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The summer 2012 anime season is off to a less promising start than might be hoped – one of the most anticipated upcoming series, “Muv-Luv Total Eclipse,” is already facing tracing accusations after it emerged some of its sexy pinup art looks to have been blatantly plagiarised from not one but two different sources in the same picture…

The purported similarities were discovered by 2ch’s plagiarism task force of otaku with far too much time on their hands – as usual, how they discovered these similarities is almost as pressing a question as why some illustrators still think they can get away with it.

The original:

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From a popular Infinite Stratos pin-up:

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And on the left an obscure Ikki Tousen artwork:

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A limit break is promised to anyone able to identify the third girl as unoriginal, as unfortunately seems less than improbable.

An alternative, more generous explanation has also been put forward – “perhaps they all copied their girls from a collection of poses?” – although this is none too reassuring either.


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    Comment by Anonymous
    00:04 11/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    i47.tinypic.com/of5xtt.jpg

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:38 10/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    There's a gif on 2ch showing the changes. The third girl looks exactly like an image of Haruna from To LOVE-Ru.
    You can find it with google reverse image, or just googling "Haruna To LOVE-RU" to find the the image of Haruna.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:59 11/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.8)

    kind of funny how at the start of this artcle, this comment was voted down, while all these comments saying "who cares? poses." was voted up. looks like someone with multiple accounts struck again.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:21 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    It's probably Chen-04. How that comment had (+0.8) in the first few minutes is beyond me.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:28 11/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.8)

    "or whatever it's called."

    ...XD

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:01 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Im Chen and im a fag for upvoting my own votes like how i like my own shit on FB

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:50 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Perhaps the other 8 Chens with him voted him up? >.>

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    Comment by Chen-04

    Wuu, I'm famous \o/ Thank you, guys.
    But no, wasn't me. I don't give a fuck about tracing or whatever it's called.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:10 11/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    SanCom should update the post based this anon comment

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    Comment by Artist Rising
    07:12 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sexy, but I am disappointed!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:38 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Great, one of the most anticipated is just a clone .. This season reminds me of last year, only to cover the hole in the schedule .. Too bad there is still no hibernation chamber, at least I still have my old backups and old anime on sale. If the season save two releases will be much :P

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:57 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's an artist belonging to the company that made the game that the anime is an adaptation of a spinoff of. He's not involved with the anime itself. I don't see why this is grounds to call the show a clone.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:26 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    What?

    SanCom writing about Japanese people doing something WRONG?

    IMPOSSIBIRU

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:33 10/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Sometimes when you got to think of it, it's amazing how a simple piece of 2D artwork could give you a hard on... That goes to show that these guys who can really draw till such have very 'good observation skills and sights'in order to pen them down on paper... Ya gotta love what they can see man... :)

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    Comment by OtakuX
    21:36 10/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think Genshiken explained that nicely though.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:40 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Those images are usually drawn by an illustrator of the magazine, so if anything you can accuse the illustrator of beign lazy, it shouldnt affect the perception of the ane.

    Comment by Anonymous
    12:14 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Have good skills
    > Draw something that looks great
    >>Turns out it looks a lot like something else drawn by another person with great skills.
    >>>Plagarism hilarity ensues
    >>>>Many sads are had.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:53 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    It's unfortunate they see the need to trace - seems really cheap of them. But at the same time it doesn't bother me much since this is only series promo art work. If they start plagiarising other anime series frame for frame.. then there is a serious problem here.

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    Comment by KiTA
    05:28 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nobody cares. Especially not in this thread. There's a submit news button on the main page, go use it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:50 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Find the original 3D photo and the truth will really be revealed.

    Comment by Anonymous
    15:26 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    "Good artists copy. Great artists steal."

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    Comment by Dia
    23:09 10/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Nice resolution on the original picture! Made side-by-side comparison with the Ikkitousen one a bit more troublesome, though.

    There are probably more differences than similarities with the Ikkitousen girl and the TE one, so that one doesn't really bother me. But the other girl is way to blatant!

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:09 10/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    if its give you a boner..

    I wonder how the artist finish the artwork...

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:55 10/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't understand, why? The picture and the pose is simple why trace it? It'll save just 1 or maximum 5 hours of work of the artist. Why are they doing it for the official poster?

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:20 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    While you can't really copyright a pose, it's pretty obvious the illustrator copied these line for line...on one of the girls he even used the same expression.

    Is just anyone hired to do this kind of shit or what?

    Comment by Anonymous

    And the person who drew the copied one copied another one.

    Everyone uses reference material. Get over it.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:12 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    This is not using reference. It's outright tracing.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:47 10/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I call bullshit on the tracing accusation.

    I've examined the breasts involved very carefully and do not see any evidence of tracing.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:50 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    I've examined the breasts carefully......and just fapped.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:20 10/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    I call bullshit on your bullshit.

