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   Michio
   

   I know we already have a thread about this, but it sort of drifted away...

   http://www.sankakucomplex.com/forums/topic.php?id=107

   And another UNICEF article that caused much rage in the comments...

   http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/01/14/unicef-demands-tighter-loli-ban-for-japan/

   My main disagreement with putting the banhammer on lolis and shotas is that I see no correlation with the viewing/production of underage hentai and acting upon those fantasies.

   It seems like every time I read some negative comment about lolicon, someone will say something along the lines of, "Think about who is looking at this stuff!" Yes... Because everyone who views and produces this stuff is a deranged 40 year old white-man sitting in his basement who has already raped a number of small children. Right?

   I wasn't able to watch kodomo no jikan or strike witches with a clear conscience, but the thought has never crossed my mind of abducting a child and molesting them. I'm just an 18 year old math student with a life outside collecting nude filters of Lucky Star characters.

   What drew me to loli in the first place was not the child part, but the cuteness aspect, a prevalent feature of many Japanese things. :)

   Also the reason why loli/shota could get lumped together with real child pornography is that something gets lost in translation when you try to import something from another culture. I live in America, and we aren't too comfortable with sexuality here. I understand that in Japan, it's more accepted, and I read that in some prefectures, the age of consent is as low as 13? Maybe that's changed, I read that from something 10 years old. And of course those famous ancient woodblock prints of tentacle rape.

   The people making the laws on banning loli probably don't quite understand what they're even banning. It may come as a shock to them that it has absolutely nothing to do with the harm or exploitation of real life children.

   There is also the argument that these pictures harm the moral fiber of society. This also falls short because all I have to do is point to the crime rate statistics in Japan, particularly in sexually related offenses.

   http://www.nationmaster.com/country/ja-japan/cri-crime

   I wouldn't really consider Japan an uncultured people either with no values in anything except sex.

   This may all be a shock to lawmakers who want to put people in jail for years over some fictional pictures.

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2. 

   tingle
   

   WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE IMAGINARY CHILDREN?

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   PERSECUTE erm I mean PROSECUTE THESE BASTARDS COMMITTING THESE VICTIMLESS CRIMES!!

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4. 

   Chris
   

   Non-aggression principle, etc.

   Drawing a picture of a fictional child having sex does not physically harm a real child. If no real life child is affected by this drawing, then there is no reason for it to be illegal.

   This applies to other creative venues, like literature and what not. Good thing the 7chan /elit/ board isn't hosted in Canada or Australia lol.

   It's really too bad that, like OP said, lawmakers probably don't even know what they're trying to ban. And I've noticed that in this case (and with quite a few laws) the parties campaigning for it, do it for purely political reasons.

   I can't quite remember the quote, or who said it, but it went along the lines of "People will accept any loss of liberty, for the sake of children". It's kind of a scary thought that if someone wants to get a law passed, all they really have to do is spin it in such a way that it's "for the children".

   Anyway,
   TL;DR: NO REAL CHILDREN WERE HARMED IN THE MAKING OF THIS PORN

   - I felt no pangs from my conscious while watching Strike Witches. Is this a bad thing? lol. Pic related

   

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   I agree with the OP. I don't believe that loli anime causes someone to be a pedophile.

   Take Strike Witches for example. Sure, there's a lot of young girls running around in that anime, striking sexual suggestive poses and not wearing any pants. But they are also sprouting dog ears, wearing propeller mecha on their legs and shooting huge guns.

   If someone wants to have a fetish with a no pantsu, dog eared, mecha using girl firing a gun, I say let them. There's no equivalent in real life.

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   Unicef probably is doing the right thing. I know that loli has had a bad impact on me I feel different around kids now.

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7. 

   Lafitte
   

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   anonymous said:
   I agree with the OP. I don't believe that loli anime causes someone to be a pedophile.

   Take Strike Witches for example. Sure, there's a lot of young girls running around in that anime, striking sexual suggestive poses and not wearing any pants. But they are also sprouting dog ears, wearing propeller mecha on their legs and shooting huge guns.

   If someone wants to have a fetish with a no pantsu, dog eared, mecha using girl firing a gun, I say let them. There's no equivalent in real life.

   ...yet

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   anonymous said:
   Unicef probably is doing the right thing. I know that loli has had a bad impact on me I feel different around kids now.

   +1

   Your perception of lolicon will change, you'll feel dirty as a person. You will be different once you're around with kids, or if you have a kid of your own.

   Right now this kind of stuff is tolerated in Japan because there's not that many kids in japan (see japan's lower birth rate), and this loli/shota stuff is consumed by people who are alone and with no family.

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9. 

   Michio
   

   anonymous said:

   +1

   Your perception of lolicon will change, you'll feel dirty as a person. You will be different once you're around with kids, or if you have a kid of your own.

   Right now this kind of stuff is tolerated in Japan because there's not that many kids in japan (see japan's lower birth rate), and this loli/shota stuff is consumed by people who are alone and with no family.

   It's tolerated in Japan because culturally they have always been more open with sexuality than societies such as America or Christianized European countries. I'm sure that having a lower ratio of kids is insignificant.

   Perhaps my perception of lolicon will change, but I don't see why this is relevant to banning lolicon in general. If you don't want to look at it, then don't look at it.

   Laws should not be arbitrary. There should be a reason, and I see no reason behind banning lolicon and shotacon.

   UNICEF is not doing the right thing because they're using donation money to launch a futile crusade against something that (1) won't disappear even if it's made illegal (2) is hurting no one. Rather than using donation money to protect children in real life, they may as well be burning money.

   Convince me that your two points about low birth rates and changing perception are not non-sequiturs.

