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uber phallus said:
Just curious, how many enemies/friends does China have?
It has a friend in me. *nods* Yes.
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*Facepalm* how am I not surprised by china's response.
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China will be the next superpower country, this is the fact.
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intratec said:
China will be the next superpower country, this is the fact.yep, just hopefully it stays peaceful
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calister said:
yep, just hopefully it stays peaceful
Yeah, 'cause China is hella peaceful as it is...
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intratec said:
China will be the next superpower country, this is the fact.There are some hoops the country has to do first (like not have their government be communist), but once they get through those then the possibility is there. However, their government is pretty stubborn.
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so u guys really think china can beat russia in a war?
are you insane?
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I am not chinese, and I had never heard of this guy. However, I think it is a bad idea to give the peace prize to somebody considered as a criminal somewhere else.
The best way to illustrate this is to put yourselves in their shoes. Suppose they decided to give the peace prize to Osama Bin Laden. Do you think the US government would agree with that?
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Osama bin Laden is literally a hero though. Death to AmeriKKKa imho
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Peter Barton said:
There are some hoops the country has to do first (like not have their government be communist), but once they get through those then the possibility is there. However, their government is pretty stubborn.
Well, the Soviet Union was communist. And it was a superpower. And you can argue that China is a superpower now. Wait- is the definition of superpower in this thread the most powerful superpower?
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the-envoy said:
Wait- is the definition of superpower in this thread the most powerful superpower?
i guess the most aggressiv one
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Why do people think that China is evil?
imaslut said:
so u guys really think china can beat russia in a war?are you insane?
The Bear and the Dragon were never friends. But obviously Russia will crush China if there is a war.
But now I hope there won't be any war in Asia, I'm still expecting more Anime from Japan.
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russia and china will never go to war with each other because they both have nukes. the only retards dumb enough to escalate things to M.A.D. levels are israel and the US
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A Russia China war would put the whole world on fire.
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worstposterever said:
russia and china will never go to war with each other because they both have nukes. the only retards dumb enough to escalate things to M.A.D. levels are israel and the USI think Israel might just enjoy the show and hoping that the Messiah is coming soon to clean up after US escalate things to MAD level.
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dirtypair said:
i guess the most aggressiv one
Then US and China (if only in threats) qualifies.
My country wishes to become aggressive superpower too, but we do not have flight technology or nukes - that is why they sent me here to represent country over internet - we are too poor to fund many ambassadors in many countries.
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maid said:
I am not chinese, and I had never heard of this guy. However, I think it is a bad idea to give the peace prize to somebody considered as a criminal somewhere else.The best way to illustrate this is to put yourselves in their shoes. Suppose they decided to give the peace prize to Osama Bin Laden. Do you think the US government would agree with that?
It's not the first time it's been awarded to a political 'criminal' who was behind bars at the time. It was also awarded to Nelson Mandela, and Daw Aung San Suu Kyi (Burma/Myanmar).
China jailed Liu Xiaobo for criticizing the government, not for theft or some kind of actual crime.
As for Osama Bin Laden, what has he ever done to deserve a peace prize? (this is where an idiot would say, "What about Obama?", but that's avoiding the point)
How would Osama Bin Laden fit their criteria?I understand you want to try to be sensational or shocking, but that's just ridiculous. You can try to compare him to other generals or war-mongers who've been nominated or won, but he doesn't fit into that category.
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brningpyre said:
It's not the first time it's been awarded to a political 'criminal' who was behind bars at the time. It was also awarded to Nelson Mandela, and Daw Aung San Suu Kyi (Burma/Myanmar).
China jailed Liu Xiaobo for criticizing the government, not for theft or some kind of actual crime.
As for Osama Bin Laden, what has he ever done to deserve a peace prize? (this is where an idiot would say, "What about Obama?", but that's avoiding the point)
How would Osama Bin Laden fit their criteria?I understand you want to try to be sensational or shocking, but that's just ridiculous. You can try to compare him to other generals or war-mongers who've been nominated or won, but he doesn't fit into that category.
I'm not trying to be sensational nor shocking. As I mentioned before, I have absolutely no idea who the guy is, and why is he imprisoned. I actually don't care at all.
What I'm saying is that irrespective of whether the guy deserved the prize or not (once again, I don't know and I don't care) I think these things should be very diplomatic, as not everybody sees things exactly the same way you do.
