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Michio
I've been having an exchange from the recent "delicious caek" post. I don't understand why there is so much hatred toward pedophiles. People are confusing their words when they say "pedophile" then go on to talk about child rape or something.

Pedophile = One who is attracted to children.
Child molestor = One who molests children.

Rape crimes aren't always about sexual desire either. Rape is also a crime of violence and domination. A child molestor, does not even have to be a pedophile. And of course being a pedophile does not automatically mean you follow children home after school.

I do not think pedophilia is a choice, and I'm guessing there are many pedophiles out there who wish they weren't and yet they just are. The things people say toward pedophiles is disturbing. Lightly, someone will say pedophiles should be locked up forever and have their penises chopped off or something, and they'll be serious about it.

I'm wondering if a lot of the stigma toward pedophiles has been brought on by various media exaggerating the problem and doing their best to cause soccer moms all over to shit a brick so they'll tune in at 8 for more garbage. I'd be interested to know what people thought of pedophilia before news media became commercialized and you didn't have a lot of these shock/entertainment shows.

I don't even see why murders or rapes should even make news headlines unless it involves some prominent public figure. Unless it's about rising or falling crime statistics, there should be no reason for that stuff to grace news media.

"Omg did you hear about that 7 year old girl that was raped? I had no idea this stuff happens before my news anchor told me about! There's this new show out called 'To Catch a Predator' with Chris Hansen. They lure these sick child predators/pedophiles/sickos on the internet and put them in jail. Thank god for that. I hope every one of these fucks rots in hell."
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Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Palmtop Tsundere

Its because of society's view that if something isn't "normal" its bad plus the fact that sex is taboo. Much like many see the trap pics and say "if you like it your gay", then put down those who like it because of norms. Correct me if i'm wrong, but in the Philipines society accepts those who change their gender. Other cultures have more open views of "pedophilia", so it comes back to social upbringing.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Envoy Loves You

Put this way, I guess heteros are automatically guilty of raep; and gays are automatically guilty of gay raep. Asexual lolis are guilty of child sex abuse?

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Icy-nee-san

Oh, for second I though someone made a thread about me D:

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Kitsune9Tails

Oh boy, this is sure to open the can of worms. So few can talk rationally about these things. It always degenerates into a "oh-my-god-you're-HITLER!" kind of flame war. By the way, that Anon on that post really didn't seem to be at all interested in a real honest debate on the subject (like talking to a fundamentalist about the bible).

But a question for the OP: should child porn be stigmatized? It certainly seems like it could be exploitation, even though someone looking at it isn't actually performing the act on the child. Or is it okay as long as the child in the picture isn't actually engaging in direct sexual acts?

Ciao!

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
tB

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Er.

I don't know where you're trying to go with this. If you're complaining about the social stigma against pedophiles... I think that said stigma is a little more than just warranted..

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
KamiOkurimono
I find myself attracted to lolis, not because of their age but because of their adorableness. I generally find myself attracted to any girl who is short and cute, and lolis fall into that category. Yet, I find child molestation to be atrocious, thinking about how it could scar that person for life. I especially remember a scene from Elfen Lied in which Mayu gets molested by her stepfather. I was disgusted with the thought of her being molested, and that was a 2D fictional character.

Nice pic, btw.
BillO: OMG, cp is on teh internetz.

4chan = far-left, LOL.
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Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Kitsune9Tails

KamiOkurimono said:
Yet, I find child molestation to be atrocious, thinking about how it could scar that person for life. I especially remember a scene from Elfen Lied in which Mayu gets molested by her stepfather. I was disgusted with the thought of her being molested, and that was a 2D fictional character.

For sure. I guess the main problem is how much "consent' is there really when there's a very different authority level disparity? Does the younger REALLY want that? Do they REALLY understand what it all means? Even aside from the nutbar conservatism and religious zealotry, I'm sure those contribute to the stigma as well.

4chan = far-left, LOL.

Heh, Fox news's (and hence the neocon's) rallying cry is "everything that we don't agree with is 'far left', because that's such a bad word! And it's a lot easier than actually making a cohesive argument."

Ciao!

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Michio

tB said:
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Er.

I don't know where you're trying to go with this. If you're complaining about the social stigma against pedophiles... I think that said stigma is a little more than just warranted..

Did you even read the thread?

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Kip

Michio said:
Pedophilia!

It sounds to like your taking offense to the connotation of the term by which the media uses it.
Chris Hansen catches lowly individuals that intend to have sex with young people, who infact are molesters and not pedophiles.
Simply because they are called pedophiles the term has been sullied because they weren't called child molesters instead.
It doesn't make the crime any less heinous.

