File Hosts Shut Down En Masse


Such major file hosting services as Filesonic and Fileserve have begun shutting down or crippling their services out of fear that they may end up following Megaupload’s management in being extradited to the US to face charges of facilitating copyright infringement on a grand scale.

Both Filesonic and Fileserve have changed their service so users can only download the files they uploaded, making their sites effectively useless – at least for the uses to which the vast majority of users put them.

Minor sites such as FileJungle and UploadStation have also followed suit, and several have even shut down entirely rather than risk US extradition. One service,, even went so far as to ban all US IPs from its site.

In addition, massive numbers of files and user accounts have apparently been deleted as part of efforts to clean up the services.

Scores of services are also cancelling their affiliate programs, in which they formerly offered money and rewards to top uploaders, presumably out of concern that such schemes are a major element of the Megaupload prosecutions.

The removal of key features has proven particularly galling to those users who were unwise enough to purchase premium accounts, as they have now been left with privilege of downloading only the files they take the trouble to upload at “unlimited speeds” with “no waiting.”

Other services are more confident, at least in public – RapidShare has been portraying itself as a legitimate file hosting service which respects copyright, rather than a mere source of direct downloads for pirates, calling itself “absolutely legal.”

As for Megaupload itself, its legal position appears very weak indeed – the indictment makes a slew of damaging allegations which look far from implausible, and the US government has apparently been carefully building a case against them for some time with the aid of an informant within their organisation.

The indictment includes internal company emails explicitly discussing how to give cash payments to users in order to encourage them to upload infringing material, and detailed accusations about how their file hashing system was used to exclude duplicated child pornography files but not duplicated pirated materials.

Although the “Safe Harbour” provisions of America’s “DMCA” law provide a fairly liberal set of protections for sites hosting content uploaded by users against being accused of abetting copyright infringement (allowing sites like YouTube to survive), most of them hinge on the site’s administrators taking action to remove files when requested and not encouraging or profiting from copyright infringement, which may prove to be Megaupload’s downfall.

However, rather than the collapse of commercial web-based file hosts causing users to give up their wicked downloading ways, it seems rather more likely they will merely shift back to the P2P and torrents they were using before the likes of Megaupload came along – presumably making things a little more inconvenient for downloaders is the objective of the exercise, as it seems unlikely to accomplish anything else.

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    Avatar of Dan Hibiki
    Comment by Dan Hibiki
    11:04 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Okay so let me get this straight. The government believes that the movie industry and music industry are hurting for cash? so much so that the'll disregard public opinion? Fuckin' politicians...

    Comment by Anonymous

    you are just a fossil .
    thats the reason.

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    Comment by Fapping Time
    10:33 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    revolution calling...

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:35 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    I'm tempted to learn chinese just so I could get all my stuff from their sites....And I'm sure they don't give a damn even if US starts whining to them about copyrights or anything. I'm sure they're like, "copyright? does that taste good?"

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:41 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Fucking corporate control.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:46 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Don't give them any ideas. If Disney can copyright a song written in the 18th century (Happy Birth Day), they can copyright sex.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:09 26/02/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Disney doesn't own the Happy Birthday song. Mildred J. Hill and Patty Smith hill from Kentucky do.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:37 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    America, once the greatest country in the world.
    Nowadays? I dubbed them the dumbest.

    Dumbfuckistan indeed

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:38 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Just when exactly is this "once"? Afik, "the greatest country in the world" is just what the US nationalists kept telling themselves when they were making movies about how they didn't totally get owned in Vietnam.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:36 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah, it's easy to get owned in a fight when your whore politicians make you fight with one hand tied behind your back and a blindfold on.

    If the US had put all of its military resources to full use during that war N.Vietnam would still be a crater you'd be trying to crawl out of.

    Try reading a little before opening your pie hole and I don't mean "The Peoples Daily".

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:25 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    This anon support anonymous. And will not mind if even Facebook is close down for a week if it meant bringing attention to the world.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:32 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    "Anonymous" doesn't help anyone. Besides, everyone already knows about SOPA and PIPA getting shut down, which all this has nothing to do with.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:43 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Orly? Both bills were about this very thing.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:39 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Well then what other ways to show how upset you are with your government? election votes even if that laws are approved? or doing a pacific protest? at least annonymous is giving the message...

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:42 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    They were, but SOPA and PIPA just made legal the bullshit the government already does, as proven by this. I personally have seen many sites shut down and seized for bullshit infringement they supposedly took part in.

