.’”
“The only prejudice here is that displayed by the person in this committee! Please, give this nonsense a rest.”
“I hope this member will write a manga featuring what they regard as ‘normal sexual relations’…”
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Ah yes. The next step in Ishihara's manifesto for dominance over the pansy Japanese. Just wait until they start putting up concentration camps for their minorities. Fascism is an ever-repeating vicious circle. Why? Because the foolishness of mankind is infinite.
Why don't thy also say "boys taking the lead make girls lesbian"?
It's the same logic thinking
But I really like femdom, I must be gay then :(
Does it make you bisexual if you like taking turns?
Shit, the whole 'sexuality as an excuse' is getting more stupid and out of context.
If more males are becoming 'subservient', then who is supposed to take the lead in a homosexual relationship?
Except that women are naturally in a subservient role to men. Try again. If anything, a woman being subjected by a strong male makes her more straight, even a lesbian.
Can't tell if trolling or just stupid........
Well, there can always be: "I do more chicks than dudes" or "I do more dudes than chicks"
"Except that women are naturally in a subservient role to men. Try again. If anything, a woman being subjected by a strong male makes her more straight, even a lesbian."
And people blame all feminists of being feminazis, and and also wonder why some women hate men.
I'm a man, and reading that made me feel like men should be exterminated. Seriously, just kill yourself. You unforgivably sick fuck.
"More straight"? I didn't know there was a gradient system. Always thought it's either "I do dudes", "I do chicks" or "I do both".
No, that's regular sexual harassment.
That's why men oby default gets arrested if seen along with women...
Fascism isn't necessarily racialist (see Brazilian Integralist movement) or even discriminatory. Rather it is a doctrine valueing the rule of competence over the rule of equality.
it is of course quite common for it to devolve into superiority complexes, but there are numerous successful examples like modern-day Singapore, Novo Estada, etc. and existing democracies in the modern day do integrate fascist elements, the 'vision' of a community defined by a strong, cohesive group (typically the nation).
strongly cohesive (not necessarily strong)
Ok now THAT is something I NEVER expected to see in Sankaku, someone not just give an example from Brazil but an obscure one at that! Man, I assume you is a brazilian like me, I know of this movement from history books but I dont think I would ever uses it in an argument, you sir deserves a prize, congratz! And I am not using sarcasm!
"the rule of competence over the rule of equality"
If this isn't discriminatory against incompetence, then what is it?
You think it's bad to discriminate the incompetent? Seriously?
Competence is related to personal skills. Incompetent people can acquire the necessary skills and become competent. Furthermore, incompetence is an objective factor to judge by because it has a very significant effect on the final result, where physical traits such as race or gender are insignificant next to actual skill and aptitude.
Discrimination is to prefer a less skilled person because he is (insert preferred stereotype). Preferring someone who will do a better job is pure efficiency. If getting things done better than the competition makes me a biggot then I'd rather remain such than cuddle people who put no effort into improving themselves.
"Incompetent people can acquire the necessary skills and become competent"
Well, not always. Look up the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
Yeah right. Like that will ever happen.
It doesn't take much.
Germany was on it's way of forming a stable democracy before WW2, however the centuries-old prejudices and nationalistic propaganda turned it into a death trap for minorities.
Japan is full of unchallenged prejudice and hatred. Nationalistic tendencies are growing as we speak. The right wingers systematically rob the populace of fundamental rights and burden them with ludicrous, archaic regulations and bans.
To be honest, we can see such developments in almost every other country on the globe. It really took off when the "war on terror" was used as an excuse to rule the masses with fear tactics. The crashes on the stock markets further intensified this dangerous situation of government versus populace.
It really doesn't take that much to tip the balances of a country. You think that cruelty against other humans would be impossible in Japan? It's already happening as we post. Talk to people from Fukushima region about their current life. Representatives of the Japanese government openly challenged their rights as human beings. In front of a camera. For everyone to see. That's where we are heading.
Well said,
Looking at the US from the outside you can already see this happening.
lol I've said this almost every time I saw one of those posts here.
Nice to finally see someone else noticing the stronger growing fascism.
