Well, it will be 65 years after the war.
Japan is no more imperial and now democratic.
They are not an nazi.
In my opinion Japan should have a army for diplomacy and for some protection against China.
Put Japan at risk dismantlement for apologies too much than needed.
ntbxp said:
In my opinion Japan should have a army for diplomacy and for some protection against China.
this I also agree to
dismantlement part I'm currently absorbing
Another my opinion is "Japan apologized too more than needed."
I dont think japan should apologize more than now.
It's 65 years. The past has gone.
The idea of the generations borning with sins is disgusting.
China and Korea took too much money using the past of japan.
In my viewpoint, who is attacking japan now is corea and china, using Democratic party of Japan.
ntbxp said:
Another my opinion is "Japan apologized too more than needed."
I dont think japan should apologize more than now.
It's 65 years. The past has gone.The idea of the generations borning with sins is disgusting.
China and Korea took too much money using the past of japan.In my viewpoint, who is attacking japan now is corea and china, using Democratic party of Japan.
What I don't care about is moving on. In fact, moving on would be best of all countries. My preferences is that Japan least stop denying what they did. It's not for sin purpose. It's to make sure they know why they're taught as "losers", personally I think that's inappropriate also. They are called everything other countries call them, but Japanese government censors out textbook, and they learn feeble amount of truth. I'm not saying it should be mandated, the truth, or anything. But if they're going to teach "abridged" they shouldn't teach it at all.
That's in my all honest opinion. That's all I want. They have right to know the truth. And previous government blocked out all access to it.
hangedsally said:
Just read and comprehend it before you remember reading red textbook.http://www.apa.co.jp/book_report/images/2008jyusyou_saiyuusyu_english.pdf
quote:
The Tokyo Trials tried to push all the responsibility for the war onto Japan. And that mind ..........
O.O LOLOLOLLOZ LMFAO
What are you reading? COVERUPJAPANHISTORY textbook? Most of that shit you said is bullshit.
Japan's eagerness to become a permanent member of the UN Security Council has met with strong opposition from the People's Republic of China and North and South Korea because of the perceived refusal of Japan to take full responsibility for its World War II atrocities
Most Asian countries still bring up shit japan has done thru that war
most now are super friends with japan but they never forget.
The reasons for the protests are varied, including very controversial Japanese history books approved by the government
^^^^^ think you reading from that section of your country's history
book.
At least US history books tells people who we invaded why we invaded how wrong it was, but how we didnt give a fuck and still went on with it. who we killed who we took land from etc. etc.
your book says "They was nice army hurt nobody" <.< 10+Asian countries would beg to differ.
Also this is how I see it stop bitching. it was WAR!!!! they started it. they was defeated. WE TOOK over you know most countries wouldn't even have gave japan this fucking opportunity people need to remember that. people like russia would have locked down japan hence why we started the A-bombs so russia wouldn't invade japan. or say china invade we know what would have happen.
everyone makes USA out to be the bad guy because the country we in lost to us in a war. last time I checked you didn't have to give back territory and shit you got in a WAR. you think if anyone invaded the U.S they would let us keep all the things we have now? HELL NO. and you cant really say the Jsdf is limited. most japanese don't even care its most people outside japan that bitches. I can understand not caring i got the backing of the most powerful nation in the world not only that my solider and forces get the same training as navy seals and deltafocre rangers etc. and they train in Yakima Washington(USA). china would have been invade maybe north korean if that backing wasn't in place.
FoolyDooly said:
My preferences is that Japan least stop denying what they did. It's not for sin purpose.
Let's see if japan accept the past...
"At 2nd war....We killed 99,99% of Korea!! We destroyed almost entire China!! We are all enbodyment of evil!! We are the worst thing on the Earth!! I apologize for that."
And end in nothing? I dont think so.
All sins should be punished.
And Japan was already punished again, again, again, again for same sin.
What I want to say is...
First, They are not denyng their responsabilities but I think there are more corpses than Japan really killed.
Second, all the country teaches the history with differences.
America for example, they says airplane was created by Wright brothers, but at Korea says it borned on Korea 300 years before the Wright brothers.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%9F%93%E5%9B%BD%E8%B5%B7%E6%BA%90%E8%AA%AC
(It is in japanese but it says about "Corean Origin Theories".)
Accept or not the past, if it is truth, is not important.
Because Japan already paid for this.
