Final Fantasy XIII-2 Announced



Square Enix has announced Final Fantasy XIII-2 as being due for the PS3 and Xbox 360 in 2011.

The director has been announced as Motomu Toriyama – the same man who said towns were too much work for Final Fantasy XIII to bother with, and the driving force behind that game’s notorious “story-centric” linearity.

However, in his previous comments he did promise “those elements” would be present in the next game in the series, so there may be hope for corridor sceptics yet.

Online the reaction has been derisive – few seem particularly enthused by the prospect of a sequel to the much maligned XIII.

Also announced were a bevy of insignificant handheld RPGs from the usual franchises and some (graphically) impressive footage of “PS3 exclusive” Final Fantasy Versus XIII:

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    Avatar of Asolite
    Comment by Asolite
    23:10 18/01/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    seems interesting, but is anyone else afraid of it taking a turn for the even worse than it already was? *coughx-2cough*

    inb4 less than 500 yen

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    Comment by Misakite
    00:46 19/01/2011 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    Well, that's probably how it'll turn out.

    Meanwhile, the gameplay for Versus XIII looks like a slightly more realistic Kingdom Hearts.

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    Comment by Megidola
    00:56 19/01/2011 # ! Good (+0.6)

    FFXIII was pretty boring to play, and the story resolved itself fully. There's no need for this sequel, and I can't imagine many people really want it.

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    Comment by HouseLife
    05:30 19/01/2011 # ! Good (+0.7)

    Excellent. I look forward to seeing what they can do with it. I personally liked the concepts of FFX-2, even if the delivery wasn't really appreciated by many. I still love the idea of seeing how a world recovers afters its cataclysmic events. Plus, we have a certain few characters that need some resolution.

    Anyway, everyone can be stupid if they want and say it'll be the same, or they can recognize that game designers aren't stupid and will pay attention to the fact that many people had issues with their expectations of FF and see what they can do to enhance that without sacrificing story or delivery. It's called growing, and Final Fantasy can still grow, and best of all, they know it.

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    Comment by TNinja
    01:35 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Looks looks like a pretty action game there.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:29 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Lightning looks good in that armor. I approve. I can't help it. D:

    I hope the 2 will have a better story than XIII.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:54 20/01/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)


    ok, we get it, you like FFXIII, you like SE, and you know to counter-argument, even if it doesn't have anything to do with the main point (kinda like i'm doing right now), but please, get a hint, go outside of your little box and see this whole situation from another perspective...

    is FFXIII a good game? Yes! is FFXIII a good RPG and FF game? HELL NO! i can barely call it an RPG, google for RPG definition and see for yourself if you can consider this a RPG, then go back and play all the others FF games and see for yourself how they work in terms of core mechanics... finally check how each and every one of them does every single RPG definition

    when you are done realize how little they've done represent the RPG definition and to give this game any depth, remember, games are supposed to be entertaining, if i wanted such guided gameplay i would watch a movie, and those have far better stories than ff13...

    did SE gave us ANY reason to believe FF13-2 is going to be any better? are you that innocent to believe in their words? it's bullshit after bullshit and you keep believing in them? do you remember the images from the chocobo farm in ff13 that never got in the game? go see their reason for cutting out that shit out of the game and tell me if you believe them now knowing that they are going for a sequel...

    FFXIII is exactly what they wanted it to be, a pretty easy game that caters to everyone with fingers on their hands and likes pretty renders on their screen...

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:15 20/01/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    so you are a game-designer as well? funny i am too, and i simply get amazed of all the things you say, in fact next time you go to wikipedia for the definition of RPG be sure to check if you are reading the table top definition or the video-games definition

    see the whole characteristics section, maybe it'll enlighten your game-design skills...

    i feel sorry for you...

