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   deadbeat
   

   Please discuss. I'm interesting to know SanCom's opinion with regards to the 3 above-mentioned objects

   There is a debate ongoing about re-casting original resin kits from Wonfes and selling them (e2046/hobbyfan) and some people were saying that this isn't fair to the original sculptors as they do not receive any money from the resales and its all just buying fake stuff. Those supporting these re-casts have argue that original resin kits are either very rare/unavailable or simply priced out of most people reach and hence they have to resort to such 3rd party websites to lay hands on those figures. They don't label it a 'fake' but more of an affordable substitute.

   The second alternative camp point of view is to get them off Yahoo Auctions Japan albeit at a much higher price then it was originally sold for, but at least its an original. Critics of this camp say that the only ones profiting from this inflated price are the scalpers who send people to queue for them in order to purchase those original resin kits. Besides, the price is much higher compared to a recast and at least a recast comes pre-painted as well (for some figures)

   The 3rd camp says that they do not buy from either Yahoo Auction Japan or the original resin kit, but rather get a PVC from the bigger companies if the figures are released. This way, the original sculptors get paid a licensing fee and the figures come pre-painted as well as being original. Those against this mindset says that the quality of PVCs cannot compare to cold-cast/resin kits and more importantly, not many resin kits make it all the way to a PVC by a big manufacturer (GSC/MaxFact/Alter etc etc).

   Personally, after reading the many opinions on the internet, I conclude that I'm in the 3rd camp and hence will not consider getting anything from E2046 even if it looks really really good because firstly, I believe in supporting the original sculptors and also technically, what E2046 sells are fake albeit on a much higher quality than those cheap knock-offs.

   What is your/SanCom's point of view?

   Some opinions on this issue.

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   Shi nai weaboo
   

   Cool story bro

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   Icy-nee-san
   

   I won't lie, I had to google what the objects were and read wikipedia :P

   PVC models, or at least the ones ive seen at my local anime shop, tend to be cheaper. Resin kits (or Garage kits as i knew em) are just to expensive for me. Again if i wanted to buy em at my local anime shop, but you can probably extend that to yahoo :P

   PVC for me <3

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   DHYohko
   

   i have no confidence in my garage kit abilities so i always buy pvc models. there is ONE garage kit figure that i would buy regardless and that is this haruhi

   

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5. 

   deadbeat
   

   Yes, but what about E2046's re-casted resin kits that come pre-painted? What are your views toward them?

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   motaku96
   

   Original resin kits, are what every otaku wants to get their hands on. The rarity value make it all the more enticing. But since it's essentially impossible to get them, I only get PVC's and I'm quite happy with them. Excellent quality if you know which manufacturers to follow. On recasts, it depends on the quality I suppose. If I can see what it looks like compared to the original and it looks good, then I wouldn't mind getting it. I don't really come across them though. So in the end, I'm all about the PVC. I usually buy them from hobby search, hobby link, plamoya, and local stores too.

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   Lucifer
   

   Finally, A topic which I can talk about! :P

   Well, It Is true hobbyist would rather go with a re-cast than the original. It's cheap and quality is somewhat just as good as the original mold. I have bought some pre-painted figures from e2046 before. Let's be honest, once It's pre-painted who is going to tell the difference? It would be crappy If the person painting leaves the seam lines.

   As for the original cast. It's far more expensive than a re-cast and they sell for the same price as a PVC..and they are not even painted. They can go for twice or three times the amount. Who wants to pay for something like that, when you can just buy the PVC version. Quality is awesome, but you've got to have the skills and talent to paint those things. Imagine e2046 sold the original and pre-painted.. you're looking at a price tag above $300+. Plus they are really hard to get.

   PVC, this really depends on the company who produce these. I personally buy from Alter, GoodSmile, Max Factory and so on. It helps sometimes to see after the release of some figure, certain web sites post pictures of them to get a better look of the final finish and not the prototype. You get your money's worth of you look for better quality and scale of the figure. If you ever seen figures manufactured from Taki Corp.. they are the worst and they sell for almost the same as a better quality figure.

