Reizo said:
I rewatched EoE and everything made a lot more sense, so thanks guys.
The only thing I'm still confused about though is why Shinji attempted to choke Asuka again at the end.
I think he saw her as the one who hated him or something
but then she tried to comfort him and he broke down
Sorry I didn't say it well but my brains not on today
Hey is it possible for one to deconstruct Eden of the east or Bakemontagari like this? is is that not the same?
nocturne said:
If there are indeed several ways of looking at an interpretation of a work (each with its own relativistic sense of value), the "broadest possible sense" means you're taking into account all possible viewpoints of an interpretation. If it is worthless from the viewpoint of the creator, it would still hold water for the originator of the interpretation. So if one were to look at the interpretation in the broadest possible sense, which is to look at both viewpoints and beyond (hence all possible viewpoints), one would see that the interpretation has value.and some more that i won't copy so this doesn't get too long
To modernize the issue, just look at canon vs. fanon. Since I'm a Touhoufag, I'll go with this: Alice is depicted as a serious, almost cruel character in the games, but the fans somehow turned her into a moeblob. Fans depict her both ways, but her personality has remained the same in all the games, so the moe interpretation is technically worthless if you were to analyze her for some reason. Like I said, the wrong interpretation can still have value, but it would be a completely different kind of value; one that does not coincide with the creator's intent (if it was even there in the first place).
unellmay02 said:
Hey is it possible for one to deconstruct Eden of the east or Bakemontagari like this? is is that not the same?
Not even close to the same. Eden of the East is a political/technological thriller, and Bakemontagari flat-out states the characters' motivations; I don't even know what there is to debate.
My mention of a broadest possible sense, or viewpoint, or whatever you wish to call it, was mentioned because the idea that a relativistic sense of value (the idea of a different kind of value, central to a personal conception of a symbol or work and mutually incomparable with other conceptions of the same symbol or work) may not actually apply if it is possible to look at all viewpoints of an interpretation at once and see that such an interpretation would have some universal sense of value the moment one viewpoint deems that interpretation to have value. Currency is worthless from the viewpoint of every living species on this planet except for humans, so while it would be correct to say that currency holds value only for people, it may also be correct to say that currency holds value from an absolute perspective.
This would tie into my whole mention of the idea of "things that have no symbolic value in the first place" being a pointed way of looking at things since the statement does not grant parity to any viewpoint of a symbol other than the viewpoint of the symbol's creator.
nocturne said:
This would tie into my whole mention of the idea of "things that have no symbolic value in the first place" being a pointed way of looking at things since the statement does not grant parity to any viewpoint of a symbol other than the viewpoint of the symbol's creator.
...Oh. I think I see what the problem is.
I was being concise with my first statement. I didn't mean that people attaching significance to something superficial is absolutely worthless, no questions asked. I meant that it is worthless if one were trying to determine the creator's intent, and there was no intent in the first place. Anyone can get any kind of message they want from it, but saying that was what the creator believes as well is incorrect.
Ah, that clears it up. There definitely is an inherent futility in trying to determine a creator's original intent in his or her work.
Freeze framing Asuka before she fights the evas...wow:
^ Good imagery in that movie
For instance
What is that supposed to symbolize?
Reizo said:
What is that supposed to symbolize?
Sex or something right?
Either way it looks pretty
Oh now I see it. She's giving the Earth a handjob....right?
Reizo said:
Oh now I see it. She's giving the Earth a handjob....right?
Something like that
Most of the second half of the movie involved sex
Which is why I loved it!
Also the first part has some where he faps to Asuka's comatose chest.
And the epic "I'm so fucked up." dub. :D
Reizo said:
Also the first part has some where he faps to Asuka's comatose chest.
And the epic "I'm so fucked up." dub. :D
HEY ME TOO!
Also!
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