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:02 21/01/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    you're funny, you know that?

    i know a guy just like you, he doesn't care if he's right or wrong, he only cares to make his arguments valid in order to make him LOOK right

    obviously we aren't having a discussion here, we are just playing with semantics, we are only picking up each other arguments and use them in our own convenience, it's a pretty neat skill though

    1st - if you really dislike wikipedia, why did you give in to the trouble of reading it, in fact why did you even went to find for a definition on another site and even explain it? which one is better? because i told you so? do you admit you don't have your own definition? if i shouldn't be using wikipedia as a game designer, why did you bother? convenient, isn't it? ;)

    2nd - i'm gonna do exactly what you do, picking up your own argument and use it against you, cool huh? here it is: you talk so much about people expectations as if it were a bad thing or something, don't they reflect what the target audience wants? when someone buys a RPG, a RTS, a FPS or whatever other genre don't they ALWAYS have some kind of expectations? yeah... of course they do, thats why he group things together and create categories from them, in this case, RPG is just one of those categories where you are supposed to find certain characteristics of video-games

    3rd - oh! aren't you smart! :] you just conveniently went to each text and replied accordingly to what was typed, assuming it was all true, and ignoring everything that wasn't there but both of us know every RPG has it, oh man! and i thought wikipedia was always wrong!! guess what, ff13 doesn't have exploration :O OMG! am i pretending? should i look for a definition of what exploration means and shove it up your ass? maybe then you will realize the difference between moving and exploring... oh look! you even ignored the word "choose" in wikipedias definition, oh man, now how do i'm going to explain you the importance of choosing how to level up, how to fight, how to experience any game basically... so much for the word interactivity... don't you just love having a predefined path for EVERYTHING in ff13? man even level up is funny, there's so many options to choose from, like .... ONE! ... now, how i'm going to defeat this monster?
    oh i know, i use libra and learn how to break him, then every single one of these are fought in this manner, i'm SOOOO smart, this is game is cool man, so.... challenging... and the story? man, just uau, never seen a distopia-save-the-world setting before in my LIFE, so.... original

    i have a new theory, you work for SE don't you? thats the only plausible explanation for your whoring out sessions you always do here whenever we talk about ff13

    Comment by WEL
    08:31 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Noctis looks cool but that one hand glove ala MJ looks ridiculous. And the gameplay looks like a combination of Kingdom Hearts with Dynasty Warrior and Monster Hunter, in other words, not to my liking.

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    Comment by Kitsunemimi6
    10:55 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Please don't let FFXIII-2 be an actual sequel, please...this is pretty much wishful thinking at this point, guess they don't plan to fix what essentially was FFXIII, guess I will play the sequel even though I haven't played the first game...

    FFXIII Versus is something I might look forward to & most likely won't look forward to, I just might not, or I just might...hmm...

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:07 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh boy here we go.

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    Comment by HouseLife
    17:15 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    @Lawdence Codye

    "Please don't let FFXIII-2 be an actual sequel..."

    "...even though I haven't played the first game."

    Stop. Now. I cannot stand this level of stupidity and ignorance. It's not even about FFXIII being a good game or a bad game anymore, it never really was. It was about so many idiots saying exactly that same thing. And yes, that does include the people who stopped after a few hours because they didn't find it appealing.

    If they did, that's fine, but they have absolutely no right to speak on anything except the words "I just hope they make it more engrossing earlier on this time so I will find myself more interested in continuing... but now that there's a sequel, I may want to understand what could could lead to one by giving it a second shot." Because that's the only thing they themselves have any experience with.

    Otherwise, they're just spouting other peoples' words and proving they're are nothing more than a sheep. Mindless, pointless, useless sheep who spouts the same negativity and stupidity that is going to be the legacy of our increasingly sedentary and stagnant generation. The saddest part is nobody but the people who actually finished it and saw how beautifully assembled it was, even including its flaws, can understand that it's not even that I'm wanting people to laud it as some incredible achievement. They just hear 'fanboy,' say as much in some form of jab, and prove exactly what I said at the beginning of this paragraph.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:40 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hopefully XIII-2 will be something like the gameplay of X-2 w/ a not so shitty story.