Socialism and social programs aren't entirely bad things, but once you begin sticking these words with communism, people get weary of their usage and application.

Certainly, I find something wrong with making an entertaining program out of catching these sexual predators, but I find it suitable that they involve law enforcement and actually put away people that could harm children and other underage individuals.

Simply because these types of people got lumped as pedophiles obviously irkes you, and now lolicon is moving in this direction as well as a mainstream indicator of child molesters and the like.

I don't blame the media for reporting molestations, rape, murder, and the like because the world isn't filled with wonderful, joyful stuff. We task the news with telling us the unusual things that happen in our community. The fact they report on these things make perfect sense, because if one day a murder happened in our neighborhood and all the outlets covered was the local pie-eating competition or the mayor's birthday party, we would be clamoring for them to report the hard facts and information that we demand they report as they serve the public.

It's a great service they do printing these stories and investigating the worst criminals that aim to hurt society, no matter the age. Regardless if this is the first murder/rape/etc, the next one is no less significant than the previous, and all demand coverage, lest we begin to think the world around us is perfect, and criminals begin to feel they can have free reign.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Michio

Kitsune9Tails said:
But a question for the OP: should child porn be stigmatized? It certainly seems like it could be exploitation, even though someone looking at it isn't actually performing the act on the child. Or is it okay as long as the child in the picture isn't actually engaging in direct sexual acts?

Child porn most certainly should be illegal. Production of child pornography implies that a child was either forced, or tricked into participating. They are not mature enough to be consenting to do those kinds of things.

As for just viewing it... I don't know. It seems like having viewers means that the increasing "demand" will create an increase in the "supply" or production, and that is harming children. And I wouldn't be able to masturbate to images of something where I know a child was harmed, perhaps seriously.

I've looked up the effects of general pornography on society, and the results are inconclusive at best. In some places, pornography usage lowers sexual crime, in other places, pornography usage increases sexual crime. Nobody is really sure what effect pornography has on society.

To your last point, I also don't know if there's anything immoral about fapping to young idols. I remember Artefact made some old post about a 4-year old shota idol. Apparently the mother allowed it, and it seemed like the kid was enjoying doing it. But someone could certainly get their rocks off to that. I don't know if (1) young idols in half-nude photos is a bad thing or (2) collecting and pleasuring yourself to such things is immoral.

I don't believe the issue is so black and white which is what angers me about people who are the child pornography/pedophilia/rape equivalent of bible thumpers.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Michio

To Kip:

I just think the media exaggerates these things, and exploits people's fear just to get viewership. They play on your emotions to get ratings. This is the effect of commercialism on news media.

The reason I don't like "To Catch a Predator" is that it seems like they try to find people who will take the bait, just so they can keep airing their program which rakes in profits. I find this to be a crime in of itself because it probably creates crime. If they did this thing off the air, then it would be fine.

And yes, being a lolicon myself, I get extremely offended when someone starts pointing a fat finger at me and screaming child rapist/sicko/pedophile etc. It's no surprise I'm going to get defensive when lolicons, pedophiles, and child rapists are going to get lumped into the same category. Not only that, but we have people going to jail for being lolicons, apparently because I'm viewing CP.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Michio

AMD said:
First off let me say this. I don’t have any problem with anyone fapping to images of DRAWN loli, whatever flow your boat. And if you act upon your fantasy, I will do everything in my power to ensure you get a taste of just dessert. Be it whether you act upon it or not, let’s set that aside for a moment. Do you not agree that most lolicons are people who don’t have access to sex regularly hence they turn into such venue? Women come in different sizes, shapes, and personalities. How is it not possible for you to find the right person that fits you? If you can’t find the right person you will just have to settle for the best alternative. What is the one quality that you absolutely obligatorily can only seek from children and nowhere else? Homosexuality is not by choice, pedophilia is every bits by choice. The truth is, my concern is not only for the safety of our children but also for you lolicons as well. Pedophilia is really just an outward presentation of issues deep underneath the surface. You don’t go rob a bank if you have tons of money. While I sympathize with your situations, pedophilia is not a solution to your problem, much like drug addictions, alcoholism, gambling problems, etc. Maybe true obligatory pedophiles do exist, I don’t know, in that case you might want to consult a psychiatrist. Running away from your problem doesn’t solve it, it only worsens it. You become a pedophile because you can’t get women. Women find you disgusting because you are a pedophile…You just dig yourself into a deeper hole. It’s ok to fantasize about strange things once in a while. But if it becomes habitual, then you have a problem and maybe you should consider turn things around.

I've never raged so hard in my life.

This is why I get angry when people start hating pedophiles even though I find children sexually disgusting.

