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  1. So with all the related news and whatnot of Onemanga being shut-down, there hasn't been a thread yet for those to express their opinions on the whole concept of it. So what are you're thoughts on the whole manga piracy thing.

    My opinion:

    The basic problem is the spread of information through the internet.
    I mean look at Soul Eater. it was released in 2002, and didn't get a US release until 2009. That's a seven year difference. If companies just released things simultaneously, then there would be no reason for piracy. Or better yet, just do what Gonzo does and just make free anime for the internet and just do a simultaneous release.

    Besides, if ANY comics should be on the internet being read by other, it should be webcomics.
    There are MANY talented webcomic artists/writers
    that don't any support because the online scanslation sites are taking their "would be" fans
    with offering up official free pirated manga online.

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  2. giascle said:
    This discussion comes up every day, and always contains the same arguments and counter-arguments.

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  3. Well i personally HATE how theyc ensor in the u.s. release so i try and get the fansub/scanlation and then buy the official release when/if i can.

    I see the real problem as all the overpricing and censoring. Not to mention all the series that never get released. I'd wager that if they stopped censoring stopped overcharging(for manga) and started releasing all the series if even just online with subs again uncensored they would have no problems.

    On another not i personally also belive that the dmca should be rewritten to take into account various things. Such as making it legal to download unlicensed/unrealeased material(lke kodomo no jikan they licensed it but stopped realeasing it) another thing i would change is to make so if you paid for about 50% of your items that you can get in your country then your off the hook.

    tl;dr version(for thr illiterate)

    So i guess to summarize for the tldr people as long as you own half your electronic media legit you'd be clean and anything from other countries that are unobtainable are not counted toward total and are free to get.

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  4. I've never pirated a manga (never read an english manga either) but my thoughts are that US publishers are to blame. Overpricing, censoring, unreliability as to whether all volumes will be released. Honestly all this noise about scanlations makes me want download a few manga raws and try my hand at it.

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  5. the same fight again..............................more or less what sorrior and kurainichi have just said, seriously havn't we come to a understanding that the U.S. Publishers ain't doing a proper job. if it was operated by otakus, manga piracy wouldn't be a problem it is instead headed by those who only see money and are afraid to show content.

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  6. I believe it is also our countries fault for forcing these guys to precensor what kinda freedom is that i mean really.

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  7. Inb4 some sort of new 'Party of the United Otakus' forms in Canada and Europe, and American if there system works that way :P

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  8. Until they start making quality works worthy of earning some cheddar they have nothing to complain about. Whether one pays or pirates is no different than throwing a couple bucks a street musician's way or snubbing them. Just because they are polluting our society with their garbage doesn't mean we are obligated to compensate them for performing their craft.

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  9. Fact 1, we seem to magically assume because a business is in business, they have a fucking clue how to run a business.

    Businesses fail all the time. You just never see it.

    Fact 2, people WILL steal no matter how much you try to stop theft.
    That's why we have cops.

    In the case of anime and manga, well their culture is foreign to us in many ways. They simply don't think like us in many ways. It's not just in what they draw and what they say in the anime and manga.
    Their business attitudes are not the same either.

    WE think a lot of things make no sense. I suppose they think over unionized companies that end up buying all their goods from slave labour off shore third world countries is just dumb (they would be right of course).

    It's a shame we need to depend on just Japan to deliver our anime and manga, but then, the North American way is to let someone else do all the dirty work and then expect to buy it for peanuts in Walmart.

    So the fact it is made in Japan, and horribly expensive, just doesn't mix with our mindset.

    And thus we have younguns that will bitch about anime and manga being crazy prices. And they expect all that anime and manga, and they just think they are entitled to it, and and when they can't afford it they get annoyed.

    Newsflash, if you can't afford something, the proper response is too fucking bad. No one ever owed it to you.

    Now the internet of course messes things up. Because along comes the internet, and we don't actually need to buy the item, and unlike in my youth when stealing something involved several friends and you would shoplift and need to do it physically in person and risk getting caught.
    Which usually meant a record and juvenile detention and a bad reputation. All for some petty crap.

    Today kids adults, well off and poor anyone can download shit.
    We have more insistent bullshit justifications than can be counted. But at the end of the day, it's still fucking theft. And anyone denying this really is just a stupid fucking idiot in denial. The wording of your countries laws don't alter the fact you grabbed someone's property and ran off with it. Ya it isn't the original master recording. But it is a lost opportunity to get a sale. You don't need to buy and they won't get any money.

    So what is a company to do?
    Well improve the means of getting the product is so fucking obvious it's god damned painful.

