Senkaku Ramming Video “Cut to 6 Minutes from 3 Hours”

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The Japanese government is being accused of mounting a cover-up worthy of China itself, as not only is it fighting demands that it release a coast guard video of an alleged ramming of a coast guard ship by a Japanese vessel at every step, it is also only offering a 6 minute video of an incident which took nearly 3 hours to unfold.

Critics are already accusing it of editing the video to show China in a less unfavourable light.

Debates about whether to release the video of the incident to public continue, with still no conclusion reached. The government/DPJ position is that the video must not be released as it could “damage relations with China.”

The alternative is a limited showing of part of the video to selected Diet members – a measure unlikely to satisfy the public or anyone else outside of the party.

However, suspicions are mounting over the video itself, which is said to constitute a DVD containing only 6 minutes of video, despite the entire incident having taken 2 hours and 40 minutes to unfold, during which time the coast guard was able to meticulously document everything which happened.

Opposition LDP politicians have openly voiced doubts about whether the government is trying to cover something up: “It is mysterious. Has it not been edited?”

All that has surfaced so far are official accounts made by the government with Chinese relations in mind and the less than reliable testimony of the accused captain and the Chinese government.

The video seems to have convinced Okinawa prosecutors they could have won a conviction, and photos of the Chinese vessel show a large and powerful ocean-going ship which could easily have been involved in a ramming – aside from this evidence just what went on is a closely guarded secret for some reason.

Tokyo governor Shintaro Ishihara has already claimed he has heard that the video shows the Chinese fishermen harpooning a Japanese coast guard member, certainly incendiary content which could conceivably topple the government and discredit China completely.

As part of their efforts to see the video never sees the light of day, a senior DPJ politician even began claiming that releasing it would violate the human rights of those involved in the investigation, remarks which were widely interpreted as referring to the Chinese captain originally charged with ramming the ship.

In light of this and the size of the cuts it is easy to see why many are convinced the government will now do anything it takes to protect relations with China – even preparing a heavily doctored version to show to the Diet or public in the event withholding the video becomes untenable.

In other news, when asked whether they think the video should be made public, 95% of Japanese agreed:

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    Comment by Anonymous
    12:20 09/11/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    see ,in this website,anything about china is bad ,anything about japan is good ,fuck that,man ,what attracted you and me here ?japanese pussys,stop wasting time blaming china ,your words don't mean shit ,problems between china and japan ,leave them to themselves.plus ,i don't think you guys who care about woman's body so much have any idea what had happened between those countries.

    Comment by PhillB
    13:38 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Can it be that LDP was actually better than DPJ?

    C'mon! There is wikileaks. The best way to release classified media without having to blame any of your incompetent agents.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:25 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wikileaks is too worried about the US military and what they are doing, about killing civis by accident in the ongoing war.

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    Comment by denn
    14:15 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Both parties have failed to address key issues. The system needs a reboot.

    It's that or "scrap and scrap."

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:17 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And I thought it was about hentai. Damn it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:39 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/LJ29Ad02.html

    read this fucking weaboos.

    Japan sucks and Seiji Maehara is a neo-conservative fucker who doesent belong in the foreign ministry since he spins facts around just to masturbate to his delusions about Japan being an expansionist power again.

    best thing is: Obama isnt even pleased about Japan.
    The US is NOT on Japan's side in this game.

    Suck it up, weaboos.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:07 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    No matter what China does to Japan, they won't have the guts to start a war, because then the US and Russia will invade China, so why don't those F**king retards in China back down already?

    And I'm pretty sure if this war does start, the UN is definitely on Japan's side, meaning they're even more f**ked then ever...

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:45 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You just answered your own question, son. They don't intend to start a war, so why would they stand down? It's like having a steroid-abusing thug get in your face with the police watching - you know he's not going to punch you because he doesn't want to get arrested, but you can't throw the first punch either, so boils down to a pissing match.