In related news, welcome to America
@Anon 11:15
The Weimar Republic was not doomed to fail because the Republic was weak but instead because the politicians were weak and sadly incompetent to maintain the democratic process. Hitler forced himself to power while his political opponents COULD have saved the Republic. The main argument still remains that even a country that was on its way to a democracy or even a full-fledged democracy stands and falls with its peoples willingness to succumb to injustice and prejudice.
hmmmmm - oh mah gahhhh!!
"Germany was on it's way of forming a stable democracy before WW2"
The lack of Historical understanding is simply astounding with this one.
Unless of course you consider street violence and de-facto civil war between the communist Sparticus league and the Freikorps to be leading to a stable democracy.
Democracy in anycase is a pointless and failed experiment.
I think I see where this is going.
1. Boy sees girl being aggressive in manga and taking the lead.
2. Boy assumes a girl will take the lead with him, so he takes no initiative.
3. Boy doesn't get a girlfriend.
4. Boy's confidence falls.
5. Boy devotes himself to his studies and becomes socially awkward.
6. Boy invents mind-altering "sexual desirinator" raygun to make a girl fall for him.
7. Prototype raygun misfires and explodes.
8. Boy becomes gay from the ray's explosion.
9. ???
10. Godzilla is summoned by Japanese gay pride parade.
An all too common occurrance, I'm afraid.
How about instead of Ultraman its now ULTRAGAY.
YOU MADE MY DAY!
Yep, you nailed that down.
just... wow
this is so beyond ridiculous i don't even know where to start or if i should even bother.
just how do you get from
>women taking the lead
to
>suddenly get sexually interested in men
?
that's... just not how anything works
and just how- ah fuck it
Actually, that's not what they are saying. The hypothesis is that exposing men to a culture where women dominate could turn some men gay.
As much as I despise anything that is yaoi and fujoshi, I can't believe how stupid these Japanese politicians can actually get.
If they're gonna be retarded enough to ban some "women taking the lead" anime/manga/novel that aren't even BL or targeted for women like K-ON!, Please Kill Me Baby, Ika Musume, and Zero no Tsukaima, I'll go to Japan and start a riot. These people need to stop kissing iShitHara's ass.
When I saw "Miyazaki" on the commission's name, I hope Hayao Miyazaki will not agree with them. I'll be disgusted if he does, considering that he likes his leading girls who have positive traits in his works.
Inteligent politicans are endangered species so what do you expect?
Endangered? Ha! Try extinct.
Intelligent politicians are like fairies and unicorns, they don't exist and never have ...
i think they went extinct around 40 years ago...
Hayao Miyazaki is a self proclaimed feminist, but all he really seeks is equality between the sexes. He's not a supporter of radical feminism.
Keep in mind his age and the fact that he's seen how the media treats women in Japan. Also consider that although the female leads in his anime are strong and take the lead, they are also still feminine, and the male protagonists are still respectable and strong.
I think he's got the right idea and the rest of Japan needs to catch up. This includes the women who aren't seeking equality, but dominance.
miyazaki had some stupid speeches about youngster whose minds are warped by the internets and video games, some months ago. Don't get your hopes too high
But his stories usually have strong female protagonists and you don't see any of them turning men gay or them being lesbians just because they take the lead; his speeches about youngsters always involve his disappointment on how they're apathetic about their surroundings and don't take the initiative. Yeah he can get a little crazy but I don't see him going as far as saying this or that will turn people gay.
There is no love lost on my side for you pedrobear but that is the best thing I have ever seen you utter.
I'm straight as an arrow - nary a gay desire in my body - and yet I really enjoy it when a woman takes the lead.
Besides it being sexy, I'm genuinely worried about them getting hurt. I'm 6'5" and I am nowhere nears thin. I typically outweigh a woman by double. She takes the lead, I can't accidentally hurt her.
And yes, it has (unfortunately) happened. (Mainly a flexibility issue - relations with someone who is over a foot shorter than you require some modicum of flexibility on the woman's part for certain positions that she may not have.)
That's not gay or weak at all. Your reasons for it are from a desire for their safety, which is a masculine trait.
