File Hosts Shut Down En Masse


Such major file hosting services as Filesonic and Fileserve have begun shutting down or crippling their services out of fear that they may end up following Megaupload’s management in being extradited to the US to face charges of facilitating copyright infringement on a grand scale.

Both Filesonic and Fileserve have changed their service so users can only download the files they uploaded, making their sites effectively useless – at least for the uses to which the vast majority of users put them.

Minor sites such as FileJungle and UploadStation have also followed suit, and several have even shut down entirely rather than risk US extradition. One service,, even went so far as to ban all US IPs from its site.

In addition, massive numbers of files and user accounts have apparently been deleted as part of efforts to clean up the services.

Scores of services are also cancelling their affiliate programs, in which they formerly offered money and rewards to top uploaders, presumably out of concern that such schemes are a major element of the Megaupload prosecutions.

The removal of key features has proven particularly galling to those users who were unwise enough to purchase premium accounts, as they have now been left with privilege of downloading only the files they take the trouble to upload at “unlimited speeds” with “no waiting.”

Other services are more confident, at least in public – RapidShare has been portraying itself as a legitimate file hosting service which respects copyright, rather than a mere source of direct downloads for pirates, calling itself “absolutely legal.”

As for Megaupload itself, its legal position appears very weak indeed – the indictment makes a slew of damaging allegations which look far from implausible, and the US government has apparently been carefully building a case against them for some time with the aid of an informant within their organisation.

The indictment includes internal company emails explicitly discussing how to give cash payments to users in order to encourage them to upload infringing material, and detailed accusations about how their file hashing system was used to exclude duplicated child pornography files but not duplicated pirated materials.

Although the “Safe Harbour” provisions of America’s “DMCA” law provide a fairly liberal set of protections for sites hosting content uploaded by users against being accused of abetting copyright infringement (allowing sites like YouTube to survive), most of them hinge on the site’s administrators taking action to remove files when requested and not encouraging or profiting from copyright infringement, which may prove to be Megaupload’s downfall.

However, rather than the collapse of commercial web-based file hosts causing users to give up their wicked downloading ways, it seems rather more likely they will merely shift back to the P2P and torrents they were using before the likes of Megaupload came along – presumably making things a little more inconvenient for downloaders is the objective of the exercise, as it seems unlikely to accomplish anything else.

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  • The best way for Japanese studios to combat piracy is to increase the ease of legal distribution, both internationally and locally. Shonen Jump is ditching the monthly paperback format in the US and is starting up a weekly digital format. This is a step in the right direction.

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  • If this keeps up, in a few weeks or months the internet will die with everyone be able to only download their own files making hosting webs completely useless, why would i want to download something i uploaded my self?? i can easily transport archives in pendrives or external hardware…
    If this does not stop we will enter in WORLD WAR 3

  • america has issues to deal with and they’re only making it worse. i suspect APPLE is behind this. iTunes takes some losses due to the file hosting and this only occurred co conveniently after establishing foothold

  • Hollywood, labels and other walking corpses do not seek to attack megaupload (they could ship it whenever they wanted as demonstrated, “justice” works as it is now) look fecebook attack, twitter, ebay, amazon, Stean GOOGLE ….. … because they know how to do business online and they do not, so simple, but can not lash out at them because they are perfectly legal.

    younger wolves take control and become even old hand, or made the cocks and die natural law.

    PD: were copyright and would have to remain a shield to the author, not a bayonet and threatening to steal the client.

    PD2: If Hollywood and record companies “die” that no longer worry that others will take his place, which are better or worse ……….

  • Already switched to online cloud storage sites. Make a private cloud with only certain people to access it and anime trading is free. If it is not public, theoretically it can’t be caught as easily. Problem is that newer shows are harder to find.

    American anime has always been pirate based. If I must go back to the pre internet pirating methods, I will.

  • Hello,

    Can someone tell me how libraries work?

    I’m confused about why libraries can share media, but we can’t.

    Do they have to pay the copyright owner for each time the book, audio, video was loaned?

    And are they breaking the law by letting you read, watch, listen to copyrighted media whilst there?

    Do I have to send someone some cash if my wife reads a manga I purchased?


    • @ Anon 3:31

      Because Libraries are government based. The reason you can’t share media, because you are “NOT” a non-profit organization or a business (Both that requires a license…I think it is called a vender license that you pay to your government in either country)

      Again Libraries are not breaking the law, they are licensed to let you rent books, video & documents. I’m not sure what country you are from, but we don’t pay to rent out books in a library. Videos on the other hand is a different matter, there is some fee but not much.

      P.S. I highly doubt you are an Adult either if you’re asking these type of questions.

      • Why is this a “non-adult” question?
        I majored in mechanical engineering; how would I know the management of libraries?
        How much do you know about carbon fibre composite matrices?

        “Do I have to send someone some cash if my wife reads a manga I purchased?”

        Was a bit “tongue in cheek” sarcasm.

        All I knew is I could borrow a book without buying it.

    • Libraries pay a higher price for books and they have a limit to how many times they can loan them before they have to pay again. They also buy multiple copies to handle higher volume of requests for popular works. This is also true for Kindle books.

      They have exemptions to copyright laws to allow you to read works while there. As for your wife, copyright works on a per household basis, meaning that buying a book (or video/audio) will bring it into your house and the general logic is that if your wife is reading it, you cannot also be doing so simultaneously so it’s no violation for her to read your stuff and vice versa.

      BTW, if you’d have cared to read up on copyright and libraries you’d know that even before the internet, the media companies have always hated libraries and have fought against them. Libraries threaten the end game for media creators….which is of course not to sell you their works, but to make you pay EVERY TIME YOU USE THEM.

  • So where in the wide wide world of Equestria is SOPA or PIPA needed as a result of this mess?

    Megaupload was taken down, and all the other share sites are on the run and crippled, probably off to start attending Yamaku at this point.

    Tell me, US Congress, how SOPA and PIPA was instrumental at all in the protection against pirates?


  • Can some1 explain me cause i cant really understand, all these sites do they have their servers on the us or some place else ?
    If its not on the us, should the usa really meddle in them ? even if there are some copyright infrigments, wich no1 really cared about untill recently, just seems like the usa is abuzing some of the laws ? for example arresting the megaupload guy wich didn’t even lived nor was a citizen on the usa. Just because there were a few copyright files on the website, wich didn’t only come from the usa for sure, does that really give them the right to do what they are doing ?
    Am i missing something or is this is a complete abuze of the usa towards the rest of the world ?

