Tokyo Loli Ban Will Include Evangelion

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The authors of the Tokyo loli ban have been busily trying to quell a storm of criticism by “clarifying” their proposal in a way which still allows them to get as much of it through as possible, and in the process appear to have slipped up and claimed that Evangelion’s raunchier scenes would not be banned, despite having just explained in the same document that similar scenes would be banned as harmful to minors in all but “adult” publications.

In response to the backlash against their stalled assault on freedom of expression, the ban’s proponents at Tokyo’s Office for Youth Affairs and Safety have begun backtracking in an effort to make the law appear less threatening, although it is already apparent from their published statements that they are either lying or have no idea what they are talking about.

They attempt to assuage the fears of anime and manga fans by explaining what will not be banned:

“Will scenes with ‘fictional youths’ being naked, bathing or otherwise be included in the ban?’

[...]

“Some examples of what will not be included:

Doraemon – Shizuka getting into the bath.

[…]

Evangelion – Nude scenes with Rei or Asuka.”

However, the contradict themselves earlier in the same document:

“What do you mean by ‘sexual activity’ and ‘activity resembling sexual activity’?”

“Sexual activity means sex.

Activity resembling sexual activity means things close to sex, such as ‘fellatio,’ ‘masturbation,’ ‘anal sex,’ etc.

Ordinary nudity or kissing is not considered sexual activity. Activity resembling sex, like two naked people lying on top of one another is not considered sex.”

Evangelion in fact includes scenes of masturbation and similar, meaning it would likely fall squarely within the remit of the ban – Tokyo would thus legally require Evangelion DVDs and manga to be sat in the adult section along with “hardcore” pornography, likely a death knell for sales and sure to have a chilling effect on any future titles intended to reach a wider audience.

Were it not to be included of course (they use weasel worded criteria which include phrases like “artistic” and “gratuitous”), it would be clear evidence the criteria for what actually constitutes “harmful” material being applied arbitrarily in favour of popular titles and against any titles considered softer targets, such as late night anime.

Their latest proposal is also now said to specifically condemn scenes of “violence against women” or incest, in addition to its previously enumerated restrictions on anything resembling an underage character, although they are now claiming that “merely resembling an underage character is not enough” – odd that their first draft appeared to say exactly that.

They also specifically deny that the ban would affect the rest of Japan, despite the obvious fact that requiring special labelling and content classification in Japan’s single largest regional market seems unlikely to result in “Tokyo-only” editions, but instead in the censorship of all publications to comply with the demands of selling in Tokyo.

Ban proponents also freely display their prejudice against manga, anime and games by exempting novels from the provisions completely with some trite sophistry:

“A variety of expressions are used in novels, and readers may interpret these differently based on their age, sex, experience and reading ability, so there are all manner of different interpretations, whereas pictures on the other hand yield uniform and objective interpretations.”

The rest of their lengthy and unconvincing rebuttals to frequently asked questions is visible in an official publication.


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    Comment by Anonymous
    15:22 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Let's see them try, and survive the wrath of the otaku

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    Comment by TakedaDoujin
    14:56 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    :/ Then CG will be banned as well yes? Nina's masturbation, though silent and barely visible, will surely make them do the same to it.

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    Comment by ImBZppl
    17:22 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    it just wont be the same anymore... might as well call it evangeloligone...
    do not want!

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    Comment by Azure Xuchilbara
    14:46 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    *praying for the Overfiend to show itself and destroy the headquarters of the moralfags in Tokyo*

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:18 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    They would have to censor out all of the robot fights in eva also where the girls are fighting since its violence against women.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:31 28/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Out of curiosity, would this mean stuff like Giri Giri sisters and Love Selection get banned? Because I suppose you could argue that they don't look quite 18.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:46 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    To anyone living in Japan. How serious a threat is this bill?

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:42 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    it says that shows that have masturbation would be labeled has "Hardcore" imagine you go to buy a X rated DvD just to see its a anime with one masturbation/sex seen in the whole dvd, the thought of that just made me lol a little to myself

    Comment by Hibakusha
    10:06 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is madness!