    SOPA and PIPA just gave the government a bit more wiggle room, but them getting shut down is not going to stop this.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:42 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Yeah but we need another blackout to inform the people/idiot teens, this time for 2 - 2 1/2 days because of ACTA and PCFIPA.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:35 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I didn't mean have Anon hack the sites I mean't get all the groups/sites to help again by spread info about ACTA & PCFIPA by doing another blackout.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:30 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    That would be good but that's not Anonymous' style. They attack sites and shut them down, albeit temporarily. That is NOT how we or anyone should be handling this. Each attack from them only serves as another good excuse for sterner legislation. Especially if they go after government sites. When Megaupload got shut down I know there had to be many attacks by Anonymous and correct my if I'm wrong but doesn't that sound childish? Like they're favorite toy was taken away and now they throw a tantrum? They don't sound like people I'd want to support. In fact, I'd be more inclined to oppose them.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:41 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    But how will an involuntary blackout help anything? Unlike what happened on the 18th, it's just gonna piss people off. The sites are just gonna be blocked with a message about them being hacked, not about ACTA or PCFIPA.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:48 24/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    id be very happy if facebook died somehow, especially if its permanent, that'd be such a joyful moment in history for me, just imagine all those ppl qq'ing, bitching and ranting about how they cant live without facebook ...
    ah so fucking good XD

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:31 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    The destruction of myspace got us where we are now. I doubt getting rid of facebook is going to help.

    Comment by Busy
    12:52 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nobody would care for a long time, they all would just move to Google+ even if it is worse then FB.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:32 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    .... and this anon will not mind if facebook is closed down forever
    actually this anon will pay to shut down facebook .
    please ?

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:29 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    This anon thinks that Facebook isn't the problem. Even if it disappears overnight, another will stand to take it's place. This anon instead advocates compulsory reeducation for all willing FB users. Reeducation involving shock therapy.

    Comment by Anonymous

    anonymous is a bunch of script kiddies, who set their beds. and much like the wall street protesters, in a matters of months they'll be forgotten too.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:41 26/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    you are anonymous, a retarded one.

    Comment by Taylor
    10:41 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    I bet the mayans don't look so stupid now..

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:44 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    The Mayans were pretty clever to come up with such an accurate calendar. The same cannot be said for the people who think that the end of their calendar means anything significant.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:47 24/01/2012 # ! Drivel (-0.8)

    Because we can't watch our anime? Srsly?

    Comment by Anonymous

    NO WAI!!!!!!!!! ooops its a sarcasm owl!

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    Comment by Techeese
    10:22 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+0.8)

    Web Apocalypse came faster than the World it seems.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:51 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Well.. the freaks fear 2012 for some apocalypse~
    maybe it's not quite what they thought it is going to be~~ The Destruction of the web might happen with the complete collapse of All services when Hackers - Crackers - Trojan jockeys -ones within closed sites like the government, banks, SS by shear coincidence unleash they programs at the same time to Utterly CRASH EVERYTHING! It'll make the 2011 crashes look like nothing but experiments for the Big One...

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:53 24/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Sorry if repeat posts are unwelcome.

    Either its to distract attention from ACTA- Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement and PCFIPA- Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act. Both are meant to spy on everyones every action on the internet, they have the same function but ACTA is international, PCFIPA is only in the US and it claims to fight child porn in order to try to prevent people from opposing it, but it doesn't do just that (or prevent cp at all). They just want our info to use against us. Or perhaps something worse.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:52 24/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    The shit's about to hit the fan for sure, and we're looking at the beginning of the Internet's (or the "World Wide Web" if anyone still calls it that) equivalent of World War I.

    Big governments, corporations, businesses, banks, pharmacies, and other "Bigs" hate the internet with a passion (or are completely ignorant of it altogether), and have a voracious bloodlust to see it annhilated completely.

    One thing's for sure...Anonymous DEFINITELY isn't going to take this lying down.

    TO ARMS!

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:23 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Imagine this in a manga

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:19 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    i allways imagined that

    the shit hits the fan

    is a picture which i cannot post

    but should be something like:

    uniditifyable flying brown objects floating towards a watersprinkle.

    was allways a watersprinkle.

    no fan.

    cuz there are 2 types of fans.

    anime lovers and the wind somethings.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:18 24/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    CONGRATULATIONS!! Now I'll just buy more COUNTERFEIT goods off Canal Street and never replace any of them with legitimate copies.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:12 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    at least 1 happy anon ^^

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    Comment by Spigot
    11:51 24/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    All this will result in is a decentralization of piracy. It's just like when corporations banded together and destroyed Oink. There hasn't been a replacement since.

    I hope Rapidshit gets shut down next. Maybe people will finally stop uploading stuff in *shivers*

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    Comment by Stormwatch
    10:18 24/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    Make no mistake: the copyright tyrants will keep pushing for more and more control. The only way to stop them is to destroy their motor: all copyright laws must be abolished. It is time to realize that the very concept is immoral and flies in the face of human freedom.