    And you're the guy who was banned from using any steroids (no proper military).

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    Comment by Marine-RX179
    01:10 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    China did to Japan? Last time I chance this whole bullshit was started with the Japanese "kidnapped" (or arrested if you go by their claims) the captain of the Chinese fishing vessel over the charge ramming their vessel in their coast guard ship, which they failed to provide untempered evidences that covering the entire incident. Also, not to mention the "arrest" was made at a terrority that may or may not being to Japan.

    And I don't know why there are so many morons here think China will start a war...all they have to do is just stop doing business with Japan. If the business relation between China and Japan breaks, which country do you think would be hurt more? They can perfertly maintain their business relations with countries all of over the world, while just putting a road-block on doing business with Japan...why would they want to start a war to pisses off other countries?

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:44 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    There are no idiot who want to start a war other than those who claim to be commanded by God.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:44 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "less unfavourable" Nice double negative and extraneous "u," Brah.

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    Comment by Myballz
    21:02 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    So a Boat being attack from behind is called rape in Japan?

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:07 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Why would Japan alter a video to show China in a LESS unflattering light? That doesn't make sense, China and Japan are pretty much at each other's throats today.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:15 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Almost made me wish Japan HAD won the Second Sino-Japanese War... it's only due to Allies Intervention that Japan lost, China was already on it's f*cking knees.
    A Japanese-controlled China would cause problems like this...

    For this, DPJ will be pulled from power in the next election by the hands of the people.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:52 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Did you know back in WW2 India was petitioning for Japanese aid in driving out the British? If Japan had conquered China, they would have been able to move into India and easily wipe out the British while their main force was tied up with the Nazis.

    And today you would have 2 billion people under the command of the political descendants of the lightbulbs who thought it would be a great idea to attack Pearl Harbor.

    Yeah, that's MUCH better than what we have now.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:07 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Dumbass.

    If anything, it's the third sino-japanese war.

    first sino-japanese war: 1895
    second sino-japanese war: 1931
    third sino-japanese war: 201X

    And no, China wasnt on its knees. Japan's advance was brought to a standstill and a stalemate.
    China was unconquerable by even two million japanese soldiers.
    That's why the imperial japanese navy raided south east asia to cut China from western supplies.
    But still, China held out and involved the majority of the IJA in a hopeless war of attrition.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:17 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually, reading about the Second Sino-Japanese War, from 1937 to 1941, Japan made great advances into Central China. Japan had all of Northern China under it's control, then advances into Central China, taking Shanghai and Nanjing in 1937. Japan won many victories and China was repeatly pushed back until the early 1940s. American Volunteer Group was formed in 1941 to assist and help the Nationalist Chinese forces, and Soviet Volunteers also help the Communist forces. after 1941 Allies formally declared war on Japan.

    China alone could not defeat the Japanese forces during WW2/Second Sino-Japanese War.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:27 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Still, japan could never win a land war in China, let alone a land war in asia.

    China's weakness wasnt so much its military capabilites, but more the disorganization, corruption and disunity within the nation, that stems from the civil war and the age of warlordism.

    The fact that Japan couldnt even overcome this weakened and impoverished China, is pretty much just proving how they sucked.
    The first victories, the japanese took advantage of said disunity and swallowed one province after another - but after the NRA and Communist Army reorganized themselves, the Japs couldnt win anymore.
    Then, they resorted to the 'three-all'-policy; kill all, burn all, pillage all, to stop the communist resistance operating behind their own lines. without success.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:01 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "The first victories, the japanese took advantage of said disunity and swallowed one province after another - but after the NRA and Communist Army reorganized themselves, the Japs couldnt win anymore."

    Completely Utterly false.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ichi-Go

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:54 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yes, Japanese should rule the world, not just China, but your country, too. Oh, on top of that, how about an even greater scale massacre in your capital city? That'll surely reinforce your fucked up Japanophilic anti-China sentiment.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:39 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    this should be called senkaku complex

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:21 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It is because it is not fair that the treaties that come from them do not have the value and respect they should have.

