ntbxp
I was reading about Japan Self-Defense Forces and I saw the constitution of Japan.
Well that is the constitution what i wouldnt like to have at my country.

ARTICLE 9. Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes.
(2) To accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained.
The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized.

Well, now I understand why have people in Japan against the presence of Japan Self-Defense Forces.
Any dumb can see that goes against the constitution.
And that people what are against the SDF acts for "Open city".
They even created a manga said "Muboubi Man" or "Defenceless Man" what explain to everybody that "Open city" is good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_city
http://no-war.net/manga/02/

That makes me remember what Raoh said in Fist of North Star at village of principle of nonresistance...
"The human what abandoned his will is not human. How can be called humam someone what lives in laught and flattery!?"
http://nokan2000.nobody.jp/hokuto/page02.html
(Sorry, i didnt find the traducted one.)

Americans nuked twice the japanese at WW2 and impose that constitution.
If someone can give permission to have an army, this someone is United States of America.
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Posted 6 years ago # Quote
HentaiInRealLifeIsNotAwesome

ntbxp said:

Well it was either nukes or having millions of casualties on both sides by invading the land. The constitution did take away their military power but it's probably better than the system they had in place before. You gotta remember Japan was trying to FUCKING CONQUER THE ENTIRE WORLD and I doubt America would be too trusting after the back stabbing they did in Pearl Harbor. As for the present, I don't see the problem with Japan having their own army, JSDF would practically count as one. I doubt Japan will try to take over the world again........maybe?

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Lucky Channel

They don't need an army didn't you see Ninja Assasin o.O.

Rain!!!!!!!

still plot kinda sucked lol

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
国之常さくら

Just read and comprehend it before you remember reading red textbook.

http://www.apa.co.jp/book_report/images/2008jyusyou_saiyuusyu_english.pdf

quote:

The Tokyo Trials tried to push all the responsibility for the war onto Japan. And that mind
control is still misleading the Japanese people sixty-three years after the war. The belief is that if
the Japanese army becomes stronger, it will certainly go on a rampage and invade other countries,
so we need to make it as difficult as possible for the Self-Defense Forces (SDF) to act. The SDF
cannot even defend its own territory, it cannot practice collective self-defense, there are many
limitations on its use of weapons, and the possession of offensive weaponry is forbidden.
Compared to the militaries of other countries, the SDF is bound hand and foot and immobilized.
Unless our country is released from this mind control, it will never have a system for
protecting itself through its own power.

Creating a structure where we can protect our country ourselves allows us to preemptively
prevent an attack on Japan, and at the same time serves to bolster our position in diplomatic
negotiations. This is understood in many countries to be perfectly normal, but that concept has not gotten through to our citizens.

Even now, there are many people who think that our country’s aggression caused unbearable
suffering to the countries of Asia during the Greater East Asia War. But we need to realize that
many Asian countries take a positive view of the Greater East Asia War. In Thailand, Burma,
India, Singapore, and Indonesia, the Japan that fought the Greater East Asia War is held in high
esteem. We also have to realize that while many of the people who had direct contact with the
Japanese army viewed them positively, it is often those who never directly saw the Japanese
military who are spreading rumors about the army’s acts of brutality. Many foreigners have
testified to the strict military discipline of the Japanese troops as compared to those of other
countries. It is certainly a false accusation to say that our country was an aggressor nation.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
ntbxp

>>I doubt Japan will try to take over the world again........maybe?

You can think like this.
There are two japans: before war and post war.
The two are very different.
Taking at side if japan really wanted to conquer the entire world in the past (I cant believe entirelly at massmedia), at least they need to make one to reinforce the "diplomacy". They are sayng "Amen" to almost all thing what outsea demands.(Except the whaling for meal and child porn laws change because japanese looks like a child even over 18.)

