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Matthew Shepard Act has PASSED CONGRESS; Is this a good thing, or a bad thing?

  1. The legislation, backed by President Barack Obama, would extend federal protections granted under the 1968 hate crimes law to cover those physically attacked because of their gender, sexual orientation, gender identity or disability.

    "This bill simply recognizes that there is a difference between assaulting someone to steal his money, or doing so because he is gay, or disabled, or Latino or Muslim," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said.

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    "It's a good thing" argument:

    The new legal definition of "Hate Crime" goes into effect protect all 547 forms of sexual deviancy (or paraphilias) listed by the American Psychiatric Association.

    Have a rape fantasy? "Like" animals a little too much? Gay? Pedophile? Necrophile? You're all legally protected now from... well, from what, exactly?

    Supporters emphasized that prosecutions under the bill can occur only when bodily injury is involved, and no minister or protester could be targeted for expressing opposition to homosexuality, even if their statements are followed by another person committing a violent action.

    To emphasize the point, the Senate passed provisions restating that the bill does not prohibit constitutionally protected speech and that free speech is guaranteed unless it is intended to plan or prepare for an act of violence.

    The Traditional Values Coalition had expressed concern in a letter to senators that a pastor could be prosecuted for "conspiracy to commit a hate crime" if a sermon resulted in a person acting aggressively against someone based on sexual orientation.

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    So, free speech is still safe? All well and good, right?

    "It's a bad thing" argument:

    But how long will free speech remain safe? Is this "gateway legislation" toward a more Orwellian future?

    Hate Crime laws have a history of getting way out of hand. For instance, Ireland has just recently outlawed Atheism, banning all Atheistic texts, speech and art with its new 2009 Defamation Bill introducing the crime of “blasphemous libel”, which has been signed into law by President Mary McAleese as of July 10th, 2009.

    And of course there's Holocaust denial (as stupid as that is, it's still just words) gets you imprisoned in no less than 13 countries. Again, words alone there.

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    Well, lolicon can still get you into jail, but now at least if someone roughs you up over it (police as they arrest you? LOL), you can claim Hate Crime and get a juicy settlement?

    Attempts by House Republicans to add amendments stating “pedophilia is not protected as a sexual orientation” were specifically blocked and defeated by House Democrats. Lesbian Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) expressed opposition to excluding pedophiles from the bill, and Democrats voted with her to strike any child-protection amendment.She claimed that pedophiles would not be defined within “sexual orientation,” but wouldn’t put that in writing, and refused to define that phrase “sexual orientation,” which Congressman Steve King (R-IA) said will include all 547 sexual deviances listed in the American Psychiatric Association’s DSM-III manual of clinical psychoses, including pedophilia, so now thanks to most Democrats, child molesters will be protected by federal law. In response on the House floor, Congressman Alcee Hastings (D-FL) not only admitted it would, but defended that all 547 psychoses SHOULD be defended by this new law, saying, “This bill addresses our resolve to end violence based on prejudice and to guarantee that all Americans regardless of race, color, religion, national origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability or all of these ‘Philias’ and fetishes and ‘isms’ that were put forward need not live in fear because of who they are. I urge my colleagues to vote in favor of this rule.”

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  2. Honestly, I lean toward just thinking violence is violence.
    Perhaps the existence of hate crime laws altogether should go away.

    I don't see why it makes sense to treat a certain kind of violence as different than any other.

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  3. Not entirely bad, but my problem is the current ppl that passed it. These b-tards and r-tards will take the inch, foot, and mile if they feel like it.

    Ukonkivi said:
    Honestly, I lean toward just thinking violence is violence.
    Perhaps the existence of hate crime laws altogether should go away.

    I don't see why it makes sense to treat a certain kind of violence as different than any other.

    This.

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  4. Ukonkivi said:
    Honestly, I lean toward just thinking violence is violence.
    Perhaps the existence of hate crime laws altogether should go away.

    I don't see why it makes sense to treat a certain kind of violence as different than any other.

    I agree as well.

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  5. Bottom Line: Moar freedom to think, less thought police plz.

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  6. Those with disabilities, hermaphrodites, those who belong to fringe subcultures, and those with paraphilias should get special protections from harm and abuse but everyone else should be on their fucking own. No additional protections should be afforded gay crossdressing Muslim niggers from Mexico.