I think Japan's problem is that their expectations about what is "masculine" are extremely outdated. They are all about visible actions (however phony) instead of goals or internal strength.
How is the desire for another's safety a masculine trait? Don't mother's of a species typically have the strongest desire to protect their young and loved ones? If anything, I'd say it's not even a sexual trait at all - both sexes (should probably) desire those they care about to be safe and unharmed.
i guess japan still thinks being gay is a choice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukio_Mishima
Yukio Mishima says, "Being gay is a FABULOUS choice that will help you overthrow the government!"
Mishima was gay...? Well, that explains some of the things I've read from him over the years.
The southern states believe the same thing. Whats you're point?
to be fair, bisexuality is.
Nnnnno it's not. The choice to indulge in it is, but bisexuality is just like any other sexual orientation. You either are or you aren't. If you're in the closet about it and decide just to be straight or just to be gay, that's more of a choice than being bisexual.
>That "being in the closet" garbage is crap and has been scientifically >refuted plenty of times.
Please site source, because I missed that class in Psych school. On the shit people say online or do you even know what being in the closet means or how its used.
That "being in the closet" garbage is crap and has been scientifically refuted plenty of times.
that is their excuse for being gay. they are not *courageous enough to be gay.
*Taken from dialogue in nisemonogatari
So men taking the lead turns our girls into lesbians?
Now I know how mankind will die out.
Kill this committee now. Please.
BUT WHAT IF THEY ARE RIGHT?!
I played FFXIII and watched Ghost in the Shell and Howl's Moving Castle! I might turn gay tomorrow!
FUUUUUUUU-!!!!!
Bad idea. They might get arrested for it.
Women taking the lead turn boys gays.
Men taking the lead turn boys into rapists.
You can't win with these crazies. That string of argument sounds like something from a Baptist church.
Trannys taking the lead turns everyone into bis.
And bis turns everybody... straight?
I'm not surprised.
Nah. Those old people are just being crazy.
Wait strong men can turn their GF into lez and how is this bad, as long as she shares and the second is hot, I am all for it. More girls has never been a bad thing for guy. Good reason I don't like China and India or those Muslim country. Way to many guys in them.
I don't know if anyone told you but lesbians don't want to sleep with you.
u what lol? made no sense
FUCK SHIT HEAD!
eat girl sell bike drive pizza
Men taking the lead teach women their place.
Some women like to be rebels and fight the status quo so they turn to lesbianism. It's also popularly known as Feminism.
There are even homosexuals on TV now, as if there is nothing wrong with it. Japan is too unregulated. I stick my penis through a hole in a paper door and come with a sense of duty.
i seriously hope this is a poor attempt of troling, otherwise i pity you for you'll lead a very very ronery life
V-V-V-VIRGIN.
Oh yeah, treating women rights like shit doesn't make a good date conversation.
yeah for shojou manga and drama goes to rich prince hero or bad ass hero often with load of money. the defence look weak
And no "ladies first", we can hold doors too. It's not because our average height and muscles are lower than men's that we are oooh so weak. I punch boys and girls in the face the same way, no discrimination.
"i dont want women to make the same money as a man for the same work"
Are you listening to yourself? Americans speak about equality but the whole nation is backwards (and obese). No wonder those filthy Americans make other countries want to throw up.
Sure is American in here. Don't assume your fucked-up excuse for a society and civil law system works even remotely like in other developed parts of the world.
This is @ anons 01:03 and 23:51.
The current state of affairs with regards to gender equality in the world is nothing more and nothing less than backlash from thousands of years of female oppression. It's much worse in the US though, since you lot always had a hang for going into extremes. In Europe things have calmed down a lot since the aftermath of radical feminism (though there are a few exceptions, like Sweden). You're hard pressed finding a woman who doesn't want to work, earn her own money and be independent even in marriage here. In fact, when my parents divorced, my mother had to pay thousands of Euros in marital gain compensation since she brought a lot more money into the family through her job.
Your anecdotal "evidence" is nothing more than examples of another side of the American madness.
