Chinese General Demands “Return” of Okinawa

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A serving Chinese general has been saying he thinks Japan ought to be made to “withdraw” from Okinawa, in favour of the peace-loving Chinese.

According to media reports, a Chinese general attached to a national defence research institute gave a radio interview in which he demanded the “return” of Okinawa to China:

We must demonstrate our resolve over the Diaoyu Islands to Japan with actions, but there is a wider issue – we should formally raise the issue of the return of Okinawa [to China].

Okinawa used to be a kingdom called Ryukyu, but in 1879 Japan forcibly occupied it. They had to abandon the Chinese calendar and Chinese characters.

Japan may have occupied it,  but we need to look closely at the issue.

[...]

Of course, Japan should withdraw from Ryukyu.

Prior to being formally annexed by Japan, Ryukyu had enjoyed various tributary relationships with both Japan and China, usually finding itself under the de facto control of the nearby Shimazu clan in Kyushu.

Recent years have seen increasing amounts of revanchist rhetoric from Chinese sources demanding the “return” or “independence” of the islands, but so far no official demand has been made for them, and none seems immediately likely given they are still bristling with American firepower – although China is already trying to pry parts of their “sacred territory” from the chain.


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    Avatar of Solace
    Comment by Solace
    14:05 16/07/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    China: the only government retarded enough to match Ishihara (and namely other governments as well).

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    Comment by Myballz
    14:16 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Whats next China going to to claim North Korea next considering how many times they shot at people near there boarder?

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:58 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    wouldn't that be an improvement?

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:16 06/08/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    There boarder... My God....

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:47 20/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    China annexed several islands off the coast of Vietnam some decades ago... Not like anyone cared in the west though.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:15 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Like US and Mexico?

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:57 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Um, excuse me?

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:48 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    That's not even close, it's like saying Japan and the ocean.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:02 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Interesting how chinese have no balls to talk down the north koreans who bitch slapped their spies for running across the yalu river. Cowards, everyone of them.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:13 22/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    ...how do you think we know what North Korea is like? from people there on vacation?

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:12 18/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    You don't exactly need spies to know what north korea's like.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:24 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    There's a word in history for a conquered island
    Losers don't get their stuff back
    ^_^
    Or it would be super Germany still with ottomans xd

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:22 04/11/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    USA and Europe governments are not any better than china or ishihara

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    Comment by soigneerin
    20:19 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    As much as I like Japan, I cannot stress enough how much of an occupied pussy its government is. Instead of making up with its biggest 2 neighbours (China and Japan), it chooses to side with the U.S. opinion on all major issues concerning the region. However much you may hate China, you should first try and figure out who's deliberately causing discord between the neighbouring nations, and for what purpose.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:59 18/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well this isn't really rocket science.

    It's obvious who's throwing the shit into the fan. Politicians and co. US has been doing this shit for years too; look where it got Iraq, Afghan, Okinawa, Tibet etc...(lol like shit stirring countries is their talent)

    Only the ignorant, racist and nationalists are that blind to not notice. Shining examples are already here *Looks at comments in this article* This is why us Westerners in general are stereotyped as hypocrites of godly level. Thank you the loud and ignorant.

    Every government or those affiliated with them want rock. Whether it's for resources, military or for the sake of owning more. Any government that says they don't are outright liars *cough*USA & UK*cough*.

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    Comment by soigneerin
    20:21 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    *(China and Russia)

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    Comment by Ota-Kool
    17:07 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    JUST INVADE CHINA.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:59 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    You can't invade China. Not even the US can. Sure, a China isn't powerful enough to win an offesive war against the west, as they have no power projection capabilities, but if the fighting were to be had around their area, they have a shitton of stuff.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:36 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    China would repeat what they did in the Korean war. Just throw numbers at the enemy to make them run out of bullets and then overwhelm them. China historically hasn't put much value on human life.

    The problem at this point is that now only China has the industrial capacity to manufacture weapons to take on the Chinese. The US has a severe problem: after a couple of months there's no more missiles, rockets or ammunition left. Most swords and knives are even manufactured outside the US. I guess there are rocks in the western US.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:53 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    >US computer chips can't be matched.