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    Comment by Tomoya-san
    13:31 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Cut due to 2 hours and 54 minutes of 'explicit content'?

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:59 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    It's just so you will buy the blue ray version.

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    Comment by Schrobby
    00:54 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nah, they'd have used fog and beams of light to create demand. ^_^

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:09 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Cut due to 2 hours and 54 minutes of boring shit. I guess the Japanese government decided that not everyone is an unemployed shut in who can watch two boats sail around for THREE HOURS. It's not fucking Titanic 2.

    Although undersea zombie Titanic movie does have its own appeal.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:31 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I wonder who are free enough to watch that boring shit.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:42 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    All the interns.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:12 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    This isn't an excuse for not releasing the whole video to the Diet.

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    Comment by Schrobby
    01:08 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    not releasing = hiding evidence

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:36 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You're faulting the government for trying not to waste people's time by showing only the relevant bits?

    It was a collision, that's all that happened, the coast guard isn't crying about one of theirs being harpooned, no mourning family is crying about their coast guard son being harpooned, none of the fisherman have paraded around bragging about harpooning a coast guard. What in the flying fuck do you expect to be on the other 2 hours and 54 minutes of video? George W. Bush on the bow of the fishing vessel explaining in lurid details how 9/11 was a conspiracy and the magic method used to silence everyone involved (which would have to be the same magic they used to silence everyone involved in this incident)?

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:32 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    releasing =/= making everyone watch

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    Comment by denn
    14:00 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Six minutes of harpooning/ramming would certainly be preferred to three hours of chase/standoff/warnings.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:30 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Or the "harpooning" that didn't happen. Considering how shitty the Japanese government is, they're probably hiding something from the Japanese and Chinese public because it could've been something bad done by the Japanese rather than the Chinese.
    Don't give me the anti-China shit because none of us have evidence that one side did bad over the other, since they won't release the whole god damned video.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:53 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Reality check, yo. Money makes the world go 'round. The truth is irrelevant.

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    Comment by Schrobby
    01:07 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Because the China loving japanese government prefers brownnosing their mainland friends over doing their jobs.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:31 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    pretty much this

    if china is so much in the wrong, then why not release the damn video?

    the only reason i can think of for japan not to release the entire video is if they were in fact in the wrong more than china is

    i love japan to bits for their anime but this is just stupid

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:50 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Because, if the Chinese had any reason to suspect that the video shows the Japanese to be in the wrong *they* would be pressuring *Japan* to release it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:54 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Funny, you just described the whole season of Whale Wars.

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    Comment by PrinceHeir
    17:25 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    not again -_____-

    when will it ever end?

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:19 30/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Why is it that everyone jumps to the conclusion that it was the fisherman in the wrong? Certainly it would make sense for the DJP to protect Japanese relations with China - but the fisherman himself is not a Chinese ambassador or politician, and his actions really shouldn't have any bearing on political matters.

    If they had released the video immediately after the incident by showing the fisherman supposedly ramming and harpooning a coast guard, I'm quite certain the Chinese government would not condone his actions or support him in any way. In fact, China would place more value on its trade relations with Japan and, at the very most, ask for the accused to be returned home for trial (another matter entirely).

    From an unbiased third-party perspective, all evidence points towards the government trying to hide something that could put themselves in bad light. After all, with the world as the audience, Japan has much more motive for covering up their own mistakes than that of China's. Assuming that the fisherman was in fact guilty of these accusations, then any retaliation on behalf of China would be condemned by every other civilized nation in the world.

    Furthermore, the claim that releasing the video would damage relations with China obviously creates a very anti-Chinese sentiment among Japanese citizens, which really isn't much better than releasing the video in its entirety.

