FoolyDooly

ntbxp said:

The question is, when Korea and China will forgive Japan? Never?

Personally, I'm not sure about this.

Japan paid for it to Korean govern. In many ways.
Asked for pardon many times... Really, what needs more?

Thing is, one thing happens to try, then some random official "screws up" so I don't even know. I mean, humanity's nature is to make ass out of ones selves, yeah, but...

tingle said:
anyway i guess the point im trying to make is EVERYONE whitewashes their history and it's no reason to discriminate against Japan. Especially since modern Japan is about as responsible and safe as modern reunified Germany.

lot more responsible then many countries, especially China. This I agree to.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Splat
ntbxp said:
The question is, when Korea and China will forgive Japan? Never?
Japan paid for it to Korean govern. In many ways.
Asked for pardon many times... Really, what needs more?

What needs to happen? People need to make better use of their Prefrontal Cortex. That's what needs to happen.

Most of the events talked about in such discussions -- that is, most events one side accuses the other of -- happened long before anyone involved in the discussion was even born. Accusations are being made by those not yet alive to be offended, against those not yet alive to commit the offense. Based on nothing more than which side of the imaginary lines in the sand you were born.

We're well into the 21st century. We have conquered most diseases. We have discovered the fundamental building blocks of reality. We have rendered them asunder and harnessed their power. We have witnessed the birth of stars. We have decoded the recipe for life. We have increased average human lifespan a threefold or more, compared to what it was just a few hundred years ago.

Our children possess more knowledge than scholars back then could hope to gather in a lifetime. We've been to the Moon, are aiming for Mars, and have sent probes to the outer fringes of our solar system and beyond. We've photographed objects at the far end of the universe, so far away we can't even begin to wrap our minds around such a distance through both time and space, and have caught glimpses of the beginning of time itself.

And yet... humanity is still not over concepts as primitive and medieval as Inheritance of Guilt and Nationalism. Still we squabble and blame one another for grievances we weren't alive to endure or commit.

It would be funny, if only it wasn't so tragic.

~~God~~Damnit people. Use your fucking...
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Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Sorrior

tingle said:
History is written by those who write the books not by those seeking the truth.

Pharoah Ramses the second recorded the Hebrew Exodus as him driving out the Jews with minimal loss of Egyptian soldiers. In Reality the slaves got up and ran, with a LOT of stolen gold, and when they were pursued, the Egyptians got owned by Jews/the Red Sea.

Japan tries not to talk about Nanking or Korea or the Philippines, but the US whitewashes a LOT of the horrible crap we did to the hawaiians and such. We say the civil war was for abolition but the reality is that the southern states already paid their debts and the North wanted to create a federal unified debt so the South could pay THEIR debt as well. Abolition was the icing on the cake. We claim Iraq was for America's safety, yet when you look at all the intel Iraq's terrorism was mainly against our allies in Europe and Arabia, America never was at risk.

anyway i guess the point im trying to make is EVERYONE whitewashes their history and it's no reason to discriminate against Japan. Especially since modern Japan is about as responsible and safe as modern reunified Germany.

Another example of such things is that if you look at history the puritans were probably booted out of england not so much for religious intolerance towards them but the opposite. Think about it england at that time was undergoing massive political change becoming more liberal while the puritans were stuck up righteous aholes. Or in our terms pilgrims aka puritans = equality now preaching what is right and just while the english of time = people like us wanting MORE freedom to do things.

Another one is that if you look at the time and method rome probably adopted Christianity as a political ploy to make is so they could just go on. Thus why Christianity gained roman values such as convert by the sword.

The world is full of such things other quick examples would be the vikings and brtish truth is the vikings had europes first parliament and were probably not the stupid warmongering idiots most would imagine more likely they were very intelligent and civilized when not fighting. I mean hell odin was a god literally OBSESSED WITH LEARNING he gave up an eye for knowledge he hung himself for knowledge that sound like a god for a bunch of savages.

I say more people should look towards history and find what they see as making sense not take what's writtenf rom one source but compile many.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Envoy Loves You

Sorrior said:

Another example of such things is that if you look at history the puritans were probably booted out of england not so much for religious intolerance towards them but the opposite. Think about it england at that time was undergoing massive political change becoming more liberal while the puritans were stuck up righteous aholes. Or in our terms pilgrims aka puritans = equality now preaching what is right and just while the english of time = people like us wanting MORE freedom to do things.