    The only US ones in the Top 10 Semiconductor vendors in 2011 with their own fab are Intel and Texas Instruments. Qualcomm, Boardcom are fabless comapnies.

    reference: http://www.eetimes.com/electronics-news/4215223/Broadcom-enters-top-10-chip-rankings-

    There are less than a handful of companies who owns their own chip fabs and how many have them in the U.S.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:57 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I've seen this twice now. Who's proliferating the falsehood that China is 1/3 of the world population? At most it's 1/5

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:06 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    >>China will release its dollar holding and force default of US debt all at once and trigger a positive feedback loop - Dollar worth as much as toilet paper overnight, US credit rating down to junk status.

    If China do it against US certanly will destroy all economy of the world at once, my Real will value less than a junk, and will make "World against china". China is the 1/3 of the world on population but dunno if can deal with other 2/3 of population on the Earth.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:53 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    US would just do what it did in WWII and have GM, Ford and Chrysler manufacture military equipment instead of cars. Beside US military technology is still light years ahead of China.I'm sure there are platforms orbiting the earth that would fry China's ass if push came to shove.
    China manufactures shit.They even had to buy a used Soviet aircraft carrier from Ukraine. The best power supplies and capacitors come from Japan and Taiwan not the mainland. US computer chips can't be matched.

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    Comment by Shima-kun989
    08:02 20/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    id be more scared of india, since they have nuclear capabilities and are 3 billion people strong.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:20 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    China will release its dollar holding and force default of US debt all at once and trigger a positive feedback loop - Dollar worth as much as toilet paper overnight, US credit rating down to junk status. You won't be able to feed your army, much less sending them to war.

    You can't go to war with them, they own you now.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:56 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    00:20 someone doesn't understand basics of national debt contracts. First of all, they cannot release anything with US agreeing to it since those debt is written in contracts about who gets to do what - national debt is not a personal debt. There are specific situations that allows china to do so, none of them which can be brought about if US first makes the mistake of not abiding by the same terms of repayments, which US can easily remedy by devaluing its dollars, and letting china take the hit for inflation.

    Having a debt is under a mutually agreed contract, which does not allow unilateral scrubbing of them by one party. Besides, as the saying goes, "If you borrow a million from the bank, banks owns you, but if you borrow a trillion, you own the bank". With the power to print dollar at will and letting other nations take the hit from it as a revenge for their own currency manipulations, and with strict contract that does not allow unilateral action without the whole bonds bought by china being ruled null and void by international banking systems, china cannot demand anything. They foolishly thought they got the weak point of US, when infact they walked into the trap of internationally binding contracts that allows US to use cheated money of chinese for their own advantage while draining their crookedly-earned dollars.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:35 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    shitton of cowards = shit.

    Just proved everyone's point.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:20 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Why would you invade China? They have nothing worth fighting over.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:54 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    and what happens when japs take over chink-land ? They would need to feed and manage land of the incompetent buffoons. Japan will drown in debt .

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:18 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    To find out the secrets of their explosions.
    WH40K Orks need upgrades.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:11 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    They have tried it in 1937 and failed miserably

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:26 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    The "imports" actually are natural minerals, which are needed for electronic and automotive manufacturing and does not have anything to do with retarded China. Did China plant those minerals? No. Were those minerals fossils of their ancestors? No. China got lucky they sit their fat arses on a land rich with rare minerals. That's all.

    Besides, I find it funny that the best capacitor is the Japan-made one, not the China-made one, despite the rare minerals used for the capacitor manufacturing were imported from China. Just another proof that China doesn't know how to properly and optimally use its own resources. Might as well give all those minerals to the countries who knows how to handle them.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:05 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    21:54

    They would move their imports and exports to other 3rd world countries that don't bitch as much, and chinese economy collapses under job loss and complete international trade isolation?

    Good idea. Let the chinese bitch some more and we can remove the free trade agreement to another nations. It would cause a recession for a few years, but no nation believe chinese are indispensible when there are so many other poor people just wishing for foreign investments. Rest of the world takes one or two year recession than moves on, while chinese slide into abrupt depression because export they are so dependent on is cut off completely. Nice try.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Lol nothing worth fighting over. Let's stop all imports from China to Japan. Let's see what happens to the Japanese economy.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:25 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh please do, cut the crap and just destroy China. Go! The mighty. Army of sankaku! smash your enemy with your made-in-china keyboard!

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:49 18/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    ...We the Sankaku Army can only sit behind our computers, shit talk, troll and bitch about anything to stroke our own egos...Not exactly a worthwhile army are we?. Like 2ch...ZING!

