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41. 

    GethN7
    

    H-Ero said:
    Tvtropes and anything related to tvtropes is bad.

    I disagree. The idea was good, but the guy who started it decided to sell out to the concept of making money and censored content to keep making money.

    I and a bunch of other people who were either banned for protesting this (or left in disgust beforehand) decided to offer the same service for free without any ridiculous rules, as little censorship as I can legally get away with it, and we don't treat anyone as a terrible human being for liking adult related works (as is sadly all too common on TV Tropes), since they are legit works of fiction and deserve to be talked about like anything else.

    Also, here is a link to TV Tropes list of things they decided could and could not be talked about (three devilheads means it was cut, the angel icons means they kept it, though some items show up more than once if they re-reviewed it)

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/content_violation_reports.php?r=1

    To be absolutely blunt, I disagree with almost everything on the list they cut and the reason they used to kill it, and not only do we nothing like this, we never plan to, because like Sankaku Complex, we don't believe in banning the discussion of something like a porn movie or a hentai game, as long as you can do so in the context of discussing the tropes and plot devices it uses.

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42. 

    Pepe
    

    tvtropes and anything related to it is stupid

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43. 

    Sylphin
    

    Shut it down and join Sancom. Lol

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44. 

    GethN7
    

    Rub-Jelly-On-Me said:
    tvtropes and anything related to it is stupid

    That's nice, mind explaining why you believe this?

    sylphin said:
    Shut it down and join Sancom. Lol

    As for shutting it down, ha ha, no. Spent way too much time helping a lot of other people set this up to even consider just abandoning the project.

    As for joining Sancom, why do you think I'm here?

    I've lurked for some time, as I find this place to an excellent source of information on lots of anime I like (Like Sekotai Yakuindomo, nice to know it's getting a second season), and I plan on sticking around since this is a great community.

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45. 

    Pepe
    

    GethN7 said:

    I've lurked for some time,

    lol that's what they all say

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46. 

    GethN7
    

    Rub-Jelly-On-Me said:

    lol that's what they all say

    Charming. Mind answering my question as to why TV Tropes and troping websites are so horrible?

    Also, you really want a reason to laugh? The reason I started lurking was because TV Tropes started banning any mention of this place and I came here to see what the big deal was.

    I started lurking because I just enjoyed reading the posts here. I didn't feel like getting an account then because I wasn't much of a forums goer back then, but I am now.

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47. 

    dukemagus
    

    I'll wait for artefact to post something about that e-mail and the rest of the stuff

    The site itself, however, seems like you copied most of tvtropes content and just decided not to censor anything

    it's a good idea reusing a good idea, but it will need more original content, not just filling the censorship gaps in tvtropes

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48. 

    GethN7
    

    dukemagus said:
    I'll wait for artefact to post something about that e-mail and the rest of the stuff

    The site itself, however, seems like you copied most of tvtropes content and just decided not to censor anything

    it's a good idea reusing a good idea, but it will need more original content, not just filling the censorship gaps in tvtropes

    Well, we just started a few months ago, so we have a LOT of cleanup to do.

    Also, since TV Tropes changed their Creative Commons license in July 2012 from CC BY SA 3.0 to CC BY NC SA 3.0, we had to use content from June 2012 or earlier, and even though we got more or less dumped into MediaWiki format, we still have to remove a lot of TV Tropes censorship artifacts and restore missing/deleted content.

    And, speaking as one of the coders, we also had to manually convert a lot of stuff into MediaWiki format and reverse engineer our own code equivalents of most of TVT's features, not to mention experiment to see which extensions would work best to mimic most of their better ideas.

    Still, your criticism is valid, which is why we look forward to new blood that can hopefully help fill in the gaps.

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49. 

    Artefact
    

    Given the general unpopularity of censorship with anime fans and the complaints made about their policies, I was not all that surprised to hear about this fork.

    TV Tropes probably went well beyond the requirements of advertisers (who would generally be concerned with adult imagery rather than the mere discussion of such topics) in their attitude towards such content, indicating the management there is probably keener to impose their values on the community there than usually seen with such a wiki.

    If a group of users involved with such an essentially entirely user-generated project become unhappy with its present direction and are placed into irreconcilable conflict with its management, such a split is the usual result.

    There are certainly many examples of this with wiki sites and open source projects. Whether they succeed in supplanting the original is another matter of course (as is whether you consider the site any good to begin with).

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50. 

    GethN7
    

    Artefact said:
    Given the general unpopularity of censorship with anime fans and the complaints made about their policies, I was not all that surprised to hear about this fork.

    TV Tropes probably went well beyond the requirements of advertisers (who would generally be concerned with adult imagery rather than the mere discussion of such topics) in their attitude towards such content, indicating the management there is probably keener to impose their values on the community there than usually seen with such a wiki.

    If a group of users involved with such an essentially entirely user-generated project become unhappy with its present direction and are placed into irreconcilable conflict with its management, such a split is the usual result.

    There are certainly many examples of this with wiki sites and open source projects. Whether they succeed in supplanting the original is another matter of course (as is whether you consider the site any good to begin with).

    I and most of the people working on our wiki fork have to agree with Artefact on how the censorship went far beyond what would be needed to satisfy advertisers. It got so bad at one point anything with the word "rape" in it (regardless of connotation or context) was removed, and when certain works had their trope pages removed, Fast Eddie himself initially removed the page on Vladimir Nabokov's "Lolita", declaring it to be vile pedoshit, or something to that effect.

    Considering that Nabokov's work is a legitimate literary classic and that is NOT the message of the book at all, many of the people who helped me get the fork off the ground would have agree that the censorship of a lot of things is just as much about imposing personal morals on an entire website as it is about making advertisers happy.

    Regardless, whether anyone here considers our efforts worth the effort or not is in the eye of the beholder, as is whether TV Tropes or troping website in general had any good qualities at all, but in any case I respect all views on the topic since everyone is entitled to their opinions.

    However, I can say we are in this for the long haul. We have the support of many ex-tropers and even current tropers disillusioned with what happened to a site we used to enjoy, our wiki service providers have repeatedly assisted us with hosting our content and developing the code we need for it, and we are willing to spend our own money to keep our wiki ad and censorship free, and while we have been going out of our way to offend TV Tropes by hosting content made after July 2012 (unless we made it ourselves or got it from compatible sources), we would be willing to legally stand up for ourselves, should that come to pass, but hopefully it won't.

    And like SanCom, we value free speech and intellectual freedom highly, and since many of the things banned from discussion are things covered by SanCom (you can't even mention this site on TV Tropes), we just wanted to create a troping fora where SanCom members are welcome, should you choose to join us.

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51. 

    Sylphin
    

    GethN7 said:
    Hi everyone! I'm GethN7, and after speaking with the Sankaku staff, I have received permission to tell you all about our site.

    Wait, are you still tellin us to visit your site?
    Or debating about censorship that split your site?

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52. 

    giascle
    

    GethN7 said:

    I agree. The idea was bad,

    ftfy eehehehaha

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53. 

    GethN7
    

    sylphin said:

    Wait, are you still tellin us to visit your site?
    Or debating about censorship that split your site?

    If you guys want to visit or not, I'll see you there, so no, I'm done with that, and if anyone doesn't want to, I'm not going to press the issue.

    However, I would like to know how you guys feel about the censorship, from an outsider perspective.

    I admit, I could be very biased, since I have a direct stake in what happened, so if anyone here has an opinion, I'd like to hear it.

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