Another one is that if you look at the time and method rome probably adopted Christianity as a political ploy to make is so they could just go on. Thus why Christianity gained roman values such as convert by the sword.

The world is full of such things other quick examples would be the vikings and brtish truth is the vikings had europes first parliament and were probably not the stupid warmongering idiots most would imagine more likely they were very intelligent and civilized when not fighting. I mean hell odin was a god literally OBSESSED WITH LEARNING he gave up an eye for knowledge he hung himself for knowledge that sound like a god for a bunch of savages.

I say more people should look towards history and find what they see as making sense not take what's writtenf rom one source but compile many.

Probably the best comment made on this thread so far.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
soup

soft power is all that's needed by Japan this century.

well during the first half at least.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
drunkspiderman667

Sorrior said:

Another example of such things is that if you look at history the puritans were probably booted out of england not so much for religious intolerance towards them but the opposite. Think about it england at that time was undergoing massive political change becoming more liberal while the puritans were stuck up righteous aholes. Or in our terms pilgrims aka puritans = equality now preaching what is right and just while the english of time = people like us wanting MORE freedom to do things.

Another one is that if you look at the time and method rome probably adopted Christianity as a political ploy to make is so they could just go on. Thus why Christianity gained roman values such as convert by the sword.

The world is full of such things other quick examples would be the vikings and brtish truth is the vikings had europes first parliament and were probably not the stupid warmongering idiots most would imagine more likely they were very intelligent and civilized when not fighting. I mean hell odin was a god literally OBSESSED WITH LEARNING he gave up an eye for knowledge he hung himself for knowledge that sound like a god for a bunch of savages.

I say more people should look towards history and find what they see as making sense not take what's writtenf rom one source but compile many.

nice comment about the vikings!! another good point is that they were also one of the least prejedice people of all time. they interbred with blacks and asian, any kind of race if they proved themselves strong. they used superior tactics and superiors technology.

as for japan having a military i see no problem with it. and to all the koreans and chinesse being douche bags saying they need to appoligize STFU!

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
CJLopez

For real people, no one has noticed it seems

Japan doesnt need a army as it is, it already has one. Its named anime, moe, eroges, gal-games, manga, videogames.

They are already conquering the world through this means. Explain why they should care about a army when this already a lot of people around the world who think Japan is the best thing ever happened to mankind since sliced bread?

Besides, i would change Japan from the topic to any country in the world. Why do we need armies??? Are we expecting aliens to invade?

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Immigrant88

Personally I think Japan should have an army. If North Korea or China were to attack Japan, would the SDF be sufficient? I only skimmed through this thread, but it seems that the SDF has a lot of limitations, I believe this includes their numbers. Every country should have an army for the same reason we need police: The security and prservation of the citizens of the country and institution of state. Even if the whole world were united under one government, we would still need an army to protect us from terrorist organisations and so on, as there can still be "external" enemies, which is what I believe an army should protect us from besides aiding certain internal issues.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
MidnightTide

Why would Japan need an army, they have the Americans for that.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Immigrant88

I thik it is inadequate to solely rely on the Americans for their security becauase that would unnecessarily tie down Japan to America and thus leave no room or little room for Japan to disagree with American policies which may become unacceptable to the Japanese people in the future, not saying current policies may becom unacceptabe but future policies might. America is thus exerting too much political pressure with their armies in Japan.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
soup

CJLopez said:

soft power

Immigrant88 said:

China has already invaded quite a few countries within the last few decades, without having to shoot one bullet.

edit. can't be bothered to wait for someone to go 'no it hasn't'..

economically. It's basically taken over Eastern Russia and various other countries including some asian tigers.

thanks to capitalism you no longer have to use weapons to invade, just buy the land and everything valuable/useful.

all thanks to daddy america of course.

and adieu

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
ntbxp

MidnightTide said:
Why would Japan need an army, they have the Americans for that.