American men are so behind. All you guys do is whine about feminism ruining everything but whining is all you do.
The rest of us have managed to find actual equality in relationships and laws because we did more than sit at our computer and whine about shit.
I don't blame your women for treating you badly. There are no real men in America. I'd be frustrated too.
No one understands ~____~.
What you call "feminism" is EXTREMIST FEMINISM.
REAL feminism DOESN'T WANT PRIVILEGES. We want the same thing. We also want to pay on dates and pay for children, because we wanna be equal to men. All those things that exist right now are not fucking equal, this is why we call this a sexist society, duh.
It seems to me that you only see the points you wanna see, and not the whole fucking thing. I'm a woman, but I DO realize there's lots of things in which men are disavantaged.
I repeat, what YOU call feminism is not, it's extremist feminism.
And for children custody, well, I'd say men got what they "deserved". Saying "I'm a strong man, I don't have feelings, I'm impulsive" and stuff, acting like a caveman doesn't make you the good person to raise children. Even if it's just acting, you chose to give yourselves a "bad guy" attitude, which is commonly considered as bad education for children. And women are considered kind, nice, caring and loving children.
So...blame it on society. Blame it on centuries of "bla bla bla I'm a tough guy and here's a weak women".
And I wanna change that. So fucking stop considering that having a uterus/a penis defines your whole personality and your place in society.
I'll tell you what. Forget the term "feminism", just understand "egalitarism".
Feminism ISN'T "all rights for women, nothing for men". Feminism is about equality, and that means MORE rights for men, when it comes to paternity for example. Most men don't get that feminism is good for them too.
The feminism you think about is extremist feminism, which is a bad thing, just like machism. I don't want to have all the rights (guess what, I'm a girl), I just want the same amount of money as a man when we both have the same job, I want the right to consider myself as a human being when walking in the street, and when I'm married, I want my husband to care about the children too. My father was a jerk, as soon as he got divorced he totally forgot about his children, not caring about anything, just wanting to see them to piss off my mother. I don't want my children to live like that, for fuck sake.
Also, in France, we have very few women at home, or women that have fantasies about rich and beautiful men. Japanese people really are...bizarre.
So, don't consider feminism as a bad thing. It's not like you think it is. It's good for women, and for men.
8:52 I've set foot in America.
The men are pathetic and I don't see why the women there waste time with them.
The men don't know how to dress or act, they try too hard too look macho and think anything less than this pathetic macho charade is "gay", but in the end they look like small dogs barking. Weak and pathetic.
They also over-sexualize everything, which is why women have them by the balls over there. They are all so desperate. Show a hint of a breast or any sort of artistic or non-sexual nudity and they'll call home bragging about it.
Why would any woman in her right mind respect or want that? There are plenty of other countries for American women of all races and cultures to find men who are actual men, and not the whiny leg-humping dogs that American men are.
Seriously, have half you people ever set foot in America, ever in your life?
Your bigotry makes you look as weak arrogant and retarded as you assume all of this country is.
Do the world a favor, learn something, or some respect. Or kill yourself,bigots like yourself dont need to breed.
Why do American men blame all their problems on feminism? Men in America are weak and pathetic and all they do is whine about the past.
I love American women. I find they are only selfish when it comes to pathetic American men because American men don't know how to be real men. They are easily to push around and then get pissed off when it happens.
Anytime I see whining about feminism I know there is some American "man" commenting.
@21:38 Ever heard the saying ladies first ?
Yes, but when you look at what "equality" has done to society you'll see his point.
Lower birth rates. Women having fantasy-like expectations of their men. Declining job security and availability. One-sided divorce proceedings. The list continues, but the biggest problem is that its the same in every country with supposed "gender equality."
I'm not saying we need to take away the laws that gave them more rights, what we need to do is impose more laws that balance it out for the men's side.
The one I hate most is how one-sided Divorces are.
1 Man (Working), 1 Woman (Not Working), 1 Kid (10yo, Student). The woman gets custody and Alimony and child support.
1 Man (Not Working), 1 Woman (Working), 1 Kid (10yo, Student). The woman gets custody and the man is told to get a job to pay child support BY THE STATE.