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    anonymous said:
    Unicef probably is doing the right thing. I know that loli has had a bad impact on me I feel different around kids now.

    anonymous said:
    +1

    Your perception of lolicon will change, you'll feel dirty as a person. You will be different once you're around with kids, or if you have a kid of your own.

    Right now this kind of stuff is tolerated in Japan because there's not that many kids in japan (see japan's lower birth rate), and this loli/shota stuff is consumed by people who are alone and with no family.

    what? you are joking right? you feel dirty and uncomfortable because you like "small undeveloped bodies"? well I must be a freak then because i like really tall girls with huge breasts... but then again... even if I AM freak, does that make a bad person? Am I going to start raping tall girls with huge breasts?

    just because you are losers who can't deal with yourselves doesn't make everyone else a loser too, have you ever thought of the source of your "problems" with dealing with yourselves instead? you don't turn gay or straight from day to night nor you turn pedophile for watching loli 2D images, if you do feel like one it's definitely because of other things, usually traumas and bad childhoods...

    stop watching movies, hearing songs, socializing.. simply stop living because you never know... you might turn into a psycho and go into a killing spree...

    please consider visiting a psychologist, because you guys need it...

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    anonymous said:

    what? you are joking right? you feel dirty and uncomfortable because you like "small undeveloped bodies"?

    knowingly that they are underaged (if stated).

    Like I said... If you are male, single, lonely, and no kids in your life, continue browsing for loli/shota. But once you have a kid of your own you'll most likely not want looking for it or you risk poisoning your mind.

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12. 

    Ukonkivi
    

    "Pedophilia" in general is becoming a total witch hunt.
    I don't understand why someone can in one country have sex with a certain year old and it be legal, and in another country it be perfectly prosecuted no matter how much the person cries "s/he didn't do anything! Leave him/her alone! I wanted that!!! JUST STOP NOW!!! I HATE YOU ALL!!" it's still the slammer.

    God, can't they decide on a reasonable age of consent universally by now?

    And yes, I know lolicon and ephebophila != pedophilia. That's the point, it's a witch hunt.

    Also, some girls don't develop breasts. And these laws are starting to become being called underage looking instead of underage. What's next? Getting ever of age person of underdeveloped breasts to cut them open and stuff them under law?

    Wouldn't want ANYONE to be able to date a DFC. Time for those operations you pedophila enablers.

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    haha sucks for those who live in Australia.

    (any australians here?)

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14. 

    tingle
    

    anonymous said:
    haha sucks for those who live in Australia.

    (any australians here?)

    if there are i'll post simpsons porn.

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15. 

    Kusingia
    

    tingle said:

    if there are i'll post simpsons porn.

    LOL, I agree with a few people on the board, and the comments on that article. UNICEF NEEDS to think of the children over yonder in south east Asia. Along with those in 3rd world countries, along with those in more modernized countries as well. They (UNICEF) just need to lay off out loli-manga, and *loli related materials.
    *I haven't been affected from what I do have on my external, of course I do have and look at guro from time to time.

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    The irony here is that most of the rapists and child molestors in jail/prison have probably never even seen/read a loli/shota anime/manga before.

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17. 

    Spoony_Bard
    

    I think it's perfectly fine to be attractive to young pubescent girls. (Note I said pubescent, not prepubescent.) It's a part of a human's biological programming to seek a young and healthy mate. In fact, in most cultures it was normal to get married at 12 or 13 until the Victorian era. Heck, in Romeo and Juliet, Juliet was only 13.

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    Do you know why here in Unicef don´t act here in Brazil?
    Because a lot of poor child own a gun... It´s not uncommon to see a child in some public schools in poor neighborhood carrying a gun...

    Only human rights acts here... Protecting the criminals, not the good people...

    *facepalm*

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19. 

    jujubaman
    

    UNICEF is doing the only thing that it can do. That is, diverge attention!!
    Come on!! It´s the logical choice!
    Why to spend their 'hard earned' money fighting a lost war like the absolute starvation on african kids? Or the HIV or the cholera on that same ones?
    Why to print out huge pictures of the innocent children that are dying right now in Gaza and put those posters right in the front of the lamment wall and hammas HQ with the slogan - Know thy enemy! - on it?!
    It is easier to diverge the attention of the media to a problem that has nothing to do with it. That demands only some 'important' figures and a handful of signatures.
    Is pedophilia really that huge of a problem? So instruct parents to care for their kids! So give a way that a prostitute in India can raise her daughter outside a brothel! Allow an indonesian family to have the choice of keeping their daughter instead of selling them to survive!
    UNICEF is all about words!! Because words doesn´t cost anything to they pockets!!
    We are six billion people. A hundred thousand signatures doesn´t mean anything at all!
    Even after the Victorian Era there were, and still are, marriage with 12 year old girls around the world. Among tribal societies the first menstrual period is a sign of adulthood.
    So what is that fuss all about?
    It´s all hunger for attention, for the spotlight! Not for a second UNICEF is interested in saving children! Not even imaginary ones!

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20. 

    Michio
    

    anonymous said:

    knowingly that they are underaged (if stated).

    Like I said... If you are male, single, lonely, and no kids in your life, continue browsing for loli/shota. But once you have a kid of your own you'll most likely not want looking for it or you risk poisoning your mind.

    Nice stereotype. We have a word for the female otaku, called fujoshi. It's prevalent enough that there's actually a word for it.

    I'm not sure if you're just trolling, but read my previous post again, I don't know why what you're saying is even relevant.

    By the way, kids in anime and kids in real life are completely different. They look different, they act different, and they're not even real in the first place.

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