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The UN has released it's Economic Freedom index for 2010

  1. I know we all hate politics threads and I promise this is my only one this month.

    http://www.heritage.org/index/Ranking.aspx

    Note poor countries are the least free, rich countries are MORE free, sense correlation here?

    Japan is #18 I thought they'd be higher but I suspect their superb work ethic compensates for some restriction on their businesses.

    America has fallen to #8 due to massive infringements on property rights. For you non-Americans this is exacerbating a housing crisis here an my own mother is at a town hall right now with an angry mob demanding more freedom and she's very liberal and hates Teabaggers like Gantz so it's bad here right now.

    Hong Kong is #1 the great bastion of prosperity and shitty knockoffs. To any Asians here, is Hong Kong named for my favorite Chinese Philosopher Master Kong? Confucius?

    Last place is the poor fuckers North Korea. One of the few Asian countries at the bottom amongst all the shitty African hell holes and Communist starvation nations.

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  2. tingle said:

    I know you hate being called a racist but. cmon....just keeding :P

    Anyways your uh...claims are so non factual it's funny.

    "Note poor countries are the least free, rich countries are MORE free, sense correlation here?"
    I cant help but laugh at this. Somalia must be #1 right? your use of correlation is too epic.

    "America has fallen to #8 due to massive infringements on property rights."
    Really?! Really? Yea those banakers those huge credit default swaps, the fake economic bubbles we were riding on for success
    yea thats not the reason we're falling.
    obviously it's the infringments xD
    Businesses abusing your healthcare cost so much that it's 16% of the country's GDP
    nah..it's obviously infignments xD

    China, the leader in green jobs and development, investing billions world wide in new technology and energy.
    nah it's their shitty knockoffs xD

    "Communist starvation nations."
    CHina?

    you're not even trying.

    Edit: On another note...damn.. India what is up with you. goddamn.

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  3. what is this exactly? just a measure of how little control gov has over these areas trade?

    i dont mean to ba an ass....but this is just a blatant capitalism scale lol. i wish all americans had that stupid idea of a free market completely up there ass.

    its thinking like that thats got us in the shape were in now. stupid bankers throwing money away for no other reason than to make people rich. then give them a tax write off after they fail, then after that bail out there company after it tanks.

    ooooohhhh YES CAPITALISM AT ITS FINEST *APPLAUSE*

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  4. I like how a change of 0.0 in the freedom score is colored red.

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  5. I don't get how Australia is number 3 given politicians pretty much do what they want...

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  6. Lately I am sort of disgusted whenever I see the UNICEF acronym based on the whole RapeLay and related loli issues =(

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  7. drunkspiderman667 said:
    what is this exactly? just a measure of how little control gov has over these areas trade?

    i dont mean to ba an ass....but this is just a blatant capitalism scale lol. i wish all americans had that stupid idea of a free market completely up there ass.

    its thinking like that thats got us in the shape were in now. stupid bankers throwing money away for no other reason than to make people rich. then give them a tax write off after they fail, then after that bail out there company after it tanks.

    ooooohhhh YES CAPITALISM AT ITS FINEST *APPLAUSE*

    Exactly it's a capitalism meter. Worthless. Mauritius sure is better than France, yeah...

    Now this is a somewhat better index http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
    Wow, Cuba is on the top instead of the bottom! what trickery is this?

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  8. drunkspiderman667 said:
    what is this exactly? just a measure of how little control gov has over these areas trade?

    i dont mean to ba an ass....but this is just a blatant capitalism scale lol. i wish all americans had that stupid idea of a free market completely up there ass.

    its thinking like that thats got us in the shape were in now. stupid bankers throwing money away for no other reason than to make people rich. then give them a tax write off after they fail, then after that bail out there company after it tanks.

    ooooohhhh YES CAPITALISM AT ITS FINEST *APPLAUSE*

    rikarika said:

    Exactly it's a capitalism meter. Worthless. Mauritius sure is better than France, yeah...

    Now this is a somewhat better index http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index
    Wow, Cuba is on the top instead of the bottom! what trickery is this?

    It would be no difference if it was done by socialists or even communists. Unless it says the communist nations have more freedom than the rest. Then North Korea would be at the top in such a list.

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  9. ah yass,... wikipedia, isn't so accurate because all entries are updated by the users, not a sole entity or agency.

    periodically certain entries are "vandalized" by rogue users, so its not unusual for some listings to be "favorable" or conveiniently "negative".

    -jus sayin, coz its true

    o.o*

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  10. Hmmm Canada at 7 and New Zealand at 4.

    I need to tell my Kiwi girlfriend to stop complaining seeing as she is so much better off then me :)

    Our dollar has been doing well lately though so Canadian consumers can buy more US point of origin goods lately. Trouble is, it makes it harder to sell wood, grain, drywall, milk, power, meat etc to them.