JSDF cant count as army because...let's me see...
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America: Army at Somalia defending the merchant ship of another country.
Pirate attack the merchant ship. The captain or commander give the order to attack the pirate. Uses torpedo and blow up the pirates.
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Japan: SDF at Somalia defending the merchant ship of another country or japanese one.
Pirates attack the merchant ship.
Japan have no right to "collective defense" at constitution.
They only can attack the pirate if the pirates attack SDF ship.
If they attack SDF, SDF can only attack then with same firepower of pirates by constitution.
Pirates "Dont attack the SDF! They will do nothing to protect that ship."
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"Collective defense" is something like A army defending B army against C army...
That is prohibited because ally can pull japan to a war, what japan have no right to do.
So what SDF can do at Iraq is let allys die and self protect.

USA army:- "We are being attacked!! We need reinforcement!!"
SDF:- "We will not join to a war because collective defense is against the our anti-war constitution."
USA army:- "Who is the fucker what created this fucking constitution!?"
SDF:- "Your country, sir."

Sorry for my shitty english but I hope you understand why.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
FoolyDooly

Lucky Channel said:
They don't need an army didn't you see Ninja Assasin o.O.

Rain!!!!!!!

still plot kinda sucked lol

just pointing it out, Rain is Korean :|

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
HentaiInRealLifeIsNotAwesome

ntbxp said:

So the JSDF has the right or is obligated to protect their own asses while not being allowed to help any other allies or any of their countrymen if they're not in the JSDF?

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Lucky Channel

FoolyDooly said:

just pointing it out, Rain is Korean :|

I'm well aware I am also Korean My mom wont let me forget that Rain is Korean lol.

In the movie he is Japanese or at least taken into the Japanese school for ninjas as an orphan

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
FoolyDooly

Lucky Channel said:

I'm well aware I am also Korean My mom wont let me forget that Rain is Korean lol.

In the movie he is Japanese or at least taken into the Japanese school for ninjas as an orphan

you're half, huh?

you didn't look all that Asian, or Korea, no offense. :|

btw, Hentai and I are Koreans. Though Hentai is more of Chinese

Also, I personally think that Japan should have Army AFTER they apologize all war crime committed after WWII and do something about it. This isn't just for Korea or China; after all, they made whole Asian continent against them. This is only way to be re-accepted into Asian nations. Until they take first step, not only they don't deserve spot in Security Counsel seat of US, they don't deserve army, and they don't deserve to be called "civilized nation"

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
ntbxp

HentaiInRealLifeIsNotAwesome said:

So the JSDF has the right or is obligated to protect their own asses while not being allowed to help any other allies or any of their countrymen if they're not in the JSDF?

JSDF is obligated to protect "only" their own asses at constitution.
Because protect the ally's asses at war or combat means participate to a war.

For some or many Japanese, the presence of SDF out of Japan is a outrage.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
FoolyDooly

ntbxp said:

JSDF is obligated to protect "only" their own asses at constitution.
Because protect the ally's asses at war or combat means participate to a war.

For some or many Japanese, the presence of SDF out of Japan is a outrage.

personally, I think Japan would have never been bombed with Little Boy and Fatman, if they did not ally with Nazis, since lot of scientists came from Germany and Americans even made operations of secretly "letting them in" to better themselves from Nazi technology.

somewhat in sense, if there was no Nuke, I think only victor out of it would have been Soviets/USSR.

I think educated Japanese knows this well; after all, next powerhouse is right across the sea is the PRC, and no one they have is really "ally" of Japan.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
国之常さくら

FoolyDooly said:

shut up you filthy kimuchi propaganda. You should rename your user name like "foolish dog" , because you seem to look lack of capacity for learning lolol

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
FoolyDooly

hangedsally said:

good job derailing thread and trolling, Sparky.

I don't see you bringing any intelligence in your speech. PMS much? Or are you just bitter because my sentences are too hard for you?

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Wolfy

I think Japan should have its own army for self defense.It would benefit Japan greatly I don't see why the U.S thinks it should police the world with is Idealistic views and propaganda.

On another note the world always tend to make it look like the losers of war where in the wrong.Who are we to say Japan was ever wrong.Japan fought for what they believed in like every other country in the world.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
HentaiInRealLifeIsNotAwesome

FoolyDooly said:

btw, Hentai and I are Koreans. Though Hentai is more of Chinese

LOL WUT?!
What's all this talk about Japan not being a civilized nation, they seem pretty civilized for me, they committed atrocities in the war which can't be denied but to just label all the Japanese, the current generation for the fault of their ancestors. You seem to be carrying just as much prejudice towards the Japanese as some Japanese have towards Koreans :/

ntbxp said:

JSDF is obligated to protect "only" their own asses at constitution.
Because protect the ally's asses at war or combat means participate to a war.

