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e-hentai site bans lolicon
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Posted 5 years ago #
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I just reported the futurama comics.
And
Here is a alternative that has lolis site http://thedoujin.com/index.php?page=post&s=list&tags=loliPosted 5 years ago # -
otto117 said:
This was posted by Tenboro today at http://g.e-hentai.org/. And with this, the major source for (free) lolicon on the Internet is now closed.Sure there are a lot of other free sites with stuff, but this one had it all, and in the finest quality. Tenboro's claim that his censorship cut only "30k of 150k" in active galleries is ridiculous. There was well over 150 Gb of lolicon and quasi-lolicon on the site. Moreover, work by major artists, such as Suehiro Maruo and Trevor Brown, have been removed for having just a few images that ruffle the feathers of the moral crusaders.
Shame on e-hentai. Shame on Tenboro. (And his use of the word "Polizei" as a way to pretend that he's on the "correct" side of this issue is just phony, not to mention bigoted and anti-German.)
otto117
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We've been dodging the Morality Polizei for quite some time now, using a variety of counter-idiot techniques, but now it seems that our own popularity might have caught up with us. The problem is, these people aren't whining to our hosts (or if they are, they are telling them to shove it without bothering us). They are whining to our advertisers. Which basically shifts the problem from what is "legal", to what companies who are concerned with keeping up appearances consider "moral".
And sad as it might be, we absolutely depend on them in order to cover the costs of running this place - donations are no way near enough. The hosting costs for 2009 were somewhere in the area of $46k, donations were less than half that. You'd think 3.7 million visitors would throw in on average a tenth of a cent each per month, but alas, this is the Internet and few people are willing to pay anything for anything.
Which brings us to the point: the self-imposed Guardians of Morality have decreed that certain types of content cannot exist on the same site as their precious advertisements. Therefore, starting right now, certain types of content are no longer allowed on E-Hentai Galleries:
- Depictions of underage characters ("lolicon" and "shotacon")
- Depictions of people having sex with animals ("bestiality")
I spent the last day or so improving the filtering solution, so there should be nothing "inappropriate" left, as deemed by the Morality Overlords. It's not *that* bad - it cuts out about 30k of the 150k currently active galleries. But still, not insignificant.
Note that if you come across the New Breed of forbidden content, don't expunge or report it, simply tag it with the corresponding content. The system will take it from there.
And if you want to piss and moan about this, don't, at least not to me. I don't need it, and it won't help the current situation.
Now if you'll all excuse me, some time ago I bred a shark with a trampoline, and I've been keeping it in my basement for just this occasion.
(end of Tenboro posting)
Donations would be easier if there were an address to mail, via snail mail: portions of allowance, Jewelry, Cash, Checks, Money Orders, Certified Banking Notes, etc....
For those who do not have a credit card, or those who aren't otherwise able to post transactions by paypal. And those whom aren't otherwise able to borrow their mom's or pop's plastic, to help support the cause.
If a mod could look into the matter, and perhaps find a legitimate mail service to receive mail from users and members who would like to send anything they can to help out.
Let the bank figure out the actual exchange rates if need be, as long as we can help sustain our common sanctum.
x.x
later, if it is determined to make a go of it, one of the mods could send an administrative email to all users with the mailing address to send all future donations by snail mail. For those whom are not able to donate by paypal or plastic (credit card).
Posted 5 years ago # -
Ku_fei lover said:
sigh...where has the freedom gone?
I live in America "Land of the free" or so I recall
3D loli's I dont go for
but 2D ones I do
it's not a crime
so why does it get taken away?
Did you read the thing? Freedom is exactly why e-hentai is abandoning loli materials. This is nothing to do with crimes; it is pure economics.
Advertisers, acting in self interest, don't want their ads on unpopular sites.
Loli is generally unpopular => sites that host loli are generally unpopular => advertisers don't want their ads on sites with loli => since e-hentai had loli, advertisers won't pay e-hentai
You speak as if the government is somehow stepping in... this is as "free" as it gets.
Oh yeah, in terms of "so why does it get taken away?"
Consumers of the site couldn't be bothered to donate a tenth of a cent each month (for a grand total of 1.2 cents each year). It's obviously not a monetary issue for them; just think about how many pennies you see on the street that you don't even bother to pick up. It does show how much those people care though.
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I don't use e-hentai anyway. But this doesn't look good for the future.