    I've examined your bullshit very carefully and do not see any evidence of non-bullshit.

    Comment by Anonymous
    22:52 10/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    For the girl on the right, look below the boobs and look at the waist, shadow lines, and belly button. Pretty much identical. The other girl at least looks slightly less similiar line for line.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:42 10/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    They have the same 3 sizes?

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    Comment by TC-man
    22:14 10/06/2012 # ! Neutral (-0.2)

    The funny thing is that the mangaka of Ikkitousen was accused of plagiarizing Tenjo Tenge, including plot and tracing.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:38 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    That's weird, because those two series are quite different in terms of art & plot.

    Also, didn't Tenjou Tenge come out before Ikki Tousen?

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    Comment by jamesownsall

    Another day in CSI: 2ch

    Well I guess the anime's reputation has been...

    (•_•)

    ( •_•)>⌐■-■

    (⌐■_■)

    ...eclipsed.

    YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY~

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:10 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    The eclipsed pun was already used in the article so, uh, yeahhhhh

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:23 12/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Article is about copying so it's ok.

    Comment by Anonymous

    "An alternative, more generous explanation has also been put forward – “perhaps they all copied their girls from a collection of poses?” – although this is none too reassuring either."

    Why not? Even Da Vinci used references. Statements like these are so fucking retarded.

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    Comment by Noodlestein
    22:46 10/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    Referencing != Copying.

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    Comment by Chen-04

    Don't care.
    There's only a limited amount of poses humans can do anyway.

    Comment by Anonymous
    00:55 11/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.8)

    lol, this just might be one of the stupidest comments i've read on sancom. "limited amount of poses", lol

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    Comment by Noodlestein
    00:34 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    Even still, you could draw the same pose without tracing. You can just look at her hand and see it right away.
    You can still do the stupid hand touching her hair bs but also actually make it a little original/different... maybe have the bend a little more/less, the curve from the palm to the finger be curved more or less etc.

    It makes me think of writing a paper for english classes or something on World War II or something like that, you can look at that the same way with your train of thought "There is only so much stuff to write about WWII anyways" when a kid tries to hand in a paper he copied off someone else.

    But in the end, caring about this will do nothing as it wont stop/deter tracing.
    Still going to watch the shit out of that anime though.

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    Comment by Chen-04
    02:08 11/06/2012 # ! Drivel (-0.9)

    Sure, if you copy you can do minor changes to seem original. Works with handing in papers. My point was that something like this can happen even without the intent of copying, since there are only so much possible poses the human body is capable of. It's even further limited because the characters faces should be visible.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:32 11/06/2012 # ! Good (+0.6)

    jesus christ, four comments saying the same thing. some people just don't know when to stop whining, do they.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:52 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.4)

    But looking at the two illustrations side-by-side...they're nearly identical line for line. Even the way the bathing suit strings on one of the girls is exactly the same. That would be one hell of a coincidence.

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    Comment by Benoist
    04:31 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    first girl is a coincidence ? let's say it is
    second girl is a coincidence ? let's say " Innocent unless proven guilty"
    third girl is a coincidence ? now, what ?

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:59 11/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    The thing here is that these are obviously traced, no question about it. Even if they were based on the same pose from some other source image, there's absolutely no way that most of the lines and cell shading would match perfectly, as they do here.

    Likewise, if someone plagiarizes parts of a report from a textbook, online, or someone else's paper, teachers are typically going to know. Many instructors, especially at a college level, actually submit all their students papers to online services that compare them against a vast database of prior works to search for signs of plagiarism. If parts of a report are found to have been copied from another source, you can bet that report will be failed, at the very least.

    I'm glad to see people searching for tracing in artwork like this. People are getting paid to produce this art, and if they copy 90% of the work from real artists who aren't getting paid, they're taking advantage of them. It's alright to use an existing pose as a reference, but tracing a source image line for line is another thing entirely.

    Comment by Anonymous
    23:13 14/06/2012 # ! Neutral (0)

    "if you do that in movies with motion sequences it's called a homage"

    In a movie, you wouldn't be simply copying and pasting the source material, then tweaking it a little. Homages can be done with drawn art as well, but that's entirely different from just tracing an image.

    Comment by Anonymous

    There is a difference between motion and pictures.

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    Comment by Chen-04

    "third girl is a coincidence ? now, what ?"
    Still a coincidence..? Just because it's unlikely doesn't mean it's impossible.

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    Comment by Chen-04
    04:08 11/06/2012 # ! Drivel (-1.0)

    But can you prove that it isn't a coincidence? Innocent unless proven guilty, no?

    Well,.. honesty.. I don't care either way. Besides,.. if you do that in movies with motion sequences it's called a homage, but do it in anime with a single picture and the otaku whine.

    Comment by Anonymous

    it's not about the pose, but the shadows have exactly the same shape as well, so that's quite suspicious as even a single artist wouldn't make something that similar twice ;)





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