Archer112 said:
Megamne cirno begs to differ.
Sexy Cirno will quickly turn me into a lolicon if I am not careful.
I've wanted for the longest time to make a de-mo poster of someone standing next to Lelouch doing division.
Him asking the person what they were doing, and the person saying, "Division."
The poster text would follow a likely scenario.
Unfortunately it seems I will have to make an original drawing to do something like this.
And thus thread derailment starts.
the envoy said:
And thus thread derailment starts.
No, that was a while back.
motaku96 said:
Interesting video.
Barney's the biggest pedo around.
the envoy said:
And thus thread derailment starts.
Lol, this thread has been derailed 4-5 times. What's impressive is that it's gotten back on track so many times.
LunarSD said:
I've been told in the past my sentences can be so long, they're paragraphs in their own merit sometimes.
Archer112 said:
That's called not being able to write.
Hyperbole much? Or does it just not register with you?
ANYWAY.
We haven't exceeded our RDA of spam in this thread yet, and I'm sure we all feel we have an important job to do.
I'm no longer certain I'm being sarcastic.
*snaps*
`(•.°)~ = { "Allow me to even pitch in!" }
Everyone here has probably already read this. But here is an excellent example of pedophilia laws being applied without discretion:
http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/05/16/man-charged-as-pedophile-for-sex-with-underage-wife/
Who's the victim here. He did the right thing by marrying her. The parents have given their consent. Now the government will separate him from his family for over 3 years. I just can't help but to think about the unnecessary hardship the family will be forced to endure without his support.
Hayami said:
I wish, more people would read their Facts Sheet ( http://www.b4uact.org/facts.htm ) *sigh*
That's good information. It's like, grounding the issue and bringing common sense back to a topic that's been so exaggerated and sensationalized in the media. Of course, it helps when the information comes from what appears to be a credible source, based on scientific studies and plain, cold rationality. Indeed, more people should read it before jumping to conclusions.
Back on page 4, Azarius said:
While I do not wish to take any position on the matter, I would like to point out the (controversial) fact that a perfectly legal and accepted market of "soft" child pornography existed back a few decades ago, in fact until the seventies.
This article is pretty enlightening on the matter: http://wikileaks.org/wiki/My_life_in_child_porn
I finally got around to reading through that. It certainly is controversial, and some of the details are not above questioning, but I must say, it provides a pretty convincing argument - granted, I don't have the same sort of bias I suspect the majority of the population has. But, if nothing else, it's refreshing to read through, given how rare it is to find an intelligent, and considerate, defense for CP.
Whether or not it's true that CP could be produced without creating any victims, I think it's a possibility that people should at least consider, before crying abuse. Otherwise, we're bound to reach a point where we start throwing kids in jail just for taking harmless half-naked photos of themselves for fu--oh shit...
Not sure if any of you have read this, but I recently stumbled upon an article from 2001, that explores the development of the cultural hysteria surrounding pedophilia and child abuse, as has been discussed previously in this thread. It is tl;dr, no question, but if you have the patience, I found it a thoroughly fascinating and poignant read.
PDF: http://susiebright.blogs.com/Adler_ThePerverseLawofChildPornography.pdf
HTML: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/ilaw/Speech/Adler_full.html
Also, here's an intriguing paper from 2000 that addresses the demonization of pedophilia, for your reading pleasure. It's sad that almost a decade has passed and things seem to only be getting worse.
http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/tomoc/sexual_privacy.htm
sifian said:
GAR Suika is GAR.:D
solace said:
Not sure if any of you have read this, but I recently stumbled upon an article from 2001, that explores the development of the cultural hysteria surrounding pedophilia and child abuse, as has been discussed previously in this thread. It is tl;dr, no question, but if you have the patience, I found it a thoroughly fascinating and poignant read.PDF: http://susiebright.blogs.com/Adler_ThePerverseLawofChildPornography.pdf
HTML: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/ilaw/Speech/Adler_full.htmlAlso, here's an intriguing paper from 2000 that addresses the demonization of pedophilia, for your reading pleasure. It's sad that almost a decade has passed and things seem to only be getting worse.
http://www.ipce.info/library_3/files/tomoc/sexual_privacy.htm
Good links ~
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Here are some other comprehensive and well structured sites on this topic:
http://www.pedophileophobia.com
http://www.helping-people.info
Your avatar is so much more serious than this pic I just found ( ﾟ ヮﾟ)
Fascinating links all around, btw.