    I'm not going to go around discrediting everyone here as weeaboos and Japanophiles, but please take a step back and view things objectively before drawing irrational conclusions.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:24 30/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You'll have more meaningful talking to a brick wall than the retards here.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:28 30/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    but how could Japan win the war? What about the US, how can Japan defeat China when it have to deal with the US at the same time? The US would've won against Japan during the War, Japan wouldn't have enough strength to attack China at the same time as fighting US in the Pacific.
    Also, the Soviet Union would've invade as well.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:16 30/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    A What if... scenario.

    What if... Japan didn't surrender after the Atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Sure many would believe that Japan would've lost anyway and would be the first time in history to be invaded by an foreign forces. (Btw, I still don't think Japan had never been invaded, the surrender of Japan led to an American Occupation, technically not an invasion. And Okinawa, nor Hokkaido wouldn't count, as those two are not considered Japan proper. Both were considered, in ancient times, to be not part of Japan home islands, Hokkaido are home to the Ainu while Okinawa, aka Ryukyus, were ruled by the Ryukyu people).

    In recent times, researcher disclosed reports that Japan during WW2 was building atomic weapons as well, in Manchuria and Northern Korea. Though in a smaller scale than it's American counterpart. they actually tested one just within a few days before the surrender.

    If Japan were to called Truman's bluff (he only had two atomic bombs), then an American invasion was imminent. but if Japan would've speed up it's atomic weapons program, Japan could've successfully built several small ones in a short time.
    Another trump card that the Japanese have are the I-400 Submarine aircraft carriers and the I-200 submarines.
    I-400 could carry 3 aircraft fitted with bombers and carry enough fuel to go around the world 1 and a half times. 3 were operational by the end of the war and were on a mission to destroy Panama Canal to prevent American ships to move from Atlantic to Pacific. other targets were New York (think Manhattan Project), Washington, D.C. and other large cities.
    I-400 were known to be the largest submarines until the nuclear subs were built.
    I-200 were the fastest submarines during the war.
    In addition, Japanese Submarine technology were consider to be more advanced than Americans. The torpedo type-93 and Type-95 were considered the most advanced and reliable torpedos during it's time.

    For more info, go to wikipedia.

    If Japan can held off just enough time for both the nuclear weapons and the I-400 and I-200 to complete it's mission, They could've had America to sued for peace. Which would give Japan a free hand to deal with China.

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    Comment by Daniel
    13:29 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Can't they go to bloody war already?

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    Comment by King Tiger
    13:37 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    no because Russia, Korea, and the U.S. would get involved thus creating an even bigger mess of things and right now none of the countries listed including china and japan can't afford a war especially when they all rely on one another for trade and stuff

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:40 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    WW3!!!!!!! o-o lets hope to hell that before that time comes i'll be dead from watching too much anime without rest.. or it'd be hell all over again -.-

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    Comment by Schrobby
    22:57 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'd migrate to that planet.

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    Comment by Azure Xuchilbara
    16:45 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I hope by then that all the cute girls, traps, and lolis are far away from in a distant planet...Oh, and also anime seiyuus and artists~

    Let the insecure men and women (but mostly men) f*ck each other up the ass with their wars...

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:32 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think that would be a very bad idea for Japan, as it doesn't have the military strength to take on China. Now, I don't know how their allies would react, but it could well turn into a huge international conflict, one which most would likely want to avoid.

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    Comment by Schrobby
    00:29 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Japan's forces are not to be underestimated.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:21 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    >United Kingdom
    > superpowers
    /0

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:51 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    lol, Schrobby, the military expert

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:53 04/11/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    But in all seriousness, the PLAN would get its ass kicked by the JSMDF. Current PLAN tech is at 1970s - 80s Soviet Era stuff, with very little training in offensive operations. Therefore, all that "Chinese Military Strength" is useless if the PLA can't project it. THe only way the Chinese could hit Japan would be with the 2nd Arty Corp's cruise missles.

