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Tite Kubo "Make a manga better than Bleach!"

  1. Unknown said:
    Why would you read something you don't like?
    I would just drop it and look for something new. I wouldn't complain like some spoiled child.

    Does it matter why I read it? If I liked it, does it make my opinion any more true than if I didn't? If I said I bought the manga and then dropped the series, but made the exact same points about why I didn't like it, would that be any different? The way I see it, the answer to all of those should be no.

    If you disagree with my opinion, then go ahead and destroy my points, prove they're wrong (show other people it's good), but don't go and say I shouldn't have an opinion because I don't buy the series or I don't like it.

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  2. refill said:
    Does it matter why I read it?

    I'd assume you would question the things you do.

    refill said:
    If I liked it, does it make my opinion any more true than if I didn't?

    No.
    And that wasn't relative to my question.

    refill said:
    If I said I bought the manga and then dropped the series, but made the exact same points about why I didn't like it, would that be any different? The way I see it, the answer to all of those should be no.

    If you disagree with my opinion, then go ahead and destroy my points, prove they're wrong (show other people it's good), but don't go and say I shouldn't have an opinion because I don't buy the series or I don't like it.

    Dohoho, you can have your opinion but you don't need to post it--especially when you are getting it for free. Because then you are just being childish and an asshole (not the good kind :P).

    Also, I don't think Tite Kubo is going to change his storyline/drawing style because some people want it their way instead of his.

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  3. Unknown said:
    Dohoho, you can have your opinion but you don't need to post it--especially when you are getting it for free. Because then you are just being childish and an asshole (not the good kind :P).

    See that is exactly what I don't get. Why does me reading it for free or not matter? If I did buy it, I wouldn't be any more/less entitled to complain. And you're calling me childish and an asshole for stating my opinion on Bleach in a thread about Kubo? I'm not calling people morons for liking Bleach, I'm stating why I don't like it. What's the point in having a forum if you don't have different views. All you're doing is telling me to shut up.


    Also, I don't think Tite Kubo is going to change his storyline/drawing style because some people want it their way instead of his.

    Are you saying I shouldn't say my opinion on it because he'll never read it?

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  4. Ah~
    More questions.

    refill said:
    Why does me reading it for free or not matter? If I did buy it, I wouldn't be any more/less entitled to complain.

    If you buy it, you lost money therefore you're entitled to complain because you paid for it. And if you didn't pay for it then you are just complaining for the sake of complaining.

    refill said:
    And you're calling me childish and an asshole for stating my opinion on Bleach in a thread about Kubo?

    This can also be applied to everyday life--I'll give you an example. Let's say you went to a non-invitational party and people brought food (and a few didn't). A person who brought nothing tastes the food and doesn't like any. He says out loud "GOD THIS FOOD IS TERRIBLE" and then complains to everyone near ear range how he doesn't like any of the foods brought. Now tell me, wouldn't that person seem like an asshole?

    refill said:
    What's the point in having a forum if you don't have different views. All you're doing is telling me to shut up.

    Dohoho.

    refill said:
    Are you saying I shouldn't say my opinion on it because he'll never read it?

    More on the lines of 'its his manga not yours hes not making you read it, quit your complaining'.

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  5. refill said:

    Why does me reading it for free or not matter?

    Think of it like this. Pretend that you paid for a movie and didn't like it. You were a customer not liking the product you were sold so you complain to the creator. You're entitled because you paid for something and don't like it.

    Now, let's say you steal a movie and didn't like it. So you go complain to the creator of the movie because you did not enjoy it. You stole the movie, so you paid nothing to see it. You are not entitled to complain that the movie sucks.

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  6. Random e-complaining about stuff one didn't pay for are just as important as those typed, written or otherwise made visible by people who actually paid for it.

    Someone might be thinking of paying for the product, and then have second thoughts after reading these complaints. Doesn't necessarily mean the person was one to change his views and make decisions based on every single little thing he read on the internet, just that the opinion he read might bring up something this potential buyer didn't think of at first.

    Also, I don't see why said complaint's value was any lower than the complaints driven on the original complainer's face; as long as it's not against the rules. Complain vs. complain, and no one paid anything to anyone - and I know I'm starting to sound lame there.

    And why bring something like the non-invitational party, people bringing food and some of the cheap chaps complaining about the terrible food others brought.. Has something that extreme really even happened here? Can you really even compare internet discussion to a real life party?

