Schrobby said:
I don't share the opinion with several posters of the pro military as well as of the contra fraction. The truth is somewhere in the middle, like usual.
So much for your brains then. Have you read any of the preceding pages anyway or are you just bored so you wanted to stir some shit?I did read it all - and what I quoted from you stood out like a sore thumb...
since you like to degenerate to tripe and random name-callings, perhaps I should humor you?
When it boosts your ego, go ahead. ^_^
Schrobby said:
Well, just about everything was already said.War kills people, soldiers and civilians as well. There is no honor in war. You die or the others die. The soldiers involved in this incident acted wrong, but it was perfectly understandable.
The higher ups do what they always do and cover it up. Saving face aside they have no excuse.
The US invaded Iraq for petroleum. Saddam being involved in 911 was a lie. Saddam having weapons of mass destructions was a lie. The ones he did have he had already used - and those came from the USA.
The USA previously supported Saddam with weapons and training. The USA previously also supported Iran with weapons and training. They sold weapons to both sides during the Iraq Iran war.
I mentioned 911. That was done by Bin Laden. Who previously supported him with weapons and training? Make an educated guess...
The U.S. also funded Osama Bin Laden, the Taliban and other various groups which are now evidently against us.
People should read up on political history and just see how twisted the world became with the cold war and the great mistakes the U.S. government has continued to make over the 20th century.
While I believe Iraq was invaded for petroleum, Afghanistan, even with its legitimate status, was also partially (most likely) invaded as it is the world's largest producer of poppy flowers and opium currently.
The CIA seems to follow opium quite well (they did so from 1945-54 in Indochina as well...)
churn said:
So what's the point of calling out people for being hypocrites? Everyone is hypocritical to a certain degree.
How about instead of pointing fingers and telling people that they have to improve themselves, you simply improve your own self, which is the only thing you can do, and hope others follow. I mean what are you going to do? Fight a war with them?
I mean I agree with you on the nature of the acts, but that same kind of stuff would have happened if Muslims ruled the world, or Jews, Europeans, Africans, or whomever. That's why the statement needs to be "People are doing bad things" not "Americans are doing bad things"
I wasn't calling them out for being hypocrites, I was calling them out because if shit happens in war, then why arrest people because they conducted war? Why appear to be the good guys in war? If we make it out as if what they have done in war is wrong and what we have done in war is right, and if there is no honor in war, what's the use of putting the defeated in trial for war when you wasn't Mr. & Mrs. Goodie two shoes yourself? I don't blame a particular nation or people. I blame the government of said nation and people for making this happen. And the fact that a certain number of the people allow this to happen and even supported what that government did, Shows there particular character in them as well. That was the point OF THE WHOLE DAMNED VIDEO. To show Americans that war isn't a game. That war shouldn't be justified or glorified. Because, all this time, we've been fed garbage on how this war is justified. How heroic our soldiers must be. How we are doing this for a good cause. Forget the ethics of this particular event and forget what should be 'right or wrong' in war. It should be Why should we be here? When will this end? Was going into Iraq worth all that? The reason as I see it, that wikileaks released this WAS to improve our own lives and in which we see war for what it is. To show Americans that "Hey! if this is war, maybe this was a bad idea". If "People are doing bad things", then Americans should get the picture and start viewing Iraq as a bad thing. Why do you think the Vietnam War was so hated? That was my aim. We can argue about this all day. But let me show you this video to give a better picture of where I'm coming from:
And to Deth, I would like to say that what you have done for the sake of others is honorable. But can I say this? If this is what war is, Should we be in any wars like this?
I leave here by saying this:
If we are to expect that such a thing like this is war, Should we be in such a war in the first place, or period?
No!
The U.S. has a new way of torturing people.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/apr/07/us-forces-fight-taliban-metal
gundam4ever2 said:
The U.S. has a new way of torturing people.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/apr/07/us-forces-fight-taliban-metal
Sleep deprivation is old news
sides with deth on this issue,...
wonders why those journalists didn't have a digital video camera instead of tape camera with a huge telephoto lens. Its the one thing that gave the impression that they had a rpg launcher.