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    Comment by YakomoFujikawa
    04:33 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    All I ask is for Lightning's armor to be in Dissidia 012.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:12 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    again it looks good but its just going to be another disappointment. another fail in the making.

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    Comment by HouseLife
    04:05 21/01/2011 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    I used the dictionary definition from It still hasn't changed. And did you even read what you told me to read?

    "Generally, the player controls a small number of game characters, usually called a party, and achieves victory by completing a series of quests."


    "Players explore a game world, while solving puzzles and engaging in tactical combat."

    Check. Don't pretend because everyone loved the word 'linear' that you weren't exploring a game world.

    "A key feature of the genre is that characters grow in power and abilities, and characters are typically designed by the player."

    Check, give or take the western/MMO spin on the end.

    "These games usually have a highly developed story and setting, which is divided into a number of quests."

    Check. What, did you think it specified 'tons of side quests' in order to be an RPG? Chapters can also be referred to as quests by the way, and plus, there WERE side quests. As I've said countless times, it simply didn't meet many peoples' expectations.

    "Players control one or several characters by issuing commands, which is performed by the character at an effectiveness determined by that character's numeric attributes. These attributes increase each time a character gains a level, and a character's level goes up each time the player accumulates a certain amount of experience."

    Check yet again.

    I won't go over the rest, as it's all there. Obviously you didn't read it at all with any thought whatsoever. And the fact that a supposed game designer used wikipedia for an argument in explanation of game design already speaks wildly for your understanding of your craft.

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    Comment by HouseLife
    15:39 20/01/2011 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    Very well, I'll follow your advice.

    "RPG, role-playing game
    a game in which participants adopt the roles of imaginary characters in an adventure under the direction of a Game Master."

    This type of definition has never changed, except change Game Master to Director here. As I've said countless times, yet few people wish to actually think and/or listen about reality outside their perceptions: it was your EXPECTATIONS which ruined the game. There was absolutely nothing about FFXIII that was not a role-playing game in the standard definition that has existed from day one. Everyone's CONNOTATIVE definition changed, and that changes from person to person.

    What you have come to expect is the ability to explore and do erroneous things that has little to do with the actual plot, or really the actual gameplay of the game most of the time if you think about it. It is there to help you connect to the world and characters a little more, nothing else. What you seek is the illusion of expansiveness, something I also pointed out. In every case it's an illusion. Daggerfall is the only one to really push that illusion, but that was still an illusion.

    And the reason for believing FFXIII-2 will be better? Actually only a completely jaded person who thinks the world is out to get them would believe otherwise based on all the information about it. I'm also a game designer, I know the politics of it. I also know the way game designers feel about what they do (the good ones at least), especially in the big boy companies. SquareEnix being one of them. Actually they're already proving it by making a sequel as far as I'm concerned. If you think about it, their one success with it was some relatively memorable characters and a very well designed lore system (even if the way they told it sucked).

    Now with the resources already in place for a strong start, they can bolster their strengths, and adapt their weaknesses into strengths. Something I can tell you from personal experience is a daily, even hourly thing they go through for years at a time.

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    Comment by Kwonnie
    06:12 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    And Lightning gets manlier. Ah, well. I'll be getting it. Gotta be better than X-2. And FINALLY. Some gameplay for Versus! Honestly, I don't like the main character though... the whole thing looks like some visual kei-influenced mess. I can already see the voice actors lining up... Gackt, Gackt, Gackt, and Gackt. I don't mind it being an action RPG as long as it's not too close to Kingdom Hearts.

    (Not saying Gackt is vk. Don't kill me.)

    Comment by Anonymous

    All I ask is for Ligtning's armor to break apart as she takes damage.

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    Comment by HouseLife
    17:17 21/01/2011 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    Would you rather I had given no credence whatsoever to your argument in the slightest? I like how you attempted to make me an idiot for listening to you, it's actually pretty impressive. I could have left your wikipedia usage as useless, but I listened to your point and found the flaws in it, as you found a few in mine.

