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Started 5 years ago by sifian, currently has 17 posts - latest post is by N.R.

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sifian

So, I just downloaded and skimmed over the vocaloid concert mentioned on front page a few days ago. For those interested, I snagged it off animetake:
http://www.animetake.com/hatsune-miku-concert/

I don't know how to browse nico, but if someone wants to directly link the stream in addition to rips, go ahead.

My first thought is, "maybe you just had to be there". For the most part, watching that performance is no different than watching music vids- if anything it's less so since there's little to no evironmental detail.

The choreography is a little tedious. It's more or less the same 5 dance steps put to slightly different beats. Furthermore, for the most part it's just one girl dancing by herself. Choreography is most interesting when showcases interaction between multiple people or props. There were a couple of duets, I noticed a Miku/Luka duet, a Rin/Len duet and I think two Miku/Rin duets- these were a lot more interesting to watch than most of the solo acts.

Two of the more entertaining songs were #13-14, starting at 0:37. The first I don't know the name of the song, but Miku was wearing cat paws and dancing accordingly; the second was PoPiPo, and Miku was wearing an imp/devil costume and had much more exagerated movements.

I thought that Luka was the real highlight of the show; she entered at 1:08. Her dancing was a lot more intriguing that Miku. He movements were bigger and crisper than Miku, and she spent a lot more time stationary, giving quality contrast when she does move. I also think the physics of her outfit are more entertaining to watch, and prefer her technologically superior voice, but those are more subjective evaluations.

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
Mikorio

I prefer Luka too, and would love it if she got more 'stage time', so to speak. Her voice, character design and overall physics are superior to Miku in my opinion.

But Miku has a bigger otaku fanbase, so that's where the money is.

I don't think the concert's on Nico yet, but I'm not sure.

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
motaku96

Thank you. I wanted to get my hands on a nice rip of it. Maybe I'll watch it later and give my opinion then.

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
Techeese

motaku96 said:
Thank you. I wanted to get my hands on a nice rip of it. Maybe I'll watch it later

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
YuTheOtaku

oo I torrented the whole concert from moetron
and RIn is my favorite vocaloid of all time :D

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
Sukunai

There's only one negative to the concert footage, the unfortunate video quality. The guys at the concert were lucky buggers :)

I've seen both this file and the YouTubes, and they are both alas not 'great'.

But hey I'm a sucker for things Miku.

I do wish we could get a proper quality video, but I don't see it happening. Just don't think I'm that lucky.

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Icy-nee-san

Lack of Kaito has left me in despair!

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
Palmtop Dragon

Mikorio said:
I prefer Luka too, and would love it if she got more 'stage time', so to speak. Her voice, character design and overall physics are superior to Miku in my opinion.

You're just saying that because she's voiced by Yuu Asakawa. :)

But you have a point, her voice is somewhat more "realistic" (less robotic) than Miku. Though I'd argue that Megpoid's even more natural sounding that the main Vocaloids ever did.

Icy-nee-san said:
Lack of Kaito has left me in despair!

What for? He's happy eating ice cream.

You should have some ice cream too when you're in despair. :p

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N.R.

Sukunai said:

I do wish we could get a proper quality video, but I don't see it happening. Just don't think I'm that lucky.

Just wait for the BD edition. You'll get your great quality. frankly this year's concert was amazing. Instead of seeing Project Diva's Miku we got to see the HD version from the arcade, and she was walking on stage just like a real vocaloid. She changed costumes and they gave us
a promo of both the DLC to Project Diva (Romeo and Cinderella) and for the new Project Diva 2nd (Innocence and Voice are 2 examples).
and now to some specific comments:

to sifian - If you think real bands or real vocalists have better choreography then what you saw Miku do you are very wrong. Vocalists tend to just stay in place and sing like faggots. Miku has amazingly detailed moves next to them.

to Mikorio - IMHO, and I truly mean IMHO because this is a really personal thing, Luka sounds exactly like Miku only with a lower voice. So I was very disappointed with her voice when it came out. Also Miku is the only vocaloid that does not have the robotic taste to it's voice. Hence she sounds more like a human, hence she is the most popular. Feel free to flame me for this opinion, I know it's a matter of personal taste.

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Palmtop Dragon
N.R. said:

to Mikorio - IMHO, and I truly mean IMHO because this is a really personal thing, Luka sounds exactly like Miku only with a lower voice. So I was very disappointed with her voice when it came out. Also Miku is the only vocaloid that does not have the robotic taste to it's voice. Hence she sounds more like a human, hence she is the most popular. Feel free to flame me for this opinion, I know it's a matter of personal taste.

Your comment makes Julia cry.

...OR she doesn't care, I dunno. :p

Funny thing about that, Luka DOES sound like Miku, but usually when she's singing solo. However when she's singing in a group with Miku, (like the duet with Magnet) the differences become apparent.
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Posted 5 years ago # Quote
sifian

IMO this is what that concert really needed:

Probably could have pulled it off with 3 projectors.

I think I'll comment a little more on stage presence. One of, if not the most important things about a live performance is your motions need to be big and larger than life to fill your space and to make your presence felt at the farthest ends of your venue. This applies both to music and theater. This is something Bruce Dickinson (of Iron Maiden) talks about a lot about. I found one quote of his, but it's not as in depth as some of the other things he's said:

Q: How did you develop your personal stagecraft?