[EDIT]
"...according to Nagayama Hall, Hirschman & Oliver, more than 25% of a sample of normal men reacted with arousal to pedophilic stimuli. So, we're not talking about a small deviant minority, but about a normal variance in human beings - in an era in which anyone who reacts like this would be considered a monster by most people."
Hayami said:
...probably the scariest report I've ever seen >.<
Truly scary, indeed. And thanks for the other links, I'll have to take a look through them. It really concerns me that it doesn't look like there's any way out of this ditch we've dug for ourselves.
The trouble isn't the abuse, it's this hysteria. But people defend the hysteria because they think it amounts to opposing the abuse, and then anybody who speaks up against the hysteria is assumed to be defending the abuse, which is just plain not true. I don't think hysteria is ever a good thing. There are situations where panic is warranted, but this kind of unfounded cultural hysteria is, put simply, dangerous. People need to realize who the real predators are. There are a small minority of people who prey on children, but there are many more who prey on mostly innocent people, in a misguided attempt to serve "justice" and "protect" the children. Wake up, people - you're creating harm where there is none.
And controversial as it is, I wish we could learn to accept that having a "thing" for children doesn't make a person a criminal. I think girls of approximately 12 years are particularly appealing, aesthetically (not just sexually, which is kind of "on the side" anyway), and I have a fascination with the growth process, the metamorphosis of the body from undeveloped child to fully developed adult - it's an amazing transformation, and the idea that the body's aesthetic value fluctuates, coming into focus during a certain period (the location and duration of which varies by observer) when the subject is not too young, but not too old (again, as defined by the observer), intrigues me. Why can't I have these feelings, and why can't I be allowed my fantasies, without being demonized and turned into something I am not?
Temptation or not, I can't see myself in a situation where I would ever dare violate the physical *or* mental sanctity of another person's private space intentionally - and I've even had personal anecdotal experience to confirm this, against overwhelming temptation. And even if I were to go that far, I would never willingly harm another person, or coerce them into performing acts against their will. There are good people in this world, and there are bad people. Having alternative sexual desires doesn't automatically put a person in the bad camp. This is something that people need to learn to accept.
Hayami said:
...probably the scariest report I've ever seen >.<
We could make a thread and ask if there're Christians on SanCon^^ (this kind of threads seems to be popular now... older people, parents... why not Christians or other religious people?)
Ndeed that was a Scary report, this is a reason, ~ "why" ~ I am careful about (some) detailed facts that I speak about concerning my interest in animé and all that is encompassed by it.
However, I run/walk along a fine line between what (should I say) and what (I shouldn't say)... and worded text (as this) does have a tendency to be misunderstood, because one can't add inflection to the written word so that its understood properly w/o it being misunderstood.
sycamore said:
IIRC someone in the UK was almost lynched recently because he was accused of being a child molestor. The claims were decided false by a court. Yet he still had to go into government proteciton because people kept on attacking him.
"The Burning Times" factor ~
I retain the ~ "The Burning Times" ~ factor (in the back of my mind) at times.
Because - When that (factor) happens it tends to **spark** and quickly flame up into a wildfire!
Its starts (as exampled) in the news story, usually by something ~ innocent ~ that is taken out of context and grows into something sinnocent!
It only (takes) 1 person to decide (or) gets angry enough (because) that/one person doesn't agree with what is said or a certain pov is not agreed upon and so reports it as such without any truth to it.
solace said:
but there are many more who prey on mostly innocent people, in a misguided attempt to serve "justice" and "protect" the children. Wake up, people - you're creating harm where there is none.
IIRC someone in the UK was almost lynched recently because he was accused of being a child molestor. The claims were decided false by a court. Yet he still had to go into government proteciton because people kept on attacking him.