Japan should not pay more than he had done at past.
Ah, I forgot to say. I'm not japanese.
hangedsally said:
Just read and comprehend it before you remember reading red textbook.http://www.apa.co.jp/book_report/images/2008jyusyou_saiyuusyu_english.pdf
Wow, looks like the history lessons in Japan is flawed as fxck. I completely agree with MINN, the US textbooks and historical information I received tells you the truth, not some horse crap that some guy could just make up and try to cover the negatives of what their country did. Hell, if Japan is doing this, I wonder if other countries are doing this too....*sigh* /facepalm/
ntbxp said:
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E9%9F%93%E5%9B%BD%E8%B5%B7%E6%BA%90
Dude, no offense, but you do know that some times wikipedia gives out false information, right? Wikipedia can be easily accessed by some random account to alter the information given, so what you're reading may be inaccurate.
It's to make sure they know why they're taught as "losers", personally I think that's inappropriate also.
Do you want the generations and generations of japanese sayng to himself
"As japanese, we should obey and do what Korea and China wants."?
Ahhh...come on...it is too cruel.
ntbxp said:
It's to make sure they know why they're taught as "losers", personally I think that's inappropriate also.Do you want the generations and generations of japanese sayng to himself
"As japanese, we should obey and do what Korea and China wants."?Ahhh...come on...it is too cruel.
I'm not saying they should be like Germany where they killed millions of Jews. But they did commit something of similarity all over the Asia, not just in Korea and China. I just wish they didn't teach lies. That's all I wish. If kids want to know, let them find out truth on their own, then. I think teaching them lies won't make 'em better human.
I mean, for godsake, most of people think just because I'm Korean I hate Japanese. No I do not. :( But that's the kind of things Japanese media and school teaches. That's what I'm against; seeing hardheaded idiot like BumheadSally who hasn't seen views from three point of the story. I'm not saying I lived it, but as person who lived in Korea and America, I can certainly say atrocity recorded I learned is not a lie, just like how all Falum Gong practitioners are killed by CCP.
Ridley Timberlake said:
Wow, looks like the history lessons in Japan is flawed as fxck. I completely agree with MINN, the US textbooks and historical information I received tells you the truth, not some horse crap that some guy could just make up and try to cover the negatives of what their country did. Hell, if Japan is doing this, I wonder if other countries are doing this too....*sigh* /facepalm/
Well, that IS History. There are no only one point of view.
No one view are 100% credule at minimun details.
Even in my country says the airplane was made by Santos Dumont.
How to know who are lieing?
Ridley Timberlake said:
Dude, no offense, but you do know that some times wikipedia gives out false information, right? Wikipedia can be easily accessed by some random account to alter the information given, so what you're reading may be inaccurate.
Yeah, I know. It is not 100% trustful(?).
But extreme demonstration of hatred against Japan by Korea makes me to give a "little" trust about it. something about 60%.
FoolyDooly said:
I'm not saying they should be like Germany where they killed millions of Jews. But they did commit something of similarity all over the Asia, not just in Korea and China. I just wish they didn't teach lies. That's all I wish. If kids want to know, let them find out truth on their own, then. I think teaching them lies won't make 'em better human.
I mean, for godsake, most of people think just because I'm Korean I hate Japanese. No I do not. :( But that's the kind of things Japanese media and school teaches. That's what I'm against; seeing hardheaded idiot like BumheadSally who hasn't seen views from three point of the story. I'm not saying I lived it, but as person who lived in Korea and America, I can certainly say atrocity recorded I learned is not a lie, just like how all Falum Gong practitioners are killed by CCP.
The wrong past, I dont know, but it was no past involved when I learned the moral at japanese school. Yeah, I'm not japanese but I lived there.
Dont ask to me about what I learned about history there because I don't remember!
nnn...I was thinking...
...Maybe the truth about his country should be chased by his country's people itself.They will decide,with documental proofs, what is truth or not.
Anyway, the past counts only if it results political and economical gains. Exept this I see no reason about to one country say "this history is wrong! My one is correct!"
Ah, I have a question, no joke, if you have studied in Korea, can tell me for example, if korea's school teaches that world's culture borned fron Korea? Or at least all culture at japan comes fron korea or something like that?
ntbxp said:
Ah, I have a question, no joke, if you have studied in Korea, can tell me for example, if korea's school teaches that world's culture borned fron Korea? Or at least all culture at japan comes fron korea or something like that?
