I really like reading visual novels in my spare time. I have read a lot...these are the ones I can remember off the top of my head...
The Best:
Clannad (My Favorite)
Family Project (2nd Favorite)
Ever17 (Other 2nd Favorite...)
Snow Sakura
The Good:
Kanon
Kira*Kira
Fate/Stay Night
Yumi Miru Kesuri
Kana ~Little Sister~
The OK:
Sagara Family
Snow Drop
The Bad:
Hitomi Stepsister
My To Play List:
Sharin no Kuni, Himawari no Shōjo
CrossChannel
Remember11
Chaos;Head
Some really solid ones
Fate/Stay Night
Wanko to Kurasou
Kira*Kira
Edelweiss
Soul Link
YinYang X-Change Alternative
Sharin no Kuni, Himawari no Shōjo
Utawarerumono
I also really recommend checking out the Koihime Musou demo, despite Artefact's extreme troll of a blog entry.
Since we're talking about it... I must be the only person out there who didn't like Yume Miru Kusuri. It constantly bounced between being retardedly implausible and plain retarded.
zero caliber, thank you for that awesome list. I am adding everything on it to my vndb wishlist. just curious tho, have you not played soul link or shuffle! or did they just not leave an impression?
sifian said:
Since we're talking about it... I must be the only person out there who didn't like Yume Miru Kusuri. It constantly bounced between being retardedly implausible and plain retarded.
eh, you might be, I think It's just popular because of it's great characters, diverse paths, and good h scenes. Also I love it's scene playback menu, it's the only one I've seen that actually includes EVERY scene not just the endings and h scenes. but I agree with you that parts of it are pretty unlikely (esp the student council prez's path).
Currently on my play list:
Clannad (need to play arcs)
Fate/Stay Night
Kira*Kira
Yin Yang X-Change Alternative (Best X-Change title!)
Wanko to Kurasou
Edelweiss
Family Project
Heart de Roomate
Discipline
Bible Black
Seeking these later:
Shuffle!
Saya no Uta
Kana~Little Sister~
sifian said:
I also really recommend checking out the Koihime Musou demo, despite Artefact's extreme troll of a blog entry.
Despite Arty-Bunker's entry regrading about the game. It had turned me off for some blunders on graphic scenes that could have been looked at. Still I may reconsider of picking it up, since you highly "recommend" it. :P
Since we're talking about it... I must be the only person out there who didn't like Yume Miru Kusuri. It constantly bounced between being retardedly implausible and plain retarded.
I had to search the game to see what It was. After reading a brief summary of the game. Sounds like your standard high-school dating sim game. I can only imagine that the main character's relationship being over emotional taking into account the the setting is in high-school?
Fate/Stay Night
Fate/hollow ataraxia
Tsukihime
Clannad
Narcissu
Saya no Uta
Chaos;Head
Galaxy Angel
Sekien no Inganock -What a Beautiful People-
The Noose
Umineko no Naku Koro ni
Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni
Dual Phase Soukakurou
The Fucking Question
Katawa Shoujo
Taimanin Asagi
Dustmania Grotesque
Bible Black
see lots of ppl played kazoku keikaku, any one know who wrote the dialogue for it? i just started it yesterday and I rly like his style, kinda un-serious, and how he makes aside comments about the things the characters say in parenthesis. any way I checked my fave recourse for that kinda thing, vndb, but they didn't have any information about the production staff, and wikipedia doesn't even have an article for it...
**well actually, come to think of it, it could very well be the translator's comments but w/e I'd still like to know
Quite a few vn I read but still not enough ^^
Favorites:
Saya no Uta ♡, Umineko no Naku Koro ni, Fate/stay night, Clannad, Planetarian
Sengoku Rance <- not really a vn but fucking awesome and full of GARness :D
Rest:
Sharin no Kuni Himawari no Shoujo, True Remembrance, Sekien no Inganock, Chäos;Head, Narcissu, Tsukihime, Kagetsu Tohya, Ever17, Kanon, One, Wanko to Kurasou, Da Capo, Kira Kira, Edelweiss, Yume Miru Kusuri, Crescendo, Maysky, Leaves, Negaeba, Princess Waltz, Snow Sakura, Brass Restoration, Bible Black, Utawarumono, Tears to Tiara
just started: Recettear - An Item Shops Tale - thanks for the tip Artefact :P
VN on my computer and not found the time to read them yet or still trying to get them to work (like ef -.-):
Cross Channel, ef, Kana ~little sister, Remember11, Symphonic Rain
higurashiki said:
Btw anyone know some good visual novels translated in English? It would also be helpful if ya can give the link to where you dled it.
