Tokyo Manga Ban Signed Into Law

Better think again, Anonymous. The Yakuza are known to be even more willing than the Mafia to take you on 3 to 1 and use automatic weapons to even the odds.

sorry, but yakuza are pussies. they need to outnumber you 10 to 1 before they even want to fight you.

Fuck up, faggot. I live in the home city of the yaks and they're a bunch of bitches. So much shit goes on here between Americans and yaks that doesn't reach the news, and they're a bunch of pussies who only bully pussy Japanese faggots.

"they'll lay traps then go into politician's computers and dig up evidence of cp and whatnot"

Even if they find some, those same politicians took good care that possessing real CP remains legal, so...

Houselife, you are an idiot. The fact is that the Otaku are becoming 'lumps on a log' because they do not like the real world and the path that it is going down.

Not to MENTION that if they came out into the real world, the pedosexual otaku would be harassed by various people and//or KILLED solely because they looked wrong at a real life child!

It's time to realize that these people are staying where they are able to live their lives in relative peace.

There needs to be an otaku Martin Luther King.

Oh yeah, we have to rely on 2ch now, the peoople we kinda DIDN'T like.

Well I kind of understand HL's point of view but I don't see the outcome you see. Otakus are essentially outcasts, and looked down upon. I worry about one feeling cornered enough to harm people or themselves.

English is my first language. You just don't understand at all what I am talking about, or what you're talking about for that matter. I'm speaking from objective psychology and history. You just proved one of my points as well. Galileo was burned for his good contribution, which was the definition of the 'vice versa' I mentioned in the sense that the bad happened, he was burned. Good came from his paintings and ideas, which also birthed bad, which also birthed good in the future from his burning as a martyr for science. I was speaking of the sine wave of balance that ALWAYS follows the same pattern. No matter how bad, the future brings good, no matter how good, the bad will come. Those who do not understand that are the ones who are doomed to repeat that cycle, ie - people like you.

Also, the Klan and bullies are both representations in the mind of those who deal with them, and the people they represent. Bullies are more personal, the Klan is more national. Symbols both. You don't think the presence of something so blatantly obvious and over-exaggerated as the Klan wasn't instrumental in the presence of Martin Luther King and the subsequent acceptance of African Americans? And if you're going to hop on their current cultural representation of gangs and inner cities, that is the subsequent bad. Before they had to be better than us, in every way, to be perceived as accepted. The after-effects of that are worth looking into, because to say what causes it will get me called racist for saying things like 'some black communities became self-righteous and "lazy" after they lost their most powerful leaders.' Everyone will look at that and say "You racist bastard" and they will be thoughtless idiots who have no understanding of objectivity in history.

The sine wave of positive and negative effects requires a wide perspective to see in context.

There will be those who do such. And I stick to Darwinian logic in that facet unfortunately. The weak-minded will fall, it's the way of things. Compassion will be there for those who need it and those who seek it, but some will leave the planet because they have chosen to. Not every death is a tragedy, and not every life is worthy. We are taught to believe otherwise, and I personally believe with enough time, every single human can be shown light and love. But the reality is sometimes the difference in that time is the difference between 100 other innocent lives being lost to save that one.

The generals of history were the generals and leaders because they were the ones who recognized that they couldn't mourn every casualty if they wanted to prevent more.

Houselife, I don't think you understand a word you're saying. In fact I hope English isn't your first language.

"No matter what you may think you know, the only time it would happen is if someone wants power over another person"
Do you realize the point of being a politician? We even have terms like "class struggle" for a reason.

"My entire purpose was nothing ever comes with all negative, nothing. Any single historical occurrence you can come up with, on a long enough time line, will also have positive effects. And vice versa."
That's a whole lot of meaningless nothing. "Everything is good and bad?" Believe it or not, a lot of things can be mostly bad. Which is why we're not celebrating the church's contributions to progress by burning Galileo.

"And ironically the examples you chose of bullies and the Klan actually do work in historical context."
Yeah... both making sure their targets have less resources, opportunities, and support, with a higher chance of turning to crime or suicide. Really helps them accomplish things rather than generally setting social progress back. Oh, but the Klan and Biff from Back to the Future were hilarious sometimes. Either that counterbalances everything, or you never touched a history book.

I don't know what after school special you live in, where there is no class struggle and all problems are there just to build character, but I'm with the other Anonymous. Houselife, you are an idiot. Any thought or joke you have, even on a long enough time line, will not have a positive effect.

I'm not an idiot. These people do everything they do because of fear, and because of that fear they lack the perception to see possibility. When one is truly stupid, they are completely unable to see beyond themselves and unable to form coherent possibilities in the face of adversity, even such simple possibilities as asking for help. Not liking the real world is the epitome of being spoiled and pathetic, because if you don't like the real world, you do something to change it. The issue is they don't have the perspective to SEE how to change it, and that's because they lack the experience, and that's because they've given up.

These people have stagnated, and that is one of the worst things a human can do, because stagnation means that they essentially go into mental do-loops unless they know how to get themselves out of it.

And by the way, blaming 'the world' is a generality, and many childish people do it. The world isn't the problem, it's YOUR world, your perception of it, that is the problem. Notice how whenever anything goes wrong in your world, you're the common factor in it? That means that when it goes right, you're also the common factor. And yes, it really is that simple.