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  7. It's revenge for Radicals - If you don't get the job you want or your kid didn't get a better 'Grade' - you can CRY Rascism...wait to inflame the situation and then get the ACLU to defend you for Free and crush others.

    The Lunatics will now control the asylum - It's Just that simple. America is Doomed!

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  8. Gantz_Playboy said:
    America is Doomed!

    Wait...do I actually...agree with you on something?!

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  9. Its been doomed ever since the fifties gantz...

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  10. It was doomed ever since Yankee Doodle went to town riding on a pony, stuck a feather in his hat, and called it macaroni. All Americans know this to be true.

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  11. Alessa said:
    It was doomed ever since Yankee Doodle went to town riding on a pony, stuck a feather in his hat, and called it macaroni. All Americans know this to be true.

    you know Yankee Doodle is a gay joke. its a British song that originates of back to the Seven Years' War. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee_Doodle

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  12. Alessa said:
    It was doomed ever since Yankee Doodle went to town riding on a pony, stuck a feather in his hat, and called it macaroni. [Some] Americans know this to be true.

    I lol'd.

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  13. Blitz said:

    Wait...do I actually...agree with you on something?!

    Well...it's doomed cause of YOU! (lol)

    maga said:
    Its been doomed ever since the fifties gantz...

    In a way...McCarthy had the right Idea but NO Names! He knew there were Commie sympathizers and people that were Anti-Capitalist...he didn't any proof. He should've 'Hung back' until he had "Smoking Guns"...now look the liberal pussys want to take away your Guns...and your rights to speak out against them.

    Free Speech for Them - Not for YOU.

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  14. Gantz_Playboy said:

    In a way...McCarthy had the right Idea but NO Names! He knew there were Commie sympathizers and people that were Anti-Capitalist...he didn't any proof. He should've 'Hung back' until he had "Smoking Guns"...now look the liberal pussies want to take away your Guns...and your rights to speak out against them.

    Free Speech for Them - Not for YOU.

    Welcome to the USSA, meaux feaux!

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  15. Gantz_Playboy said:

    Well...it's doomed cause of YOU! (lol)

    In a way...McCarthy had the right Idea but NO Names! He knew there were Commie sympathizers and people that were Anti-Capitalist...he didn't any proof. He should've 'Hung back' until he had "Smoking Guns"...now look the liberal pussys want to take away your Guns...and your rights to speak out against them.

    Free Speech for Them - Not for YOU.

    And I bet you think I voted for Obama too. Wrong. As far as guns go, they won't be taking mine away.

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  16. I'm not sure if I really understand what exactly is meant by "hate crime laws". The bottom line, as I see it, is that speech should be protected and violence should be discouraged - it matters not *what* words are being spoken or *who* is being assaulted. Speaking hate and practicing hate are two separate things. Words can be used as a weapon, but in those cases, you should punish the assault, not the speech.

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  17. I agree and disagree with it. I don't like it in the first place. I don't see why someones sentance should be drastically increased because they said the word "nigger" when they hit a black guy. The fact is the black guy got assaulted and that was already illegal.

    However if it does have to be kept then it's only fair that if one minority is protected by it, all minorities should be.

    It does however teach society to be less prejudice, however I don't see that the place of the law.

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  18. solace said:
    I'm not sure if I really understand what exactly is meant by "hate crime laws". The bottom line, as I see it, is that speech should be protected and violence should be discouraged - it matters not *what* words are being spoken or *who* is being assaulted. Speaking hate and practicing hate are two separate things. Words can be used as a weapon, but in those cases, you should punish the assault, not the speech.

    Agree.

    sycamore said:
    It does however teach society to be less prejudice,...

    Disagree. How many black guys do you think are going to get nailed with this law? none. If you want to get rid of prejudice, start treating the races EQUALLY for once.

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  19. SaruDa said:

    Disagree. How many black guys do you think are going to get nailed with this law? none. If you want to get rid of prejudice, start treating the races EQUALLY for once.

    Sorry miscommunication on my side. I was referring to the paraphilia section of it.

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  20. sycamore said:

    Sorry miscommunication on my side. I was referring to the paraphilia section of it.

    ah, sorry

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