    • Well, the guy was from Germany…He owned Megaupload in China, but the servers were from U.S.A. and he lived in New Zealand. I mean come on guys, let’s be real here…did everyone seriously went to Megaupload to look at personal videos? Or were you guys really using Megaupload to look at Anime. If you look at Anime on the Megaupload player. Then the owner of Megaupload is guilty for not managing that site. He was irresponsible and for every video you watched on Megaupload/Megaporn and profited from the advertisements for every video you watched.

      For Example: Fairy Tail Episode 113. How many people watched this episode? 50,000 People. Now let’s do some multiplication. Let’s say he made 10 cents per view for Fairy Tail Episode 113. That’s $5000 he made on that episode alone. The owner of Fairy Tail will never see that money, it goes right into the owner of Megaupload. Now think about this, how many episodes are there in Fairy Tail? 113 Episodes. More multiplication, 113 episodes times $5000 will equal to $565,000.

      Oh yeah, he is super guilty.

      • Thats not as much as you make it sound. The worst estimate for the yearly revenue of megaupload is about 30 million usd.

        That sounds like much, but actually, its a paltry, if you take into account how many visitors megaupload had on a daily basis and it was on the decline too, thanks to increasing competition. Basically, megaupload was about to croak on its own, in a few more years. Though of course, initially they were able to earn much more, thanks to the lack of competition.

        Besides, its not like every view or download of a pirated video/song/piece of software is a loss for the creator, most people would neither have bought nor viewed it, if it wasnt avaible for free anyways. Never mind those buying the premium dvd box after having watched a pirated copy, those wouldnt even have heard of it, if it didnt get spread that way. In addition, the creatives wouldnt have gotten that money anyways, since those poor slobs get pretty much scammed by their companies.

        All in all, there is no evidence that piracy actually harms the industry. At best, its +/- 0. Want evidence? Ask the music industry if they are raking in the dough now, there is not even a hint of an increase in their sales.

  • Not trying to be an asshole or anything but i’m happy to see them burn, i have always despised anyone making money off piracy and arguing that these guys mostly hosts legal files is just silly, we both know that ain’t true, filesharing should be free, no exceptions, illegal or not.

    I liked Mediafire due to their decent free service but they still charged for premium so i’m not really sad.

  • yippie piracy is almost to it’s end….in America… meaning really NOTHING more than getting a proxy server, and DL it other ways… I am for copyright, since I understand the basis of it… But I also feel that the industry also does not understand how to utilize the internet to make profit -or at least beat out it’s pirate rivals.

    seriously, this does not make games/anime come faster to the western world. We might as well close our doors to international trade, and live on either side of the “Berlin” -if you catch my drift… Even then, I bet someone will Mugen Punch out the wall…

  • Thank god I waited until subscribing to a new file hoster. Wanted to go to filesonic and would have paid for a lifetime or at least a year.
    Well now I have to wait and see which ones wont chicken out. Rapidshare seems to be good but it lost a lot support in the last years, because it is fast in deleting copyrighted material. Filesonic and Fileserve are out of the game forever, noone will trust them anymore.

  • how the hell are torrents inconvient? I can start a download, Then use my computer as normal. If it takes a week, I don’t have to leave my computer on the whole time. I can shut down, restart. Even close the P2P program. If I download a 600MB file from MegaUpload and it takes hours and say my computer crashed, Power went out, etc etc. Oh no, I have start over. Thats more inconvient to me.

  • Lets rename the internet into super web, setup a disclaimer that says “By use of this service, you relinquish all rights on your intellectual property”, add complete anonymity for the users and there, our shangri la would be back, much like the net was in the past.

    Actually … you could make billions if you create a complete anonymous service similiar to the net that uses it infrastructure and resources while fixing all the problems we have at the moment. For example complete anonymity for the user, instead of the ip madness we got now, pretty much anyone can get your name and address if he puts his mind to it. An internet user has much less rights and protection, than someone using a telephone has, people tapping your line all over the place, sueing you over private conversations, and getting your name and address by just being connected to the system.

    Btw. this idea comes free of charge, anyone that is able to, may improve and use it. Actually, I beg of you, please make use of it.

    Thoughts are free and you cant put a price tag on ideas.

    • Already done. Bit-networks and Darknets using BitCoins as currency. and can resolve their networks using services like OpenDNS

      There is a large group of people making a Bit-Net that will operate completely outside of ICANN. And thus, In theory, Be impossible to touch.

      • Not exactly what I had in mind, since its based on “invites” and not easy and idiot proof.

        I was rather thinking about an easy and simple solution to the whole legal mumbo jumbo, by either adding complete anonymity to the web as it is now[Or the same protection people using a telephone have], or by a completly ridiculous disclaimer that would forbid anyone that wants to sue over copyright infringement to use it. Of course its pretty ridiculous if you use common sense, but well, all those copyright infrigement and piracy lawsuits are well beyond common sense either.

        Lets call it Piratenet. We just need to move google and facebook over there and thats it, internet as it is would be dead and everyone would use the alternative.

        Btw. Freenet looks nice.

  • found out about a day ago sadly


    ALL Sharing disabled. Closed affiliate program. Deleting files and accounts.

    ALL Sharing disabled. Closed affiliate program. Deleting files and accounts.

    (Owned by FileServe) Deleting multiple files. Testing out blocking some USA IP addresses.

    (Owned by FileServe) Deleting multiple files. Testing out blocking some USA IP addresses.

    Closed affiliate program.

    Banned USA IP addresses.

    Started suspending accounts with infringing material (doing what Hotfile did)

    Closed affiliate program.

    Deleting multiple files.

    Thankyou America”

    also, uploadstation & a few others are down as well and only a handful of sites didnt pull out

    • As well as the sons of a bitch from metallica and rappers, will have more money to rub in the face of everyone and posing of billionaires!!

      An excuse of the high prices of games is piracy ..!! I doubt that after that will lower prices!!

      The United States live part of the world in a bubble and that its people that fight for their rights alone!!

      • Piracy isnt really why games are so expensive these days. Its just that games these days takes way longer to develop than before and need more people to pay their salery and so on=more expensive.

  • This world is going to change in a wrong way! Things change for bad. First signal was Ishihara and his stupid censorship in Japan, now we have American goverment ruining even worse the thing. This world is covered with diarrea bullshit and there’s no sign for a fix. Fuck it! this is the END.

