Final Fantasy XIV Player Numbers “Collapsing”


Square Enix’s efforts to rescue its disastrous Final Fantasy XIV launch by extending its free trial to two months also seem to have been less than successful – player populations appear to be declining inexorably and scarcely anyone has a nice thing to say about the game.

Player populations through October, excluding holidays and maintenance days:


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    Avatar of Afonso
    Comment by Afonso
    22:29 27/10/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    When Square Enix will realize that FINAL FANTASY IS A CONSOLE RPG, NOT A MMORPG! Someone please tell'em this.


    Comment by Pyrolight
    03:26 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    It can make a fine MMO, you just can't have lazy retards making the thing tho.

    FFXI redone today by the same designers based on what they learned would have been a very good MMO.

    FFXIV seems like it was made by 1000 typing monkeys.

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    Comment by vanchrian
    06:40 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Agreed. The proper formula to making a good MMO involves sticking with the MMO for many, MANY years.

    That's how Everquest and Eve Onling are still going and getting teh monies despite their age and the presence of alternatives.

    Making a sequel MMO so soon will only serve to divide their own consumer base up and won't get them many new subcriptions.

    They wouldn't even need to redo a whole game. Expansions are what really keeps an MMO going.

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    Comment by alidan
    08:35 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    i had to look up eve online just to make damn sure it was the game i was thinking it was.

    its a miracle eve online lasted 3 months, much less almost 3 years

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:31 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I understand EQ is still going strong after a decade, but Eve Online? Really? Eve online came out in 2008.

    And how this sequel MMO nonsense EQ-1999, EQ2-2004. FFXI-2002, FFXIV-2010. Eight years is too soon?

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    Comment by alidan
    07:51 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    i want to correct you there.

    expansions don't make the mmo keep going, its player base, and developer support. by developer support i mean fixing bugs and putting out seasonal events or just events.

    a community of players who all know each other (at lest the high end do) and aren't pieces of shit looking for e-peen

    and most importantly, the core game. everquest, has an amazing core game, especially if you know how little or how much it changed.

    Comment by Anonymous
    16:27 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    EVE is pretty much the only MMO besides WoW whose subs keep increasing, and their playerbase isn't too shabby.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:38 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Are you guys broken in the head?

    Eve was released in 2003. I've been playing it since late 2004.

    It's been going for well over SEVEN years.

    Whoever thought it was released in 2008 is a buttmonkey.

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:39 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    And on that note, the playerbase is still growing slowly but steadily. Year after year after year.

    They must be doing something right.

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    Comment by vanchrian
    11:52 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    @alidan Well, expansions are one of the many forms of on-going support. Generally they roll these things out when there're gonna be large changes in the game.

    Patches and in-game events are fun, but there's a limit to how much those can achieve.

    And Eve Online has been around since 2003! It's over just over 7 years old now, and still getting major updates and expansions.

    FF11, not so much. The last of the 4 major expansions was in 2007. Since then they've only received 3 smaller add-on scenarios.

    Eve Online has had 13 major expansions to date.

    Everquest has had 17.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:13 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Don't forget about World of Warcraft... pretty big support base there for all it's flaws

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    Comment by alidan
    13:27 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    everquest also had far more in game support and events until luclin. up till than one of the bigger draws was people gm's would take the role as a enemy and players would over come them, and there were allot of smaller events like trying to kill a gm to gms attempting to solo mobs in the game that players couldn't take out with full guilds backing them up (mayon mistmore) and also had an accomplished end game.

    this has however changed sense luclin where gms only deal with bugs now and when players have a major in game fight over shit happening. its also been for raid players mostly for a while now too, as the group content while high end, nothing changes mid game anymore, so there is very little incentive to reply the game up.

    and even sense id like to say luclin (the 3th expantion) but i think it only really came into play during gates of discord, or during omens of war, where players had to aa (alternate advancement) instead of gaining levels. now back than raid took 800 aa to get into the good guilds. back than getting that much aa could take up to 3 months of playing and a year casually, and 400 was necessary for grouping.

    and they kept on one upping how hard and much aa you need to be a viable character.

    now they have a broken system, where aa is more important then level (a level 60 could easily go toe to toe with equally equipped level 90, and if the 60 has just 50-100aa (for level 60 its recommended to have 500, and for 90 2500minimum he will win)

    the only reason this is ok and the game is still going is because most of the people have at least 1 character they can play in close to the end game.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:32 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Final Fantasy is not an RPG, it is an interactive story with stats

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    Comment by HouseLife
    05:04 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (+0.2)

    And that's exactly what we want if you want to generalize it like that. I find it hard to believe the XBOX generation is so pointlessly out of it when it comes to story. They're the same people who are like "If I wanted a story, I'd read a book" when they haven't read a book since they were forced to by their teacher in class. We CAN read a book, but we want to see these magical 'books' you speak of from the perspective of a hundred artists with talent we alone will never ever possess.

    RPGs have varying levels of gameplay, but people don't treat them correctly. You are in it for the character, story, environment and atmosphere. The gameplay will be there in multiple forms depending on the game, but to claim they're an 'interactive story with stats' as if it's a bad thing is counter intuitive. ...and incorrect for that matter.

    Comment by Anonymous
    21:12 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    FFX imo was the last one to make some sense out of an rpg

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    Comment by AlucardsQuest
    13:57 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Especially since the stories have been pulled out of Squenix's ass since FF8. In watching SpoonyOne's review of FF8 & 10 none of the characters, their actions, nor motivations make any sense.

    Comment by Anonymous
    08:02 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I think the "Roll Play" in RPG was most likely taken from the Movie/stage Play terminology were one played a roll. No mater how much they wanted to in most plays/movie the actors couldn't change the story set by the writers for there character. Just as we the players cant change the story set by the programmers for our character in a "JRPG".