I don't even know how to begin addressing this garbage.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
motaku96

AMD said:

First off let me say this. I don’t have any problem with anyone fapping to images of DRAWN loli, whatever flow your boat. And if you act upon your fantasy, I will do everything in my power to ensure you get a taste of just dessert. Be it whether you act upon it or not, let’s set that aside for a moment. Do you not agree that most lolicons are people who don’t have access to sex regularly hence they turn into such venue? Women come in different sizes, shapes, and personalities. How is it not possible for you to find the right person that fits you? If you can’t find the right person you will just have to settle for the best alternative. What is the one quality that you absolutely obligatorily can only seek from children and nowhere else? Homosexuality is not by choice, pedophilia is every bits by choice. The truth is, my concern is not only for the safety of our children but also for you lolicons as well. Pedophilia is really just an outward presentation of issues deep underneath the surface. You don’t go rob a bank if you have tons of money. While I sympathize with your situations, pedophilia is not a solution to your problem, much like drug addictions, alcoholism, gambling problems, etc. Maybe true obligatory pedophiles do exist, I don’t know, in that case you might want to consult a psychiatrist. Running away from your problem doesn’t solve it, it only worsens it. You become a pedophile because you can’t get women. Women find you disgusting because you are a pedophile…You just dig yourself into a deeper hole. It’s ok to fantasize about strange things once in a while. But if it becomes habitual, then you have a problem and maybe you should consider turn things around.

Well that sounds really arrogant.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Kip

Michio said:

And yes, being a lolicon myself, I get extremely offended when someone starts pointing a fat finger at me and screaming child rapist/sicko/pedophile etc. It's no surprise I'm going to get defensive when lolicons, pedophiles, and child rapists are going to get lumped into the same category. Not only that, but we have people going to jail for being lolicons, apparently because I'm viewing CP.

That's the thing. People are trying to be safe with their kids because no one really can be trusted. I know about you Michio, but if I met you IRL, in public one day, I wouldn't trust you as far as I could throw you, despite your proclivities, pedophiliac, or otherwise.

It only makes sense if you exhibit early signs of supposed molester tendencies, that people may be weary. It's unfortunate, because you mean no harm, but to someone else, it could just be the surface of what they may think is a greater problem.

If I knew you had those tendencies, and I let you around my kid, I would certainly pay more attention to you around him or her, no matter your actual intentions.

Love for children is certainly one thing, but it simply does not get represented by society anymore, since people thought it was fine to let their children run after the ice cream truck. But even now, surely the ice cream truck driver is a molester that simply uses his van to snatch children.
Such crimes have become both more rampant and more sensationalized, while having a concern or penchant for young people and their innocence/sweetness, or what have you only attracts more concern.

It is a shame the former has led to the latter, but who can blame the parents and guardians of these individuals for their overarching protection?

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Michio

I trust lolicons more than I trust sexually repressed people. Especially from what I've observed around here with people clearing preferring 2D over 3D.

Remember Ted Haggard, pastor of the megachurch who would always denounce gays? Well it turns out he was buying drugs and sex from a gay escort. He's married and has children by the way.

I don't know who I would "trust" with my children. It just seems like some people give off this really fake air and therefore it makes it seem like they're hiding something. But if they're open about things and not afraid to express themself, I would trust them.

If someone told me they were a pedophile. Well, I would keep an eye on them if my kids were around them, and I would be uncomfortable leaving my kids alone with them.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Muzaffar

I'll admit, I have pedophobia. @.@

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Yakimaki

Dont care what anyone says, pedophilia isnt a choice, its just who the person is. its like saying my attraction for asians and blacks is a disease when its just what it is, a preference. Now saying that because a person is a pedophile, he will rape a child is just plain stupidity because one could use the same thought process that because I am a heterosexual, I am going to rape every woman I see. I will also admit I could be considered a pedophile myself, but at family outings and friend hang outs, who is the best choice to watch the kids? Me, and why? Because I actually care what the kid if feeling and try to make sure they are all having fun. Not all pedophiles want to fuck.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Kip

Yakimaki said:
Dont care what anyone says, pedophilia isnt a choice, its just who the person is. its like saying my attraction for asians and blacks is a disease when its just what it is, a preference. Now saying that because a person is a pedophile, he will rape a child is just plain stupidity because one could use the same thought process that because I am a heterosexual, I am going to rape every woman I see.

Is your heterosexuality itself a choice/preference/encoded in DNA?

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Yakimaki

Kip said:

Is your heterosexuality itself a choice/preference/encoded in DNA?

well if being a pedophile is a choice then being a heterosexual is a choice too o.o

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