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deadbeat

So, CNN (their Korean correspondent to be exact) makes a big fuss over rapelay which by itself is really WOLS, but that's another issue altogether, and the entire Japanese hentai-supporting, anti-censorship brigade just put it as an America vs Japan, cultural imperialism battle?

Seriously, I really support the game makers, the commitment towards the anti-censorship rights and the freedom of speech that the internet allows and of course, I really hate the NGOs/Agnes Chan/Equality Now but isn't this just jumping the gun too much?

Mandatory 3rd paragraph: Why must everything single fucking thing between the east and the west be UK vs Japan or US vs Japan? Can't we just take it as a media organization just fucking things up as usual? I swear if its Fox News or a Japanese newspaper saying stuff like that about GTO, the reactions will be far far more muted.

Your thoughts?

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
Shi nai weaboo

Fox sucks....

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
deadbeat

thanks for your 2 words of wisdom. I know that already though, which was why I used it as an example. But lest we digress, let's not discuss Fox news here; you could always create your own thread about it

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
Shi nai weaboo

deadbeat said:
thanks for your 2 words of wisdom. I know that already though, which was why I used it as an example. But lest we digress, let's not discuss Fox news here; you could always create your own thread about it

Well I don't really have a lot more to say about them

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
casiopao

Well everything is about mass media trying to gain more profit by attracting more attention to their false accusation without any solid proof.

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
Icy-nee-san

unellmay02 said:

Well I don't really have a lot more to say about them

Then dont say anything

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
deadbeat

Can we stop this childish squabbling here please, Unellmay? By all means, DO discuss the topic even if its an obscure post but you are way way off-topic

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
Firetribe

I think there may be more to this than censorship. Recall that this didn't begin with the CNN article, it started with Loli bans in Australia and the UK.Then came Unicef trying to protect fictional
children. Next EN and rapelay bans, and then the Sea Shepherd whaling incident during the whole Toyota debacle and lastly, the comment from a State representative. If you put the pieces together, it's not hard to think that,maybe, western media or organizations are trying to bully Japan into submitting to western influences. It is mostly foreigners who are complaining about it,after all.

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
Shi nai weaboo

Can someone summarize what he said? so I can join in

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
Hitoritaka

Well, I fully agree that blowing this into an East vs West thing's overkill. Media will hype stories, regardless of what reporting agency is reporting what story.

In reference to the censorship, it's difficult and really gets into moral gray areas where society has to decide where and how to police itself. Think of it as an intervention.

As for who has the RIGHT to call for this intervention, I think it has to be the local nationals themselves. Or at least actual organizations such as the UN. But the media and ignorant masses of another nation? Come on.

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
tingle

So much cultural imperialism in the "news" that has to be dumbed down for people who don't understand other cultures.

Everyone keeps talking about islam's "war with the west" despite they have more suicide bombings on their eastern front in India, Philippines, and Russia. You know those countries that no one cares when you kill 50 people at a time.

I wonder if people would accuse the korean woman of racism against the japanese. I find little problems with my ancestral enemies I have lots of friends from countries my ancestors warred against and I enjoy their culture as well. In fact i've been on a big eastern European history kick I'm totally fascinated by their science and history.

I was reading this on fark and half the comments immediately went to the nanking maassacre and WW2 crimes. Note this is comments from white people my wife actually had family members die from these crimes in east asia and she gets along just fine with japanese and loves anime.

We need to grow up and stop being racist or assuming everyone ELSE is racist as well. In my case my racism is merely prejudices on some people and once i get to know them and they dispell my misconceptions about them merely because of their people. I really love my black friends who work hard or Muslim friends who tolerate others. I hope I can help people get over stereotypes of my people as well.

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
Huey

tingle said:
So much cultural imperialism in the "news" that has to be dumbed down for people who don't understand other cultures.

Everyone keeps talking about islam's "war with the west" despite they have more suicide bombings on their eastern front in India, Philippines, and Russia. You know those countries that no one cares when you kill 50 people at a time.