  • What the hell is wrong with the other file hosting sites? IDIOTS it specifically sated Megaupload was targetted because when a request for a copyright file to be deleted they did not really delete it! If the other sites have been doing this than they have nothing to fear there as they are acting within the law something is uploaded that is not than informed of it they deleted it removed it immediately! So now they have just slit their own throats and nobody will join them.. what IDIOTS!

  • Calm down, kids.

    The world is not going to self-destruct because of this.

    What you’re seeing is one set of rich assholes (RIAA/MPAA and its paid enforcers) fighting a different set of rich assholes (MU owners).

    Did’ja look at the indictment? (I’ve copied it here for your convenience:)

    The government postures and stacks everything in their favor, but still, MU owners look guilty, guilty, guilty.

    While the loss of MU (and the turtle-head/feet/and-tail-retracting actions of other file sites) will be an annoyance to myself and others, somehow, life will go on.

    People do adapt, y’know?

  • Americans are mere criminals. Nothing more. 100% scum.

    PayPal made money off megaupload until the very end. Even though it probably took only one single call to suspend wikileaks.
    So how is it possible that PayPal would make money out of megaupload for such a long timespan, without interference from Washington, and on top of that never will be charged with anything.

    The official line is, that the damage was at least in the Billions. No matter how believable that is, it still stinks that they would not just deattach one of his most important lines to him.

    And I guess PayPal will just ‘freeze’ and keep that money remaining.

  • The shit’s about to hit the fan for sure, and we’re looking at the beginning of the Internet’s (or the “World Wide Web” if anyone still calls it that) equivalent of World War I.

    Big governments, corporations, businesses, banks, pharmacies, and other “Bigs” hate the internet with a passion (or are completely ignorant of it altogether), and have a voracious bloodlust to see it annhilated completely.

    One thing’s for sure…Anonymous DEFINITELY isn’t going to take this lying down.

    TO ARMS!

  • All this will result in is a decentralization of piracy. It’s just like when corporations banded together and destroyed Oink. There hasn’t been a replacement since.

    I hope Rapidshit gets shut down next. Maybe people will finally stop uploading stuff in *shivers*…parts.

  • I read today that Frank Wuterich got a 3 month sentence, after his Unit butchered a village and killed 24 people, including woman and children.
    Kim Schmitz would face a lifetime sentence.

    And PayPal used to make money off him and megaupload until the very end. Though no one at paypal will ever face a trial either.
    Not to say that even the creator of minecraft had his PayPal account suspended for a while.
    So what kind of a deal did they had? Why could PayPal be invested in this for so long, without them getting in trouble?

  • “Both Filesonic and Fileserve have changed their service so users can only download the files they uploaded,”
    I suspect the reason they did it like that is so users can’t demand their money back since technically the site is still running.

    • I can see it. You’ll pay a monthly subscription for a smart phone or tablet which can only install/run apps from the vendors app store. Instead of a browser, access to the 10-15 websites will have to be purchased through the app store and each site will show up as an icon on the device main menu. Failure to pay your monthly bill will completely brick the device until you pay a reactivation penalty fee and buy a new activation code. Watching YouTube or similar streaming video will be done by micro payments.

      The scariest part is I didn’t just pull the above statement out of my ass. Several tech companies are racing each other towards this business model as we speak.

  • Its sad. Now it will only be downhill to watch anime/TV series and other stuff on internet.

    The megavideo shutdown have already affected me a lot. Shit loads of anime series that is a bit older and pretty much only were on that site or random places where they are removed or doesnt work anymore.

    Nice FBI, nice.

    Why cant they just let it beeeee. Do the companies think they REALLY will gain more money? No they wont. The stuff I watch doesnt show on TV where I live and I never go to the cinema because I live in a little shit town without one.

    I never watch TV as the movies/series are always stuff you have watched or 5 years old or something.

    The companies wont make more money, they will lose them instead as ppl wont see their stuff and then go buy it instead if ppl think its really good. Thats how it works these days. Cant they understand that.

  • lol, this is ironic. I moved to US 20 years ago because lack or internet and freedom. Now i am considering moving back to china, for they have better internet content than the US. Although censer ship sucks, but they only censor shit i give 0 fuck about. Interestingly, they did not censor 4chan. So i will be happly download movies from Chinese dedicated servers at 1.5 MB/s and not have to pay or upload any thing.

    • What plan?
      The plan to bankrupt the US and every other nation that was stupid enough to sign ACTA as that is all this plan will accomplish.
      It’ll be another war on drugs which was a complete and total failure and created many more problems then what it attempted to solve.

      Maybe it’s all a plot by one of the BRIC nations to get their rivals to eliminate themselves without a single shot being fired.

        • Look USA health care standard predicts roughly 100,000$ in cost for lack of treatment to an individiual. Right now roughly 1% of the human population cannot get healthcare due to censorshp (mostly so called ant child porn legislation). Recalculated in global terms thats 1 trillion in cost every year to the global economy (total global economy roghly 30 trillion us dollars in size). Censorship & excessive IP rights are bad for the global economy….

        • In theory yes it can indeed contribute to the nation going bankrupt.
          How much did it cost the US to have the people at Mega upload extradited?

          The jail time alone will cost the department of corrections $440,000 to $720,000 for each individual sentenced if they end up serving 20 years each.

          I’m not counting the trial but I expect this to run into the tens of millions because they have enough money to put up a legal defense that could stretch this out for years.

          If they decide to have a war on piracy like the war drugs it can indeed end up costing billions every year.

          This also will harm the tech sector
          and those jobs will flee to places with more laxed laws untold billions of losses in the GNP.

  • Well there goes the neighborhood. I have accounts with Fileserve, FileSonic and Uploadstation, so I’ll be canceling some of them.

    It’s amazing to see this happening and neither SOPA or PIPA are directly involved, as the two have been merely “tabled” (read: “let’s set this aside, take some things out, and then pass it when we believe the people are back to being the stupid idiots we think they are”). For once, I see a definite reason why many people have disdain for the US through these actions.

  • What’s the next step? Making the mere mention of the words “file sharing” illegal and an automatic 5-10 in jail on the grounds of being “accused” for piracy? If this keeps up, the days of downloading from file hosts will be a story of the past we tell to the young.

    “Y’know, back in MY day you could download anything you wanted from the internet. Music, ROMS, games, movies, porn, everything.”