Hayami said:
...probably the scariest report I've ever seen >.<
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Interestingly enough where I used to live a very similar incident happened. The Jury eventually found the people at the daycare innocent (and the few convictions were overturned later).
You might or might not have heard of it, The "Martinsville Nightmare"
ritual abuse case.
Another situation where the investigators got the children to say what they wanted and public hysteria set in.
sycamore said:
IIRC someone in the UK was almost lynched recently because he was accused of being a child molestor. The claims were decided false by a court. Yet he still had to go into government protection because people kept on attacking him.
Like Solace said, "The trouble isn't the abuse, it's this hysteria." and "(...) you're creating harm where there is none."
The burned (or drowned) ones aren't just the witches...
Did Pedophilia Hysteria Cause Child's Death?
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@ Deth
I'm not sure how to word it the best, but personally I'd like the thread to focus on the contrast between our perception of certain religions (like Christianity, Islam or even Buddhism (remember Agnes)) as a threat to our freedom and examples proving that this perception might be wrong.
Though sure it's also interesting how Wiccans perceive extreme/deviant/"evil" art & ideas. In particular, can creation or distribution of such works be construed as "harm" so that it would violate the key moral system?
Hayami said:
@ Deth
I'm not sure how to word it the best, but personally I'd like the thread to focus on the contrast between our perception of certain religions (like Christianity, Islam or even Buddhism (remember Agnes)) as a threat to our freedom and examples proving that this perception might be wrong.
Though sure it's also interesting how Wiccans perceive extreme/deviant/"evil" art & ideas. In particular, can creation or distribution of such works be construed as "harm" so that it would violate the key moral system?
Let me think on the proper wording then I shall post... just to be sure..
Hayami said:
Though sure it's also interesting how Wiccans perceive extreme/deviant/"evil" art & ideas. In particular, can creation or distribution of such works be construed as "harm" so that it would violate the key moral system?
I have yet to find in my searches a more concise moral foundation than the Wiccan Rede, which I thus have much respect for. As an ideal, it is truly admirable, though in practice, the part about "harm" becomes difficult to interpret. I believe that it is impossible for humans to live without harming one another, intentionally or otherwise. Thus, it becomes important to weigh all the potential harm that could be done, so as to aspire to the minimum possible distribution of harm. But the trouble with that is that different people will weigh harm differently, and likely weigh their own harm more heavily than others', due to their direct experience with it. And since harm itself is a subjective experience, I don't believe it's possible to come up with an objective weighting of harm.
However, practicality aside (and I've never been a fan of practice), it's a great ideal to aspire to. In the context of extreme/deviant/"evil" art and ideas - to take a specific case, pedophilia - I think the greatest goal we could strive for involves coming to an acceptable compromise between the "norms" and the "deviants". Just to throw an example out, the norms could say, "we'll allow the pedo deviants to fantasize about our children and create *virtual or fictional* depictions to satisfy their desires, so long as they agree never to behave in a creepy and unacceptable manner towards those real children." Thus, the people committing the real crimes (inappropriate behavior with real children) are still regarded as criminals, and dealt with as such, but the demonization of innocent people with simply less than innocent feelings disappears. The result being that parents and other norms can be confident about the safety of their children, while the pedos and deviants can have their fantasies and still be upstanding members of society.
Surely, this arrangement hinges on the agreement between the two sides, to uphold the agreed upon terms of the compromise - but isn't that the case with all law? And those who break the agreement will thus be punished. Whether or not this sort of system is practical, I think that at least in theory, it depicts a world with a generally smaller overall level of harm than one in which overprotective parents put innocent people in jail for thinking bad thoughts (or less).
The important thing in all of this, which is what the hysteria-prone are quick to forget, is that the deviants are just as human and just as deserving of protection from harm, as the norms, so long as they are not committing true crimes against humanity (and as we have seen, many of the supposed crimes occurring in this climate of hysteria are either innocuous acts whose "harm" is exaggerated, or else completely fabricated).
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