I wonder if people would accuse the korean woman of racism against the japanese. I find little problems with my ancestral enemies I have lots of friends from countries my ancestors warred against and I enjoy their culture as well. In fact i've been on a big eastern European history kick I'm totally fascinated by their science and history.

I was reading this on fark and half the comments immediately went to the nanking maassacre and WW2 crimes. Note this is comments from white people my wife actually had family members die from these crimes in east asia and she gets along just fine with japanese and loves anime.

We need to grow up and stop being racist or assuming everyone ELSE is racist as well. In my case my racism is merely prejudices on some people and once i get to know them and they dispell my misconceptions about them merely because of their people. I really love my black friends who work hard or Muslim friends who tolerate others. I hope I can help people get over stereotypes of my people as well.

^^^^^Real Truth right there +10

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
deadbeat

Just a quick note before I turn in for the night. I guess its only predominantly our generation and the one before it who does not hold such intense racial/cultural hatred unless you are in a war-strife country. My parents nor my generation by and large does not have any such cultural discrimination (they do have racial ones though). The generation before theirs, the one involved in WWII etc does though. My grant-aunt hates the Japanese (from the stories I heard) and says all kind of stuff about them. She was badly affected by WWII though so I can understand it in some way

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
Uncommon0taku

deadbeat said:
Just a quick note before I turn in for the night. I guess its only predominantly our generation and the one before it who does not hold such intense racial/cultural hatred unless you are in a war-strife country. My parents nor my generation by and large does not have any such cultural discrimination (they do have racial ones though). The generation before theirs, the one involved in WWII etc does though. My grant-aunt hates the Japanese (from the stories I heard) and says all kind of stuff about them. She was badly affected by WWII though so I can understand it in some way

ditto here, I had relatives on both sides during that particular conflict. In the States and in Japan & China.

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Nin

deadbeat said:
My grant-aunt hates the Japanese (from the stories I heard) and says all kind of stuff about them. She was badly affected by WWII though so I can understand it in some way

I've heard too many people use this excuse for being racist. For some reason, racism is looked down upon in the most fell manner, but when the Second World War is involved, peole suddenly get compassionate.

Reading Firetribe's post made me smile, though. I'll quote it for accessibilty and honour, of course:

Firetribe said:
I think there may be more to this than censorship. Recall that this didn't begin with the CNN article, it started with Loli bans in Australia and the UK.Then came Unicef trying to protect fictional
children. Next EN and rapelay bans, and then the Sea Shepherd whaling incident during the whole Toyota debacle and lastly, the comment from a State representative. If you put the pieces together, it's not hard to think that, maybe, western media or organizations are trying to bully Japan into submitting to western influences. It is mostly foreigners who are complaining about it, after all.

This is so right on the mark. It doesn't get mentioned often, but it's completely true nonetheless- the facts that Japan's culture is so different from western culture, and that western culture is the dominant culture in the world make Japan such an easy mark for discrimination. The whaling issue, for example? By most western standards, whaling is simply not done. So the large majority of the western populace condemns it, without really knowing why.

Ninsheart said:

without really knowing why.

Hey, you're so right! That happens all the time! They blindly copy the opinions from their peers and start thinking up arguments after they've ~~copied~~formed an opinion.

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
Ukonkivi

People are seriously starting to overuse the term "cultural imperialism".

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
Nin

I don't even know what cultural imperialism means. D: Did I use it in my post?

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
Ukonkivi

People aren't always responding to the person directly above them when they don't quote.

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
tingle

As much as I hate racism I hare being called racist for every little thing. In American politics if you disagree with Obama over anything even if Bush did it to or if he really is wrong and EVERYONE is wrong from time to time even me. You get called a racist by political nutjobs that are the left wing version of Gantz. he is just like every other president and no one agrees with one politician 100% of the time. if you do you are a tool.

back on topic, relevant article:
http://www.tsurupeta.info/content/open-letter-to-cnn-by-nogami-takeshi

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
T-Joker

casiopao said:
Well everything is about mass media trying to gain more profit by attracting more attention to their false accusation without any solid proof.

+ing! Not only about solid proof, they're trying to change JP culture

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