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    12:34 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Think of all the lives that are lost because of drug patents. Those sick bastards even try to copyright parts of the human genome. Copyright is a slap in the face of humanity's collective right to enlightenment and health.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:52 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Oh yeah, the reason why several poor countries are waking up to all the backdoor FTA negotiation being done behind closed doors, away from public notice.

    In the end, they don't care about the human lives those medicines are supposed to be saving. To them, being poor means that you don't have the right to live. It's almost like a systematic genocide.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:54 25/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Case in point. I use an eyedrop called Lumigan which helps to control glaucoma. I don't have health insurance and the stuff costs me $110 US for a very small bottle every month.It was supposed to go generic in Sept 2012 but the greedy bastards at Allergan the company who makes it bought off some politician hacks and had the patent extended to Aug 20 2014!

    One of the side effect of the drug is it makes your eyelashes thicker and longer so one marketing weasels came up with the idea of selling it to women as an eyelash enhancer under the name Latisse at the same price!

    I stopped taking Lumigan a couple of months ago because I can no longer afford it. This is copyright protection in the US at it's finest! Feed the greed!

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:08 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    Think of all the lives which are lost or otherwise destroyed because big pharma is more interested in discovering therapeutic drugs instead of curing the underlying illness.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:01 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    in america there is nobody above the law... but apparently the rich ARE the law

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:35 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    yup, that 1% and with that you can say that americans has lost their freedom a long time ago...

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:52 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    Lost? You never had it. Just like everyone else.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:03 24/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Of course they had it. They bought freedom with blood in the war against the British crown. The USA was a country by and for the people at the time of it's founding.
    And their children turned right back and sold the country to a new privileged aristocracy. So much for democracy.

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    Comment by Spanish4dummies
    00:35 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Authoritarian control of goods and wealth came way before democratic ideals and freedom, my friend.

    Since the period of hunter/gatherers it was seen as way easier to take from others and pool efforts and goods within one's own select group. Management is needed and whoever is considered the "best" within the group based on whatever criteria, becomes the leader.

    The groupthink and leadership kept that group alive and better off than individuals and other, weaker groups. Those dynamics hold true today with not just companies but countries, sports teams, high schools, games, etc

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:57 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sweet dreams. The simple matter of the fact is that the rich and privileged have and will rule over the rest as they will. Representative democracy won't change that fact.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:48 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    yup were screwed right now pretty much i think its time i packed my bags and started to get outta america maybe england will take me in

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:13 24/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Indeed, especially since the automotive, movie & music industries, as well as the Chinese completely disregard it them selves.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:01 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    No, copyright laws to a degree must be changed. It's quite literally stifling creativity and innovation. Also, iF they don’t exist, they would also stifle creativity and innovation as well. The reason a lot of this began is because we're in the digital age. The "tyrants" believe for whatever reason that they're losing money through file-sharing despite the fact that there are studies that prove otherwise. Instead of trying work with the digital age, grow out of DVDs & blu-ray, move into a fair digital distribution system like Netflix has done, they've decided2 to simply beat it down with a stick.

    Where do you think SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, and the likes come from? Quite simply the same people who firmly believe they're losing money, lobbying (a.k.a. paying off people) to get laws passed so they can use law enforcement to do their bidding. In the process of their war against the digital age, they’re gradually buttfucking the internet while at the same time dragging their sack across creativity and innovation.

    Now that the other file-sharing services have bent over and spread their butt-cheeks in submission, they’re most likely going to target P2P file-sharing. The best way to attack that however is from bills like SOPA & PIPA. It may have been defeated for now, but sooner or later once things quiet down, they’ll try to stealth pass something like it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    18:13 24/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    "Also, iF they don’t exist, they would also stifle creativity and innovation as well."
    This is the reason why we didn't invent anything before we invented copyright in the 19th century, right?

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    Comment by Chen-04
    01:35 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Copyright was introduced in 1710 (18th century) in England and 1837 in Germany. There are studies which show that the bookmarket went downhill from there with writers earning and producing less and companies earning more.

    Mozart was making music without needing copyright. So was Händel. And Goethe managed to write without it. I wonder how those people managed to, y'know, not starve to death.

    Take a look at Katawa Shoujo for example.

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    Comment by Chen-04
    19:20 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, we've gotta admit that their indeed was a boom of inventions in the 19th and 20th century. Only... I don't believe those had anything to do with copyright.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:50 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Inventions are protected by patent law, which was introduced in the 15th century. What is being discussed here is *copyright* law, which was introduced in the *17th* century.

    Without copyright law, creators would have no protection. You want to bring up fan works, great. What was the last fan-made movie you saw that didn't suck?

    That being said, I think that laws such as SOPA, which grant the US the power to arrest someone from *another country*, are inherently broken. If the Yanks want to enforce a law like that, they'd better be ready for Sharia law enforcement in their own country. Bang your neighbour's wife, get your head chopped off...and hers. That's the road they're going down.