A good source for translated vn (if you don't want to/can't buy them and support the creators) is for example fakku:
http://www.fakku.net/viewtopic.php?t=28831
or maybe this site I found recently:
http://erogedownload.com/
k1nq said:
eh, you might be, I think It's just popular because of it's great characters, diverse paths, and good h scenes. Also I love it's scene playback menu, it's the only one I've seen that actually includes EVERY scene not just the endings and h scenes. but I agree with you that parts of it are pretty unlikely (esp the student council prez's path).
lol... Student Council prez was the one path that I did like. The themes were supposedly
1) Bullying
2) Drugs
3) Interpersonal Relationships
Which was a wholly inaccurate depiction of what really happens. It's really:
1) Coping with daily criminal assault
2) Tolerating an idiot for the sex
3) Fun with a wealthy delinquent
It's still decent when viewed as a sexromp, but seemed less compelling than even titles like The Sagara Family, and more in line with the likes of Bazooka Cafe. I did a video review of the VN which I haven't gotten around to uploading yet... maybe I should.
LuciferOniichan said:
Still I may reconsider of picking it up, since you highly "recommend" it. :P
Heh, I wasn't even thinking about the lame ass referral program MG is trying to foster when I said that- I'm sure everyone here is just going to pirate it anyways. Even without voices, the action scenes are in line with FSN (which I also played unvoiced) and the music is superb. I was really pissed off when I got to the "Thank you for playing" screen.
To everyone who has ever read Saya no Uta:
Am I the only person who believes Saya never loved Fuminori, but just used him so "she" could reproduce?
No, Saya didn't didn't need a relationship in order to reproduce, she just needed a wide spectrum sampling of genetic code such that she could manufacture the proper seed to overtake the existing biosphere with minimal effort. She probably could have started immediately reproducing and conquering through brute force, but instead chose the covert option, requiring more initial time investment, but less overall energy.
One could argue that she didn't truly love him because she's not human or even mammal, and therefore is only approximating love. It's the same question of whether or not an AI has real emotions or is it just meaningless code?
sifian said:
No, Saya didn't didn't need a relationship in order to reproduce, she just needed a wide spectrum sampling of genetic code such that she could manufacture the proper seed to overtake the existing biosphere with minimal effort. She probably could have started immediately reproducing and conquering through brute force, but instead chose the covert option, requiring more initial time investment, but less overall energy.One could argue that she didn't truly love him because she's not human or even mammal, and therefore is only approximating love. It's the same question of whether or not an AI has real emotions or is it just meaningless code?
I viewed is as deception. Saya knew what "she" was doing the entire time and was using Fuminori's condition to forward her plans. After having studied human nature through text books and other materials, she decided to be "female" to attract a male specimen for sperm to acquire DNA. When Dr. what's his face refused (It's never said, but hinted), he's suddenly gone and Saya is roaming the hospital, looking for another male to acquire sperm from, but everyone feared "her" so she couldn't get close to anyone. It wasn't until Fuminori approached her, viewing her as a young girl, that "she" was able to get her plans rolling again.
I think the "cute little girl" personality was all an act, or if she ever really said anything nice to him at all, considering everything perceived as nice and good in the world is the opposite to him. That would explain why Yo asked Fuminori to have sex with him constantly after having been transformed, but was quick to say "kill me" when Koji arrived to kill Saya.
The problem with that scenerio is I don't see any reason why saya would have needed human dna. If all she needs is DNA samples, she could have just gone around harvesting other mammalian testicles through force...
Or if human dna is somehow superior, why go the roundabout way? Why not rob a sperm bank and be done with it?
sifian said:
The problem with that scenerio is I don't see any reason why saya would have needed human dna. If all she needs is DNA samples, she could have just gone around harvesting other mammalian testicles through force...Or if human dna is somehow superior, why go the roundabout way? Why not rob a sperm bank and be done with it?