For some or many Japanese, the presence of SDF out of Japan is a outrage.

So they don't really have to participate in war? Isn't that a fairly good thing? Sure they can't help their allies but then they don't have to have any casualties over it either, won't the other countries just help Japan's allies anyway in the long run :/

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
tingle

Japan compensates for this by investing everything they WOULD invest in an army, in police forces. That way if anyone invades, cops = soldiers. You have SUPERBLY funded cops and still feel safe internationally as they have the US utside their borders and lots of cops inside.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
FoolyDooly

hangedsally said:
Just read and comprehend it before you remember reading red textbook.

http://www.apa.co.jp/book_report/images/2008jyusyou_saiyuusyu_english.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Incident

On February 12, the Japanese issued another ultimatum, demanding that the Chinese Army retreat twenty kilometers from the border of Shanghai Concessions, a demand promptly refused by the Chinese forces. This only intensified fighting in Hongkew. The Japanese were still not able to take the city by the middle of February, and the number of Japanese troops was increased to nearly ninety thousand with the arrival of the 9th Infantry Division and the IJA 24th Mixed Brigade, supported by eighty warships and three hundred airplanes.

Going into someone else's country? DEMANDING them retreating from their city? What kind of sick joke is this

I can find you PLENTY MORE your Japanese schools didn't teach you about.

If you don't know your own history, please do not confront me.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
ntbxp

FoolyDooly said:
Also, I personally think that Japan should have Army AFTER they apologize all war crime committed after WWII and do something about it. This isn't just for Korea or China; after all, they made whole Asian continent against them. This is only way to be re-accepted into Asian nations. Until they take first step, not only they don't deserve spot in Security Counsel seat of US, they don't deserve army, and they don't deserve to be called "civilized nation"

Apologies by mouth is nothing.
Apologies means acts.
What they should do to apologies?

・In japan have teachers what teachs "Our country sucks. Our country is evil and should apologize for everithing for ever."

・That teachers says put Japan's flag and sing national anthem at school ,in graduation ceremony or some special days for example, is positivation to war and should not do.

・The massmedia itself is against Japan.

・Nationalism is almost evil in Japan.

・Burn, destroy at protest, hummiliate, anithing to a another countries flag is illegal. But burn, destroy at protest, hummiliate, anithing to a japanese flag is legal.

・Korea, China and Taiwan citizens have legal privilege at Japan.

・It is going money and money to overseas (include Korea) per apologizes of japan.

・Japanese diplomacy is called dogeza(Self-prostrating) diplomacy.

・Japan's Democratic party plans to put right of foreigners to vote what was ordered by Korea. (The japan will be better for koreans or chinese and worse for japanese.)

What's more is need to do? Declair Japan as colony of China or Korea?

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Trepiz

LoL good stuff in here

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
FoolyDooly

ntbxp said:

Apologies by mouth is nothing.
Apologies means acts.
What they should do to apologies?

・In japan have teachers what teachs "Our country sucks. Our country is evil and should apologize for everithing for ever."

・That teachers says put Japan's flag and sing national anthem at school ,in graduation ceremony or some special days for example, is positivation to war and should not do.

・The massmedia itself is against Japan.

・Nationalism is almost evil in Japan.

・Burn, destroy at protest, hummiliate, anithing to a another countries flag is illegal. But burn, destroy at protest, hummiliate, anithing to a japanese flag is legal.

・Korea, China and Taiwan citizens have legal privilege at Japan.

・It is going money and money to overseas (include Korea) per apologizes of japan.

・Japanese diplomacy is called dogeza(Self-prostrating) diplomacy.

・Japan's Democratic party plans to put right of foreigners to vote what was ordered by Korea. (The japan will be better for koreans or chinese and worse for japanese.)

What's more is need to do? Declair Japan as colony of China or Korea?

now listening to you, I do take your point.

this kind of reasonable response I can take.

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