    • The US would go broke and collapse like the USSR before it can do that.
      The war on drugs has been deemed unsustainable by most of the voting public so it’s unlikely they’ll stand for millions being spent on punishing people for victimless crimes when roads and bridges are falling apart and social security is nearing collapse.
      I estimate the megaupload investigation, arrests, and cost to the department of corrections will have cost the US tax payers any where from 30 to 100 million USD when it’s all said and done for.
      Here the DOJ loosing the case would be by far the cheapest possible out come.
      The other ACTA members are not in any better shape financially or politically.

    • Some guy was arrested at South Korea recently because he twitted that “Kim Jong is moe.”
      He’ll have to prove on the court that he’s not a traitor and that was just a joke, and his lawyer already picked another tweet where he posted “Kim Jong Il Carsex”

  • damn they are running scared, little bitches but damn fansubs gonna be buggered if you want to download them along with specials, that was big annoance for anime that I can no long download them.

  • Sorry if repeat posts are unwelcome.

    Either its to distract attention from ACTA- Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement and PCFIPA- Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act. Both are meant to spy on everyones every action on the internet, they have the same function but ACTA is international, PCFIPA is only in the US and it claims to fight child porn in order to try to prevent people from opposing it, but it doesn’t do just that (or prevent cp at all). They just want our info to use against us. Or perhaps something worse.

  • Meh, the day piratebay goes down ill worry. In the meantime ill just stick to tried and trusted services, furk and torrific, just as easy to find stuff and if they shut down back to torrents, and if torrents go down back to encrypted p2p and if all else fails, just leech from mates and LAN’s, one thing these people dont seem to understand, weve been pirating shit for over 20 years now, worst they can do is inconvenience us a bit but stop us, ya right!

  • Before you guys go on another America hating tirade. I will point out the part of this story where it says that Filesonic and Fileserve are shutting themselves down. Most likely reason is Oh crap we got illegal shit too!.

  • All it takes to kill file hosting forever is get one pulled. If the corporation convince the feds to pull this service for sake of moneys, then the copy right owners can demand a website they don’t like get pulled And then companies owns movies can demand another website to get pulled. And so on and so on, until the file hosting is no more! It’s exactly what happened to Limewire and other file sharing services.

    Sounds like T.V shows.

    • SOPA would allow them to shut down websites bypassing due process.
      To take down a website today, you need to either get a court injunction which requires definite proof. With SOPA, all you need is for someone from the major copyright cartel to accuse your website of hosting copyright content and it will get shut down immediately, no questions asked. it would be up to you to fight them in court which is expensive and may cost years of downtime, enough to bury your website even if the case against you is ultimately lost.

      Of course, we all know how getting a mega-corporation upset at you [url=]always ends[/url].

      • Either its to distract attention from ACTA- Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement and PCFIPA- Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act. Both are meant to spy on everyones every action on the internet, they have the same function but ACTA is international, PCFIPA is only in the US and it claims to fight child porn in order to try to prevent people from opposing it, but it doesn’t do just that (or prevent cp at all). They just want our info to use against us. Or perhaps something worse. I’m going to post this again to inform people.

      • ACTA was signed which is basically international version of SOPA and PIPA together. Signed by 39 countries. The whole point of SOPA PIPPA is create a oligopoly economy and destroying any small competitions. And kill Free speech on the web.

        • The funny thing is that deleting every national stuff uploaded while keeping the foreign stuff piracy will only bring more people to upload and watch the foreign stuff. Illegally, but still.

    • Just when exactly is this “once”? Afik, “the greatest country in the world” is just what the US nationalists kept telling themselves when they were making movies about how they didn’t totally get owned in Vietnam.

      • Yeah, it’s easy to get owned in a fight when your whore politicians make you fight with one hand tied behind your back and a blindfold on.

        If the US had put all of its military resources to full use during that war N.Vietnam would still be a crater you’d be trying to crawl out of.

        Try reading a little before opening your pie hole and I don’t mean “The Peoples Daily”.

  • I just don’t get why the companies do this. I mean, they already make hundreds of millions into the billions of dollars and they’re worried about a few thousand files being pirated and losing an 80th of their profit. Utter idiocy.

  • Well there goes the neighborhood. I have accounts with Fileserve, FileSonic and Uploadstation, so I’ll be canceling some of them.

    It’s amazing to see this happening and neither SOPA or PIPA are directly involved, as the two have been merely “tabled” (read: “let’s set this aside, take some things out, and then pass it when we believe the people are back to being the stupid idiots we think they are”). For once, I see a definite reason why many people have disdain for the US through these actions.

    Dotcom will get what he deserves, whatever that may be, but it’s certainly not helping things inb4 Congress brings these bills back up. If these pass (with whatever meager changes are made) and President Obama signs them into law, we’re f***ed.

  • I’m tempted to learn chinese just so I could get all my stuff from their sites….And I’m sure they don’t give a damn even if US starts whining to them about copyrights or anything. I’m sure they’re like, “copyright? does that taste good?”

  • It’s not the end of the world just yet. The anime sites will still have video streaming sites like Veevr Videozer and Zshare. It’ll just be harder to find downloads (without trojans that is)

  • ” it seems rather more likely they will merely shift back to the P2P and torrents they were using before”

    No. It will prolly shift to ftp, IRC or usenet. P2P/Torrent is too risky.

    Though, I don’t think the shutdown of Megaupload will have a huge impact on the scene. In a few month everything will be back to normal.

  • I hate these damn direct download sites and the captcha systems, it makes downloading large files nearly impossible or a week long affair. I can only hope torrents come back, you can set it and forget it and new torrents are a lot faster than waiting 2 hours between each 200mb file.

    • Well.. the freaks fear 2012 for some apocalypse~
      maybe it’s not quite what they thought it is going to be~~ The Destruction of the web might happen with the complete collapse of All services when Hackers – Crackers – Trojan jockeys -ones within closed sites like the government, banks, SS by shear coincidence unleash they programs at the same time to Utterly CRASH EVERYTHING! It’ll make the 2011 crashes look like nothing but experiments for the Big One…

  • Make no mistake: the copyright tyrants will keep pushing for more and more control. The only way to stop them is to destroy their motor: all copyright laws must be abolished. It is time to realize that the very concept is immoral and flies in the face of human freedom.

    • I agree. Copyright laws are evil. They need to be abolished. I believe it is better for everyone to keep information free, the way it naturally is, and yes, that includes authors. How many times did you see anime or games where you thought “yeah, this could have been a lot better, but they wanted the profits, so the quality had to suffer to release it fast enough”? We don’t need them. We need creations of high quality, where people making them are committed to the work itself, and not to the profit they can get from it.