   Over all, If you're a collector like me. Look for resins that you know you can paint and that it's not a huge task to accomplish. Hence, better buy a re-cast. If you're confidence in your skills in painting then think about maybe a hard-cast. If you can't do none of the above that was mentioned, then you're better off with PVC. Just know the quality, manufacture, scale and price when you make a choice. :)

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8. 

   deadbeat
   

   LuciferOniichan said:
   Finally, A topic which I can talk about! :P

   Well, It Is true hobbyist would rather go with a re-cast than the original. It's cheap and quality is somewhat just as good as the original mold. I have bought some pre-painted figures from e2046 before. Let's be honest, once It's pre-painted who is going to tell the difference? It would be crappy If the person painting leaves the seam lines.

   As for the original cast. It's far more expensive than a re-cast and they sell for the same price as a PVC..and they are not even painted. They can go for twice or three times the amount. Who wants to pay for something like that, when you can just buy the PVC version. Quality is awesome, but you've got to have the skills and talent to paint those things. Imagine e2046 sold the original and pre-painted.. you're looking at a price tag above $300+. Plus they are really hard to get.

   Maybe yes, but you will know that the recasts are not the original at all. Besides the ethical issue of not supporting the original sculptors, you have to deal with the knowledge that you willingly bought a fake and enriching a 3rd party who is profiting from the intellectual property and originality that someone else created. I will not go on more about the ensuring decrease in original works etc etc as these arguments have been repeated to death everywhere.

   LuciferOniichan said:
   PVC, this really depends on the company who produce these. I personally buy from Alter, GoodSmile, Max Factory and so on. It helps sometimes to see after the release of some figure, certain web sites post pictures of them to get a better look of the final finish and not the prototype. You get your money's worth of you look for better quality and scale of the figure. If you ever seen figures manufactured from Taki Corp.. they are the worst and they sell for almost the same as a better quality figure.

   Over all, If you're a collector like me. Look for resins that you know you can paint and that it's not a huge task to accomplish. Hence, better buy a re-cast. If you're confidence in your skills in painting then think about maybe a hard-cast. If you can't do none of the above that was mentioned, then you're better off with PVC. Just know the quality, manufacture, scale and price when you make a choice. :)

   I understand the stuff from bigger companies are generally better. I *do* have 1 PVC from Taki Corp though; its a Louise on discount and it was not a usual pose so I got it. Quality was just decent but can't argue for that price I got it at. I can't paint for nuts nor do I have the time or the equipment to pick it up, and I don't really feel its ethically or morally correct to get a re-cast hence I'm fishing for views here. Guess I still stick to PVCs for now

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   Lucifer
   

   If the argument is about not supporting the original sculptors. Yeah, I would agree on the whole 3rd party benefiting from the Original resin. But how many sites do you know stock on the originals? Not many..even on Japanese sites that I know do not stock them. They are far expensive and hobbyist now a days don't even take the hobby of painting anymore. Those that do take interest, just want them painted. It saddens me to say, but resins will pretty much be obsolete soon and PVC will be the only available. I can't say also most PVC is the right choice, they tend to have their faults. Issues like leaning, seam lines and poorly painted.

   You've just got to be a smart consumer when investing into figure collecting. I look into alot of traits of figures before coming to a decision.

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10. 

    hALOTOO
    

    The answer is simple it's all up to you

    1)I have bought PVC from many online shop
    2)I have also bought many pre-painted and not painted recast kit from E2046(VIP member)
    3)I have also paid pro to do my recast kit
    4)I have also bought a original resin from Japan
    5)Original resin cost about 120(minimum) to 200 something, while recast cost around 30-45
    6) Yes resin is superior to recast
    7)The first link figure was done by ORI not a Japanese sculptor (not Rei only Asuka and Misato)
    8)There is another garage kit that is even worse than recast

    As a buyer from E2046 all I can say is they are a real pro at what they do even though it might not be original but it is the next best thing. But how would you feel if I say that the maker are charging more than they should ,I know that is called a profit but how would you feel if they over charging you 3 or 4 time the actual cost.Like for instance dakimakura actually cost around 20 but the market price is around 100.