There is lot of "pride" showing going on, but textbook only show only "possible" physical proof they have:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_National_Treasures_of_Japan_(sculptures)#Treasures
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bangasayusang
One of the biggest example: Material, style of sculpting, and date shows that there's high possibility that either Shilla/Shinra (old kingdom of Korea, dating back from 35 B.C. ~ 900 AD) countrymen have made it. I think there's chance Japanese came to Korea, learned it, and took it back, but either case...
There's two more I can remember but I can't remember what it was. Most are from old kingdom times, which is fine, since China, Korea, and Japan were closely tied to each other back then. They still are, except they're now more close to each others throat when one "borrows" from other...
Let's see...
(going wikipedia again.)
(accessing Buddhism.)
Buddhism borned at india.
(seeing the links.)
nnn...The allegation is japanese Buddha statues design is copied from Korean's one, right?
Well I thought would come something like, "Jesus is Korean" or "Buddha is Korean" or something like that...
History is teached really different country by country...
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Let's see. Bangasayusang at jpwp...
The resume of defence is...
"In 1968, The presence Cinnamomum Camphora at internal 背板(seita)* make grow the probability of it being created at Japan.
Cinnamomum Camphora was not at korea when it was maded.
Pinus densiflora was at korea and japan when it was maded."
Well only the pros can say it is truth or not. Neutrality!!
*(maybe something like internal "backplate" mainframe of statue's structure. I didnt find traduction to english. If you could read japanese, it will be helpful.)
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No one born a mong should be allowed to form anything. Would you seriously trust someone who looks like he or she has Down's with even a butter knife let alone a gun?
ntbxp said:
Let's see...
(going wikipedia again.)
(accessing Buddhism.)
Buddhism borned at india.
(seeing the links.)nnn...The allegation is japanese Buddha statues design is copied from Korean's one, right?
or so is the theory. then again, Buddhism sprouted from China, so I don't see where they were going with this, except the fact that I do think they're very similar
Well it gone too far from first question, so I will end with this last one and continue about "Japanese army, yes or no!" !
I want FoolyDooly's opinion about this video.
the korean person at video says "Japan should make a unification of history recognition."
That is same to say "All the history and culture what are teaching at japan is 100% wrong. Koreans have the truth!"
That affirmation is a quite a cultural brutality against Japan for me.
ntbxp said:
Well it gone too far from first question, so I will end with this last one and continue about "Japanese army, yes or no!" !
I want FoolyDooly's opinion about this video.
the korean person at video says "Japan should make a unification of history recognition."
That is same to say "All the history and culture what are teaching at japan is 100% wrong. Koreans have the truth!"That affirmation is a quite a cultural brutality against Japan for me.
I wouldn't say what Koreans have are necessarily 100% truth. But it is definitely true that Japanese were aggressors at one point, took many countries over, coercion involved or force, either case illegal and should never happen.
I should also add on that millions died in effort not for them but for Japan. This isn't just about other Asian-nations. I'm talking about Japanese themselves too.
History is written by those who write the books not by those seeking the truth.
Pharoah Ramses the second recorded the Hebrew Exodus as him driving out the Jews with minimal loss of Egyptian soldiers. In Reality the slaves got up and ran, with a LOT of stolen gold, and when they were pursued, the Egyptians got owned by Jews/the Red Sea.
Japan tries not to talk about Nanking or Korea or the Philippines, but the US whitewashes a LOT of the horrible crap we did to the hawaiians and such. We say the civil war was for abolition but the reality is that the southern states already paid their debts and the North wanted to create a federal unified debt so the South could pay THEIR debt as well. Abolition was the icing on the cake. We claim Iraq was for America's safety, yet when you look at all the intel Iraq's terrorism was mainly against our allies in Europe and Arabia, America never was at risk.
anyway i guess the point im trying to make is EVERYONE whitewashes their history and it's no reason to discriminate against Japan. Especially since modern Japan is about as responsible and safe as modern reunified Germany.
FoolyDooly said:
I wouldn't say what Koreans have are necessarily 100% truth. But it is definitely true that Japanese were aggressors at one point, took many countries over, coercion involved or force, either case illegal and should never happen.
The question is, when Korea and China will forgive Japan? Never?
Japan paid for it to Korean govern. In many ways.
Asked for pardon many times... Really, what needs more?
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