    Unfortunately, the only way for the Yanks to fix their government at this point is another armed revolution.

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:37 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I agree with you. Physical media format to me is just not worth it. They took physical space, harms the environment, and I think isn't profitable. The reason why physical media content is so expensive is because of the cost of making the physical media itself.

    Not to mention that the cost needed to buy the players. Also, contents itself is limited by the power of the player. Imagine what would happen if games weren't created with hardware limitations in mind like Crysis. Crysis weren't build and thus limited by console and it allowed the dev to go nuts.

    They should have just moved on to digital medium like you say, Netflix and Steam. Steam I know is quite successful.

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    Comment by Chen-04
    03:11 13/10/2013 # ! Neutral (0)

    To be fair, physical media (RAW) is pretty much worthless. A DVD/BD is what.. $0,20? And enough paper to fill a book... even less? (It's not the age of tapes anymore, where the raw physical media was actually worth something.)

    Where you save money is distribution and storage, now those two things eat a lot of money. Lots and lots of staff is suddenly not needed anymore. Also no need to pay for those big warehouses.

    Then again, they'd had to pay for servers. Though, I imagine them to be much cheaper. Well, servers ain't even really needed, when they can convince their customers to seed ;-) BakaBT convinced their users to seed, so that shouldn't be a problem.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:20 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Ahh Steam, the hellhole of slow DL speeds, mod-incompability and DLC.

    00:26 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    US copyright law needs to be rolled back to the 1831 or 1790 laws where they expired after a maximum of 14 years with the option of a 14 year renewal or 28 years with a optional 14 year renewal.
    This is plenty of time to make a good profit any more would be gold bricking.
    For example the author of Harry potter for example still would have became just as rich even under the 1790 law.
    Patents don't last as long a as copyright if I invent something I can only collect off that patent for 20 years after that the invention becomes public domain anyone can add to.
    I have no issues with this as technological advancement would grind to a halt if it had to deal with paying royalties on something 100 years old as R&D would be crushed under the weight of legal fees and startups would die before they even got a chance.
    Heck I think US patents can be reduced to 15 years as this is more then enough to time to profit on something.

    I think software should only be able to have a patent or copyright of only 7 years since it becomes outdated so quickly.

    It should be noted Disney made millions animating works that were already public domain.
    So they could not even have came into existence if today's screwed up copyright laws existed in 1930.

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    Comment by Dan Hibiki
    10:27 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    This makes 100% sense to me. Copyright laws are pretty much bullshit. "Instinctual property" laws especially.

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    Comment by Sacky
    11:35 24/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    Well, you need some form of protection. If there is no money to be made there is no reason to make movies / anime / games / books, anything, those people need to eat too. Even this site would suffer because the writer would have 0 protection, and he would likely have nothing to talk about either.

    Shutting down sites by threatening them or SOPA is going too far, but no copyright laws at all is going too far too, there needs to be a good middle ground.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:38 24/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.8)

    Some of the greatest art and literature man has ever created was made before the modern concept of intellectual property emerged in the 18th century.

    Let me explode the myth for you: IP law has NEVER actually been about making sure creators get paid, it has ALWAYS been about ensuring that PUBLISHERS can continue to reap unreasonable profits. Creators - in general, if not always individually - have never had a problem finding patrons; rather it's the publishing cabal which depends on government interference to sustain its business model. The publishers, not the creators (by and large), also happen to be the ones with friends in government. That was the case three hundred years ago, and its still the case now.

    If we've learned anything from the experience of the Internet, it ought to be that independent creators (such as webcomic artists, and people like the Angry Video Game Nerd, Nostalgia Critic, etc.), without the wherewithal of the giant publishing houses or studios, can still successfully make money on their work, even though they have no real hope of defending their copyright. The only ones being served by copyright are the giant corporations that can actually afford to enforce it. Those same giant corporations are the ones paying the artists a pittance despite charging excessive prices for an often mediocre product, and funneling the majority of the profits to fat-cat executives and shareholders. The world would not be a worse place for losing the big publishers and studios.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:42 24/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    You mean like how Shakespeare didn't make any money? From the plays he wrote? Oh wait...

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:17 24/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    "If there is no money to be made there is no reason to make movies / anime / games / books, anything"

    The hundreds of thousands of fan made works released in japan alone scoff at your bullshit argument.

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    Comment by Chen-04
    19:05 24/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.4)

    Creators have a drive to create. Even if they don't make any money. Just go back before copyright was invented. If you do a little research you will see that copyright actually hurts creators. It's only use is for companies to charge people more, while giving creators less.

    Think about it. Without copyright people can just use characters from popular franchises and make porn with them!! There even could be a Touhou-anime.

    Besides, with the power of the internet, the power of information... do you still think there would be an audience for bootlegs, if you can just download it for free and then pay the creator directly?