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churn said:
Did you read the thing? Freedom is exactly why e-hentai is abandoning loli materials. This is nothing to do with crimes; it is pure economics.
Advertisers, acting in self interest, don't want their ads on unpopular sites.
Loli is generally unpopular => sites that host loli are generally unpopular => advertisers don't want their ads on sites with loli => since e-hentai had loli, advertisers won't pay e-hentai
You speak as if the government is somehow stepping in... this is as "free" as it gets.
Oh yeah, in terms of "so why does it get taken away?"
Consumers of the site couldn't be bothered to donate a tenth of a cent each month (for a grand total of 1.2 cents each year). It's obviously not a monetary issue for them; just think about how many pennies you see on the street that you don't even bother to pick up. It does show how much those people care though.
Yeah realized this right away.
Freedom of criticising.Shure they needed too much money to keep up the site.So yeah it comes down to thatPosted 5 years ago # -
churn said:Advertisers, acting in self interest, don't want their ads on unpopular sites.
That's actually not the issue. e-hentai was a very popular site and lolicon was very popular there. (By Tenboro's own calculation, it was 20% of the active part of the site.)
One factor is that the pleasing governments which oppose lolicon (and we're talking mainly about the US, UK, Britain, Australia, NZ, Canada and Germany) is most definitely in the economic interest of the adult industry. Adult businesses that keep themselves "clean" of forbidden ideas and help to promote government policies to some degree run less of a risk of being prosecuted. (You can see what happened to Extreme Video or Max Hardcore in the US.) Another factor is that adult businesses that advertise in places where lolicon is available risk losing their merchant accounts with Visa/Mastercard. Visa/Mastercord doesn't do this for economic reasons or even legal reasons, but "moral" ones.
Furthermore, while the issue is not one of government censorship per se, neither is it free of the taint of government sponsorship. Rather, governments operate via direct political pressure on third parties and indirectly via funding, assisting and promoting the moral crusading NGOs who are behind the anti-lolicon jihad.
This is really nothing new. It's a replay of what happened 8 years ago with modeling sites of clothed, underage models. Today, the only way to bill one of those sites is by ruse (e.g., The People Image in Brazil, which has subscribers sign up to buy collections of pictures of trains or some such nonsense on a related site). There have been one or two Russian billing companies, but these come and go, because they have to use ruses as well to process payments. Again, not a question of legality or popularity. Just a question of moral crusading.
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churn said:Consumers of the site couldn't be bothered to donate a tenth of a cent each month (for a grand total of 1.2 cents each year).
By the way, your point may be well-taken, although there is no way of knowing whether it was, in fact, the case that the site could not survive without outside funding. e-hentai never made it very easy to donate money. You had to go through PayPal and, btw, PayPal would have cancelled e-hentai's account (and kept their money) the second they knew lolicon was involved. So there were never any funding campaigns on e-hentai.
It could also be that the owners of e-hentai got to like the advertising income and figured, fuck it, if the advertisers want lolicon to go, then it goes. From e-hentai's perspective (only) that would be a pure economic decision. However, economic decisions are never exercised in a vacuum.
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otto117 said:
That's actually not the issue. e-hentai was a very popular site and lolicon was very popular there. (By Tenboro's own calculation, it was 20% of the active part of the site.)
Loli is popular amongst lolicons, not the general population, or more specifically, intended target audiences of advertising companies.
otto117 said:
One factor is that the pleasing governments which oppose lolicon (and we're talking mainly about the US, UK, Britain, Australia, NZ, Canada and Germany) is most definitely in the economic interest of the adult industry. Adult businesses that keep themselves "clean" of forbidden ideas and help to promote government policies to some degree run less of a risk of being prosecuted. (You can see what happened to Extreme Video or Max Hardcore in the US.) Another factor is that adult businesses that advertise in places where lolicon is available risk losing their merchant accounts with Visa/Mastercard. Visa/Mastercord doesn't do this for economic reasons or even legal reasons, but "moral" ones.Furthermore, while the issue is not one of government censorship per se, neither is it free of the taint of government sponsorship. Rather, governments operate via direct political pressure on third parties and indirectly via funding, assisting and promoting the moral crusading NGOs who are behind the anti-lolicon jihad.
This is really nothing new. It's a replay of what happened 8 years ago with modeling sites of clothed, underage models. Today, the only way to bill one of those sites is by ruse (e.g., The People Image in Brazil, which has subscribers sign up to buy collections of pictures of trains or some such nonsense on a related site). There have been one or two Russian billing companies, but these come and go, because they have to use ruses as well to process payments. Again, not a question of legality or popularity. Just a question of moral crusading.
