Hayami said:
I don't think so... Where did you get this info?
Google "Lawrence Allen Stanley". This may just be a coincidence though. I don't know if this is the same guy from NAMBLA.
Also, good to see you in that ANN thread. I don't have time for those trolls. That community also fails big time. They're so afraid of nipples there...
Tis a sad day to be american.
Michio said:
Chris Handley's lawyer has been arrested for child pornography before?
Michio said:
"Lawrence Allen Stanley".
Are you sure this Lawrence A. Stanley character is the same guy who is Handley's lawyer? I think you may be mistaken on that. There's a great article written by Stanley here:
http://www.comipress.com/special/miscellaneous/down-the-slippery-slope-the-crime-of-viewing-manga
In the comments, there's a discussion about whether or not the allegations against the author about child pornography are true, which Stanley denies. Check it out.
Daryl Surat said:
Per that link--and let's take this all with a grain of salt because The Washington Times is not exactly the most neutral of sources--the author of this essay was found guilty of buying and selling videos and photographs of kids...
Lawrence Stanley said:
You are correct, the Washington Times is an inaccurate source. I have never been convicted of any crime in connection with images depicting sexually explicit conduct of minors or anyone under the age of 18.
At they very least, I think we can agree that this requires closer inspection before jumping to conclusions?
Michio said:
Google "Lawrence Allen Stanley". This may just be a coincidence though. I don't know if this is the same guy from NAMBLA.
It may as well be lies to 90%. It does happen that innocent people are slandered or even charged. See his comment to the article:
http://comipress.com/special/miscellaneous/down-the-slippery-slope-the-crime-of-viewing-manga
( search for ' Submitted by Lawrence Stanley (not verified) on Fri, 2009-05-15 13:04. ' )
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More importantly, Stanley is not Handley's lawyer ^_-
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/edit: solace beats me >.<
Michio said:
Also, good to see you in that ANN thread. I don't have time for those trolls. That community also fails big time. They're so afraid of nipples there...
Thank you ^_^
But actually ANN turned in a much better place since KnJ times. ( /me knocks on the wood )
May be there're not too many loli fans, but the majority seems to be clearly pro freedom or expression/art. The latest Handley thread shows it clearly. Sure there're still some people like hikaru004 and Zac, but they don't dominate the forum.
If you want to see a really reactionary anime forum, check out AN >.>
It used to be a decent place in 2004. In the end it got so bad that some loli art fans simply had to leave (for example Saki). I feel bad for John ;_;
K thx for clearing that up lol. Rumors spread fast, especially if "child pornography" is involved in it. >__>
Wait wtf? Now I'm really confused. This whole time I thought Lawrence Stanley was the lawyer because it said that on some other sites.
This is a clusterfuck.
Vicious said:
according to the quote from that site "Title 18, United States Code, Section 1466A(b)(1), which prohibits the possession of any type of visual depiction, including a drawing, cartoon, sculpture, or painting, that depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct that is obscene."
Since the mail was intercepted, he never actually possessed the material at any time. Sure, he would have possessed it had the package not been intercepted, but that's not what happened - and that's what really matters. So he should be able to beat any charges for the material that was mailed to him.
Then, using that, he could argue that since no crime was actually committed, the search of his house was completely unjustified. Since the search was unjustified, he could then motion to get any material seized from his home dismissed as evidence.
If he managed that, then the prosecution would then have no case and would have no choice but to drop the charges.
sifian said:
Tis a sad day to be american.
You do realize that Communism is a STATELESS society, right?
@ Ukonvivi,
"Stateless", on the short term, would be anarchy rather than communism, even though communism's ultimate goal is more or less the same as anarchy's.
But I do agree that the use of communist colours was uncalled for here.
Ukonkivi said:
You do realize that Communism is a STATELESS society, right?
As was said by Azarius...the ultimate goal is more or less anarchy. But from what I know they require complete control over the world's population before they can set that up, thus oppression is the rule before "paradise" is achieved.
In Marx's book, he outlined the stages that communism would take. Stateless society was the final product of Marxism. No one has achieved this of course, because that would involve converting all states to Marxism first, as Blitz said.
Ukonkivi said:
You do realize that Communism is a STATELESS society, right?
I'm really not that familiar with the original works of Karl Marx and the ultimate ideals. I wasn't trying to say US is drifting towards a Marxist Utopia, but rather a Stalinist Dystopia. A land where divergence of opinion is quashed and everyone is supposed to adhere to state sanctioned ideals. Such a place might not have "states" but it sure as hell needs districts and bureaucracy to maintain the status quo.
Most of my political views have been similar to Penn & Teller. I used to love this clip they did about the first amendment and the bill of rights, but it seems kinda hollow at the moment.
Libertarianism is nice.
After the 2008 Supreme Court ruling, is the Protect Act still valid? Did they amend or change it? Possessing virtual/drawn images of loli is legal as I know it ..uh, or not? I'm still not sure =__=. Does anyone think it is still safe to order books? There are plenty of manga and doujinshi on my order lists that are borderline, but I don't want to get into any kind of trouble...
extollere said:
After the 2008 Supreme Court ruling, is the Protect Act still valid? Did they amend or change it? Possessing virtual/drawn images of loli is legal as I know it ..uh, or not? I'm still not sure =__=. Does anyone think it is still safe to order books? There are plenty of manga and doujinshi on my order lists that are borderline, but I don't want to get into any kind of trouble...
And this is the problem. I'm worried that I'm not protected by law anymore since these obscenity laws/ loli laws seem ambiguous and come into effect retroactively.
It's best not to take any chances. Don't import anything, since customs checks packages occasionally.
I mean wtf? Up to 15 years?
I guess Eric Chase was trying to be a pro in acting in Handley's best interests, but honestly, this is a loss for the world not to fight this. It would have been bad for Handley to get jail but he seems to be getting it anyway...
The sentence is so HUGE, how much worse would it have been if he had plead not guilty?
Honestly, if it was even greater it would look so completely ridiculous that it would serve as a beacon of absurdity and perhaps they could have taken it to higher courts to overrule it, a source of protest instead of a quiet surrender.
Why do you keep necromancing threads?
If you mean today, I was reading this article and links to both of them were posted in it: http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/26/american-guilty-of-loli-manga-possession-faces-15-years
If you mean in general: I don't monitor SC on an ongoing basis and realize that I miss out on a lot of important threads on important topics. I feel left out if I don't become part of the great conversations that people have here, because you feel like the family I never had.
Hey what counts as child pornz these days
would my Railgun/baka test/Gurren lagann porn collection give me any chance of being arrested?
These conversations are over 10 months old though...
unellmay02 said:
Hey what counts as child pornz these days
would my Railgun/baka test/Gurren lagann porn collection give me any chance of being arrested?
and yes
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