    I see all this complaining about complaining as nothing more than an overreaction. Like if you were in a room, full of people who are ready to share their opinions with everyone and discuss about their shared interests. And then you gave someone a piece of paper and asked them to read it, without even mentioning anything about it being your opinion and not a fact or anything, and they just turned their back and started complaining about your opinions and ways in life, calling you childish and an asshole. And, of course, the volume of all this far exceed any sort of good limits.
    But then again, what I just thought of doesn't really work either. Who cares.

    Of course, crying and making a scene where you will complain, bash down to the ground and pretty much just burn a product you got for free and didn't like - THAT is childish. Absolutely no need for that. Just quietly saying one's opinion isn't exactly the same thing, in my opinion.

    Asshole is just too vague a word to really even say anything to it. I'm an asshole, the complainer is an asshole, the One Who Complained about the complainer's complaints is an asshole, the neighbour's dog is an asshole... let's all be assholes. Makes it all a whole lot easier.

    That being said, I loved this:

    motaku96 said:

    Oh you~

    If you buy the manga, then you have a right to complain. Since you're paying for the services. If your reading it for free, be quiet. :3

    The subtle wave of calmness and composure in that post... Nice one:3
    And in a way, that is a good point as well. I just think that completely burying people's opinions based only on their decisions on how they use their money is a bit too much. As long as they don't act like what they say is the one and only truth, absolutely just smash it down your throat AND as long as they're the kind who are willing to pay for stuff they like, why not let them have their little post in the corner, just like anyone else.
    ZombieMan's way of putting it was never really the ideal. Been looking at some of his posts and they are all pretty much full of overreacting and sometimes even making a scene about it without really giving out a good reason to do so.

    And I know I'm quite good at overreaction as well. What was I even complaining about? I don't know. You figure it out. Maybe it'll give someone an inspiration to do something nice. Like stare out of the window, at the sky so high and the trees so tall, only to figure out that you're wasting your time. But it might be relaxing, and thus well worth it.
    Or maybe this way of relaxing isn't perfect? I think sharing one's opinion, discussing about it, making constructive criticism and complaining about stuff - and whether this all should be accepted - is all relative to the time and place, and how you actually do it. A certain scream post about Bleach sucking earlier in the thread makes me surprised it hasn't gotten even more criticism on it. But a certain post later on in this thread got way too much attention for simply stating an opinion, and in quite a calm and good way.

    Just let it go, is it really worth wasting your time? Or that's what I'd like to say. I'm not one to complain about people complaining about complaining. I'll just share my views, take my load of name-calling and whatever I can get out of it and move on :3

    I hope you didn't waste too much time reading this massive load of randomness :S

    Ah, and I will pay for Bleach, once it's all complete. I don't have the money yet and have a ton of other stuff I need to pay for first, so bare with me and my childish ways for now. Please don't call me an asshole too often, because it tends to lose its value for when you'd actually use it for a good reason.

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  7. Peter Barton said:
    Now, let's say you steal a movie and didn't like it. So you go complain to the creator of the movie because you did not enjoy it. You stole the movie, so you paid nothing to see it. You are not entitled to complain that the movie sucks.

    That depends on what I'm saying. If I say to the director "why the hell did you waste my time with this movie?" then that isn't fair. If I say for instance, Dracula going into space and marrying an alien is a stupid plot point, it doesn't matter if I paid for it.

    @Unknown
    Your example fails, because in your example person complains about people who brought food which is analogous to people who buy Bleach. I'm not complaining about people who buy Bleach.
    Everything else is pretty much just going in circles so this is it for me. Let me put is as simple as I can. If you disagree, I have nothing more to say. According to you, anybody who has negative comments but hasn't bought the series should shut up. That means anybody who posts in a thread about "most retarded anime/manga" or "anime/manga you hate" but hasn't bought said series shouldn't be able to complain. Hell, nobody should be able to say K-ON!! is a stupid moeblob that's not funny or entertaining because they haven't bought the DVDs. I say that's stupid. You, apparently disagree.

    It shouldn't matter, but I actually don't think Bleach is utter crap, although the omniscient Aizen and deus ex machina Hogyoku part is still stupid. The fact that I still read it should have been an obvious indicator.

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