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:37 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    there is protection in life.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:10 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    If they don't want piracy in anime, just licence anime overseas already, and don't give me that puritan crap, "that aniome is too controversial"

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    Comment by Chen-04
    00:49 27/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I ain't saying "knowledge for knowledge's sake", though I like the idea very much. I'm going with Darwin for this conversation. If you're not cut out to survive just die. Makes the general race stronger, because the weak (or old) won't reproduce when they are dead.

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    Comment by Chen-04
    03:38 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    "you are going to be crying when many of the things you enjoy start to go away."

    If you're going to put it that way... just stop making all that stuff. I can live with that. I don't even know what I'm missing if it's never made, so why would I care? For games... maybe there won't be a Resident Evil 14 or a Zelda 21. Yeah, I don't care for games. Maybe Berserk never finishes or Kodomo no Jikan ends midway. Whatever. Perhaps Meitantei Conan won't ever come to a conclusion and all hope for To Aru something sequel is lost. Big. Fucking. Deal.

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    Comment by Spanish4dummies
    00:28 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sometimes it's a matter of not having the means to produce or distribute one's own product to the audience. Companies charge for their service to produce, say, a game, that is, the use of the machinery and computers and boxing apparatuses, etc.

    Advertising and driving up demand is also a big part, which can and often does lead to the skewing the say, "artistic" integrity of the artist/creator's original purpose/imagining of their creation, in order to grab and sell to the widest possible audience/market.

    The company then claims money for organizing all of this work and rationalizes the larger percentage of revenue than the creator themselves, because of the innumerable costs of the entire production line. Control is needed to maximize the revenue stream by making the product unique and their sanctioned sources of purchase as the only means of gaining access to their show or game or what have you.

    So really, a creator may not have the need to for money, say, they have the drive to give their creation to the world, but not have the means to do so. The costs of time and labor can be too great which makes a game like Katawa Shoujo quite an intriguing existence because of its quality to cost (free) to labor ratio.

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    Comment by matt
    13:20 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    "If there is no money to be made there is no reason to make movies / anime / games / books, anything"

    people enjoy entertainment, and they will pay money for good entertainment. there is always a market don't bullshit a bullshitter.

    along the note of "there needs to be a good middle ground." that is only agreeable, if you remove all these laws, then there will be more issues that are probably unforeseen.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:32 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    If a product is good, people will buy it, its as easy as that.

    You cant sell? Well not the fault of pirates, but of your product, no one is going to buy a dvd that costs a dollar a dozen in cheap case for 50 dollar a piece. As far as games are concerned, they were in the need of more love for a long time, put them in a nice box, add a few prints or other goodies and people will buy it even if you can get it for free on the net.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:48 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    @Anon (13:32)


    It's what the fansub community has been saying (and doing) for years. It's not fansubs that are killing anime in the U.S., either: it's the greed of the Japanese studio executives (in fairness to the much-maligned domestic distributors, it's very hard for them to make their product appealing in the U.S. market while burdened by current license costs).

    I would add that people are far more willing to pay good money when they know the creator is actually seeing his or her fair share of it, rather than having most of the profit siphoned off by some other party.

    Comment by Anonymous

    No copyright at all? Then what incentive is their to spine millions of dollars and hours creating new vaccines and medicine for obscure and commnon diseases or just general research. Shit ain't cheap. And before you say knowledge for knowledge's sake, that doesn't pay bills or motivate the majority of humanity.

    Comment by Anonymous

    To put this in the fairest words I can put it in, the entire idea of creation comes with spare time outside of the work society gave you for the day (if you even have a job of course, otherwise it's quite a gamble). Sure there are many that hope to make a profit on their ideas, but to some it's just simply knowing that their work is appreciated.

    ZUN hardly put any form of copyright on his games and their characters so fans can have the freedom to create derivative works and have fun sharing it around. But as the creator he wants people to at least know it's roots. Knowing what anime tends to do to noobs and the obscurity of the games themselves, it would cause a division that would ultimately cripple the fandom. Note the ratio of people that don't even know of the games, add an anime and and we get more than further obscurity of THE original works, but images of the characters being solidified by the mass of idiots that didn't know of the fandom before would overshadow the fun of Touhou's ambiguity.

    Copyright is more than just companies getting the extra buck off the creators and fans in exchange for making their product known, but also so the creator can place a solid flag on the hill he found and has the say of how he wants his hill to look like.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Bullshit. Before copyright was invented, copying was difficult. The cost in time associated with duplicating a work meant that the value of the original was not degraded. The advent of copyright occurred when duplication became easy for third parties.

    Creators have a drive to create. They also have a drive to eat. If you undermine creation as a valid career, you are going to be crying when many of the things you enjoy start to go away.

    And copyright is not trademark. Learn the difference and apply it to your arguments.