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    Comment by Tallgeese_VI
    09:10 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The fuck ? What a bunch of lying bitches.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:20 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    They'll never live this down. Piss off the otakus and they will be met with extreme force.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:58 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This means war.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:44 28/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh, THAT scene.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:48 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    shoot them and remember Rule #4 Doubletap!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:01 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Directors of Eva should just animate the Retake doujin with tons of hardcore Shinji x Asuka sex to piss off the sanctimonious pricks

    And please everyone else in the world

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:28 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nothing wrong with what Shinji did. I would have done the same... >_>

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:42 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I guess Code Geass will be banned too then... I mean, Nina did do that right?

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    Comment by TakedaDoujin
    14:58 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    There's also the scene on that one island with Kallen, the American version censored it, but that will cause noise too.

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    Comment by diskonline
    14:12 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Shoot, shinji, shoot!

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    Comment by eviljill
    13:32 29/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    motherfuckers when did evangelion turned into a loli.
    god damn it this people are already starting to get into my nerves.

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    Comment by theandysan
    04:39 29/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    ...Oooooooooooookay?

    So we'll finally get rid of those damn lolies, right?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:46 29/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah right banning loli, but not Shota's.
    Fucking shotacon Japanese women! bah!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:24 30/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    hmm... all this news of a ban on child pornography, especially IMAGINARY CHARACTERS disturbs me, as it goes way too far, and is a complete reversal of everything before it; up till now, sexuality as an art form has been expressed freely (just look at onii-chan control, yomeiro choice (pushing the limits there), Eiken, etc, or Hentai like Discipline and Cleavage.

    This ban, as it is now, and as the UNICEF want it to be will likely eviscerate the entire anime, manga and hentai industry, and sound the death knell for them. think about it:
    in mahou sensei negima, there are multiple instances of implied sexuality, including one where evangeline (in her adult form) teases negi. If such scenes were the base critera this law, and it gets passed, then mahou sensei negima, along with toraburu, most evangelion manga, rosario to vampire, naruto, bleach.... most (if not all) of the good series not aimed at children would simply disappear from the shelves, and possession of them would be illegal... hentai would be limited to 18 and over characters in college or MILF situations...it'd be like watching regular live porn: shitty stories with no innovation! much of the good anime out there would disappear as well.

    Point: there needs to be a dividing line: clearly, teenagers and children age 14 and under have little understanding of sexuality, and are thus vulnerable, excellent candidates for a PROPER law regarding such material. once you hit age 15, right around highschool, teenagers are already sexually curious and usually have enough maturity to understand the act and its consequences, thus that should be the age limit.

    the last problem is criminalization: we humans have a nasty tendency to criminalize anything we don't understand, or consider deviant (ie, manga, anime, hentai with children below the age of 18 within sexual situations). Rather than jail the offenders who are looking at manga, anime and hentai depicting characters over the age of 15 looking at true child pornography, there needs to be a real effort to understand and treat those who look at actual child pornography (where children 15 and under are depicted in scenes of sex, most often rape). There is no good done by simply jailing and criminalizing both offender and material. This only creates a sub-culture that supplies the material. This law is a fossil from an older time, when we were taught that sex not for reproduction was a sin of the highest order. It's time to stop being afraid of the most basic of human desires, and celebrate it rather than condemn it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:41 01/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    this is kinda shitty... 1st if they ban something, is it fulfilling a purpose? like kids getting raeped is what they essentially are trying to stop but if they look at what the problem is... i don't think they could do all that needs to be done to even reduce it... a rapist is a rapist; him being a lolicon or not makes no difference... only the target change... so banning cheild pron is right, it is wrong for it to have been done... but some 2D material which has been drawn saves no one... when i was 12 and looking for misty nude from pokemon, should they have banned pokemon cause they had a character that could trigger loli tendencies? if no show at all contained absolutely no minors, even there it would be impossible to stop some people to be loliable... it's like being gay, your born like that and can't fight your self hard enough to magically change...if i could decide how my humanity reacts, god would look unkept next to me... unfortunately my dick can get hard with woman as long as they are not ugly/fat/over 40... and even then i might still get a boner against my will... but thats me raeping me, and do not wish to raep others... the real issue is those weaklings who further lose the battle and can't withstand there own boner and ends up raeping... killing an other soul and creating an abandoned piece of meat that resents humanity...

