Censors: “Women Taking The Lead Turns Our Boys Gay!”

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Japanese prefectural authorities charged with censoring manga have been caught saying that titles in which women take the lead are “very dangerous” as they may “promote homosexual development amongst the youth.”

From the minutes of the 13 member “2nd Miyazaki Prefectural Commission for the Promotion of Healthy Youth Development,” a local government body charged with censoring ‘harmful literature’ (the ‘harmful literature’ such bodies concern themselves with is virtually always manga):

[The committee is discussing the wickedness of displaying "boys love" and "ladies comics" amongst 'normal' non-adult manga in local bookstore shelves]

Committee Member A:

In these books there is some violence and cruelty, and most have sexually provocative material.

In particular, many include scenes of women taking the lead ahead of men, and I think they’ll promote the prejudiced view that women want this.

And if you keep getting these depictions of women taking the lead, matters soon develop in a homosexual direction and it must become difficult to develop sexually in a normal fashion, mustn’t it?

This may not always be the case, but I think for the male conciousness they may end up thinking they cannot take the lead themselves, and so they tend to turn homosexual more often as a result.

I can’t help but think it is very dangerous to our young people, should they see this sort of material mixed in amongst normal books.

No objection to these sentiments were recorded in the committee minutes, although whether this reflects the consensus opinion of the committee or merely the Japanese custom of never arguing or telling the truth in public in case it might cause group discord is not clear.

The body’s suggestions for works to be designated as ‘urgently designated harmful entertainment’ were apparently accepted. The committee could not decide on any titles to recommend, as it was “difficult.”

Online, the remarks have attracted a storm of criticism, not least because it is readily apparent that the self-appointed prudes charged with censoring manga are absolutely crazy:

“These people do not in any way have the requisite intelligence to debate this sort of thing, they are just forcing their prejudices onto other people.”

“They just treat anything they don’t like as unnatural or unhealthy. Who knows what they think is natural…”

“These people are like the ‘Pornography and Sexual Violence Victims Association’ extremists behind the Tokyo manga ban, saying people who read manga are mentally defective.

Funnily enough, they never said anything about Ishihara’s bashing of homosexuals. I suppose the only human rights worth defending are the ones which benefit their interests.”

“I cannot believe this committee has managed to come to the conclusion that an ‘environment which promotes homosexuality’ (and there is no scientific consensus as to whether homosexuality is environmental or genetic or both) is ‘very dangerous.’”

“The only prejudice here is that displayed by the person in this committee! Please, give this nonsense a rest.”

“I hope this member will write a manga featuring what they regard as ‘normal sexual relations’…”


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    Comment by Anonymous
    20:18 09/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Ah yes. The next step in Ishihara's manifesto for dominance over the pansy Japanese. Just wait until they start putting up concentration camps for their minorities. Fascism is an ever-repeating vicious circle. Why? Because the foolishness of mankind is infinite.

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    Comment by nanuchan
    20:50 09/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Why don't thy also say "boys taking the lead make girls lesbian"?

    It's the same logic thinking

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:52 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    But I really like femdom, I must be gay then :(

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:39 11/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Does it make you bisexual if you like taking turns?

    Shit, the whole 'sexuality as an excuse' is getting more stupid and out of context.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:42 13/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    If more males are becoming 'subservient', then who is supposed to take the lead in a homosexual relationship?

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    Comment by Ecchi-BANZAII
    01:36 11/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    No, that's regular sexual harassment.
    That's why men oby default gets arrested if seen along with women...

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:51 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Except that women are naturally in a subservient role to men. Try again. If anything, a woman being subjected by a strong male makes her more straight, even a lesbian.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:51 11/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Can't tell if trolling or just stupid........

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:35 13/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, there can always be: "I do more chicks than dudes" or "I do more dudes than chicks"

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:49 14/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Except that women are naturally in a subservient role to men. Try again. If anything, a woman being subjected by a strong male makes her more straight, even a lesbian."
    And people blame all feminists of being feminazis, and and also wonder why some women hate men.

    I'm a man, and reading that made me feel like men should be exterminated. Seriously, just kill yourself. You unforgivably sick fuck.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:15 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    "More straight"? I didn't know there was a gradient system. Always thought it's either "I do dudes", "I do chicks" or "I do both".

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:38 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fascism isn't necessarily racialist (see Brazilian Integralist movement) or even discriminatory. Rather it is a doctrine valueing the rule of competence over the rule of equality.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:40 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    it is of course quite common for it to devolve into superiority complexes, but there are numerous successful examples like modern-day Singapore, Novo Estada, etc. and existing democracies in the modern day do integrate fascist elements, the 'vision' of a community defined by a strong, cohesive group (typically the nation).