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    Comment by Octopi

    you are simply stupid, creators need to put food in their table, and you wishful thinking is nthing but that.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Japan is irrelevant for these purposes. Fan made works are rarely finished in america, because of the cost and little reward that comes from it.

    The point is, if everyone can get everything for free, nobody will pay- or pay ENOUGH- for it. Some people might, sure... but most wont. Also with no copyright law... companies could freely and legally steal from each other as long as it was only intellectual property they stole. You want US to become the new China? Bootlegs of everything? Stealing everything and trying to make money off of others work?

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    Comment by Dan Hibiki

    No! american politics has no middle ground!

    Comment by Ryuhouji
    15:16 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    i think you meant intellectual property.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:22 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    No he meant "instinctual property." This is when a wolf urinates on the borders of a given piece of land, to signal the other wolf packs that the land is his property.

    It's an instinct.

    Comment by Anonymous

    you do know that we developers of entertainment such as a computer game maker like myself wants to eat too.

    Seriously, I think that this war against copyright laws is stupid but I can also say that those guys who want to abolish copyrights have no idea what will happen if said law is abolished. Entertainment developers have the right to be paid on what they have created.

    All I can say is moderation, yes pirate the work but after you played it, pay for the original or a donation is good afterwards.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:15 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think that if the founder of megaupload broke the law by making a profit, why do we also have to pay for what he did, I mean, many of us did download stuff because the chances of it being available in our countries were slim. And besides, If I ever downloaded something already available in my country, all I did was download it as a means of previewing stuff before I went out to buy it; plus, downloading ongoing anime is the same as watching it on tv, you watchet to later buy it when released

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:28 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    "All I can say is moderation, yes pirate the work but after you played it, pay for the original or a donation is good afterwards."

    But isn't that openly disregarding copyright laws? Not that I disagree, but I fail to understand why you would argue in favour of keeping the laws in place, then go on to say that they should be ignored.

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    Comment by Seravy
    01:49 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I agree. Copyright laws are evil. They need to be abolished. I believe it is better for everyone to keep information free, the way it naturally is, and yes, that includes authors. How many times did you see anime or games where you thought "yeah, this could have been a lot better, but they wanted the profits, so the quality had to suffer to release it fast enough"? We don't need them. We need creations of high quality, where people making them are committed to the work itself, and not to the profit they can get from it.

    By the way, there is a new religion about the freedom of information :

    I hope they'll get large enough to actually be able to fight against copyright laws.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:30 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    That's what everyone in the anime fandom says, but as soon as some sub group copies another group's subs, people flip their shit and call it theft. You can't have it both ways.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:10 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Your premise is false. Copyright is one solution to attribution, not the only possible solution. Just because one is against copyright does not mean they are against attribution or rewarding the creators.

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    Comment by Allanx
    12:25 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I agree with the idea of abolishing copyright altogether. Information's greatest strength is in its abundance, and when you make it artificially scarce for monetary gain, you're neutering its potential.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:42 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Hmmmmyeah no.

    Copyright needs to be modified, not abolished. It needs to be adapted to modern times, it needs to fulfill its original intention, which is not to fatten companies' pockets, but to reward artists for their hard work.

    Something you seem to not give a shit about. You must be one of those people who scoff at the mere thought of an artist charging money for a drawing, a story, etc.

    You don't care about human freedom, you just want to download games to your heart's content without paying for them. You don't work in game development, or anything like that. You probably work at a burger joint and think you're more entitled to being paid than an artist. Think again.

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:35 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    i made mistakes. now take me with you.

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    Comment by Castian
    10:28 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    USA's Capitalism be abolished? even if its the same US goverment feeding it? Seems legit...

    The only way i see to work things out, it's No-profit upload services or Torrents.
    For the "problem" to dissappear? nah! it will never.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:28 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    That is a stupid idea. You really think people are going to pay money to host downloads for no profit just so you can get something for free?

    Comment by Anonymous
    14:19 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    the mistakes are done. get it done.

    Comment by Anonymous

    The only reason new movies, anime or any type of media or artwork exists is due to copyright laws. If producers make a new anime and are unable to make exclusive profits off it, why in the world would they make it in the first place? Be thankful that we have copyright laws so that we can constantly watch new anime every season. Don't be a retard and just join the latest bandwagon. Trust me, policy setters and governments are smarter than you. They do things for a reason beyond your comprehension and that is why they run the country, not you.

    Comment by Anonymous

    God you're stupid. Copyright laws prevent jackasses like those at megaupload from making money off of things that isn't their's or have permission to use. It's called stealing so if you wanna get rid of copyright laws might as wells make theft legal.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:06 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's called copyright infringement.

    Comment by Anonymous

    Taking away copyright laws would be even more of a disaster...

