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I, for one, agree with regulating distribution. Same as anything else that shouldn't be made available for the general populace such as games/movies with extreme violence or language, or weapons. We have freedoms, but that shouldn't mean anarchy. As for loli bans, it's a tough subject since it's basically animated kiddie porn (worst case scenario.) I mean, an artist should be able to draw as they wish (you don't normally see complaints against artists drawing murders), but the area of concern is the widespread implications. There's a reason children are off limits, and cultivating a latent desire for them in a large group of society just pushes the boundaries towards definite off-limits areas.
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Vicious said:
i'm not defending japan, if pressured it will buckle.Isn't there a big monolithic NGO in Japan that's equivalent to the NRA, to protect major publishers and doujin authors against the likes of E.N. in Japan?
I swear they need a monolothic equivalent of the NRA.
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GTR go write a letter to them or something instead of telling us, anyway your all bastards.
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Dun really care, not my country, I dont give a fook about people in south africa, careless about people in russia, So I dont care if people wanna ban this and that in japan nor do I care about regulations in japan.
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M I N N said:
well gtfo then
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M I N N said:
Dun really care, not my country, I dont give a fook about people in south africa, careless about people in russia, So I dont care if people wanna ban this and that in japan nor do I care about regulations in japan.That's pretty much my opinion on my actions. If it's that big of a deal, the UN should get involved, not me.
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Hitoritaka said:
look above your post
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lol Soup, if a conversation doesn't apply to you, you can leave it alone. Clever thing, that, eh? Troll harder.
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Hitoritaka said:
To me it appeared as if you two were trolling.
Entering a discussion and then proceeding to tell the participants 'I don't care about what you guys are talking about'..
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Hitoritaka said:
As for loli bans, it's a tough subjectNo, not really. As long as it's fictional, anything goes.
It would be the first step to the end of our freedom if we allow for little "exceptions" to exist. Our basic rights should never be violated.It's ridiculous to try to argue with extensive causal chains like, loli manga is allowed -> increasing interest in 2D loli in the society -> some people possibly develop the desire for a real children -> acceptance for real loli stuff increases -> some idiot actually does it.
The only stage in this chain that actually hurts someone else's rights is the last one, so laws are only to forbid that last one.
Trying to issue completely baseless "preventive" laws is laughable.Posted 5 years ago # -
loli in a box said:
first time I've seen you in an argument. ^^
and GTR is probably right about making it adults only, it'll probably be the only way to appease the bastards. Numbers count more then reason in a democracy unfortunately :/
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Oh. Nah, I care about the conversation. Check my first response. But it's really just between us here. OUR thoughts and opinions shouldn't be held against Japan. We don't have the authority.
As for loli bans, it IS tough, because both sides have valid, grounded concerns. And the concept of rights is so vague. They're decided on and enforced by the general society, which is why governments exist. Hell, I could CLAIM I have the right to do anything.
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Oh yeah, and the causal chain. You could debate that the first 3 steps HAVE already happened, pressing into the fourth.
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Hitoritaka said:
Laws should be decided upon through reason, not through ridiculous things like a majority vote.
and I don't wish to start a meaningless debate but..
As for loli bans, it IS tough, because both sides have valid, grounded concerns.
I have yet to hear a reasonable argument for a loli ban.
Hitoritaka said:
Oh yeah, and the causal chain. You could debate that the first 3 steps HAVE already happened, pressing into the fourth.reread his post
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Meh. Majority vote IS reason. I mean, even when we're defending the smaller groups, the only way TO defend them is for the largest group to agree that they should be defended. The world doesn't work the way it SHOULD, it works the way it DOES.
You haven't read a logical reason because you blanket others' logic out, apparently.
Read, read, and re-read, I still stand by my statement.
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Hitoritaka said:
Oh. Nah, I care about the conversation. Check my first response. But it's really just between us here. OUR thoughts and opinions shouldn't be held against Japan. We don't have the authority.As for loli bans, it IS tough, because both sides have valid, grounded concerns. And the concept of rights is so vague. They're decided on and enforced by the general society, which is why governments exist. Hell, I could CLAIM I have the right to do anything.
I don't think you get it. There is No Valid Concern. there is no proof, no evidence, no trends.
If your concern is as loli in a box put it, 2d leads to rape, then you're retarded. thats not an insult, that means you literally have no mental function if you believe those connection are real.The Second part of your statement is common sense, they are decided on by general society, in this case the japanese people.
They're not calling for bans, regulations, persecution.
but somehow foreign advocacies can impede on sovereign nations, for their global social agenda.If you can delude yourself into thinking they have grounded concerns, ask yourself this with the misery in the world, and the amount of funding they can amass
why do they prefer not to protect real children in real areas of crisis.
The game they play with japan is Merely Political Positioning.
they're not protecting any children in japan.
and I don't believe These groups should have ANY business in censorship.
because it has no scientific or social reasoning that supports any of these groups goals.If You have concerns and debatable issues about censorship, take it up with the Japanese people
You wanna to use your foreign position to play politics in another country
well then people are going to have a problem with it.Posted 5 years ago # -
since Vicious already responded just one thing..
Hitoritaka said:
Meh. Majority vote IS reason. I mean, even when we're defending the smaller groups, the only way TO defend them is for the largest group to agree that they should be defended. The world doesn't work the way it SHOULD, it works the way it DOES.Not saying it doesn't. I'm just saying what they're doing is nothing more than tyranny.
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I really don't see how they can use the loli porn might lead people to rape argument, I mean why not ban regular porn as well.
edit. oh wait I forgot they are trying to ban it aren't they? Need to go to sleep :/
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Vicious said:
I don't think you get it. There is No Valid Concern. there is no proof, no evidence, no trends.
If your concern is as loli in a box put it, 2d leads to rape, then you're retarded. thats not an insult, that means you literally have no mental function if you believe those connection are real.The Second part of your statement is common sense, they are decided on by general society, in this case the japanese people.
They're not calling for bans, regulations, persecution.
but somehow foreign advocacies can impede on sovereign nations, for their global social agenda.If you can delude yourself into thinking they have grounded concerns, ask yourself this with the misery in the world, and the amount of funding they can amass
why do they prefer not to protect real children in real areas of crisis.
The game they play with japan is Merely Political Positioning.
they're not protecting any children in japan.
and I don't believe These groups should have ANY business in censorship.
because it has no scientific or social reasoning to support any of these groups goals.If You have concerns and debatable issues about censorship, take it up with the Japanese people
You wanna to use your foreign position to play politics in another country
well then people are going to have a problem with it.o_O No, I've specifically STATED that this isn't my deal. As for leading to rape, that only happens in the mentally dis-connected, and can't be held to the general populace. I think, given how viral the desire seems to be, eventually leading to the acceptance of "underaged" relationships isn't out of the question. But that's up to them, not us. My opinion is that I'm not a fan of loli in the least because of the insatiable desires it can create, and that just frustrates all kindsa thing. But MY opinion doesn't matter in Japan lol
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Yeah...tyranny and government's also a tough topic cuz you can't please everybody, and to those being pleased, it's government, to those not being pleased, it's tyranny. I really hate politics, to be honest.
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