How the hell is that equal?
"Feminism is about equality"
Read Gloria Steinem and say that again with a straight face.
"A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle"
Feminism promotes women over men. As evidence I submit the current form of the US judicial system.
Example 1: A man drinks, a woman drinks, they both agree to have sex. If the woman wants, she can turn around and cry rape. The false rape victim may not have the opportunity to cross examine or even publish the "victim's" name, thereby removing his right to see his accuser or even make the name public to rally public support.
Example 2: If we're so egalitarian, why do men still give 50% of their earnings over to women upon divorce? And why are the children defaulted to the women most of the time?
Example 3: Black men have made it a point to show how the judicial system is biased against them in the form of longer prison sentences. The same applies to women vs men. Some women don't even go to prison, but lax 'mental facilities' on much lower yearly terms, or simply dumped off on probation.
Example 4: Women have all birth rights, but men have zero control over child support.
Example 5: A false rape accusation is only a misdemeanor. With rape laws the way they are, the accuser may not even have their name published most of the time. In contrast, the accused is routinely striped of their careers, children and privacy, even before the verdict, which if guilty on the very thin terms, usually without evidence or being able to see their accuser, will follow them around for life, land them in prison and potentially lead to something fatal happened in prison.
Anonymous
22:26
im in america, and male, so you get where im coming from.
i dont want women to make the same money as a man for the same work, at least in low level to mid level jobs, if you are in a high end job (something that you have to graduate collage with a masters for, or rose above everyone else to be at the absolute top) you can make as much as you damn well please. my reasoning is this, men have to pay for the dates, men have to always pay for the woman basically anywhere, and its almost a non optional agreement if you ever want to have sex in that relationship.
a divorce happens, they get half the mans shit, alimony, and if we had a kid, way to fucking much in "child support" (never has to be verified that the money was spent on the kid). and let me ask you this, if you bring up a prenuptial agreement, you are planing for the marriage to fail... tell me how well that goes over with women.
i cant find it, but a study was done that accounted for all the money men have to spend on women, and it shows that women come out on top, even with a 25% difference, even if it was 30-35% they would still come out on time much of the time.
and lets not also go into the perks of being a woman in the eyes of the law.
anon 20:41 are you human? why would you like to treat another human like that? (and this is aside of being women or men)
You know those times when you encounter something so stupid, so retarded, so absolutely below what you'd usually expect to find that as a sensible human being there are literally no words to express your incredulity?
This is one of those times.
A good facewall should do the trick
He's so stupid it hurts...
He's so stupid that I feel smart!.....
...not that I don't feel smart usually....because I do....*ahem*.....
Get a mirror and you'll see something worse there.
And if you keep getting these depictions of women taking the lead, matters soon develop in a homosexual direction and it must become difficult to develop sexually in a normal fashion, mustn’t it?
Women with pride and confidence turn men gay?
Shit, I must be the gayest rainbow loving homo-bastard then, cuz I love women with self-esteem and dignity whom stand up for themselves.
Release your inner homo.
FOOOO!
Only if you have cookies, Lord Sith.
According to them everybody that is into BDSM and dominatrix is gay...
Those old geezers are a bunch of liars.
here, here, and what is wrong with the girl doing the work and us guys just enjoying the pleasure.
I think Japans conservative party is as gay closet homo as the ones here in the States.
How old are you twelve? You have no idea what "taking the lead" means.
Neither do you, apparently, considering that 'taking the lead' is such a broad term as mentioned that it does in fact mean Dominatrix/BDSM apparenyl turns you gay, according the man who penned that very article, describing why 'women taking the lead' is 'censorship worthy.'
Women taking the lead can mean femdom, but not necessarily, it means women are the active in sex, and men are the passive, e.g man lays on his back, women grabs penis and puts it inside her, then she moves on her own, that's what a woman taking lead means, and i don't see how is that dangerous, though it might be harmful if it's extreme femdom, also there's this strap-on reverse anal, a woman wears a strap-on and uses it on a man's anus, i wouldn't be surprised if they banned that along with BL/yaoi though.