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:40 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    strongly cohesive (not necessarily strong)

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:06 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ok now THAT is something I NEVER expected to see in Sankaku, someone not just give an example from Brazil but an obscure one at that! Man, I assume you is a brazilian like me, I know of this movement from history books but I dont think I would ever uses it in an argument, you sir deserves a prize, congratz! And I am not using sarcasm!

    Comment by Anonymous

    "the rule of competence over the rule of equality"

    If this isn't discriminatory against incompetence, then what is it?

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:13 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Competence is related to personal skills. Incompetent people can acquire the necessary skills and become competent. Furthermore, incompetence is an objective factor to judge by because it has a very significant effect on the final result, where physical traits such as race or gender are insignificant next to actual skill and aptitude.
    Discrimination is to prefer a less skilled person because he is (insert preferred stereotype). Preferring someone who will do a better job is pure efficiency. If getting things done better than the competition makes me a biggot then I'd rather remain such than cuddle people who put no effort into improving themselves.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:04 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    You think it's bad to discriminate the incompetent? Seriously?

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:43 12/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Incompetent people can acquire the necessary skills and become competent"

    Well, not always. Look up the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

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    Comment by Vincent Giannell
    03:51 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    Yeah right. Like that will ever happen.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:21 10/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.7)

    It doesn't take much.

    Germany was on it's way of forming a stable democracy before WW2, however the centuries-old prejudices and nationalistic propaganda turned it into a death trap for minorities.
    Japan is full of unchallenged prejudice and hatred. Nationalistic tendencies are growing as we speak. The right wingers systematically rob the populace of fundamental rights and burden them with ludicrous, archaic regulations and bans.

    To be honest, we can see such developments in almost every other country on the globe. It really took off when the "war on terror" was used as an excuse to rule the masses with fear tactics. The crashes on the stock markets further intensified this dangerous situation of government versus populace.

    It really doesn't take that much to tip the balances of a country. You think that cruelty against other humans would be impossible in Japan? It's already happening as we post. Talk to people from Fukushima region about their current life. Representatives of the Japanese government openly challenged their rights as human beings. In front of a camera. For everyone to see. That's where we are heading.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:24 10/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Well said,

    Looking at the US from the outside you can already see this happening.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:02 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    lol I've said this almost every time I saw one of those posts here.
    Nice to finally see someone else noticing the stronger growing fascism.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:27 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    In related news, welcome to America

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:09 12/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    @Anon 11:15

    The Weimar Republic was not doomed to fail because the Republic was weak but instead because the politicians were weak and sadly incompetent to maintain the democratic process. Hitler forced himself to power while his political opponents COULD have saved the Republic. The main argument still remains that even a country that was on its way to a democracy or even a full-fledged democracy stands and falls with its peoples willingness to succumb to injustice and prejudice.

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    Comment by Uncommon0taku
    04:29 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    hmmmmm - oh mah gahhhh!!

    Comment by Anonymous

    "Germany was on it's way of forming a stable democracy before WW2"

    The lack of Historical understanding is simply astounding with this one.

    Unless of course you consider street violence and de-facto civil war between the communist Sparticus league and the Freikorps to be leading to a stable democracy.

    Democracy in anycase is a pointless and failed experiment.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:43 10/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    I think I see where this is going.

    1. Boy sees girl being aggressive in manga and taking the lead.
    2. Boy assumes a girl will take the lead with him, so he takes no initiative.
    3. Boy doesn't get a girlfriend.
    4. Boy's confidence falls.
    5. Boy devotes himself to his studies and becomes socially awkward.
    6. Boy invents mind-altering "sexual desirinator" raygun to make a girl fall for him.
    7. Prototype raygun misfires and explodes.
    8. Boy becomes gay from the ray's explosion.
    9. ???
    10. Godzilla is summoned by Japanese gay pride parade.

    An all too common occurrance, I'm afraid.

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    Comment by Assassinister
    09:56 10/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    How about instead of Ultraman its now ULTRAGAY.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:17 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Yep, you nailed that down.

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    Comment by Kiljoy616
    05:11 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    YOU MADE MY DAY!