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    Comment by Sirf*aplot
    04:04 04/11/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    @anon13:18

    Well all that PLA ground numbers won't mean shit if the Chinese can't project it (aka. land on Japan). Which means if war was to erupt, it would heavily depend on China's navy, air force, and 2nd Arty Corps.
    As of 2010, the PLAN is not capable of taking on the JSMDF (a combination of lower tech [western analysts say the PLAN vessels have about as much force projection as the Soviet Navy in the 70s], and lack of training in offensive ops). Not to mention, I believe the US 7th Fleet is permanently stationed in Japan so China would lose its navy handily.
    PLAF and JSDF apparently has achieved parity (as several new PLAF fighter planes have managed to lock onto Jap F-2s in a few incidents, but would have to face both American Carrier and land-based fighters). Without a powerful enough air force and navy, the PLA ground forces have very little projectable power and can only be counted on to fight a defensive war (which is moot since the Japs can't invade them again).

    So the most the ChiComs can do is to lob their large amounts of cruise missles at Japan and hope to overwhelm Japanese and American Aegis systems.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:10 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    LOL, find some facts to show that Japan has the militaristic strength to take on China without the support from the US.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:18 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lets see...
    Japan
    Navy = 46,000 members,
    JSDF (Self Defence Force) = 239,430 members, 147,737 land + 44,327 water + 45,517 maritime, 57,899 reserves...
    well that's japan,
    China
    Republic of China Navy = 53,000 members,
    People's Liberation Army Navy = 250,000 members
    People's Liberation Army = 7,555,000 members (#1 in army size)
    yeah.... Japan doesn't have a chance in war... and the US isn't going to join easily since the 3 superpowers in the world are currently USA, China, and United Kingdom...

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:46 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    China and Japan better step carefully if there really is oil there USA my have to put its foot down and take it from both of you o.0

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    Comment by ☆ БОSS ☆
    13:32 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    But then that means all the Chinese otaku will sent to re-education camps in which they'll have to watch shitty state-drawn animu

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    Comment by Schrobby
    22:30 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The japanese government should either rot in jail for treason and get deported to their beloved China. I'm all for the latter.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:32 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    yay trolling! gj Schrobby for 3 posts all with different points of view of ownership!

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:46 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    but the chinese said ''no you wont watch the enemies art you hate the formal enemie and you wacth our anime''!

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:45 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    either that or chinese otaku get slaughtered by the thousands, not by the police, but by patriot neighbors... (seeing that most chinese ppl still hate japanese ppl) though, a way better solution would be for both sides to just split everything evenly and get over with the whole thing... i mean, ITS JUST A FEW ISLANDS WITH NO INHABITANTS, why the hell would they do something so costly as START A WAR on something like that? *thinks of possible responce* yes there might be oil or rare minerals there but seriously, look at the pros and cons *thinks of another responce* you can't say it's china's fault nor can you say it's japan's fault, both sides can be blamed, or both sides can be just, there's ppl supporting china and there's ppl supporting japan, it's something which can't be solved without compromising... and also... if u think 1 piece of disputed territory is bad, take a look at all around the world, if u take out all the land that's labeled as "disputed territory" u'd end up with something the size of australia xP

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:56 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    That the release of the video will damage its relation with China cannot be doubted. However what would interest me is how exactly will it damage its relation:
    Is it because it makes China look like an lying bastard, or is it because it reveals that the Japanese government has been lying and tarnish their reputation internationally.

    Personally, I'd say it's the second. Because I doubt that Japan would even hesitate for a second if the first case would be true.

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    Comment by Gitami
    02:15 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The relation is pretty much damaged already so yeah, you're right.

    Unless there is a secret backroom dealing, ie. China will support Japan over one of the other islands in contention with Korea.

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    Comment by Schrobby
    22:33 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Personally, I'd say it's both.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:54 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    STFU and suck me off BITCH!!!! right NOW!