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    Comment by Dan Hibiki
    10:59 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    care to explain?

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    Comment by Dan Hibiki
    11:45 24/01/2012 # ! Quality (+1.0)

    @anon 11:39

    there are too many people so instead of listening to the thousands in the streets it's better to listen to the old guy who can't even check his e-mail?

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    Comment by PirateKing
    11:26 24/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.7)

    How would I feel if someone use it ?

    I'd feel honoured!

    I develop games and apps for a living (iOS and Android) and I see plenty of illegal copies of them floating around and you know what ? I don't give a damn.

    I make enough money to live comfortably and there is no need to be greedy. Nobody has a right to get rich of that stuff and if I someday don't make enough money anymore I just get back to my old 9 to 5 job. I think the f'up singers out there should just stfu and do the same. They have no right to get millions for a stupid song but should enjoy the ride while it lasts...

    PS: And oh yeah, I copy all I want to and even buy it anyway if its good. That is unless they are a bunch of downloader-suing bitches that want to jew peeps out of their really hard earned money...

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:13 24/01/2012 # ! Good (+0.5)

    how would you feel if like when you made an important thesis, song or anything and your bestfriend or other ppl use it? what will be your reaction? beat them? and other ppl that steal will always steal other ppls ideas. that's why there the govt made those shitty laws to prevent ppl from getting carried away. o.O

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:23 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    'Big companies don't function like that. '

    Yet another reason why big companies suck.

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    Comment by fxc2
    17:11 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    "I develop games and apps for a living (iOS and Android) and I see plenty of illegal copies of them floating around and you know what ? I don't give a damn."

    Big companies don't function like that. The actual creators are funded by investors who have no idea what is being created, for what purpose and how it works, just that there's profit to be made. Then they form commitees and companies that share this exact mindset and all they do is ask the creators "Well what are you going to do about this and this loss?" If they reply "Nothing at all" the funds are withdrawn and invested somewhere else.

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    Comment by Dan Hibiki
    11:20 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.1)

    see as far as using something, I have no problem. but I hate when people claim something is theirs when it's not. If I was a famous singer or something like that and a company wanted to use my song in a commercial, I'd be perfectly fine with it they don't have to say anything to me.

    My biggest issue here is that the government needs to learn to listen to the people and not the dozen or so entertainment execs with the deep pockets.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:34 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    So true.

    I had investors when I started out and always got the same old shit about how I should do things to maximize profits for them. In the end I paid them all out, took control of my company and went from making a few hundred thousand every year to globally expanding my company within 3 years to the point I could sell it and more then comfortably retire at 25 for the rest of my life.

    The old generation how no idea how to use technology to their advantage, both to propel a business and its profits.

    The old generation hate technology and more importantly the internet because it's a fair playing field that they can't manipulate or control.

    If they had their way people like me would have been crushed during start-up.

    Heck I'm one of the few businessmen in new zealand that stood against our copyright laws that were introduced.

    I know how it happened and it's all because of a collaboration of movies companies which made a power play to make a example of our little country.

    Unfortunately it's one that has yet to work at all like everything they do we or someone else circumvent it before its even launched because that's how technology and the internet work...

    Put a wall in-front of someone on the internet and they have two choices, stop and don't proceed or walk around it an never see it again.

    Comment by Anonymous
    17:24 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well, I'm not about to create an important thesis just to stick it into some drawer for all eternity. if I made it, I made it to be useful in some form. What I would not like is if I didn't get compensated for my hard work.

    But, there is an important distinction which you fail to account for here. You do NOT need is to create artificial scarcity (copyright in essence) for your creative work in order for that to happen.

    What we need is a system which rewards inventors and is fair to the public, rather than rewarding the inventor's rich patrons and damaging the public.

    The free market was not designed to work with unlimited supply. It doesn't even make sense under such circumstances. You can't package information into a box and sell it.
    Of course copyright isn't going to work. It should have been obvious from the start.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:36 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    but the problem is that not all ppl want that o.O especially those greedy companies ....

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:39 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    If the old guy has 20 million on his bank account and supports the presidents election ... of course you d listen to him instead of the public.

    Biggest problem being, the "pirates" are "selfish", they keep their money instead of "investing" it in the "good of the people". Meaning, there are private jets, hookers and pleasure trips to hawai sponsored by the Riaa for politicians, but not by megaupload.

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    Comment by HouseLife
    16:08 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    @ Dan 11:45

    Honestly? Yes. So what if he can't check his e-mail? Is that your chosen words to describe 'eeeevil politicians'? What does someone's technological ability mean exactly when you are taking peoples' work? This isn't about SOPA or any of that shit, this is a fundamental concept of exchange of goods and services. Do you draw? Do you write? Do you create anything in your life at all?

    If you don't, then you don't know shit about what you are talking about. If you do, then you have obviously lost perspective or have never done anything successful enough to make any money.

