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Political shitstorm: I'm not quite sure I understand China

Started 6 years ago by tingle, currently has 14 posts - latest post is by tingle

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tingle

As an American I have no idea what is going on in the region. Best I can tell the Chinese are sending warships all over the south seas claiming it's their jurisdiction even though it borders 12 other countries. My wife tells me the Chinese seek to annex an island currently closer to the Philippines and everyday in the news I read of them either more and more claiming (falsely I believe) ownership of the independent state of Taiwan, or just being racist towards the Japanese and of course Tibeten Chinese who seek independence. Meanwhile I have seen more and more Chinese immigrants to America and though they are doing very well here (most own businesses and attend college at higher rates then whites and natural born americans so they are a great boon to us, we love having them here) I'm wondering what the hell is going on in the middle Kingdom? Is this business as usual or is something bad going on?

Their relationship with America is great but we don't exactly have any land that they want either. They have slowed their purchase of US debt so I don't think they have any bad political motives towards us. Russia on the other hand has quadrupled purchases of American debt since Obama came into office for the obvious reason of being able to hold it over us for political favors at the UN. Calling in that debt or trading it for short term debt could REALLY hurt us right now but I'm getting off subject.

What do people of the region feel about Tibet, Taiwan, the South Seas and China in general? Is there a fear in the region or are they always acting like this? Do you think this claim over international waters is just a precursor to offshore drilling or do they really intend to annex someone? Why is everyone trying to get the hell out like it's mexico?

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
DHYohko

i have no idea whats going on in the world cause i don't have any tv channels or read the newspaper. but when a country makes a huge deal over a character in a manga...you know a screw is loose somewhere. even the more recent article on the 2 ladies in kimonos being run out of a park was astonishing enough. after reading those stories i was dumfounded and have no idea how to react. trying to anex a country in these times is quite ridiculous and claiming they have jurisdiction in an ocean bordering several other countries is also ridiculous. i think they might be trying to divert attention away from there inner affairs or something.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
I think it's almost time for Moe Max - The Ronin Warrior.

But seriously though, China is crazy. It's funny how you hear about these racist events, and such things as children pissing in the street, when in England the Chinese are considered one of the perfered ethnic minorities.
The Chinese sectors in cities are always amongst the cleanest, and it's not unusual to see Japanese stored mixed in with Chinese stores.....

I personaly don't see China anexing Taiwan.
Although, I think if they did, the west probably would not step in to help them, as they don't stand to loose anything. If anything, the west can only profit, as Taiwan is more expensive to trade with than China.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
DHYohko

Archer112 said:
I think it's almost time for Moe Max - The Ronin Warrior.

damn straight, didn't think any one would remember that pun i made on that article :P......if they did anex taiwan, the west could go in and intervene in exchange for cheaper trading prices with them.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
It was a good pun, I actually spent time looking to see if it was a meme or anything. =P

I don't think we would get away with another war at the moment. Especialy since their is another GE coming within the next year or so, and we are still in Iraq.
Hmm, and the rest of Europe isn't really that bothered about this sort of thing it seems, last I heard, it was almost impossible to get France and Italy into Iraq.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
tingle

legally China already has annexed Taiwan they merely say "we are allowing them to continue their capitalist experiment" in exchange for some tribute. The UN doesn't even recognize Taiwan as a country. But if you know me I think the UN is a horrible failure.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
DHYohko

tingle said:
But if you know me I think the UN is a horrible failure.

when a county can ignore the UN and invade another country anyway you know it failed *coughiraqcough*

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
GTR

tingle said:
As an American I have no idea what is going on in the region. Best I can tell the Chinese are sending warships all over the south seas claiming it's their jurisdiction even though it borders 12 other countries. My wife tells me the Chinese seek to annex an island currently closer to the Philippines and everyday in the news I read of them either more and more claiming (falsely I believe) ownership of the independent state of Taiwan, or just being racist towards the Japanese and of course Tibeten Chinese who seek independence. Meanwhile I have seen more and more Chinese immigrants to America and though they are doing very well here (most own businesses and attend college at higher rates then whites and natural born americans so they are a great boon to us, we love having them here) I'm wondering what the hell is going on in the middle Kingdom? Is this business as usual or is something bad going on?

