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21. 

    DHYohko
    

    Hangmen said:

    WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA? =(

    i try not to, but it's so hard not to hate america.....especially when they stereoptype people the most form what i've experienced.

    many years ago me and my brother when tto summer camp in the US and every time we said we were from mexico we got the same chain reaction
    "you mean new mexico?" /facepalm

    "so do you rid around on donkeys and live in haciendas and wear sombrero's?" /facepalm X 2

    they didn't even know our country was right below there's.....

    if people are ignorant enough to approach me with these kinds of questions i avoid them like the plague, because they are....now if they actually bothered to look up the real mexico on google for 3 seconds they could answer those questions themselves and save me the grievious explanation that goes right over there heads....

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22. 

    tingle
    

    Michio said:

    This is due to European and Western religious influence, which is pretty much the entire planet.

    There are plenty of indigenous cultures that are very open about sexuality. They would find it very strange how much we try to censor it.

    If it's just us Abramic faiths how do you explain the Chinese being so afraid of vag yet so eager to let people watch a public execution?

    Also i must apologize to the Mexican. You have to understand most of the Mexicans who come to America illegally aren't the hard working kindly people like yourself and my neighbors. almost 1/3 of the illegals have prior felony convictions and if you are around El Paso and Jaurez or God forbid the land of fruits and nuts California you get some pretty bad shit from the Cielos. These prejudices, though unjust, come from some real world experiences.

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23. 

    qrimetime
    

    All I'm hearing is that the western hemisphere is bound by religion and some odd speculation that America isn't diverse and is too conservative..

    You ever thought, maybe, that adultery of little boys and girls is disturbing; yet, many parents do not mind their kids watching adult porn, or masturbating (unless their parents are religious, but every country has them.)

    Also, original poster, the reason why American "guro" isn't banned, is because it's humorous and enjoyable, not hormonally stimulative and offensive.

    Lastly, for the hatred of America, every country whether communist, socialist, or capitalist has its rude stereotype for every individual; We are just innately hierarchical individuals.

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24. 

    Michio
    

    tingle said:

    If it's just us Abramic faiths how do you explain the Chinese being so afraid of vag yet so eager to let people watch a public execution?

    Chinese culture has been replaced by Western influence. There isn't a single country today with an international economy that is not entirely westernized. And I don't mean just Abrahamic faiths. I mean generally European values and cultural attitudes.

    Extreme violence like a public execution is found in a lot of places so I'm not surprised that's become a spectator's pasttime there. :|

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25. 

    Michio
    

    qrimetime said:
    All I'm hearing is that the western hemisphere is bound by religion and some odd speculation that America isn't diverse and is too conservative..

    You ever thought, maybe, that adultery of little boys and girls is disturbing; yet, many parents do not mind their kids watching adult porn, or masturbating (unless their parents are religious, but every country has them.)

    Also, original poster, the reason why American "guro" isn't banned, is because it's humorous and enjoyable, not hormonally stimulative and offensive.

    Lastly, for the hatred of America, every country whether communist, socialist, or capitalist has its rude stereotype for every individual; We are just innately hierarchical individuals.

    It's not just the religion, it's the culture surrounding it. It also has nothing to do with diversity, but cultural attitudes.

    Adultery of little boys and girls may be disturbing, but so is having your face ripped off by a large piece of wood, then having citric acid splashed on the area where your face used to be. How is that not offensive?

    There is an indigenous people in Nepal that places pre-pubescent kids in dormitories and encourages them to sexually court each other so that when they hit puberty, they'll be "ready". If someone tried that in America, people would be screaming to the relevant people put to death for child abuse or whatever else.

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26. 

    qrimetime
    

    Michio said:

    It's not just the religion, it's the culture surrounding it. It also has nothing to do with diversity, but cultural attitudes.

    Adultery of little boys and girls may be disturbing, but so is having your face ripped off by a large piece of wood, then having citric acid splashed on the area where your face used to be. How is that not offensive?

    There is an indigenous people in Nepal that places pre-pubescent kids in dormitories and encourages them to sexually court each other so that when they hit puberty, they'll be "ready". If someone tried that in America, people would be screaming to the relevant people put to death for child abuse or whatever else.

    And so we come to the conclusion that America's psycho-sexual development is much different from Nepal with its distinct culture. It's less offensive because people in America find it humorous, and many American's these days have a queer sense of humor (myself included.)

    When a very old man on the popular animation Family Guy (I know, much different than Japanese animation,) hits on the thirteen year old chris, the writers script the dialogue to humor the audience.

    When a foreign item depicting adultery with nothing real humorous (besides maybe mediocre Japanese jokes that might not make sense to some Americans,) contains what it seems like to be an 8 year old girl dousing her mouth with an older man or of the same age's sex, it is different.

    It is more of the fact that the writers and fans admit that the depicted is of obscene under age; however, in norm porn, we can have girls looking as young as 15, just as long as we know they're above the age.

    Besides, you must understand the political situation that Japan or Americans will face. Credibility of a country is made up by their people, or a large individual. Some foreign people look at America with disgust because of our: Obesity, laziness, and how inappropriate we Americans are; Japan politicians wouldn't necessarily like it if the stereotype was that every Japanese was an "otaku," or a pedophile, and the latter disgust that many major world powers see of this kind of adultery.

    I like pedophilia art though, but I understand why it's banned.

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
27. 

    Michio
    

    That's true that it would be bad if foreigners thought Japanese people are just otakus or whatever negative stereotype against some country, but I think the problem has been blown out of proportion.