      By the way, there is a new religion about the freedom of information :

      I hope they’ll get large enough to actually be able to fight against copyright laws.

        • Your premise is false. Copyright is one solution to attribution, not the only possible solution. Just because one is against copyright does not mean they are against attribution or rewarding the creators.

    • No, copyright laws to a degree must be changed. It’s quite literally stifling creativity and innovation. Also, iF they don’t exist, they would also stifle creativity and innovation as well. The reason a lot of this began is because we’re in the digital age. The “tyrants” believe for whatever reason that they’re losing money through file-sharing despite the fact that there are studies that prove otherwise. Instead of trying work with the digital age, grow out of DVDs & blu-ray, move into a fair digital distribution system like Netflix has done, they’ve decided2 to simply beat it down with a stick.

      Where do you think SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, and the likes come from? Quite simply the same people who firmly believe they’re losing money, lobbying (a.k.a. paying off people) to get laws passed so they can use law enforcement to do their bidding. In the process of their war against the digital age, they’re gradually buttfucking the internet while at the same time dragging their sack across creativity and innovation.

      Now that the other file-sharing services have bent over and spread their butt-cheeks in submission, they’re most likely going to target P2P file-sharing. The best way to attack that however is from bills like SOPA & PIPA. It may have been defeated for now, but sooner or later once things quiet down, they’ll try to stealth pass something like it.

      • US copyright law needs to be rolled back to the 1831 or 1790 laws where they expired after a maximum of 14 years with the option of a 14 year renewal or 28 years with a optional 14 year renewal.
        This is plenty of time to make a good profit any more would be gold bricking.
        For example the author of Harry potter for example still would have became just as rich even under the 1790 law.
        Patents don’t last as long a as copyright if I invent something I can only collect off that patent for 20 years after that the invention becomes public domain anyone can add to.
        I have no issues with this as technological advancement would grind to a halt if it had to deal with paying royalties on something 100 years old as R&D would be crushed under the weight of legal fees and startups would die before they even got a chance.
        Heck I think US patents can be reduced to 15 years as this is more then enough to time to profit on something.

        I think software should only be able to have a patent or copyright of only 7 years since it becomes outdated so quickly.

        It should be noted Disney made millions animating works that were already public domain.
        So they could not even have came into existence if today’s screwed up copyright laws existed in 1930.

      • “Also, iF they don’t exist, they would also stifle creativity and innovation as well.”
        This is the reason why we didn’t invent anything before we invented copyright in the 19th century, right?

        • Copyright was introduced in 1710 (18th century) in England and 1837 in Germany. There are studies which show that the bookmarket went downhill from there with writers earning and producing less and companies earning more.

          Mozart was making music without needing copyright. So was Händel. And Goethe managed to write without it. I wonder how those people managed to, y’know, not starve to death.

          Take a look at Katawa Shoujo for example.

        • Inventions are protected by patent law, which was introduced in the 15th century. What is being discussed here is *copyright* law, which was introduced in the *17th* century.

          Without copyright law, creators would have no protection. You want to bring up fan works, great. What was the last fan-made movie you saw that didn’t suck?

          That being said, I think that laws such as SOPA, which grant the US the power to arrest someone from *another country*, are inherently broken. If the Yanks want to enforce a law like that, they’d better be ready for Sharia law enforcement in their own country. Bang your neighbour’s wife, get your head chopped off…and hers. That’s the road they’re going down.

          Unfortunately, the only way for the Yanks to fix their government at this point is another armed revolution.

      • I agree with you. Physical media format to me is just not worth it. They took physical space, harms the environment, and I think isn’t profitable. The reason why physical media content is so expensive is because of the cost of making the physical media itself.

        Not to mention that the cost needed to buy the players. Also, contents itself is limited by the power of the player. Imagine what would happen if games weren’t created with hardware limitations in mind like Crysis. Crysis weren’t build and thus limited by console and it allowed the dev to go nuts.

        They should have just moved on to digital medium like you say, Netflix and Steam. Steam I know is quite successful.

        • To be fair, physical media (RAW) is pretty much worthless. A DVD/BD is what.. $0,20? And enough paper to fill a book… even less? (It’s not the age of tapes anymore, where the raw physical media was actually worth something.)

          Where you save money is distribution and storage, now those two things eat a lot of money. Lots and lots of staff is suddenly not needed anymore. Also no need to pay for those big warehouses.

          Then again, they’d had to pay for servers. Though, I imagine them to be much cheaper. Well, servers ain’t even really needed, when they can convince their customers to seed 😉 BakaBT convinced their users to seed, so that shouldn’t be a problem.

      • Case in point. I use an eyedrop called Lumigan which helps to control glaucoma. I don’t have health insurance and the stuff costs me $110 US for a very small bottle every month.It was supposed to go generic in Sept 2012 but the greedy bastards at Allergan the company who makes it bought off some politician hacks and had the patent extended to Aug 20 2014!

        One of the side effect of the drug is it makes your eyelashes thicker and longer so one marketing weasels came up with the idea of selling it to women as an eyelash enhancer under the name Latisse at the same price!

        I stopped taking Lumigan a couple of months ago because I can no longer afford it. This is copyright protection in the US at it’s finest! Feed the greed!

      • Oh yeah, the reason why several poor countries are waking up to all the backdoor FTA negotiation being done behind closed doors, away from public notice.

        In the end, they don’t care about the human lives those medicines are supposed to be saving. To them, being poor means that you don’t have the right to live. It’s almost like a systematic genocide.

        • Authoritarian control of goods and wealth came way before democratic ideals and freedom, my friend.

          Since the period of hunter/gatherers it was seen as way easier to take from others and pool efforts and goods within one’s own select group. Management is needed and whoever is considered the “best” within the group based on whatever criteria, becomes the leader.

          The groupthink and leadership kept that group alive and better off than individuals and other, weaker groups. Those dynamics hold true today with not just companies but countries, sports teams, high schools, games, etc

        • @15:52
          Of course they had it. They bought freedom with blood in the war against the British crown. The USA was a country by and for the people at the time of it’s founding.
          And their children turned right back and sold the country to a new privileged aristocracy. So much for democracy.

    • Hmmmmyeah no.

      Copyright needs to be modified, not abolished. It needs to be adapted to modern times, it needs to fulfill its original intention, which is not to fatten companies’ pockets, but to reward artists for their hard work.

      Something you seem to not give a shit about. You must be one of those people who scoff at the mere thought of an artist charging money for a drawing, a story, etc.