I don't know why you brought up all that stuff about indirect government influencing; it's true that it plays a major part in the world we live in, but it really has nothing to do with this particular case.
The author was very clear: the site costs ~46,000 dollars to run each year. Someone has to foot the bill. You expect other people to do it for you? Consumers of that site could have wallowed in all the loli they wanted if they had chosen to pay the price, but they didn't.
Private entities such as Visa and Mastercard have the freedom to disagree with your sense of morality and "crusade" against you if they so choose. In a case like this, people who support freedom of loli had an opportunity to fight back (in this case with donations). They instead chose to bend over and just take it.
The truth is, all the enraged internet rants in the world aren't going to do a thing if you can't come with 1.2 pennies each year.
otto117 said:
By the way, your point may be well-taken, although there is no way of knowing whether it was, in fact, the case that the site could not survive without outside funding. e-hentai never made it very easy to donate money. You had to go through PayPal and, btw, PayPal would have cancelled e-hentai's account (and kept their money) the second they knew lolicon was involved. So there were never any funding campaigns on e-hentai.
It could also be that the owners of e-hentai got to like the advertising income and figured, fuck it, if the advertisers want lolicon to go, then it goes. From e-hentai's perspective (only) that would be a pure economic decision. However, economic decisions are never exercised in a vacuum.
I feel like you are just blaming everyone else. Paypal hates loli. Owners of e-hentai hate loli. Owners of e-hentai didn't make it easy to donate.
All those people are, at least, free to hate loli if you believe that you are allowed to love it.
To sum up my point, I see a lot of anti-loli activists, but I have never seen a pro-loli activist.
And by activist, I mean someone who does something as opposed to people who make internet rants.
Posted 5 years ago # -
As long as pant.su doesn't go down it's not the end of the world.
Posted 5 years ago # -
sifian said:
As long as pant.su doesn't go down it's not the end of the world.i have my sites that i visit,so this effects me 0% actually.
Posted 5 years ago # -
sifian said:
As long as pant.su doesn't go down it's not the end of the world.same here, But I wish they would have more shotacon stuff. The shotacon I like has shotas wearing pantsu.
Posted 5 years ago # -
I meanly used e-hentai to link to the hentai I last fap to. So I didn't have to upload it my self.
Posted 5 years ago # -
churn said:
And by activist, I mean someone who does something as opposed to people who make internet rants.Doing so effectively would be the equivalent of standing precariously next to a cliff and hoping a gust of wind won't push you off.
Posted 5 years ago # -
It's really a shame how the advertisers were coerced into cutting sponsorship.
I wonder who the responsible party is.
Posted 5 years ago # -
MelancholyMomo said:
Doing so effectively would be the equivalent of standing precariously next to a cliff and hoping a gust of wind won't push you off.
Achieving greater things in life requires great risk you say?
Civil rights movement, women's rights movements, American revolution ...
I almost forgot that freedom was free.
Do you know how absurd it would have been for an African American male in 1960 to stand and say "I should be treated the same as any white person" ?
If you want your rights, you have to work for them.
Posted 5 years ago # -
churn said:
Yeah, I agree with you; was just saying it isn't so easy. Lolicon bans don't effect me anyway.
Posted 5 years ago # -
MelancholyMomo said:
Yeah, I agree with you; was just saying it isn't so easy. Lolicon bans don't effect me anyway.
They came for my neighbours but i did not speak
They came for my friends but i turned away
They came for me, and i didnt see it coming o.oPosted 5 years ago # -
Loli is already banned in the UK.
So,what's MelMo to do?
Posted 5 years ago # -
Vicious said:
yes yes, but you have to look at the facts.
What would you be fighting for? Sure freedom of speech and other blah blah, but the general public won't think of it as being anything more then perverted cartoon pedophilia.
If you can't get them on your side it's pointless to try, one of the truths of living in a democracy. You need to exert pressure on the politicians, politicians want to keep their job, but to do so they need to keep their constituents happy. They're like public limited companies, kept afloat by shareholders; but shareholders will only keep them afloat due to self-interest.
Now how many people would support the cause, even if they knew the underlying truth that they're fighting for freedom of speech and other blah blah.
Further if you or some crazy politician were to protest, you would be publicly linked with the loli porn; outside the internet that is generally frowned upon.
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