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:18 29/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    *walks into a porn shop and rummmages around"

    Bob: Hmm Evangelion, huh? To be in the hardcore section means it must be hella hot."

    *goes home pops in it*

    --reaches Shinji masturbation--

    Bob: Finally something to fap but waiiiittt... iiits a dude beatin off.... *pukes*

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:53 29/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Poor little boys.
    Gradually, Japan is going to adopt exactly the same laws as United States and Europe.

    And instead of criticizing your own "censorhip-friendly" countries, you make a fuss every day with Japan's politics.

    Is this what they called wapanese ?
    Maybe simply cowardice or simple-minded cocksucking.

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    Comment by QuirkZ
    02:10 29/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is truely sad mot only are they shooting themselves in the foot when anime and manga sales are down but they also intend to inhibit new concepts and ideas from surfacing! Imagine this you get a great new idea for a show or a game but you can't pull it off right because it's too sexualto have a loli weilding a light saber with her crotch lol bad example but you know where I'm going with this it's bad publicity for the industry and could hurt sales

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    Comment by QuirkZ
    02:12 29/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    But at the same time, if it stops the mindnumbingly plotless shows that only have ecchi as a strong point well that serves them right... they need to extend on more themes and actually have content to display and expand their story or universe to be satisfiying to watch imo

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:01 20/05/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Everyone say it with me, "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK."

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    Comment by maquiavelo
    04:03 08/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    So, this crazy persons, really mind, i suppose they ban evangelion, beacuse don´t like things simples like anime or manga and now yhink replace this really good things with the sucker porn.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:00 04/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually do we even know if that is a masturbation scene? That white goop on his hands is of the same consistency and color as the stuff they put on you in RL with them probes. I had an EKG done before what a mess getting all that cold whitish gel out of my hair. The same type of probes Asuka has on her chest there and he just happened to rip several of them off. I think they left it vague on purpose so that it could go either way so it could get past the ban since not specific in what it was. He might have been trying to put them back on before being found out. who knows.

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:51 03/09/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Total bullshit. Sankaku complex is completely useless from a news point of view. 10 percent fact 20 percent wild speculation stated as fact, and 70 percent hyperbole.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:38 19/12/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Finally. Fucked up otaku's have to abide to women's right laws/child laws like everyone else now.

    Praise Ishihara on his stand against under-age sexual violence. Japan has gotten away with this for too long and now lolicons/pedo's are finally getting a lock-down on their sick fantasies.

    Half of you queers wouldn't have the guts to show your "manga" or "anime" to normal people around you. You westerns know good and well what the hell lolicon is which is nothing more than pedo fantasies. Now all has to be done is furries and tentacles and it is good as gold.
    That shit won't fly over at the west and now Japan is taking a turn for a good. Half of manga/anime will be lost because its nothing more than fictional minors engaged in under-age play. Whether it is fictional or not its fucking gross. Finally hentai where women act and look like women instead of kids.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:42 19/12/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's going to fuck up lots of hentai/ecchi titles because half of that shit involves under-age play to began with. Complain otaku's but you can't do shit about it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:18 28/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ban will be passed, and quickly overturned in Japan's courts based on Free Speech issues, like the last time they tried this.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:38 28/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    In a few years of time...

    A shady man walks into a xxx-store. He asks the clerk for the nastiest stuff they've got. The clerk brings out some nigga raping a dead dog. They man only laughs and asks if they can't do better. The clerk goes to the backroom, open a safe and the safe inside it and brings something back. He shows it to the man. The man collapses.

    ''Neon Genesis Evangelion''

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:20 28/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Two months ago I came into possession (by means too sordid and improbable to describe here) of complete runs of the 2008-2010 tankobon from two fairly mainstream ero-manga publishers, Core Magazine and Tatsumi. I've gone though about 150 volumes and I would say that about 90% of the manga include either incest ("Oniiiiiichan!") or rape, or both. (But mostly "Oniiiichan!") Not to mention the loli. Less than I thought, though.
    They might be able to cut the rape and the lolis, but an imouto ban would kill them.
    I might also add I am agog at the sheer volume of porn just those two publishers alone crank out. I must have at least 50 volumes left. I wonder how much comes out per year, if all the smut-mongering publishers in Japan were added up? The mind boggles.
    And just as important, do they go into the Burnables, Non-burnables, magazines, or newspaper bins behind my mansion block? Because they take up a lot of room. Anyone in Chuo-ku want to pick them up?