      You don’t care about human freedom, you just want to download games to your heart’s content without paying for them. You don’t work in game development, or anything like that. You probably work at a burger joint and think you’re more entitled to being paid than an artist. Think again.

    • USA’s Capitalism be abolished? even if its the same US goverment feeding it? Seems legit…

      The only way i see to work things out, it’s No-profit upload services or Torrents.
      For the “problem” to dissappear? nah! it will never.

        • No he meant “instinctual property.” This is when a wolf urinates on the borders of a given piece of land, to signal the other wolf packs that the land is his property.

          It’s an instinct.

      • Well, you need some form of protection. If there is no money to be made there is no reason to make movies / anime / games / books, anything, those people need to eat too. Even this site would suffer because the writer would have 0 protection, and he would likely have nothing to talk about either.

        Shutting down sites by threatening them or SOPA is going too far, but no copyright laws at all is going too far too, there needs to be a good middle ground.

        • I ain’t saying “knowledge for knowledge’s sake”, though I like the idea very much. I’m going with Darwin for this conversation. If you’re not cut out to survive just die. Makes the general race stronger, because the weak (or old) won’t reproduce when they are dead.

        • “you are going to be crying when many of the things you enjoy start to go away.”

          If you’re going to put it that way… just stop making all that stuff. I can live with that. I don’t even know what I’m missing if it’s never made, so why would I care? For games… maybe there won’t be a Resident Evil 14 or a Zelda 21. Yeah, I don’t care for games. Maybe Berserk never finishes or Kodomo no Jikan ends midway. Whatever. Perhaps Meitantei Conan won’t ever come to a conclusion and all hope for To Aru something sequel is lost. Big. Fucking. Deal.

        • Sometimes it’s a matter of not having the means to produce or distribute one’s own product to the audience. Companies charge for their service to produce, say, a game, that is, the use of the machinery and computers and boxing apparatuses, etc.

          Advertising and driving up demand is also a big part, which can and often does lead to the skewing the say, “artistic” integrity of the artist/creator’s original purpose/imagining of their creation, in order to grab and sell to the widest possible audience/market.

          The company then claims money for organizing all of this work and rationalizes the larger percentage of revenue than the creator themselves, because of the innumerable costs of the entire production line. Control is needed to maximize the revenue stream by making the product unique and their sanctioned sources of purchase as the only means of gaining access to their show or game or what have you.

          So really, a creator may not have the need to for money, say, they have the drive to give their creation to the world, but not have the means to do so. The costs of time and labor can be too great which makes a game like Katawa Shoujo quite an intriguing existence because of its quality to cost (free) to labor ratio.

        • Creators have a drive to create. Even if they don’t make any money. Just go back before copyright was invented. If you do a little research you will see that copyright actually hurts creators. It’s only use is for companies to charge people more, while giving creators less.

          Think about it. Without copyright people can just use characters from popular franchises and make porn with them!! There even could be a Touhou-anime.

          Besides, with the power of the internet, the power of information… do you still think there would be an audience for bootlegs, if you can just download it for free and then pay the creator directly?

        • “If there is no money to be made there is no reason to make movies / anime / games / books, anything”

          The hundreds of thousands of fan made works released in japan alone scoff at your bullshit argument.

        • @Anon (13:32)


          It’s what the fansub community has been saying (and doing) for years. It’s not fansubs that are killing anime in the U.S., either: it’s the greed of the Japanese studio executives (in fairness to the much-maligned domestic distributors, it’s very hard for them to make their product appealing in the U.S. market while burdened by current license costs).

          I would add that people are far more willing to pay good money when they know the creator is actually seeing his or her fair share of it, rather than having most of the profit siphoned off by some other party.

        • Some of the greatest art and literature man has ever created was made before the modern concept of intellectual property emerged in the 18th century.

          Let me explode the myth for you: IP law has NEVER actually been about making sure creators get paid, it has ALWAYS been about ensuring that PUBLISHERS can continue to reap unreasonable profits. Creators – in general, if not always individually – have never had a problem finding patrons; rather it’s the publishing cabal which depends on government interference to sustain its business model. The publishers, not the creators (by and large), also happen to be the ones with friends in government. That was the case three hundred years ago, and its still the case now.

          If we’ve learned anything from the experience of the Internet, it ought to be that independent creators (such as webcomic artists, and people like the Angry Video Game Nerd, Nostalgia Critic, etc.), without the wherewithal of the giant publishing houses or studios, can still successfully make money on their work, even though they have no real hope of defending their copyright. The only ones being served by copyright are the giant corporations that can actually afford to enforce it. Those same giant corporations are the ones paying the artists a pittance despite charging excessive prices for an often mediocre product, and funneling the majority of the profits to fat-cat executives and shareholders. The world would not be a worse place for losing the big publishers and studios.

        • If a product is good, people will buy it, its as easy as that.

          You cant sell? Well not the fault of pirates, but of your product, no one is going to buy a dvd that costs a dollar a dozen in cheap case for 50 dollar a piece. As far as games are concerned, they were in the need of more love for a long time, put them in a nice box, add a few prints or other goodies and people will buy it even if you can get it for free on the net.

        • “If there is no money to be made there is no reason to make movies / anime / games / books, anything”

          people enjoy entertainment, and they will pay money for good entertainment. there is always a market don’t bullshit a bullshitter.

          along the note of “there needs to be a good middle ground.” that is only agreeable, if you remove all these laws, then there will be more issues that are probably unforeseen.

        • No copyright at all? Then what incentive is their to spine millions of dollars and hours creating new vaccines and medicine for obscure and commnon diseases or just general research. Shit ain’t cheap. And before you say knowledge for knowledge’s sake, that doesn’t pay bills or motivate the majority of humanity.

        • To put this in the fairest words I can put it in, the entire idea of creation comes with spare time outside of the work society gave you for the day (if you even have a job of course, otherwise it’s quite a gamble). Sure there are many that hope to make a profit on their ideas, but to some it’s just simply knowing that their work is appreciated.

          ZUN hardly put any form of copyright on his games and their characters so fans can have the freedom to create derivative works and have fun sharing it around. But as the creator he wants people to at least know it’s roots. Knowing what anime tends to do to noobs and the obscurity of the games themselves, it would cause a division that would ultimately cripple the fandom. Note the ratio of people that don’t even know of the games, add an anime and and we get more than further obscurity of THE original works, but images of the characters being solidified by the mass of idiots that didn’t know of the fandom before would overshadow the fun of Touhou’s ambiguity.