Then there's no story.
The scenario is the same if you view it the way I do or if you read the story for face value. Saya needed sperm to get genetic coding. Face value, it seems she's in love with Fuminori and has sex with him for sperm. In my perspective, she is using Fuminori to obtain his sperm.
Occam's Razor.
I can't say that your reasoning is wrong, but I don't think its basis is more likely than the face value. In any event, I think that even if she didn't love him, she did like his company and sought out his best interest, even if she might have had ulterior motives.
Actually, the more I think about it, the less it makes sense. She obviously didn't want to raped by their neighbor, but if she only views humans as tools, she would have readily accepted his genetic deposit without resistance.
I may be in the minority for this, but I think saya really did love fuminori. she never showed any particularly special interest in reproduction before meeting him, and it's not like she couldn't have without him either. also if reproduction was her only goal she could have achieved it easily by force, there would have been no need to experiment on fuminori's neighbor in the first place, much less resist being raped by him. also if you play through the alternative ending where fuminori lets saya fix his brain, she disappears afterwords and doesn't let him see her, only communicating with him through texts.
I don't know if I think their love for each other is so pure though, because they both needed eachother, saya knew noone was capable of ever loving her except fuminori (she even tried to make his neighbor love her but it backfired) and of course fuminori was incapable of loving anyone except saya. and of course both of their morals were awful etc. etc. but the bottom line is that I think they really did love eachother.
k1nq said:
I may be in the minority for this, but I think saya really did love fuminori.
It's what the writer intended, so I doubt that's the minority opinion.
Also, just to help further the discussion, it has to be decided on whether or not Saya was a child or had child-like thinking. If so, all of her actions were based on naivety, a want to help the person they love and to express that in the purest way, even if it's messed up from our point of view.
Also, remember that she was looking for her father.
If Saya was not, then the above discussions are valid. And everyone can speculate on what could have happened.
Yucchi said:
It's what the writer intended, so I doubt that's the minority opinion.
Also, just to help further the discussion, it has to be decided on whether or not Saya was a child or had child-like thinking. If so, all of her actions were based on naivety, a want to help the person they love and to express that in the purest way, even if it's messed up from our point of view.
Also, remember that she was looking for her father.
If Saya was not, then the above discussions are valid. And everyone can speculate on what could have happened.
well saya would have only been a few years old during the story and she only knew things about humanity that she'd learned during her studies with the professor, so in that sense she WAS inexperienced, but at the same time her actual mental age was probably a lot closer to a full grown adult's (and an exceptionally intelligent one at that). so I certainly agree that she was ignorant about many things but I don't think that it would be fair to say her thinking was childlike. does that make sense?
Elementary definition of love:
Saya benefits emotionally(and maybe otherwise) from Fuminori and Fuminori benefits emotionally(and maybe otherwise) from Saya. As long as it's symbiotic <=> Love.
( "Love", as in an attribut used to describe a relationship between two entities. )
No need to abstract love that much. It's nature is purely contractual.
As long as 1.[S benefits from F] and 2.[F benefits from S] are true, we can say that [love] is true, too.
2. is obviously true. No discussion needed. Only proving 1. is left. With proper citation that is. No "but I feel this way" stuff!
Go go go Sankaku!
@Sifian
"One could argue that she didn't truly love him because she's not human or even mammal, and therefore is only approximating love. It's the same question of whether or not an AI has real emotions or is it just meaningless code?"
You are...unbelievably naive. "approximating love"?
If it weren't for your sexy voice...
loli in a box said:
You are...unbelievably naive. "approximating love"?
If it weren't for your sexy voice...
Hey now, that's not my argument, it's one that comes up in sci-fi a lot. I've always found the idea repugnant as it's code regardless, whether it's an electrochemical coding in animals or digital electronic coding in machines.
k1nq said:
For her mental age... well, intelligence doesn't equal mature thinking. Plus, the fact that she's a biological WMD, it's safer to assume she's closer to AI: Super intelligent and incredibly stupid.
So, what makes AI seem more adult- or child-like? I say experience.
If we go by that, what does that make Saya? Child-like.
Again, it's all assumptions. Her origin was left blank on purpose to emphasize her mystique, so we're all left guessing on what she is. Or what she could be thinking.
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