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    Comment by Akira_sama
    05:08 28/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Asuka and rei are lolis.. idiots, they have fourteen yrs old... anyway, even if they banned the scenes, the people who have the version on dvd have no worries,

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:09 28/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The final word on this, is just that censorship in general is one of the more 'fail' concepts that humans came up with. To censor something, you effectivly are saying that you know better what is right or wrong for everyone that censorship will affect. Of course, to know such a thing is impossible for a human. When something like this is passed, we reach a state called 'The tyranny of the Majority', in that if you arent part of the sheep, you get screwed over.

    On another note, i would like someone to point out any example in that the banning of something led to a 'good' outcome for the rest of humanity. Cause i can think up quite a few examples in which the reverse of what was intended has happened: America before the depression banning alcohol had the amount of alcohol being sold through black market means soar to many times the amount being sold before the ban; many bans are in place around the world banning the use of drugs, when in 'the olden days' such things were in common use among the wealthier populace (snuff boxes and the like). Nowadays, it can be and is used by people of all socioeconomic backgrounds.

    When things like this threaten to occur, i recall the words of a certain philosopher, the liberal utillitarian and resident biggot, who's words have stayed with me for some time. To correct a problem, one does not push it under the carpet and hope it goes away. A problem is faced. head on.

    And on a final (and rather unrelated) note in this rather long rant i felt i needed to share with you, it is important to note that the world is not split into things that are false, and things that are true. there are false things which may contain some element of truth, or apparent truths, that may contain elements of things that are false. Knowing this, it is dangerous for our progress as human beings to jettison what it viewed as false, as you may lose some truth in the progress

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:13 28/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I seem to have forgotten to mention, the said 'certain philosopher, the liberal utillitarian and resident biggot' is none other than John Stuart Mill. An interesting guy, should look him up... just dont mention 'Higher' or 'Lower' pleasures...

    Damn victorians

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    Comment by N.R.
    05:52 28/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Thank you Artefact for reminding me how I hate Shinji. NGE suffers because it has no manly man.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:32 28/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If only it were nearing election time again for those hypocritical, weak little bastards.

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    Comment by Ukonkivi
    20:07 28/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wait, in books, it's plainly stated what's going on. For instance, in the book Lolita, there's no beating around the fact

    Pictures, on the other hand, are ambiguous. You see a picture of a female character, and it may "look young", but you can do nothing but figure it out, make your own backstory for the character, or just judge a book by it's cover. A person can look at the "young looking" girl, and say she seems like an adult and give her an adult characterization. While in a book, there is only personality one can know about while the reader much shape what they look like instead of what they act like.

    So if anything has a limit of interpretation of age, it's written, text only novels. The lack of logic in such a claim that text only fictional characters are age ambiguous, while pictures of fictional characters are concrete and certain, is nothing short of astounding.

    Isn't this basically on the verge of saying that looks are important again?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:11 28/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fucking loli bans, how do they work!?

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:24 28/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    They don't in most countries that adhere to 'Free Speech' and other things. Hell, the ban in Britain was just overturned in one area by a judge based on that.

    Comment by Char
    12:34 28/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I never considered Evangelion loli and damn it I like it just the way it is.

    I'm sick of these f--tards pretending teenagers under 18 are not sexual.

    I like to do something to these moral fags involving some rope,a burlap sack, and a space shuttle ready to launch.

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    Comment by Anonymous
    01:47 28/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    What's on his hand.

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    Comment by EleutheroZeroONE
    08:41 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Unlike U.S. State Governors, Japanese Prefectural Governors do not have much power on their own.

    What do during their tenure, suchas opening an airprot or a theme park or passing a law, has to be reviewed by the Diet an th Prime Minister!

    If said Governor were to make a bad decision that affected his/her Prefecture, it would be a black mark for him/her!

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:00 27/04/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You know what really makes me ma? I can't even blame Loopy for all of this because he doesn't have much to do with this.








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