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    Comment by pedrobear
    20:09 09/01/2012 # ! Quality (+0.9)

    just... wow
    this is so beyond ridiculous i don't even know where to start or if i should even bother.

    just how do you get from
    >women taking the lead
    to
    >suddenly get sexually interested in men
    ?

    that's... just not how anything works

    and just how- ah fuck it

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:50 09/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Actually, that's not what they are saying. The hypothesis is that exposing men to a culture where women dominate could turn some men gay.

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    Comment by The REAL Lamberto
    21:44 09/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    As much as I despise anything that is yaoi and fujoshi, I can't believe how stupid these Japanese politicians can actually get.

    If they're gonna be retarded enough to ban some "women taking the lead" anime/manga/novel that aren't even BL or targeted for women like K-ON!, Please Kill Me Baby, Ika Musume, and Zero no Tsukaima, I'll go to Japan and start a riot. These people need to stop kissing iShitHara's ass.

    When I saw "Miyazaki" on the commission's name, I hope Hayao Miyazaki will not agree with them. I'll be disgusted if he does, considering that he likes his leading girls who have positive traits in his works.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:51 09/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Inteligent politicans are endangered species so what do you expect?

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:42 09/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Endangered? Ha! Try extinct.

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    Comment by Dollseyes
    00:02 10/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Intelligent politicians are like fairies and unicorns, they don't exist and never have ...

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:34 11/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    i think they went extinct around 40 years ago...

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:26 10/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Hayao Miyazaki is a self proclaimed feminist, but all he really seeks is equality between the sexes. He's not a supporter of radical feminism.

    Keep in mind his age and the fact that he's seen how the media treats women in Japan. Also consider that although the female leads in his anime are strong and take the lead, they are also still feminine, and the male protagonists are still respectable and strong.

    I think he's got the right idea and the rest of Japan needs to catch up. This includes the women who aren't seeking equality, but dominance.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:17 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.3)

    miyazaki had some stupid speeches about youngster whose minds are warped by the internets and video games, some months ago. Don't get your hopes too high

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    Comment by yaku
    07:42 10/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    But his stories usually have strong female protagonists and you don't see any of them turning men gay or them being lesbians just because they take the lead; his speeches about youngsters always involve his disappointment on how they're apathetic about their surroundings and don't take the initiative. Yeah he can get a little crazy but I don't see him going as far as saying this or that will turn people gay.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:15 09/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    There is no love lost on my side for you pedrobear but that is the best thing I have ever seen you utter.

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    Comment by Octopi
    03:30 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    that is their excuse for being gay. they are not *courageous enough to be gay.

    *Taken from dialogue in nisemonogatari

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    Comment by Ihmhi
    04:18 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I'm straight as an arrow - nary a gay desire in my body - and yet I really enjoy it when a woman takes the lead.

    Besides it being sexy, I'm genuinely worried about them getting hurt. I'm 6'5" and I am nowhere nears thin. I typically outweigh a woman by double. She takes the lead, I can't accidentally hurt her.

    And yes, it has (unfortunately) happened. (Mainly a flexibility issue - relations with someone who is over a foot shorter than you require some modicum of flexibility on the woman's part for certain positions that she may not have.)

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:28 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    That's not gay or weak at all. Your reasons for it are from a desire for their safety, which is a masculine trait.

    I think Japan's problem is that their expectations about what is "masculine" are extremely outdated. They are all about visible actions (however phony) instead of goals or internal strength.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:20 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    How is the desire for another's safety a masculine trait? Don't mother's of a species typically have the strongest desire to protect their young and loved ones? If anything, I'd say it's not even a sexual trait at all - both sexes (should probably) desire those they care about to be safe and unharmed.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:54 09/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    i guess japan still thinks being gay is a choice

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:10 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukio_Mishima

    Yukio Mishima says, "Being gay is a FABULOUS choice that will help you overthrow the government!"

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:43 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Mishima was gay...? Well, that explains some of the things I've read from him over the years.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:38 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    The southern states believe the same thing. Whats you're point?

    Comment by Anonymous

    to be fair, bisexuality is.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:25 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Nnnnno it's not. The choice to indulge in it is, but bisexuality is just like any other sexual orientation. You either are or you aren't. If you're in the closet about it and decide just to be straight or just to be gay, that's more of a choice than being bisexual.

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    Comment by Kiljoy616
    05:02 10/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    >That "being in the closet" garbage is crap and has been scientifically >refuted plenty of times.

    Please site source, because I missed that class in Psych school. On the shit people say online or do you even know what being in the closet means or how its used.

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    Comment by PirateKing

    That "being in the closet" garbage is crap and has been scientifically refuted plenty of times.









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