Those Video Journalists apparently didn't think things through enough.
Cops are trained to determine what is or isn't a weapon on sight, but under some circumstances it can be difficult.
When facing down a heilo with overwhelming firepower, they should of ran for cover instead of trying to get a scoop for a story.
Too late now, though. Shit happens when live fire is well underway. Some people just go with the flow and don't always do what is right.
o.0* . . . .
MasterInfamous said:
And to Deth, I would like to say that what you have done for the sake of others is honorable.
But can I say this? If this is what war is, Should we be in any wars like this?
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In response to this...
Should we experience this (or any war) that is similar?
NO!
However, Diplomacy should always be considered and initiated first and foremost (in all cases) to avoid conflict and war.
However, Diplomacy also tends to fail, thus leading towards conflict.
Also, in those rare cases, that another country invades another, I feel that support should/shall be given. ~ because in some cases the after-effects (of an action) will affect the world over whether one wishes it or not.
It doesn't matter if its oil, gas, food, resources, ~ Why?
~ because I can safely assume that when the first stone was thrown, it was due to early man being angry over a portion of food or some insignificant item.
As is expertly explained in this visual:
and its no different today as it was back then...
(NOTE): The statement of the use of the word (invasion) is not to start another argument on this issue or that the US invaded anyone.
One should always be aware...
That when the first sticks and stones that were thrown ~ to ~ now, including ALL future wars, and conflicts that many here ~ WILL ENCOUNTER ~ (there is no doubt)... because it will happen.
When it does, I will be long gone from this earth, erased from the equation, and - YOU ALL - will be the ones to handle that situation.
Some will continue to oppose, some will change their mind, and some will do nothing except place their head into the sand in/and of ignorance. ~ because they don't care - because - they don't want to get involved.
Its only then that the decisions made (that) many will understand why things happens and why things do not.
As I mentioned many times throughout this subject....
Much has being spoken about the leaked Military video and no doubt that many of you have read it, forming strong opinions.
For those who disagree with my POV, its unfortunate, but I hold my view and will not veer from it.
Because ~ experience talks volumes ~ verses what is taught in school or within Uni with profs who lead by stating personal opinion on students.
I do feel however, that I have nothing else to add to the discussion, so the thought of continuing further is at its end... this is the last posting.
I am (also) quite sure that many may have an opinion of me (be it negative/positive) and that some don't approve of, however, there's not much that I can do about that aspect nor do I care about people opinions about me.
I did my job, as a soldier, who didn't follow blindly (as some have stated) nor did I care about the politics that swirl around, my focus was to my ~ "left and right" ~ of me as I did the patrols, missions, being point-man.
I have no regrets.. NONE!
It was a risk.... it was done... and now it is time to let it go, to let go of this subject, as I will not beat a dead horse any-longer.
This 50 year old... now closes.
OUT
frankly, war is one of those highly divisive issue in modern day society, which is why there's usually 1 guy making all the decisions or we'll be stuck with indecision. Also another reason why there are so many polarizing opinions and the inability to breach the gap between the 2 viewpoints.
just my 2 cents
lastly, if you were ever in the military (anywhere/any branch), you will know what I mean when I say the decisions of the higher-ups have no bearings on what you do. To put it into context, the war might or might not be justified, you might or might not believe in the true reason the war was there, but when it comes to action or the time to shoot, hell, you better start shooting fast. There's simply no time to time about stuff like this on a battlefield
Kortaku said:
While I believe Iraq was invaded for petroleum, Afghanistan, even with its legitimate status, was also partially (most likely) invaded as it is the world's largest producer of poppy flowers and opium currently.
The CIA seems to follow opium quite well (they did so from 1945-54 in Indochina as well...)
Yeah. Fun fact: The drug production now - under US "care" - is bigger than under taliban control..
Schrobby said:
Yeah. Fun fact: The drug production now - under US "care" - is bigger than under taliban control..
Yep, wouldn't doubt that if true.
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