    But being in business doesn't convey any automatic corporate IQ of worth. They are just as able to be stupid fucks like the people explaining how theft isn't theft.

    Thing is, the thieves are winning all the battles. Onemanga wasn't a battle, it wasn't even a fight. It was an easy to find training target.
    It accomplished only one thing. It means now, the new number 1 source will be someone else.

    People are not going to stop uploading content that is defacto stolen.
    It only ends when the companies decide to no longer sell the product.
    And that won't happen, as someone will always want to make money selling it.

    And all the dumb companies will fail while the smart ones adapt and survive.

    The sooner they make anime and manga wholely and entirely easy to obtain OUT of Japan, the sooner they can increase sales.
    And people that prefer to steal still well.

    Theft is not going anywhere. Only the sources change.

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  10. I think of it like anything else I pirate. It's on trial period and if I like it of course I'll buy it later on. If it is not good then I'll just delete it and move on, the lack of sales is supposed to motivate companies but unfortunately all it does is make the idiots of this planet lawsuit crazy.

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  11. They should crack down on the people who read manga at the bookstore and don't even buy it. They are the real pirates. That is a true example of potential sale lost.

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  12. How many times has this can of worms been opened here?
    If you are talking about manga piracy as in form of scanlations:
    They won't stop. No, not even if you try to sell manga digital and for really cheap. Why? Because if we can pirate something, we will pirate it.

    If the manga industry fails because of piracy, that's it. It's sad, but it will only prove that it wasn't cut out to exist in this day and age. We pirates will leech of the people who buy them until that day comes. Well, not that I believe it will happen, at least not to the Japanese industry. The English one can go to hell.

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  13. Palmtop Tiger said:
    They should crack down on the people who read manga at the bookstore and don't even buy it. They are the real pirates. That is a true example of potential sale lost.

    H-hey! Don't give them any ideas. Borders might ban me from their store.

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  14. motaku96 said:

    H-hey! Don't give them any ideas. Borders might ban me from their store.

    tsk tsk tsk, shame on you motaku, at least try and buy one volume a month.

    anyway, i only read manga online for things that i have no chance of finding here like the weekly naruto/one piece/bleach as well as others like fist of the north start and Rappi Rangai. if it isn't that i try to buy what i can.

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  15. loli in a box said:
    How many times has this can of worms been opened here?
    If you are talking about manga piracy as in form of scanlations:
    They won't stop. No, not even if you try to sell manga digital and for really cheap. Why? Because if we can pirate something, we will pirate it.

    If the manga industry fails because of piracy, that's it. It's sad, but it will only prove that it wasn't cut out to exist in this day and age. We pirates will leech of the people who buy them until that day comes. Well, not that I believe it will happen, at least not to the Japanese industry. The English one can go to hell.

    Ai AI MATIE!

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  16. There is no way I can defend manga piracy but there's no way that it's going to be completely put to a stop either. What manga creators have to do is focus on making their creations compelling enough to buy. I bought Princess Tutu DVDs because I liked the series so much I wanted I wanted support it. If you watch or read something for free and you didn't think it wasn't worth reading or viewing after doing so long enough, chances are you wouldn't buy it either way.

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  17. Fuck 2ch! The majority of the tittles that get licensed and released outside of Japan are fucking crap, and the good ones that do get released do so with such a lag its not even fucking funny. Sometimes several years between releases. We don't live in cultures saturated with Manga and Anime. In order to get our fix we watch fan subs and scanalations that are not made for money, but to support the community almost every single one has the words stop distribution on licensing. Here's my message for 2ch, be flattered we are enamored with your art and culture and get over yourselves.

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  18. Well piracy helps a lot too! People knew about Naruto or One Piece waaaay before came to America... so without Piracy people wouldn't have care about those titles at all!

    Seriously, how many of us here read manga or watch anime without paying for it?

    I bet that 80% of the site does that! And a lot of those people still buy the stuff that they like and know!

    I wouldn't buy something that I have no idea what it is, so read it first online for free and if I like it i would go back to the store and buy it!

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  19. If a manga is censored, badly translated, badly edited, badly printed, way to expensive, years late or simply not sold at all where I live piracy is the way to go.

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  20. Just like Schrobby said...
    I'm from Argentina, and the mangas we get here are a joke... I mean, a few months ago the only editorial that remains brought... Death Note, One Piece and Naruto. NOW.
    Who cares about that shit? Sorry, of course there's some people that do, but... Really? All that shit NOW? Besides the fact that they release a volume per month, even when there's not a good reason to delay it so much e___e

    Even if I wanted to, I wouldn't be able to buy any original mangas T^T
    Guess I'll have to breath MangaReader/Fox for now, how sad.

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