It may be hard to believe, but there are many circumstances and many places in the world in which "criticizing the government" is a much more grave thing than killing somebody. The fact that you don't think like that doesn't mean everybody else has to think like you.
Once again, whether he deserved the prize is irrelevant. I find this a very undiplomatic political attempt at trying to force China into releasing this man. Meddling into other countries' internal affairs is a practice way too many countries have, and should really end.
And also, are you chinese? do you have any additional information about this person and why is he incarcerated, apart from what your local TV station shows you? Opinion is a matter of manipulating information, and you base your opinion on this man based on the information you get, which I am 100% sure is not nearly half of the truth.
So if you want to really give interesting opinions, then at least make sure you hear both parts of the story. If not, then please do shut up. I am way too fed up with people giving opinions on what they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.
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maid said:
...I highly doubt this will lead to Liu getting released. If anything, it will get his sentence extended.
In this case, it's relatively easy to hear many sides of the story. One, given by the Chinese government. Two, given by Liu's supporters. Three, given by other media sources.
I'm proud of the Nobel Peace Prize committee for having the balls to stand up to China's overly-aggressive behaviour in its recent foreign relations.
There is a difference between diplomacy and appeasement. Choosing not to appease and pander to China's aggresive foreign relations demands is one form of diplomacy, just as Japan's choice to surrender the "Sankaku Islands boat captain" was another form of diplomacy.
Norway's parliament-appointed Nobel committee chose not to take a path of appeasement, and decided to (indirectly) criticize China's decisions and human rights record. Japan's administration, on the other hand, chose to appease China's aggressive and un-founded demands, and released the captain of a boat that rammed their Coast Guard ships.
Both are diplomatic actions, they just happen to exist on different ends of the diplomacy spectrum, between appeasement and confrontation.
If there is anything that history teaches us, it's that it is not always a wise idea to appease an aggresive new super-power. Has Japan chosen to become a "Neville Chamberlain"? That depends on how China continues to pursue foreign relations in the near future.
(to be clear, I'm not comparing China's current administration to the Nazis)
As for the specific personal notes you made:
maid said:
It may be hard to believe, but there are many circumstances and many places in the world in which "criticizing the government" is a much more grave thing than killing somebody. The fact that you don't think like that doesn't mean everybody else has to think like you.I am well aware that, under many tyrants and despots, criticizing the government is a serious crime. However, that doesn't make it right or wrong.
I believe that opposing a tyrannical and oppressive administration is the right thing to do. Therefore, I support Liu's actions in opposing the censorship and oppression that the Chinese government has been to shown to use many, many times, over a number of years, by a number of different sources.
Obviously, not everyone thinks the same way as me. It'd be pretty damn boring if they did, though I'd probably still find a way to disagree with myself...
maid said:
Once again, whether he deserved the prize is irrelevant. I find this a very undiplomatic political attempt at trying to force China into releasing this man. Meddling into other countries' internal affairs is a practice way too many countries have, and should really end.It's (somewhat) ironic that you oppose foreign countries meddling in the matters of other sovereign nations, and yet seem to forget that it is China's meddling in the affairs of Norway that caused this to be such a huge issue in the first place. China made the usual threats against Norway, in much the same way as it had in the past, but Norway simply didn't allow China to meddle in her affairs, and made a ballsy choice in spite of Chinese opposition.
maid said:
And also, are you chinese? do you have any additional information about this person and why is he incarcerated, apart from what your local TV station shows you? Opinion is a matter of manipulating information, and you base your opinion on this man based on the information you get, which I am 100% sure is not nearly half of the truth.The irony in this statement is that you are 100% sure there is more to the story, despite (by your own admittance) not knowing anything about the matter in question.
Solipsism has some solid logical points, to be sure; but it's hardly a way to form an argument. My own personal method is to pursue as many valid points of view as I can, get as much information as I can, check into it, and then form an opinion. It's tough to be 100% sure of anything, even when you're an expert in the field - but this doesn't prevent us from ever having an opinion or argument.
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And no, I'm not Chinese.
tl;dr
- Appeasement is a form of diplomacy, just as confrontation is.
- I'm not Chinese.
- It's important to find out as much information about a topic you want to argue on as possible.
- It's impossible to know 100% of everything on many issues, but this shouldn't stop you from arguing on its points, assuming you have done some research.
- Awarding Liu the peace prize is not likely to get him released.Posted 5 years ago # -
maid said:
Meddling into other countries' internal affairs is a practice way too many countries have, and should really end.
well you can't think that applies for ever circumstance can you?
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