    Economically speaking, I'm doing ok on my meager poverty line income.
    But I have the brains to not buy via rent to own, not own a car I can't afford, not drink or smoke (regardless of whether it is good or bad or otherwise). I don't spend on plastic till it is maxed.
    As a result, I own an HD TV that is paid for, just got me the new Nintendo DSi XL and paid cash, and I have great broadband service.

    I think it's time I broke down though and bought a few less models and got some new socks and maybe some new shorts, plus another pair of pants would be nice.

    Recession? What recession?
    Oh wait, that's something that only happened to home owners.

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  11. UncommonOtaku said:
    ah yass,... wikipedia, isn't so accurate because all entries are updated by the users, not a sole entity or agency.

    periodically certain entries are "vandalized" by rogue users, so its not unusual for some listings to be "favorable" or conveiniently "negative".

    -jus sayin, coz its true

    o.o*

    That's why wikipedia has a thing called "sources" on the page footer.
    This is directly from the UN page
    http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/HDR_2009_Tables_rev.xls
    and has exactly the same info.

    And here you have the full report http://hdr.undp.org/en/reports/global/hdr2009/

    And I'd rather believe Wikipedia and the UN before a republican neocon think-tank like The Heritage Foundation. Not like they contradict each other here, mind you. It's just that "economic freedom" is unimportant, except if you are a corporation of course, and it's proven by how it's unrelated to the HDI, which is the real "quality of life" index of a country.

    BTW the title of this thread is bogus, as the economic freedom ranking, as I said, is elaborated by The Heritage Foundation, NOT by the UN.

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  12. Vicious said:

    I know you hate being called a racist but. cmon....just keeding :P

    Anyways your uh...claims are so non factual it's funny.

    "Note poor countries are the least free, rich countries are MORE free, sense correlation here?"
    I cant help but laugh at this. Somalia must be #1 right? your use of correlation is too epic.

    "America has fallen to #8 due to massive infringements on property rights."
    Really?! Really? Yea those banakers those huge credit default swaps, the fake economic bubbles we were riding on for success
    yea thats not the reason we're falling.
    obviously it's the infringments xD
    Businesses abusing your healthcare cost so much that it's 16% of the country's GDP
    nah..it's obviously infignments xD

    China, the leader in green jobs and development, investing billions world wide in new technology and energy.
    nah it's their shitty knockoffs xD

    "Communist starvation nations."
    CHina?

    you're not even trying.

    Edit: On another note...damn.. India what is up with you. goddamn.

    Somalia is not free. You get horsewhipped for watching Ninja Assassin because it's not Muslim. Somalia doesn't really have freedom there are almost no protected property rights it's whoever has the biggest gun workers have no rights they literally still have slavery. SLAVERY! and businesses have no protection or rights. You can't own land or build on it someone will just shoot you and take it. It would behoove you to look at what the UN considers to be "economic freedom" Somalia is not free. Freedom and anarchy are not the same.

    This isn't against big government it's about how government uses it's force to PROTECT people's rights in manners that help business. As for the bankers Theft and Fraud are not counted as economic freedoms.

    Over lay this chart with the human development index and see how the crappiest countries are at the bottom of BOTH and the good ones are in the top of both. India for example fought for 7 years in Parliament to keep KFC out of the country. They were worried about people becoming fat while people literally starved in the streets begging for food or the work that would allow them to buy food. The moral is laws and restrictions have to be the RIGHT laws and restrictions ban zero down payment mortgages for instance that will reduce defaults en masse. Freedoms also like the ones measured here, also need to be the freedom to do good things not just free to do ANY thing.

    I assure you in countries where anyone can own land property rights are a HUGE deal. The right to own land and build a house on it and have it protected by the government is huge for prosperity. As opposed to Egypt where 87% of houses are built illegally and the government could take it at any time.

    Also China IS full of starving people especially in rural china, they don't even have universal health care. Their earnings may seem big but that's due to their size. If it were divided in per capita earnings they aren't even in the top 70 by ANY UN agencies numbers. Meanwhile evil America mired in it's worst recession is still the highest earning country in the world.

    Lets take two identical countries and give one 24 bureacracies each with their own fees for starting a business, let's give the other 2 bureacracies with very small fees. Which country do you think will earn more money?

    If you want to redistribute the wealth why don't you want to produce more wealth so we can all have a bigger share? Businesses are not evil they have no personality they are a tool to produce jobs and GDP. Properly managed law abiding businesses and people being granted the right and freedom to start their own new businesses are what made the US the richest country in the world. Well that and Imperialism. The majority of all new jobs in the past 4 years in America came from startup businesses that are less then 5 years old. New business will lead us out of this and produce enough money to give us all jobs and produce enough tax revenue to provide us all protection both civil and social.

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