    So these "WRPG"s where you get to decide the story/make your own store are not the "True RPG"s, they are IMHO further from it than other RPGs.

    I think the reason western game makers are trying to say that "JRPG"s are not RPGs is because they want to keep/clam the fans of RPG as there own, while expanding there player base to those who had tryed "JRPG"s and didnt like them.

    IMHO "WRPJ"s these days are action games with stats, not as RPGs.

    Comment by Anonymous
    09:36 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    u might be correct in your analysis, but i think the debate of what truly is an RPG or not should stop all together.In fact it debating any game for falling into any genre is quite pointless.

    genre is a synopsis, not a definition.
    you go to a book store, walk to the genre/section you would generally read, but that doesn't mean the content of the books are all identical in format; there's always some variation, be a plot twist or a hybrid of two or more genres.

    same should go for games. What matters isn't what genre it's in, it's if the game is fun to play. as along as a game is fun to play, it's a good game.

    obviously, the last 10 years, square enix has been focusing way too much on graphics and have been lacking in game innovation, ironically, it is this type of "genre-typing" that keeps JRPGs going any further than what they were.
    on the other hand, those who pick on JRPG in the west will likely run into that trap soon after they get too cocky on their own.

    Comment by Anonymous
    10:01 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You mean "Role Play", "Roll Play" is a derogatory term used to describe worthless players who only pay attention to numbers instead of playing their characters.

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    Comment by Renzo
    10:44 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I'd prefer to say 'Troll play', perhaps the true FINAL (chapter of) Fantasy

    Comment by Anonymous
    13:20 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    @Anon 10:01 28/10: Lol sorry my spelling sucks

    @Anon 09:36 28/10: I agree with all you said (especially the part about them concentrating to much on the graphics), my comment was in reply to Final Fantasy not being an RPG.

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    Comment by Schrobby
    01:05 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Player numbers are dropping? Not surprising. Once free play ends they will really drop. The statistics will be a sight to behold.

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    Comment by yaku
    04:18 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not even the cute lolis in the game could save it.

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    Comment by POKI
    07:38 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not even the furries...

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    Comment by TehBoringOne
    08:38 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Not even Rie Tanaka advertising it for (probably) free.

    Comment by Anonymous
    19:33 01/11/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Yeah, no kidding, this game is a joke, was a joke, will be a joke. I played the trial for about 5 hours total -- even that was more than I needed to know the game was going to be a massive pile of c.rap

    Comment by Anonymous
    01:47 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Shame too... Was thinking of getting into an MMO again and I was looking forward to this title until all the horror stories arose...

    I think Sankaku saved me 60$ and a week's worth of gaming since the first few articles about beta XD

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:47 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Just wait for Diablo 3 instead man...

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    Comment by TehBoringOne
    08:37 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Maybe this'll get the message through.


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    Comment by Kwonnie
    08:18 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Oh, man... can't WAIT to see the graph after trial ends.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:50 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    You needed Sankaku to realize this game was going to be bad? Shit could be seen from a mile away, I don't get how so many people bought the game and were genuinely surprised when it sucked.

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    Comment by Riiku
    02:28 29/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Diablo 3, Guild Wars 2 ??

    Screw MMOs entirely and wait for Portal 2.

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    Comment by Seil
    08:44 01/11/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    yea, not forgetting it's freakin hard to even sign up to play the game, the whole asia/oceanic continent is missing in the registration form, thankfully i can say now. SE loves us i guess.

    if any of you are holding SE stock, i guess u should dump them.

    Comment by Anonymous
    20:56 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wait for Wakfu, it'll be good hopefully

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    Comment by AlucardsQuest
    13:54 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Screw Diablo 3, Guild Wars 2 is where it's at!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:52 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Square Enix, you can still save this game. Slut it up!!!

    Comment by Anonymous
    07:52 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Well put sir.

    As I said to my friends when winning a poker game against a girl A.I. host, STRIP!!! 8D

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    Comment by brningpyre
    05:27 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Who would've thought releasing shitty games was bad for business?

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    Comment by chad001
    05:32 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Wow.. about 45,000 people were actually stupid enough to buy AND play this game?!??! For an entire 3 weeks no less. Disappointment.

    Comment by Anonymous
    06:30 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    thousands have bought ff XIII, you know. the world is full of stu.. surprises :)

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    Comment by alidan
    08:37 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    i wish everyone would have trolled this game.
    bought it, played it for however long it was free, just to fuck with sony, than stopped, god would they have shit themselves hard if the game went from 1 million to a few thousand in a day.

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    Comment by Gekokujou
    17:43 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    *fuck with SE


    Comment by Anonymous
    09:03 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    hey if they make this a free mmo, maybe i'll buy it

    Comment by Anonymous
    05:14 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    I don't care if they make shitty games... just don't call them "Final Fantasy".

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    Comment by Remilia
    02:53 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    Its over, Square is finshed. Etc.

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:28 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    That's some gradual decline there. It should eventually stabilize, although by then...

    Comment by Anonymous
    02:32 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    i want square soft back

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:32 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    of course it drops -_-

    the free trials are ending, lol.

    thanks captain obvious.

    Comment by Anonymous
    04:58 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    The earliest free trials won't run out until November 21st'ish.

    Comment by Anonymous
    03:51 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    solution: TONS of yuri

    and better gameplay mechanics

    but mostly the yuri

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    Comment by Gligarman
    05:15 28/10/2010 # ! Neutral (0)

    What more is there to say except that Square has officially lost its credibility. They'll have to earn it back. They can start by finishing Final Fantasy Versus XIII.

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