          Copyright is more than just companies getting the extra buck off the creators and fans in exchange for making their product known, but also so the creator can place a solid flag on the hill he found and has the say of how he wants his hill to look like.

        • Bullshit. Before copyright was invented, copying was difficult. The cost in time associated with duplicating a work meant that the value of the original was not degraded. The advent of copyright occurred when duplication became easy for third parties.

          Creators have a drive to create. They also have a drive to eat. If you undermine creation as a valid career, you are going to be crying when many of the things you enjoy start to go away.

          And copyright is not trademark. Learn the difference and apply it to your arguments.

        • Japan is irrelevant for these purposes. Fan made works are rarely finished in america, because of the cost and little reward that comes from it.

          The point is, if everyone can get everything for free, nobody will pay- or pay ENOUGH- for it. Some people might, sure… but most wont. Also with no copyright law… companies could freely and legally steal from each other as long as it was only intellectual property they stole. You want US to become the new China? Bootlegs of everything? Stealing everything and trying to make money off of others work?

      • you do know that we developers of entertainment such as a computer game maker like myself wants to eat too.

        Seriously, I think that this war against copyright laws is stupid but I can also say that those guys who want to abolish copyrights have no idea what will happen if said law is abolished. Entertainment developers have the right to be paid on what they have created.

        All I can say is moderation, yes pirate the work but after you played it, pay for the original or a donation is good afterwards.

        • I think that if the founder of megaupload broke the law by making a profit, why do we also have to pay for what he did, I mean, many of us did download stuff because the chances of it being available in our countries were slim. And besides, If I ever downloaded something already available in my country, all I did was download it as a means of previewing stuff before I went out to buy it; plus, downloading ongoing anime is the same as watching it on tv, you watchet to later buy it when released

        • “All I can say is moderation, yes pirate the work but after you played it, pay for the original or a donation is good afterwards.”

          But isn’t that openly disregarding copyright laws? Not that I disagree, but I fail to understand why you would argue in favour of keeping the laws in place, then go on to say that they should be ignored.

    • God you’re stupid. Copyright laws prevent jackasses like those at megaupload from making money off of things that isn’t their’s or have permission to use. It’s called stealing so if you wanna get rid of copyright laws might as wells make theft legal.

    • The only reason new movies, anime or any type of media or artwork exists is due to copyright laws. If producers make a new anime and are unable to make exclusive profits off it, why in the world would they make it in the first place? Be thankful that we have copyright laws so that we can constantly watch new anime every season. Don’t be a retard and just join the latest bandwagon. Trust me, policy setters and governments are smarter than you. They do things for a reason beyond your comprehension and that is why they run the country, not you.

        • So true.

          I had investors when I started out and always got the same old shit about how I should do things to maximize profits for them. In the end I paid them all out, took control of my company and went from making a few hundred thousand every year to globally expanding my company within 3 years to the point I could sell it and more then comfortably retire at 25 for the rest of my life.

          The old generation how no idea how to use technology to their advantage, both to propel a business and its profits.

          The old generation hate technology and more importantly the internet because it’s a fair playing field that they can’t manipulate or control.

          If they had their way people like me would have been crushed during start-up.

          Heck I’m one of the few businessmen in new zealand that stood against our copyright laws that were introduced.

          I know how it happened and it’s all because of a collaboration of movies companies which made a power play to make a example of our little country.

          Unfortunately it’s one that has yet to work at all like everything they do we or someone else circumvent it before its even launched because that’s how technology and the internet work…

          Put a wall in-front of someone on the internet and they have two choices, stop and don’t proceed or walk around it an never see it again.

        • @11:13
          Well, I’m not about to create an important thesis just to stick it into some drawer for all eternity. if I made it, I made it to be useful in some form. What I would not like is if I didn’t get compensated for my hard work.

          But, there is an important distinction which you fail to account for here. You do NOT need is to create artificial scarcity (copyright in essence) for your creative work in order for that to happen.

          What we need is a system which rewards inventors and is fair to the public, rather than rewarding the inventor’s rich patrons and damaging the public.

          The free market was not designed to work with unlimited supply. It doesn’t even make sense under such circumstances. You can’t package information into a box and sell it.
          Of course copyright isn’t going to work. It should have been obvious from the start.

        • “I develop games and apps for a living (iOS and Android) and I see plenty of illegal copies of them floating around and you know what ? I don’t give a damn.”

          Big companies don’t function like that. The actual creators are funded by investors who have no idea what is being created, for what purpose and how it works, just that there’s profit to be made. Then they form commitees and companies that share this exact mindset and all they do is ask the creators “Well what are you going to do about this and this loss?” If they reply “Nothing at all” the funds are withdrawn and invested somewhere else.

        • If the old guy has 20 million on his bank account and supports the presidents election … of course you d listen to him instead of the public.

          Biggest problem being, the “pirates” are “selfish”, they keep their money instead of “investing” it in the “good of the people”. Meaning, there are private jets, hookers and pleasure trips to hawai sponsored by the Riaa for politicians, but not by megaupload.

        • How would I feel if someone use it ?

          I’d feel honoured!

          I develop games and apps for a living (iOS and Android) and I see plenty of illegal copies of them floating around and you know what ? I don’t give a damn.

          I make enough money to live comfortably and there is no need to be greedy. Nobody has a right to get rich of that stuff and if I someday don’t make enough money anymore I just get back to my old 9 to 5 job. I think the f’up singers out there should just stfu and do the same. They have no right to get millions for a stupid song but should enjoy the ride while it lasts…

          PS: And oh yeah, I copy all I want to and even buy it anyway if its good. That is unless they are a bunch of downloader-suing bitches that want to jew peeps out of their really hard earned money…

        • see as far as using something, I have no problem. but I hate when people claim something is theirs when it’s not. If I was a famous singer or something like that and a company wanted to use my song in a commercial, I’d be perfectly fine with it they don’t have to say anything to me.

          My biggest issue here is that the government needs to learn to listen to the people and not the dozen or so entertainment execs with the deep pockets.

        • how would you feel if like when you made an important thesis, song or anything and your bestfriend or other ppl use it? what will be your reaction? beat them? and other ppl that steal will always steal other ppls ideas. that’s why there the govt made those shitty laws to prevent ppl from getting carried away. o.O

        • @ Dan 11:45

          Honestly? Yes. So what if he can’t check his e-mail? Is that your chosen words to describe ‘eeeevil politicians’? What does someone’s technological ability mean exactly when you are taking peoples’ work? This isn’t about SOPA or any of that shit, this is a fundamental concept of exchange of goods and services. Do you draw? Do you write? Do you create anything in your life at all?