    Comment by Anonymous

    First thing is China does have reason to go with war with Japan and i am sure those countries who was terrorize by japan during WW2 will support them.
    Secondly, if i was the japan government i would have to keep good relation with china as it is a rising power and my industries is in china as if our relation is broken, japan will more or less have a economy break down and worse case there will be war and japan will surely lose 100%.
    Thirdly US cannot help japan as they OWNED CHINA money. So US decides to help the china government will force US to return them their money and therefore they will be killing their own economy.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:46 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    either that or chinese otaku get slaughtered by the thousands, not by the police, but by patriot neighbors... (seeing that most chinese ppl still hate japanese ppl) though, a way better solution would be for both sides to just split everything evenly and get over with the whole thing... i mean, ITS JUST A FEW ISLANDS WITH NO INHABITANTS, why the hell would they do something so costly as START A WAR on something like that? *thinks of possible responce* yes there might be oil or rare minerals there but seriously, look at the pros and cons *thinks of another responce* you can't say it's china's fault nor can you say it's japan's fault, both sides can be blamed, or both sides can be just, there's ppl supporting china and there's ppl supporting japan, it's something which can't be solved without compromising... and also... if u think 1 piece of disputed territory is bad, take a look at all around the world, if u take out all the land that's labeled as "disputed territory" u'd end up with something the size of australia xP...

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    Comment by Schrobby
    22:55 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Those are official treaties, not acknowledging them doesn't matter. The Islands belong to Japan and that's it. In the highly unlikely case they would get taken away from Japan the islands would go to... Taiwan, not China.
    China can do a handstand and wobble it's ass cheeks all it wants, Senkaku doesn't belong to them. Now that we're at it, they should be thrown out of Tibet as well.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:31 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I dislike many things about what is going on in China but I fear the Japanese coast guard was in error. Is it inconceivable that the cover up is not to protect showing a bad view of China but that of Japan? Also, at the rate it is going, it almost seems easier for them to have sunk the Chinese vessel (with the crew). An extreme decision…such as pointing out tourists as spies…maybe next time.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:09 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Didn't japan claim the islands as their some decades ago? While china claimed them just recently when it became known that there was large amount of reserves beneath the ground?

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:31 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    "Didn't japan claim the islands as their some decades ago? While china claimed them just recently when it became known that there was large amount of reserves beneath the ground?"

    Incorrect, up until 1895 China had ownership of the islands, but after the first Sino-Japanese war China surrendered Taiwan and "all surrounding islands" to Japan - which included the Senkaku/Daioyutai islands. Japan was forced to surrender all conquered territories after WW2, but since the islands were uninhabited and there was political turmoil in China and Taiwan, nobody could dispute their claims that the Senkake/Daioyutai islands were among the islands surrounding Taiwan. America officially transferred control of the islands to Japan and both Taiwan and China have been bitching about it ever since.

    Honestly, if anything it's a part of Taiwan. It's half the distance to Taiwan than it is to Japan and there are more (and older) historical references to the islands in ancient Chinese and Taiwanese texts than in Japanese texts.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:05 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I am supporting China on this actually. This case is very similar to Toktou/Takeshima island Korea has with Japan.

    Japan conceded the island in a questionable war and questionable treaty. The first Sino-Japanese war wasn't exactly fair, with Japan being the aggressor.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:52 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Go blow a horse.

    Its China's and Japan doesn't really have anything to back it up.

    USA helping? USA owes China money, wars won't happen because face it China wins.

    Chinese soldiers have the motivation to fight(WW2).

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:44 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    If Japan own the islands then they have to right to protect their property.....

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    Comment by Schrobby
    04:21 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Since when has war ever been fair?

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:28 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    War....War never changes....