    Seriously, these filesites were for thieves. We were all stealing shit. Can you honestly deny that? And none of that horseshit trying to define thievery as 'oh, digital things aren't theft because it's not actually taking stuff because blah blah blah I don't want to pay.'

    I used them too, I don't deny it, but I also cannot deny that them being smacked down like this kind of needed to happen. Filesharing won't stop, but these people were making money off of people taking other peoples' products and uploading them and not giving anything back to the creators. As a creator, yeah, I say fuck them. I used the sites too, but now that they're gone? Life goes on. God forbid I have to save up a bit to get some more of the shit I want. Which... oh yeah, was what I was doing in the first place because I actually grew up before this shit happened and still have some perspective.

    Comment by Anonymous

    "govenment needs to learn to listen to the people"?......well the problems is....there's too many freakin people.

    Comment by Anonymous

    copyright laws are kind of important dumbfuck, everyone has to be a moron to think like you

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:44 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Cute. I hope you are trolling.

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    Comment by Chen-04
    01:26 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Last time I checked people striked if they were starving, while the companies earned lots of money. But that's not the point.

    The misconception is that you only earn money because of copyright. That's not the case. Pirates are everywhere. Companies already pretty much lost control over distribution. But there are still people paying for the official products. I assure you that this isn't because they can't get it elsewhere for free.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:09 25/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Entertainment developers like me needs to eat too, we need the money that you have in order for us to develop entertainment products that can entertain you. If we do not have the copyrights for the entertainment products that we develop then we have little control on who publishes or distribute the product.

    In short the money that we deserve(because we created the entertainment product in the first place) are being passed to people who have just got it with no work.

    In turn we entertainment developers receive low pay and we starve and well you know the rest.

    Yes we want to eat, to have spending money and to sleep under a roof. We are happy that you guys are happy but in turn, a little investment given to us is enough to keep us producing more stuff for all of us to enjoy.

    Comment by Anonymous
    11:39 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Without copyright law, everything you love would go away because it would no longer be profitable to make and sell it. No copyright law means nobody has a reason to buy anything anymore if piracy is legal.
    Anime would not be imported legally AT ALL. You can say goodbye to japanese games coming to US shores ever. The US will become completely devoid of media that isn't supported heavily by advertising. Copyright laws, intellectual property laws, they're what allow people to make money. They allow people to own concepts, shows, movies. They're what says "Fox owns this movie" and what allows them to sell it for profit, which pays the actors, writers, etc. If nobody is getting paid, then nothing will get done except shitty indie films made by kids for their senior college class.

    Intellectual property means artists will all but stop completely, commissions will disappear since nobody can claim anything as legally theirs to protect their work...

    The situation sucks but this would not fix it, it'd just make it way way worse.

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    Comment by HouseLife
    15:56 24/01/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'll explain. You seem to talk about copyright as if it's only for digital. The truth is we're all becoming spoiled brats. We will say it's our right to have this stuff for free and share it as if it's some kind of given, when it's not. We're all thieves regardless of how many words you want to mince about what theft is defined as.

    So they make millions on the movies. Would it somehow be more "just" if they only made thousands and could barely survive? Somehow struggling for survival when creating a creative entity makes them more special than the multi-millionaires?

    No, that's stupid and to say otherwise makes one stupid. This is how capitalism functions. Good products are supposed to make good money when you want it. Bad products make less. If you enjoyed a movie, you pay a bit so you contribute to the countless people who worked on it. You know, those credits everyone waits through to see if anything is after them? There are thousands of people there, all of whom earn a salary, most of whom deserve it and more.

    Do you have a character you love? A character you've created and would love to see a game exist of them? What if you designed a movie, show or game with that character and it was your masterpiece, and you started making it, and someone else took the character because they liked it and made something you couldn't possibly make alone with a team of people? And when you showed proof that you made it, they go 'so?" That's copyright that protects you from that happening. Just because big businesses have lawyers and actually understand it while you don't doesn't make them evil.

    The truth is we've become spoiled. We paid for our shit 20 years ago, and yes, the stuff you consider shit is entertainment to others, and those creators deserve payment for those who enjoy it just as much as the ones you think are great. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean that it's bad, it just means you are one of the demographics that doesn't like it. There are all types of people with all types of backgrounds.

    This shit exists so that everyone, from the smallest, brokest creator up to the richest man in the world can have an equal shot at their creations granting them success.

    These filesharing hosts were for thieves. Plain and simple. We all used them, but the amount people are defending our theft means most of us have lost track of how full of shit the internet community has become.

    Downvote me all you want, that doesn't change that it's the truth. Everything is just an excuse as to why most of us are too spoiled to pay for the shit we like. How many things have we seen without paying our 'hard earned' money for their hard work that earned the money just as much?

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