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:26 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    don't say that out loud, some stupid president might start considering it. remember iraq?

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:55 21/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Must be trolling.
    Or believes Fox News.

    Maybe both.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:26 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    in which less than 4400 of ours died for fucking up the whole country, while sandniggers killed themselves and alqueda now extremely marginalized? Not to mention we get to wield a significant measure of geopolitical power in an area with most valuable modern day resource? yea, a big fail.

    This was nothing compared to vietnam or ww2, or even civil war. We control the dollar, the violence, and influence. What's not to celebrate about?

    Not to mention osama is dead now....in his own home. Sandniggers got bitch slapped good when they got uppity.

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    Comment by kintama00
    18:31 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    but.. boom..

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    Comment by kazaza2
    01:56 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    @ 21:30

    I'd love to see China try, I'm partial to stir fry.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:21 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    @21:30 Anon

    You're forgetting the MAD principle, or Mutual Assured Destruction.

    The US gets nuked, it nukes others as well.
    End result, extinction of the human race.

    Or to paraphrase Joshua from the movie Wargames: Global Thermonuclear War, a strange game. The only winning move is not to play.

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    Comment by Alexeon
    02:57 19/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's like 01:17 said, China tries to nuke us and they get a city or two but before they are finished celebrating they've lost all their major cities and military installations.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:07 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    We lose LA, they lose 1.3bn people. We let the chinese clean our toilet, we clean them off the face of the earth. A win-win situation!

    Let's make it happen. Somebody nuke that damn fishing village off the face of the earth!

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:30 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    US getting nuked would... the rest of the world would be better off.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:09 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Invading China would trigger a World War 3. The tensions between US/NATO, Russia and Iran are higher than ever before.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:41 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    You'd have to be retarded to invade China over mere threats to invade Japan.

    China doesn't have good cards in this game. If they actually DID invade Japan, guess how the chips would fall...? Yep, NATO + Russians + "everyone" vs. China.

    See, if anyone really has to be worried about China, it's Russia & India (& other countries in the immediate sphere of influence), in the first place.
    No move would be more stupid for them than siding with China, rather than against it.

    And unlike the US, the EU has rather good relations & allies all over the world...

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    Comment by Shima-kun989
    08:14 20/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    you think the US just lost all its allies after 9/11 / gulf war 2? Im pretty sure the US maintains stable relationships with half of western europe, and half of asia, along with most of the middle east, even.

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    Comment by Erilea
    18:04 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    AGREED!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:32 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    First, I respect China more than I look like I do. I am just wholeheartedly convinced our way to handle freedom is orders of magnitude better than theirs. Also, they are too hostile for my tastes. But I wouldn't kill them for that.

    Second, Invading China would cost a fucking lot. It's really not worth it. If anyone does it, it must be the USA or the UN, and frankly I think they can't accomplish it, let alone afford it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:29 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    What else can you expect from these children? east asians in general tend to have a pretty infantile and naive view of the world, especially the chinks that like to run their mouths. No wonder they got raped by the japanese - it's like they are asking to be fucked.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:46 20/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Shuaddap redneck SCUMZ.

    Go eat half-cook meat you pale-belly fish of a whale!

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:44 18/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Lol says the redneck whiteboy trailer trash

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    Comment by Shima-kun989
    07:58 20/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    is he for or against japan? i cant tell, like I REALLY cant tell.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:44 22/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    @ 19:07

    Actually most comments on this site are contained, if somewhat childish. Just a few who think their some shit and post offensive stuff. Still better than 4chan.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:07 21/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    The words on this excerpt applies to 80% of the people on this site.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:43 21/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    There's this breed of monkeys called "racists" that hate on a particular [racial] group and not one nation. You can tell from the way they utter slurs, throw kiddy tantrums when feeling humiliated, and make most imaginative race assumptions followed by verbal juggling of their own filth. They are also most easily trolled with their fragile egos, often humorously mistaking anyone who speaks out against them as members of their hated race.

    Due to severe lacking in mental capacity, racists are commonly able to deviate from this pattern little to none.

    - excerpt from The Back of a Postage Stamp on Internet Trash

    Comment by Dark Mage
    14:22 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    They don't have much of a blue water navy lets put it this way India has a more capable blue water navy then China so they can't really invade anyone.
    The first time they try any troop ships and subs would quickly become new reefs.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:34 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Last I checked china launched their first aircraft carrier this year and is building a few more

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:49 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Even the Italians have an aircraft carrier, are you going to say they are formidable in a blue water scenario too?