    It is a plausible explanation that someone for the company would defend it, or perhaps I'm so sick of hearing whiny gamers define games as either 'awesome' or 'shit' with no perception of the in between. Think carefully how often you've heard something like "It was actually pretty good, not the greatest, but I liked it" in someone's description of a game these days, especially on the internet. Granted it depends who you hang around with, but seriously consider it.

    All my arguments are with the intention of enhancing perspective of the increasingly black-and-white perception of gamers in general. It's the effect of having so many games that they start shelving them mentally, but if I'm able to give credit where credit is due, then I know everyone else is capable of it. I'm sick of the negativity, completely sick of it, as it really isn't necessary to also cause companies to listen to issues.

    FFXIII is merely the recent vessel of the argument. There are many that get this 'write off' mentality without even recognizing the strengths. Yes, it was a good game, without question. Was it a great game? Depends on your perspective. But to write off such an impressive creation is the mark of a spoiled brat, nothing more. If you're a game designer, you too can easily find the strengths in it.

    I'm known for being an FFXIII 'apologist' or whatever stupid term people may want to use because I'm not one to follow the negative and ignorant who seem to think they're actually saying anything worthwhile by wrapping up their stupidity into meaningless statements like 'but FFXIII is terrible/shit/whatever,' It just just simply isn't a bad RPG to anyone who actually knows what the word 'objective' means. Wonderful graphics, solid setting, and considering the archetypes used, rather good characters. I won't go over the flaws, because half of them aren't really flaws, and the other half have been gone over at length.

    I've never ignored the flaws, yet everyone who's so intent on being right that FFXIII was terrible with no possibility of reprieve never pay attention to the fact that I never called it perfect.

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    Comment by Lariat
    00:58 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    The music arrangements even sound similar!

    So we all know what's gonna sell out more, right? ^_^

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    Comment by Lariat
    01:37 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Oh, whoops. Replied to the wrong person...

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    Comment by PirosThe3rd
    09:15 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Final fantasy with improved kingdom hearts gameplay is a WIN.
    Square-enix should do it long time ago....
    At least they learn from mistakes now... (I hope so...)

    I hope versus will not end up like FFXIII.....

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:04 25/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    my comment was gonna be OH GOD SQUARE ENIX THANK YOU

    but my enthusiasm got put out by the comments..

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    Comment by TheBeast
    02:39 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    i can't watch trailers for final fantasy verses 13. i get too hyped up thinking it'll be a great game and that makes the waiting that much more agonizing. hopefully it will do what modern warfare did for the call of duty series.

    also ff13-2 will probably be a disappointment. i wont play it because i would have to play 13-1 to know what's happening. i sold 13-1 before finishing because it was so utterly bad and a chore to play... stuff of nightmares.

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:32 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Agreed, seems a lot like an upgraded KH. The battle system looks interesting, and i am confident in a good story
    The downside is that i can't really see a "Final Fantasy" there

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:02 20/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Fuck FFXIII-2.

    I want SquareSoft

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    Comment by Castian
    05:45 11/05/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I've always respected HouseLife comments, not always agreed to them but respected, and this time i'm fully with the Annon;
    HouseLife,friend making an analogy;
    Think of a "Tales" game, like it or not , but what do you imagine? that "Tales-ish" combat system and Anime styled, right?
    What if a "Tales" comes out looking like Dragon age,playing like Dragon age and sounding like Dragon age...?
    Would you still look it like a "Tales" or complain about the Hideous change, i mean Dragon Age it's a good game but will make a Horrible "Tales".

    Again FF13 and 13-2, are generally recived as "not that good" or "any good" and a perfectly true "Not a FF at all" and "That's not an RPG"

    Why? because a "Tales" game by OUR definition is more important as a gamer community than whatever appears on a dictionary.
    Now Man-up, your arguments are right by definition but not by the whole wide gamer community and its terms that are by far more accepted than any technisism found out there.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:56 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    the protagonist is a pretty boy with an epic sword, he is the new cloud strife :)

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    Comment by Koyoto_Shadow
    03:20 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    FF-VSXIII Seems like an upgraded kingdom hearts, almost like a mix of a mass effect with kingdom hearts. That's not a put down in any way, mind you, I find it high praise. If they can manage some good KH style combat with in-game and out video, and combine with a good storyline, which the KH team is known for...they might just have the saving grace of the FF series right here. The 'standard' FF line might not be seen as so important if VSXIII takes off...hopefully opening the floodgates at Square to develop some newer IP, with some more open thinking behind it than the FFXIII team did with that major flop.