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:36 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    "As a Taiwanese person, not even for. A second has the PRC ever. owned Taiwan"

    Taiwan was annexed by the Qing in 1683 and they maintained unbroken control for 300 years until the dynasty collapsed, 86% (70% Hoklo, 15% Hakka) of Taiwanese people are descended from Chinese immigrants, 12% are descended from the Chinese that came along with the KMT, and only 2% are aboriginal (native) Taiwanese.

    Is Taiwan a part of modern-day Communist China? No. Was it a province of Imperial China? Yes. Does hating China or the Chinese make sense? Not unless you're part of the 2% native Taiwanese, because China would be your ancestral homeland otherwise.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:55 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    LOL what an IDIOT 095229 anon is

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:16 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    So Schrobby, when the day your homeland's taken over by China, you should bite the dust and acknowledge that since war isn't fair, the land China now occupies which was formerly your motherland, is and will always remain a part of China. LOL

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:33 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    So you think it is wrong to stand up against unfairness?

    Comment by PhillB
    13:53 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lingering resources, buddy.

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    Comment by Renzo
    14:09 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Looks like WW3 will be delayed though,, .. for a while

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    Comment by toyNN
    14:16 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Tis so obvious a spy-vessel and given the lack of reporting initially by Japanese media it clear they didn't want this to be come the big issue it has. I'd bet the true video would show a much more *negative* China and that's what is trying to be covered-up. Japan can't afford a huge dust-up with China.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:50 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The accusation that China claimed them when there are large amount of reserves is slippery because China will just claim that the Japanese stole the islands in the first place for its resources.

    The argument ends up in a stalemate because Japan claims that they have treaties that ceded control over to Japan. However, Senkaku Islands were not explicitly named in the treaties and hardly anyone acknowledges the treaties.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:45 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Does it make a difference? A delay shows that there is something to hide. Whether or not it would be damaging to China or Japan is not the issue. Why is the government still trying to hide it? Debate all we want, but the government is still trying to hide it for whatever reason.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:32 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I am the only one who read Sankaku in the title instead of Senkaku?

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:52 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    There were hundreds of ships fishing near Senkaku Islands every day before the collision occured. All of them could could be spies.

    Comment by Anonymous

    To anonymous,

    As a Taiwanese person, not even for. A second has the PRC ever. owned Taiwan, and very few of us like china, so I don't feel that the Treaty of Shimonoseki was "stealing land from China".

    Then again, taiwanese people like Japan rather than china...

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:00 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I thought em animu are already drawn mostly by Chinese studios anyway.

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    Comment by Astray Flame
    07:30 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    anon 14:00 If you're talking about bootleg then sure, otherwise like the other two anon said it is South Korea.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:10 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    mainly korean studios actually

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:04 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    south korean

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    Comment by Azure Xuchilbara
    16:42 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    @Daniel

    PERISH THE THOUGHT!!!

    The last thing I need is for Comiket (and future anime shows) to be canceled because of something stupid war because of an equally stupid incident like this...

    Not to mention the threat of nukes that would kill potential anime seiyuus and hentai/anime artists if war indeed occurred because of this crap...

    @MKS

    Amen, friend~

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:50 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I am okay with that

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:06 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Because Japan would lose.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:04 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    wouldnt this mean that USA would go to war with china since their responsible for protecting japan because of ww2?

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    Comment by Majineko
    15:16 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    exactly, and i dont think americans can afford another war

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    Comment by Schrobby
    23:01 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    They could pay the war with the debts they won't have to pay China anymore. Also they'd gain access to the chinese ressources. The USA hunger for ressources, just like China, Russia or the EU.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:06 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    hun... as long as the UN's in place, a large scale war between the US and China is improbable, and +, 2 superpowers in the world going to war with eachother, that'll end the world as we know it

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:53 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Americans are good at doing things they can't afford which in this case would be favourable to the rest of the world

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:50 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The US haven't been giving a shit about any of their responsibilities or treaties these last few years, except to Israel, in case you hadn't noticed.







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