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:34 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Majority of Chinas military vehicles(ships and aircrafts) are either very old and/or scrapped from Russian(Soviet Union*) and US during WWII.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:37 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    @17:07 Anon

    You're forgetting about the Treaty of Mutual Cooperation and Security between the United States and Japan, which was renewed as late as I think it was 2010 and will be in effect until 2020.

    Granted both sides have the option of revoking it, but there's a 1y notice requirement for that.

    As it's a signed and ratified treaty, it's considered the Law of the Land, and ignoring it would leave a President open to impeachment, which considering the current political climate in the US is a very real worry. And no President is going to commit political suicide over something like this.

    In addition, considering their tech level, it's estimated that Japan could be a fully capable nuclear power within a 2y timeframe.

    So even with the revoking of the treaty, they'd still need to hold out for 1y, if they hadn't already started a switchover prior to the revocation and done their work in secret.

    And that's probably a scenario that the US would encourage and assist in, if they did have to pull out.

    So the whole idea of the US just going: "Screw it, we're going home" and ignoring their treaty obligations. Just isn't feasible.

    It might be what the Chinese want to see happen, but the political situation in the US has to be taken into consideration as well. And that pretty much precludes such an event from occurring.

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    Comment by Shima-kun989
    08:19 20/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    you ever tried winning at starcraft with only 1 carrier? doesn't work

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:29 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I would love to see how china with its severely lacking naval and land record would fair against battle-experienced marines and navy that crushed the people who raped their women, rampaged across their lands, and burned their homes. Not to mention those inexperienced naval forces should make great targets for navy pilots and destroyer jockeys who are eager to get another flat top kills on their records.

    Really, substituting your own body counts for tactics is a clear mark that they already lost.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:03 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Actually Italy has 2 aircraft carrier (garibaldi and cavour) and it is storically a sea power, altough usually limited to the mediterran sea. Dont underestimate G8 nations, they all have quite some military power: japan itself has one of the most advanced fleet in the pacific.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:01 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Their first aircraft carrier is the one abandoned by Russia. Its relic already.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:07 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    America would not want a war with china because they have put massive amounts of resourses into building battle ships not just a couple a mean lods, so america would ditch the japs

    Comment by Dark Mage
    16:41 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Japan actually has a sizable Airforce and Navy any invasion fleet would suffer serious losses esp one without any air cover.
    Since Japan is ordering some F-35s and has the ATD-X in development.
    The Hyuga class ships could be easily converted into an aircraft carrier for S/VTOL planes like the F-35.
    Plus the US would take Japan's side.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:10 17/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    @soigneerin:

    If you think russia cares that much about china, you are brutally mistaken. Unless US actions directly threaten the integrity and power of russia in central asia or eastern europe, russia would actually welcome the opportunity to get rid of its bitchy neighbor they share a very porous and long land border with.

    You can always count on the russian national interest to behave in a way that benefits russia. If US and china go to war with US solely focusing on china and courting russia with sharing influence in the region far more than chinese ever could, russia would mull and then jump at it. Geopolitics in stacked in favor of whomever attacks china because they managed to piss off every one of their neighbors so thoroughly.

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    Comment by soigneerin
    20:47 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Only a gullible person would start comparing Japan's military power to the Chinese. Japan mainly relies on USA's presence in the region. So a war between China and Japan is actually a war between China and the U.S., and the U.S. won't risk any World War 3 scenarios until they draw Russia out of the game.
    And drawing Russia out of the game would be quite hard, considering Russian nuclear subs keep popping up randomly near the New York coast.

    Comment by Anonymous

    What about all those Polish submarines with screen doors...

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:10 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nothing that a few arms sales can't fix

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:38 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    "India has a more capable blue water navy..."

    Haha, that's a funny one!

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:16 18/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I smell a troll. To feed or not to feed, hmm...

    Comment by Dark Mage
    14:42 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    They have a working aircraft carrier and an indigenous one under construction.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:53 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    You mean the post WW2 rust bucket that was launched in '53 then transferred in '87 and over twice its initially estimated sailing life of 25 years?

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:52 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    And they are producing submarines. Although of Russian cold war design (Recall the Red October movie).

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:56 16/07/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Suddenly, every weeaboo here becomes an expert in military economics.









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