          If you don’t, then you don’t know shit about what you are talking about. If you do, then you have obviously lost perspective or have never done anything successful enough to make any money.

          Seriously, these filesites were for thieves. We were all stealing shit. Can you honestly deny that? And none of that horseshit trying to define thievery as ‘oh, digital things aren’t theft because it’s not actually taking stuff because blah blah blah I don’t want to pay.’

          I used them too, I don’t deny it, but I also cannot deny that them being smacked down like this kind of needed to happen. Filesharing won’t stop, but these people were making money off of people taking other peoples’ products and uploading them and not giving anything back to the creators. As a creator, yeah, I say fuck them. I used the sites too, but now that they’re gone? Life goes on. God forbid I have to save up a bit to get some more of the shit I want. Which… oh yeah, was what I was doing in the first place because I actually grew up before this shit happened and still have some perspective.

        • Last time I checked people striked if they were starving, while the companies earned lots of money. But that’s not the point.

          The misconception is that you only earn money because of copyright. That’s not the case. Pirates are everywhere. Companies already pretty much lost control over distribution. But there are still people paying for the official products. I assure you that this isn’t because they can’t get it elsewhere for free.

        • Entertainment developers like me needs to eat too, we need the money that you have in order for us to develop entertainment products that can entertain you. If we do not have the copyrights for the entertainment products that we develop then we have little control on who publishes or distribute the product.

          In short the money that we deserve(because we created the entertainment product in the first place) are being passed to people who have just got it with no work.

          In turn we entertainment developers receive low pay and we starve and well you know the rest.

          Yes we want to eat, to have spending money and to sleep under a roof. We are happy that you guys are happy but in turn, a little investment given to us is enough to keep us producing more stuff for all of us to enjoy.

        • I’ll explain. You seem to talk about copyright as if it’s only for digital. The truth is we’re all becoming spoiled brats. We will say it’s our right to have this stuff for free and share it as if it’s some kind of given, when it’s not. We’re all thieves regardless of how many words you want to mince about what theft is defined as.

          So they make millions on the movies. Would it somehow be more “just” if they only made thousands and could barely survive? Somehow struggling for survival when creating a creative entity makes them more special than the multi-millionaires?

          No, that’s stupid and to say otherwise makes one stupid. This is how capitalism functions. Good products are supposed to make good money when you want it. Bad products make less. If you enjoyed a movie, you pay a bit so you contribute to the countless people who worked on it. You know, those credits everyone waits through to see if anything is after them? There are thousands of people there, all of whom earn a salary, most of whom deserve it and more.

          Do you have a character you love? A character you’ve created and would love to see a game exist of them? What if you designed a movie, show or game with that character and it was your masterpiece, and you started making it, and someone else took the character because they liked it and made something you couldn’t possibly make alone with a team of people? And when you showed proof that you made it, they go ‘so?” That’s copyright that protects you from that happening. Just because big businesses have lawyers and actually understand it while you don’t doesn’t make them evil.

          The truth is we’ve become spoiled. We paid for our shit 20 years ago, and yes, the stuff you consider shit is entertainment to others, and those creators deserve payment for those who enjoy it just as much as the ones you think are great. Just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean that it’s bad, it just means you are one of the demographics that doesn’t like it. There are all types of people with all types of backgrounds.

          This shit exists so that everyone, from the smallest, brokest creator up to the richest man in the world can have an equal shot at their creations granting them success.

          These filesharing hosts were for thieves. Plain and simple. We all used them, but the amount people are defending our theft means most of us have lost track of how full of shit the internet community has become.

          Downvote me all you want, that doesn’t change that it’s the truth. Everything is just an excuse as to why most of us are too spoiled to pay for the shit we like. How many things have we seen without paying our ‘hard earned’ money for their hard work that earned the money just as much?

        • Without copyright law, everything you love would go away because it would no longer be profitable to make and sell it. No copyright law means nobody has a reason to buy anything anymore if piracy is legal.
          Anime would not be imported legally AT ALL. You can say goodbye to japanese games coming to US shores ever. The US will become completely devoid of media that isn’t supported heavily by advertising. Copyright laws, intellectual property laws, they’re what allow people to make money. They allow people to own concepts, shows, movies. They’re what says “Fox owns this movie” and what allows them to sell it for profit, which pays the actors, writers, etc. If nobody is getting paid, then nothing will get done except shitty indie films made by kids for their senior college class.

          Intellectual property means artists will all but stop completely, commissions will disappear since nobody can claim anything as legally theirs to protect their work…

          The situation sucks but this would not fix it, it’d just make it way way worse.

  • This issue has bad people on both sides of it. The fact is that if people were not going to these file sharing sites in droves then something like SOPA would have never been created. The fact that SOPA got stopped will not stop them from trying again. I wonder sometimes why people are so adverse to actually buying something these days. Everyone seems to be so entitled.

    That having been said I think that in the case of the artist they are getting paid fairly for their work, as that is figured into their contract, but the studio that produced the work is losing money when people know they can get it for free. Even when prices come way down people still want stuff for free. CD’s used to be 16.99. You want that one cool song on the album? You gotta buy it for 16.99. Now you can go to itunes and get it for .99 cents. Do people do that? Nope. They just steal it.

    • Iam subscribed to spotify for music and youtube the other songs I cant find there.

      I would use Netflix if I lived in a country where you can use it but I dont. Those stuff are damn good as they are cheap and you get loads of stuff for the money.

      And good luck buying anime/manga in sweden with the newer stuff. I dont even have that kind of shop in my town. And if there exist in sweden they are for sure stuff that are probably 5 years old~ and most of it wont come here anyway.

  • Crap if this keeps up im gonna have to go back to P2P. I wonder if limewire is still around? These assholes are trying to drive us back into the dark ages of the internet when you didn’t know whether you just downloaded the file you hoped for or a virus just looking like it. Oh those dark dark days are here again.

      • Dude PSP is a huge hassle sometimes it takes hours to find the file you were looking for and then when after you download it you find out its something else and only had the name of what you were looking for. And lets not forget the widespread virus infections that can come with it. It also puts a huge drag on your internet surfing speed too. But i’ll support anything at the moment that is against the fucking corporations that are doing this stupid shit.