America: - Do what we wants or we will not protect you.
Looks like Japan have no rights for double jeopardy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan
http://www.mofa.go.jp/policy/q_a/faq16.html#q2

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Huey

CJLopez said:
For real people, no one has noticed it seems

Japan doesnt need a army as it is, it already has one. Its named anime, moe, eroges, gal-games, manga, videogames.

They are already conquering the world through this means. Explain why they should care about a army when this already a lot of people around the world who think Japan is the best thing ever happened to mankind since sliced bread?

Besides, i would change Japan from the topic to any country in the world. Why do we need armies??? Are we expecting aliens to invade?

Your reading too much into this. anime as a whole really not making a huge dent in the world like your saying. the avg anime fan from USA is watching/reading bleach and naruto and that mostly it. if i had to guess out of the 300+ mill American maybe 5-10 million are fans. but then again that to maybe too high. dubbing company's have been closing down recently do to poor sales in dvds. hell sales are low in japan with fans buying up to 10 copies each of a item not really giving them an accurate reading. and because hollywood is digging into anime for movies none have been successful so far, NONE they are only digging because they need movies anything for a movie. each of those anime movies have like 50+mill budget an only bring in like 30-mill max.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Sorrior

M I N N said:

Your reading too much into this. anime as a whole really not making a huge dent in the world like your saying. the avg anime fan from USA is watching/reading bleach and naruto and that mostly it. if i had to guess out of the 300+ mill American maybe 5-10 million are fans. but then again that to maybe too high. dubbing company's have been closing down recently do to poor sales in dvds. hell sales are low in japan with fans buying up to 10 copies each of a item not really giving them an accurate reading. and because hollywood is digging into anime for movies none have been successful so far, NONE they are only digging because they need movies anything for a movie. each of those anime movies have like 50+mill budget an only bring in like 30-mill max.

Sad but true. Though i don't tend to look down on the bleach x naruto guys as much as i could cause if anything their like the primordial ooze for otaku(u.s. definition) some will make the leap others will not.Personally i'm waiting for the next anime boom in this country pokemon did it in the 90s pretty sure series like robotech did it in the 80s. We're just in drought time right now. I myself am a product of the pokemon generation yet look at me now i've seen shows dating back to the 80s at least. Pretty sure same thing happened back in the 90s after the 80s boom anime to most is like bellbottom jeans or such fads that come and go and hook some while most move on.

EDIT: forgot to add that it seems to me anime otaku are the first TRULY international fandom think about it we have fans in every nation on the planet it seems. I mean yeah there is soccer but from what i can tell anime fans exist in even more places. Why i like to make a joke about us having "insurgents" all across the planet.. Course catch is we'd need to actually start working together but after that i could see us being unstoppable. Or in another way 4chan/2chan are the active versions imagine if the docile ones got riled enough to take up arms.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Palmtop Dragon

M I N N said:

Your reading too much into this. anime as a whole really not making a huge dent in the world like your saying. the avg anime fan from USA is watching/reading bleach and naruto and that mostly it. if i had to guess out of the 300+ mill American maybe 5-10 million are fans. but then again that to maybe too high. dubbing company's have been closing down recently do to poor sales in dvds. hell sales are low in japan with fans buying up to 10 copies each of a item not really giving them an accurate reading. and because hollywood is digging into anime for movies none have been successful so far, NONE they are only digging because they need movies anything for a movie. each of those anime movies have like 50+mill budget an only bring in like 30-mill max.

And I think you're being close-minded. As an example, Christianity didn't exactly convert Roman Empire overnight, and over two thousand years later it may still not have encompassed the world, but even you have to admit it is one of the (if not THE) dominant religion of the world. It'll take time, don't worry. Hollywood or whatever dominant cultural disseminator will coopt anime like the Romans did with the Christian sect. That is, assuming they haven't done so already, considering...

So therefore Japan shouldn't be prohibited from forming their own armed forces other than the JSDF, but do they really need to?

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
ntbxp

Skribulous said:

So therefore Japan shouldn't be prohibited from forming their own armed forces other than the JSDF, but do they really need to?

Diplomacy with no army is only mouth, can do nothing.
Army with no diplomacy is violence only.

They need army at least for diplomacy.
If japan continue having not army, they will continue the "kowtow diplomacy".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogeza

If army in japan born from Companies like AC4, I wont be surprised.

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