Like how bullies try to help social outcasts stand up for themselves, and the Klan makes minorities rise to greater heights to disprove stereotypes? Of course not. Society wants people with an unpopular image to stay down, be stepped on, and know there place. Having nothing to turn to got them there in the first place and the whole point is to preserve that power balance. The people on top need someone to exploit or at least scapegoat.

Deviants and minorities, whether harmless or even imaginary, are icky. Right or wrong doesn't matter; society will crusade against cooties until the end of time. They make sure they stay outcasts. Making sure they "stagnate" is just part of the goal. All otaku are child-molesting psycho murderers and homos are godless, mutant, man-rapists out to destroy our daily values. What kind of monster would you be to even consider their side?

"the only time it would happen is if someone wants power over another person"

One will always want power over another, so...

And yes, brain-dead otaku are of course unwanted by political figured running Japan. HL hinted about multiple possible outcomes which was the correct thing to do.
They're basically given three choices (simplified so the point is understood):
1. Accept that we're fucking you up and die while crying, if you're that useless we don't NEED you, because not commencing this ban would also just result in you dying alone while not helping the country's scientific/etc development.

2. Change your ways. If your house gets broken down, you can move out; here your hobbies are getting broken down, so just move on to a new one, you have your entire life ahead of you, and we want YOU to help your country (aka this would be a sort of patriotic direction)

3. Do something to show that you're alive, protest. If you guys actually care about your hobby and are not psychologically dead, you CAN organize yourselves and stand up against us. We don't believe that you can do this, though, which is why we'll continue raping your life.

Cute choices eh, it's otaku's turn to play their move. They've been ignoring politics too passively, hence the blitz attack destabilizing their home's peace.

Japanese people is like that, not only the otaku. How many japanese multitudinary street manifestation you know about?

You've got it, hence why I said there's such a presence of irony. Being angry is a great way to cause action to occur, but they're the type of people who bottle up their anger unless they believe in something. And with this assault, they are struck with the chance to actually do something about it. What I was saying above, was it would be interesting if that were Ishihara's purpose all along. A sort of Ledouche if you will :)

First of all you don't understand at all what I said. If you did, you would realize you're using 'stagnate' in a way that doesn't really even make sense with the context I was using. Stagnation means they stop growing, stop moving forward, stop learning, losing all purpose in their lives. Nobody ever wants that to happen. Nobody. No matter what you may think you know, the only time it would happen is if someone wants power over another person, and then it can be traced back to jealousy and fear anyway. Such intentions are never pure intentions, but based on their own mind tricking them.

And you're also incorrect that society wants the unwanted to 'stay down' it's more than they want them 'not in their back yard.' And ironically the examples you chose of bullies and the Klan actually do work in historical context. My entire purpose was nothing ever comes with all negative, nothing. Any single historical occurrence you can come up with, on a long enough time line, will also have positive effects. And vice versa.

My point was objectivity, since I already called for this man's death above. But I'm also not shallow or stupid enough to ignore alternative perspectives. I am, however, stupid enough to think they would be understood on an internet comment forum :D

They should do a demonstration,Coup d' etat,etc.
I don't care what they do as long they kick'n those politician asses off their desk !

Actually the sheer potential of irony hadn't passed me by initially either: there's a chance this is a challenge by Ishihara to cause Otaku to rise up and be more than they are. Really the perceivable point of all this is to enhance the economy, and keep Otaku from becoming lumps on a log. If there's a single thing that I agree with their government on, it's the goal of getting the younger generation out and socializing and contributing as much as they can, and not succumbing to their own imaginations, but using them as a tool of empowerment.

If that did happen, I'd honestly have to smile. But only if said uprising triggered a rescinding of this stupid law.

yea, pretty much
at this point im not angry at ishihara and gang anymore, cos blaming idiots for being idiots is idiotic
the problem is that nobody, including all the affected parties, did anything
publishers boycott the tokyo anime fair? how toothless is that?
i can only sympathise with ishiharas reaction here "oh, you are not coming? that all? fuck you"
apparently publishers are only capable of bullying mangaka, but when they have to actually stand up and fight they pout
useless

Right in one, Anonymous. That is the first step of civil disobedience. The fact is that there is supposedly 'laws' against lolicon stuff in the United States.

Why are they not enforced? Because they are on PERILOUS ground if someone wanted to challenge them in a court of law, being totally against the First Amendment.

That is why they wait until someone has actual REAL LIFE child pornography to file charges against someone.

honestly, I'm kinda hoping that manga companies move to a different city, and Tokyo just economically dies (or fills with actual crime? Just saying) until Ishihara goes down as one of the worst politicians in existence and his frivolous and illogical law gets removed. Still find it funny that we have a modern "Comic scare" on our hands, tho.

I hope you're right...

you are aware that "i'm just going to ignore the law" isn't really a defense against a law right?

ishihara and his cronies will be happy to continue to fine you, and eventually if publishers continue to evade their fines, they'll probably move on to heavier penalties such as incarceration of the publisher heads for failure to the fines.

the law has an effect as long as the government has the ability to enforce it.

covering your ears and eyes, and shouting "lalala" doesn't negate law.

@Anonymous 4:43

I know what you mean, I'm saying there will be people that decide not to follow it. It all depends on how harsh the punishment is when you don't obey it. Certain laws are more strict than other ones.

We download everyday and it's against the law. It's not like we get hundreds of fines. We just have to wait and see what really happens. Who knows?

It's works in Russia