    Comment by Anonymous
    06:40 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    X-2 was better than the original by far, anyone would be able to see that really it was much more creative in terms of character building than the original was and a far more different turn than any other final fantasy series.

    This is mostly due to the fact that the magic system was improved, and that there were also better character designs. Also the impact of the characters themselves as they changed after the original events adds a new dimension and surrealism to the story.

    It's much like some kind of high school reunion, where you meet up again in 5 years and see how everything has changed, maybe for the better maybe not, but the evolution of Yuna herself was quite astounding and a new change in pace compared the other series and the manner in which their characters were presented almost as being frozen in time by the choices of their actions.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:15 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)


    Go back under the bridge, will ya?

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:28 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol better character design. I'll give you surrealism alright...

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    Comment by Ray
    06:29 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    The game is actually due out late this year in winter makes me even more iffy, on it, while I don't mind Lightning's attire, I also hope they'll keep some elements of the original story.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:05 20/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Like... Lightning finds a dress sphere with memories of... who am i kidding, I sold my FFXIII copy before beating the game

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:38 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    First thing wrong... swords vs guns... enuf said.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:04 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Now go and fk yourself

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:57 20/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    X-2 was better than XIII so that's not saying much

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    Comment by King Tiger
    13:33 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'm STILL waiting on that versusXIII square enix.....

    anytime now (hopefully this year please)

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:16 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    What turn?
    You just go in one straight line!

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    Comment by Onanimous
    02:56 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually there are a few forks in the road. Of course one of left-right choices always leads to a cul-de-sac. ><

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:00 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    The problem is that X-2 was a follow up to a rather good game, and it was at least relatively playable itself. XIII-2 is a follow up to a shitty game that was bashed by a lot of people for justified reasons, and unless they make SWEEPING changes, all it's going to do is make it even more painfully clear that Square is HORRIBLY out of touch with reality as a whole.

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    Comment by Kiririn
    00:00 19/01/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    Squenix seems to be completely out of touch with their fanbase.

    PLAYERS: Why does FF13 have no towns?
    SE: It's too much work to make towns.

    PLAYERS: Why is it so linear?
    SE: So we can concentrate on presenting the story.

    PLAYERS: We want to play a game, not watch a movie!
    SE: Since you like it so much, we will make a sequel for you.

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    Comment by RaspberryKisses
    00:09 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    ha. tell than to some extra mission bosses and normal bosses. They gonna rip you if you don't know the battle system and don't plan you strategy. FFXIII is not a movie.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:32 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Another reason why not to play it and bash the game for its flawes. If 90% of game makes movies and idiotically easy grind battles and the 10% are annoyingly hard bossfights its what I call unballanced in its finest. Only sense I see in playing this game is when you actually dont play it at all - just place a brick on forward and watch. If the "game" breaks even this it sucks beyond repair.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:58 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    That is so wrong. The only time you really need to do anything other than Stagger + 3 commando is for all 3 super turtles. Except for them, there is ZERO deviation from Stagger + 3 commando.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:27 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    I suppose you loved the redundant turtle farming...

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    Comment by RaspberryKisses
    00:30 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    J-RPG without farming? get real son! i farmed my whole gaming life and i see no problem in it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:20 19/01/2011 # ! Neutral (0)

    Poor you. Seriously.
    (And yes, Jrpg without farming...)

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    Comment by Intermission
    04:45 19/01/2011 # ! Good (+0.4)

    Since I enjoyed FFXIII, I'm going to pick this up.

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