Dickinson: It’s one thing to project a confident air to the back of a club. It’s another to do the same thing in a theatre, then an arena, and it’s quite another thing to do it in a festival. Before the days of camera and side screens, you were just a little speck. It was a rapid learning curve.

My aim as a frontman is always to try and shrink the venue, if you can, to turn that football stadium into the world’s smallest club. At least you have to try. The essence of the Maiden experience is that we want to include everybody in it.

That's where I think Miku really failed. If she were projected to be normal sized rather than 3x, she would have had no stage presence whatsoever, with the exception of PoPiPo. I though Rin succeeded a little better in this regard, but Luka was the only one that really went out of her way to fill the stage space.

Here's two performances that I think are particularly good. Both of these would be awesome to see in person- you'd get more out of it than just watching a video. For the bulk of the vocaloid performance, I'm not sure what the advantage would be for being there over watching it at my computer.

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N.R.

You just made my day - these Kylie Minouge and Iron Maiden videos are a brilliant example of what I wrote earlier. Kylie walked across the stage when entering and when leaving and the rest of the video was her flapping her hands and standing in one spot! The Iron Maiden video was even worse. The song itself was great but you can't help but notice all they do is stay in place and play their instruments. Please differentiate choreography from presence on stage. Kylie and Iron Maiden might have had much stronger presence on stage but In my earlier post I wrote about choreography. Kylie's and Iron Maiden's videos had no choreography at all (unless you count paid dancers in the background or a man waving a flag with a stupid smirk).

Cutting to the point you seem to be disappointed with Miku's "aura" (or presence on stage). This is evident for obvious reasons - she is not a human. But to that extend I think Crypton and Sega are doing an amazing job at evolving her more and more. I'm sure all the vocaloids will look even better on stage next year. If it's a matter of presence then they will improve over time, just like any other "singer". Heck, 2 years ago I wouldn't even think of having a conversation about this stuff at all. Miku's influence on the way we think is amazing, even without the music taken in mind.

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
motaku96

Sukunai said:

I do wish we could get a proper quality video, but I don't see it happening. Just don't think I'm that lucky.

Follow the instructions on the banner of nyaatorrents and vote to have the concert put on blu-ray.

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
YuTheOtaku

the honey video is my favorite vocaloid video of all time :D and I've seen alot of them.

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
AskaOPK

I'd prefer the X Japan one, but oh well, my miku fanatism is big.

Oh, by the way, I made a thread with the audio of this concert, in case you're interested.

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
sifian

N.R. said:
You just made my day - these Kylie Minouge and Iron Maiden videos are a brilliant example of what I wrote earlier. Kylie walked across the stage when entering and when leaving and the rest of the video was her flapping her hands and standing in one spot! The Iron Maiden video was even worse. The song itself was great but you can't help but notice all they do is stay in place and play their instruments. Please differentiate choreography from presence on stage. Kylie and Iron Maiden might have had much stronger presence on stage but In my earlier post I wrote about choreography. Kylie's and Iron Maiden's videos had no choreography at all (unless you count paid dancers in the background or a man waving a flag with a stupid smirk).

Well first off, you posted while I was composing my post, so I didn't see it ahead of time.

Second, I didn't mean to imply that Miku's dancing was in anyway bad, but it's not how to make an impression in a large venue. I'm quite aware of how crude Iron Maiden's performance is, but it wasn't technical finesse I was talking about. It was the jumping up on and off off props- the playing of guitars are weird angles- various activities that people on stage do to make themselves appear larger than they really are. Video feeds and camera zooms (or larger than life projection) is a comparatively boring way to accomplish the same end.

The Kylie Minogue video was more about the importance of backup dancers. Seeing 10 people doing something of moderate complexity in sync or mirrored sync is a lot cooler than seeing one person do something of high complexity. In that same regard, the duets were all cooler than the solo acts.

I've seen The Who in concert, and the musical quality was superb, and their light show on their screen was very pretty, but those real people did nothing to expand their presence and it made for a kind of boring concert. I didn't feel like I got anything out of the experience that I wouldn't have gotten out of popping in a DVD... especially since the acoustics of a hockey arena are not impressive- it's not like a classical concert where there's no action to watch but the audio quality is superior to anything you could enjoy at home.

N.R. said:
Cutting to the point you seem to be disappointed with Miku's "aura" (or presence on stage). This is evident for obvious reasons - she is not a human.

This would be a lot more convincing if Luka didn't have so much more stage presence than Miku. I doubt they pulled out the good projectors for her alone. Miku's dancing had far fewer full arm and leg extensions. It occurs to me now that a lot of my gripes with Miku tie directly into her hair. Because her hair is so big with respect to her body, it diminishes the impact when she does reach and extend. PoPiPo, which I've mentioned several times, is one of the few songs where her hair wasn't full length- thus her motions have greater impact.
Furthermore, a lot of Luka's hand waving felt like she was urging the crowd ot move similarly, whereas the more complex miku was just doing it for herself.

Posted 5 years ago # Quote
N.R.

motaku96 said:

Follow the instructions on the banner of nyaatorrents and vote to have the concert put on blu-ray.

^This. When I wrote to wait for the BD in the begining of the thread that is the BD I meant. Go vote people.

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