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1. 

   otto117
   

   The gov't and Handley's lawyers are asking for a 6 month jail term plus 3 years supervised release plus 5 years probation, as well as mandatory psych treatment for looking at lolicon. What they haven't settled on yet is whether he will have to register as a sex offender and whether he'll be able to use a computer during the 8-1/2 years of the sentence. That's for receipt of 1 package of 7 mangas.

   I'm mystified why his lawyers found it necessary to lie about what the magazines were. (They claimed they couldn't tell - it was all in Japanese, supposedly. The Comic Book Legal Defense Fund also lied about it.) But the gov't's report filed yesterday lists the 7 titles by the English words on the cover or the isbn number, so a little research (enter ISBN number at google japan) reveals the complete list. (I added the romanji, so if it's wrong, blame me.):

   Nekogen - Neighboring House Family (Otonari Kazoku)
   Maka Fushigi - I Love Doll
   Tamachi Yuki - Unfinished School Girl (Mikansei Seifuku Shoujo)
   Maka Fushigi - Eromon
   Maka Fushigi - Kono Manko Ga Sugoi
   Maka Fushigi - Jidou Poruno
   Anthology - The Animal Sex Anthology Vol. 3 (Kemono For Essential 03)

   All lolicon save one. (Guess which?)

   The Postal Inspector who intercepted the package (sent to Handley by “cosplay café/Tomo Kawa.i” in Japan) is named Agent Raper. Does that say it all, or what?

   Posted 5 years ago #
2. 

   DHYohko
   

   again, i am glad i live in mexico. We have bigger problems than loli manga down here but it's livable and i like it here. this is the problem with having a system were you can sue a restaurant for your lack of common sense and coffe.

   Posted 5 years ago #
3. 

   Kortaku
   

   LOL @ AGENT RAPER.

   Still a bullshit conviction as its clearly not child porn. Sometimes the USA gets its all fucking wrong.

   Posted 5 years ago #
4. 

   drunkspiderman667
   

   such bs..

   Posted 5 years ago #
5. 

   GTR
   

   Kortaku said:
   LOL @ AGENT RAPER.

   Still a bullshit conviction as its clearly not child porn. Sometimes the USA gets its all fucking wrong.

   It just depends on what state and city you live... States in the east and west cost could be lenient by just giving fine and probation

   No one would touch this case in the federal level.

   Posted 5 years ago #
6. 

   AVEN
   

   DHYohko said:
   again, i am glad i live in mexico.

   vives en mexico??? amigo mio

   Posted 5 years ago #
7. 

   otto117
   

   GTR said:It just depends on what state and city you live... States in the east and west cost could be lenient by just giving fine and probation. No one would touch this case in the federal level.

   Where've you been? This is a federal case. Under federal law.

   Posted 5 years ago #
8. 

   DHYohko
   

   AVEN said:

   vives en mexico??? amigo mio

   well this was unexpected...

   Posted 5 years ago #
9. 

   GTR
   

   otto117 said:

   Where've you been? This is a federal case. Under federal law.

   i must have confused this with another case

   and where do you get your sources for this case? are u a jury?

   Posted 5 years ago #
10. 

    Sorrior
    

    I thought someone had finally ruled that lolicon was legal like last year and that this guy got the bad luck of the draw. But oh well just another reason places like the U.S. are f'd up.

    Posted 5 years ago #
11. 

    GTR
    

    Isn't this the case from Iowa btw? I thought this was already settled.

    Posted 5 years ago #
12. 

    otto117
    

    GTR said:
    i must have confused this with another case
    and where do you get your sources for this case? are u a jury?

    I'm sure you didn't confuse it with another case. You just didn't pay attention to it, like most people around here who think that lolicon is legal under US law. It isn't. What are my sources? I don't need no stinkin' sources. See attached.

    Attachments

    1. 100_-_Jt_Sentence_Recommendation.pdf 5 years old
    2. 99_-_US_Sentencing_Memo.pdf 5 years old

    Posted 5 years ago #
13. 

    Sorrior
    

    GTR said:
    Isn't this the case from Iowa btw? I thought this was already settled.

    Well this IS the american legal system it can take 20 years for a sentencing (okay maybe not but i would believe it if i heard it)

    Posted 5 years ago #
14. 

    nocturne
    

    otto117 said:

    I'm sure you didn't confuse it with another case. You just didn't pay attention to it, like most people around here who think that lolicon is legal under US law. It isn't. What are my sources? I don't need no stinkin' sources. See attached.

    You say you don't need sources, and then you upload two of them.

    I'm baffled.

    Posted 5 years ago #
15. 

    Wolfy
    

    On this site one of the commenters claims to be a friend of chris and sheds light on why he plaeded guilty...
    AnimeFriend
    http://www.japanator.com/elephant/post.phtml?pk=9978

    Posted 5 years ago #
16. 

    otto117
    

    kirballs1 said:
    On this site one of the commenters claims to be a friend of chris and sheds light on why he plaeded guilty...

    Handley pleaded guilty because he was looking at 8 years in jail and there was almost no chance that he was going to be exonerated. These aren't like Alan Moore's Lost Girls. If he lost the case, the 8 years would have been guaranteed under the federal guidelines. With a plea, he had a chance for something substantially less. It had nothing to do with money.

    The defense was inadequate in the case, but not through any fault of their own. They had to prove something that is basically impossible: that the work has serious artistic value. Neil Gaiman (via the CBLDF) was going to come in and testify that the artists are technically adept and the drawings take a lot of work. But that isn't the meaning of "serious artistic value" under US law. (If it were, then the government could only convict bad drawing that no one would be interested in anyway.)

    Posted 5 years ago #
17. 

    GTR
    

    let this be a lesson to other people...
    don't order physical materials like those mentioned by OP
    there's always HQ scans you know...

    Posted 5 years ago #
18. 

    Rantori Yakumeiji
    

    B-b-but we love physical copies of loli manga

    Posted 5 years ago #
19. 

    SaruDa
    

    Misaka Mikoto said:
    B-b-but we love physical copies of loli manga

    You can love them in jail, son.

    Oh wait, they confiscate them and then attempt to burn the little devils possessing the books when they arrest you, don't they?

    Posted 5 years ago #
20. 

    Vicious
    

    a sacrifice for our freedoms

    damn u red states!!

    Posted 5 years ago #

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