Their relationship with America is great but we don't exactly have any land that they want either. They have slowed their purchase of US debt so I don't think they have any bad political motives towards us. Russia on the other hand has quadrupled purchases of American debt since Obama came into office for the obvious reason of being able to hold it over us for political favors at the UN. Calling in that debt or trading it for short term debt could REALLY hurt us right now but I'm getting off subject.

What do people of the region feel about Tibet, Taiwan, the South Seas and China in general? Is there a fear in the region or are they always acting like this? Do you think this claim over international waters is just a precursor to offshore drilling or do they really intend to annex someone? Why is everyone trying to get the hell out like it's mexico?

You don't know about the history of China/Taiwan?

In 1949, the Communists, after what could be said to be decades of civil war (even going on through WWII) finally had the Nationalist Chinese faction, who were led by Chiang Kai-Shek, beaten on the Chinese Mainland. At that point, The Koumintang (As the Nationalists' were known) retreated to Formosa, which is the island we know as Taiwan. The PRC (Communist/Mainland China) lays claim to the island, since it merely a province prior to Japanese occupation that started in 1895, and of course, ended with WWII in 1945.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Artefact

You should also mention the fact that Japan built the place into what it is today, which is why Taiwanese attitudes to Japan are so favourable. Chinese emperors are actually on record as comparing the place to a dung heap, and prior to the Japanese moving in it was a backwater inhabited by pirates, tribals and rebels.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
tingle

Artefact said:
You should also mention the fact that Japan built the place into what it is today, which is why Taiwanese attitudes to Japan are so favourable. Chinese emperors are actually on record as comparing the place to a dung heap, and prior to the Japanese moving in it was a backwater inhabited by pirates, tribals and rebels.

wow, I know it has no natural resources but that explains why now it's so much better to mainland china.

I was under the impression red china STILL claims Taiwan even though it is technically free. It makes me wonder what China would have been like if Kai-shek beat Zadong. Of course if it had been left to Japan it may be rich now but fist there would have likely been an eastern Holocaust (Rape of Nanking)

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Ukonkivi

Most of the non pro-Chinese stuff I read, claims that in China, and according to Han Chinese, that Han Chinese are overall considered lesser than the Han group. And when in Chinese, or better said, Han control, minorities such as Tibetans and Mongolians are treated very badly.

Chinese, the Han, current side of the Chinese government, tends to paint Tibetan independence as "racist imperialism" and Dalai Lama as a "Nazi".

While I doubt the Tibetan independence is filled with all perfect saints, I have the feeling what China is saying is a bit of a stretch.

Also, I've heard some pretty bad horror stories about Inner Mongolia, an overlooked region and ethnicity as far as Chinese governmental rule is concerned.

I hear their language and culture is being taken from them, and their land being destroyed at the benefit of the Han majority against the Mongol minority.

Of course, Chinese people have just said this is racist Anti-Asian propaganda.

I'd like to go to Inner Mongolia, and Tibet, myself, and see things personally. Of course very carefully and only for a visit, I wouldn't want to life there most likely unless my experience there was shockingly good and against my expectations.

But I think the fact that many people once connected to China have sought so heavily independence, could very well mean that the bad said about China is true. The search for independence usually isn't sought that heavily without reason. Also Han Chinese in China whining about Han oppression from "racist Tibetans" sounds like Christians whining about oppression throughout "Liberal God hating America".

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Vicious

you guys are fairly knowledgable on asian history...

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
Artefact

Regarding Tibet, there's quite a bit of evidence to support the position of the Chinese as actually liberating the place from the extremely oppressive and backward rule of the Lamas. Old Tibet practiced slavery, torture and all manner of oppressive traditions, and many welcomed the Chinese. The modern media image of Tibet is largely the creation of the current and highly charismatic Dalai Lama, coupled with a romantic western view of Buddhism, and he is clearly rather partisan on the whole matter.

As distasteful as it is to say communism is preferable, that does appear to have been the case here - just look at a place like Bhutan or Nepal for examples of how well traditional Himalayan societies have prospered.

Posted 6 years ago # Quote
tingle

I guess artefact is right, but i think a modern Tibet wouldn't be so corrupt as the old kingdom. It's kinda like Russia freeing the gypsies from the nazis your out of the frying pan but into a slightly less hot fire. Catch 22.

As for the racism I heard that in the Olympic opening ceremony the parade they had with people representing all 7 chinese nationalities were all Manchu Han chinese not s single southern or ethnic chinaman in the whole bit. Why even have a parade representing diversity without letting the other people be in it?

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