    Don't get me wrong it's right to support the original maker infact I do too but if I can get a quality work for a lesser price then I don't see any harm (like how I bought mass effect 2 HK version for HKD 285 that about $37).

    As for resin the level of quality is truly shine by builder not by the manufacturer and here is the ironic part if you think that by buying a PVC you are helping the manufacturer then do you think that all those chinese worker get proper payment for mass producing it.

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11. 

    deadbeat
    

    hALOTOO said:
    The answer is simple it's all up to you

    1)I have bought PVC from many online shop
    2)I have also bought many pre-painted and not painted recast kit from E2046(VIP member)
    3)I have also paid pro to do my recast kit
    4)I have also bought a original resin from Japan
    5)Original resin cost about 120(minimum) to 200 something, while recast cost around 30-45
    6) Yes resin is superior to recast
    7)The first link figure was done by ORI not a Japanese sculptor (not Rei only Asuka and Misato)
    8)There is another garage kit that is even worse than recast

    As a buyer from E2046 all I can say is they are a real pro at what they do even though it might not be original but it is the next best thing. But how would you feel if I say that the maker are charging more than they should ,I know that is called a profit but how would you feel if they over charging you 3 or 4 time the actual cost.Like for instance dakimakura actually cost around 20 but the market price is around 100.

    Don't get me wrong it's right to support the original maker infact I do too but if I can get a quality work for a lesser price then I don't see any harm (like how I bought mass effect 2 HK version for HKD 285 that about $37).

    As for resin the level of quality is truly shine by builder not by the manufacturer and here is the ironic part if you think that by buying a PVC you are helping the manufacturer then do you think that all those chinese worker get proper payment for mass producing it.

    How much did you pay a professional to paint a resin kit for you? Is it an online shop or an offline business?

    Point 7: Its sold be E2046. I believe Asuka & Misato was their original work but Rei was based off Shunya's artwork. Was there any ORIGINAL resin kit of Rei released?

    Also, what I mean about PVC supporting the sculptors is that the sculptors do get licensing payments when their work gets sold. I don't think its a percentage of figures sold but I think its a lump sum at the start.

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12. 

    hALOTOO
    

    deadbeat said:

    How much did you pay a professional to paint a resin kit for you? Is it an online shop or an offline business?

    Point 7: Its sold be E2046. I believe Asuka & Misato was their original work but Rei was based off Shunya's artwork. Was there any ORIGINAL resin kit of Rei released?

    Also, what I mean about PVC supporting the sculptors is that the sculptors do get licensing payments when their work gets sold. I don't think its a percentage of figures sold but I think its a lump sum at the start.

    About 1200 HKD I don't know whether they have online store or not(if I remember correctly they do but not sure) anyway here is his email address magicboxmagazine@yahoo.com.hk, don't worry he knows english

    Yes there was a original resin kit of Rei later adapted to PVC but that was like 2 years ago and about the irony part I was just joking no need to take it seriously
    Oh and here is a pic of their work I heard him say they have Japan pro doing their work or was it their work were no 1 in Japan I don't recall and don't know how much that is true

    

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    Lucifer
    

    deadbeat said:

    Point 7: Its sold be E2046. I believe Asuka & Misato was their original work but Rei was based off Shunya's artwork. Was there any ORIGINAL resin kit of Rei released?

    The one thing I don't support from e2046, is this Misato figure from their ORI group. That's taking Shunya's design, calling it their own and profiting from it. Besides, that figure is badly design and sorta ugly, doesn't do Misato justice.

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14. 

    deadbeat
    

    they
    

    LuciferOniichan said:

    The one thing I don't support from e2046, is this Misato figure from their ORI group. That's taking Shunya's design, calling it their own and profiting from it. Besides, that figure is badly design and sorta ugly, doesn't do Misato justice.

    IIRC, shunya only designed the Rei and your argument would be correct if your example is using Rei. Misato & asuka were shunya-inspired aka originals

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