    Most people don't even know there is such thing as lolicon, or that there is a significant market for this type of thing. There is no evidence that indulging in this kind of entertainment harms children, but governments like the UK seem to think otherwise. They base it off some prejudice, and by making such a big deal out of this, they are ironically making their imaginary problem, a real problem.

    Remember when that Australian guy got canned for the Simpsons porn? They threw one guy in jail, but I bet you tons of people around the world heard about this news, and out of curiosity decided to go look it up on the internet. That's what I mean by creating a problem where there is no problem.

    The only crime here, is turning a non-crime into a crime.

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28. 

    DHYohko
    

    interesting theory you got going there michio, also sounds quite plausible

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    qrimetime fails to realise the difference between the sexualb attractiveness of a 2d loli of that compared to a 18+ 3d girl pretending to be a 2d loli.

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30. 

    qrimetime
    

    Archer112 said:
    qrimetime fails to realise the difference between the sexualb attractiveness of a 2d loli of that compared to a 18+ 3d girl pretending to be a 2d loli.

    That one is illegal, and the other legal?

    What's your point if I'm unable to differ the attractiveness of an underage 2D girl compared to that of a woman who is trying to attract mild pedophiles.

    Most people would rather have the three-dimensional Lolita over the 2D one, it's all about a person's superego anyways... I'm not trying to fight against lolicon, but rather explaining why it would be illegal.

    note Michio: You're right, that's because many countries hide that market easily; although, once you enter the internet, there isn't a way to really avoid these kind of things.

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31. 

    Michio
    

    Humans have been making laws since they settled down into small villages around the Tigres and Euphrates river. Laws are negative sanctions, they tell people what not to do, in order to achieve certain needs that the governing body thinks is necessary for society.

    The arguments I've heard from lawmakers concerning lolicon has always come down to something about protecting real children. But where is the evidence that this negative sanction, this law, is needed? Both historically, and scientifically, I haven't seen any good evidence that there is a correlation between viewing 2D lolicon, and an increase in sexually related offenses. How many otakus looking at moe girls and lolis actually commit crimes in real life?

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32. 

    
    

    You are very, very, very wrong.

    Most people on this site, would rather have a 2d anything than a 3d female.

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33. 

    qrimetime
    

    Michio said:
    Humans have been making laws since they settled down into small villages around the Tigres and Euphrates river. Laws are negative sanctions, they tell people what not to do, in order to achieve certain needs that the governing body thinks is necessary for society.

    The arguments I've heard from lawmakers concerning lolicon has always come down to something about protecting real children. But where is the evidence that this negative sanction, this law, is needed? Both historically, and scientifically, I haven't seen any good evidence that there is a correlation between viewing 2D lolicon, and an increase in sexually related offenses. How many otakus looking at moe girls and lolis actually commit crimes in real life?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsutomu_Miyazaki

    I remember an age in my history textbook where the slightest murder caused fear and dissonance to the whole community. Just because a thousand do not commit the crime does not mean its not worth banning over the few who do.

    Example is shown above of Tsutomu, Miyazaki who had killed four girls, age four to seven, and began the act of necrophilia.

    Archer, I was acting on general speculation. I should know that everyone here would most likely prefer a 2D girl, but what about everyone out there who aren't internet savvy?

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
34. 

    Michio
    

    Where has lolicon caused an uproar in public order? Where is the panic and fear in the streets of Japan (where all this stuff is being produced)?

    Also that's about a murder, top that off with them being little girls who he then raped while they were dead. That's not even close to a nude filter of some moe girls in high school.

    That is a valid point to consider though, about people who aren't into anime/japanese pop culture.

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
35. 

    DHYohko
    

    qrimetime said:

    Archer, I was acting on general speculation. I should know that everyone here would most likely prefer a 2D girl, but what about everyone out there who aren't internet savvy?

    it is generally considered wrong to think of someone under teh legal age as attractive unless you are also under age because that is how were "raised" with the laws around us, but this also bring about a point in what does the world outside of anime consider lolicon to be, is it a certain range or is it anything bellow the legal age? also is fisical appearance and mental maturity taken into account? there are way too many factors for a definitive answer...but from what i've seen, the world frowns upon any one above 18 dating any one bellow 18, and if your above 20 then you have problems....thats the vibe i get from the outside world.

    it is also based on mob mentallity, people are afraid of being pointed out for being different and thus go along with the crowd instead of thinking things through and cohesevly. whilst i'm not saying it's fine, trying to link 2d and 3d is a little out there.

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
36. 

    tingle
    

    Michio said:

    Chinese culture has been replaced by Western influence. There isn't a single country today with an international economy that is not entirely westernized. And I don't mean just Abrahamic faiths. I mean generally European values and cultural attitudes.

    Extreme violence like a public execution is found in a lot of places so I'm not surprised that's become a spectator's pasttime there. :|

    true but it's so disgustingly primitive. Like gawking at... well.... a dead person. Is it not culturally uncouth? Europe quit doing public executions after WW2. In America only the surviving immediate family of the victims may watch an execution.

    Also dead girls don't say no so it's technically consensual :P

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
37. 

    Michio
    

    Ya public executions are disgusting. :/ Admittedly I don't know much about China so I'll just leave that matter up to others.

    So back to loliz...

    tingle said:

    Also dead girls don't say no so it's technically consensual :P

    >___>''

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
38. 

    
    

    Sleeping lolis don't say no, either.

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39. 

    karakoza
    

    qrimetime said:

    I like pedophilia art though, but I understand why it's banned.

    pedophilia art=decent terms in saying lolis

    lol XD

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
40. 

    Aeromax
    

    It's kind of sad, because sex is a necessary part of human nature while violence isn't.

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