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21. 

    jamesownsall
    

    4chan will probably be the place for them to start begging 'activism' in some form, but I don't think Sankaku is influential enough for them to care. lol

    The Japanese at large are spineless. Most of the young people don't want to care about politics, and as such, the ancient relics of pre-WWII thinkers are left to run the country as they please. If ACTA ends up changing the way anime and manga fans have to live, then it's ALL THEIR OWN. FUCKING. FAULT.

    Of course, there are a few who'd make some effort, but their amount is so small because everyone else just hope that someone else would go through the trouble for them spineless punkass bitches.

    I'll just sit here and laugh though. Anime and manga is much less important to me now and good games are starting to come out from Western studios more. Great pity as it may be, I'll adapt.

    EDIT: Watched the video OP posted. The amount of people commenting(and thus MAYBE giving some shit about it) is abysmally small compared to video run time, proving my point.

    Why something as important as this is yet to make the rounds in Ars Technica yet though is a mystery. Maybe they'll update it later.

    Posted 3 years ago #
22. 

    Poyo The Great
    

    What is ACTA and how will it affect Japan?

    Posted 3 years ago #
23. 

    kim tiu
    

    I don't think there will be a flood of Japanese invading 4chan, YT, or of all peoples, DeviantArt.

    Frankly, I hate ACTA, but then, people misunderstood it.

    The people who will enforce the act in Japan will have more problem with fans in the West and Russia than with their own people.

    How about 2chan and the Guy Fawkes people? Anonymous is considered in 2ch after all as left-wing trolls [2ch is rightist]. Japanese will just be more subtle; the companies will have to throw a bone to the fan dumb.

    In the end, the people will find loopholes, and if there is none, people will dig one.

    It is just that the honchos in the industry are using this as a last stand against indie-fication of the industry. Eventually, they will fail. There will BE mass-deletions and lawsuits, but in the end, the people will go indie as a reaction. Eventually, then mainstream works will have to freed as well. Copyright will eventually be reformed in favor of the fans as a reaction. Expect the reign of terror [the ACTA enforcement], but it will be brief and people will stand up and then there will be a Thermidorean reaction. Copyrights are not and never indefinite.

    The scenario I predict is that the DPJ will be voted out of the next election thanks partially to 2ch.

    Posted 3 years ago #
24. 

    Pyrolight
    

    generaltiu said:
    I don't think there will be a flood of Japanese invading 4chan, YT, or of all peoples, DeviantArt.

    /snip

    The scenario I predict is that the DPJ will be voted out of the next election thanks partially to 2ch.

    While likely true, the problem is that there could be "scorched earth" in the near future until thing settle down.

    Also I do not believe the Japanese are capable of standing up for their rights.

    Posted 3 years ago #
25. 

    kim tiu
    

    Pyrolight said:

    While likely true, the problem is that there could be "scorched earth" in the near future until thing settle down.

    Also I do not believe the Japanese are capable of standing up for their rights.

    Japan after all is a Confucian-culture country, like the Chinas, Koreas, and Vietnam. They still quite deferent to older people. While I agree that Japanese will be less predispose into a revolt, I think in the end there would be sort of groups not unlike depicted in the anime Library Wars.

    In the end, they will just go indie anyway.

    Posted 3 years ago #
26. 

    ntbxp
    

    jamesownsall said:
    The Japanese at large are spineless. Most of the young people don&'t want to care about politics, and as such, the ancient relics of pre-WWII thinkers are left to run the country as they please. If ACTA ends up changing the way anime and manga fans have to live, then it's ALL THEIR OWN. FUCKING. FAULT.

    Well, It's not exactly the lack of balls to protest. (this is 50% of why they don't act.)
    Japan is an false democracy country. They don't listen the people: they only listen the bureaucrats, what tells to rang up the consume tax because the people will buy more, TPP is good and other shits what means nothing to population.

    Plus, You know there are extreme right wings what uses a car to make discurses around the city and the extreme left with their megaphones, don't you? (Netouyos thinks the boths are basically korean descendents.)

    Because of those extreme bastards and because how Japaneses generalized the both wings, protesting are seen as bad things, lunacy, stupidity.

    So, to make protests, those guys needs to sacrifice their image to society, technically they need twice of the balls are need to make protests, even pacific, in Japan.

    (Seriously, why they don't use an mask to do, them!)

    Plus, ACTA passed behind the "korea claim dokdo shit in london olympics" issue, senkaku issue, "korea saying that shining sun flag is nazi flag" issue,takeshima issue, "korea trolling over emperor" issue. There were too much shit to do at same time that they were not able to do anything.

    Posted 3 years ago #
27. 

    jamesownsall
    

    ntbxp said:

    Well, It's not exactly the lack of balls to protest. (this is 50% of why they don't act.)
    Japan is an false democracy country. They don't listen the people: they only listen the bureaucrats...

    Dude, that still amounts to 'not having the balls' in the end. They look above them and they only see the short term threat. They don't want to consider the long term effects of continuous stupidity brought forth by these bureaucrats.

    Or maybe they do, but like I said, it always ends up being "...BUT THEY'D FUCK US BACK IN THE ASS!!" or "Let someone else do it". It's inconvenient.

    I mean, just look at what Internet does for Japan in general; they may be doing dogeza on a daily basis in real life, but the rage on their interwebs is massive. Being anonymous makes everyone take out the social mask they wear in front of other people, but in Japan's conformist society, this is painfully obvious(I remember reading a book about it, co-authored by native Japanese).

    The only way all this can change is if enough people gather up and show the courage to do what's right, as loud as they can, so that they can exploit another common trait of Japanese society; the hive mind. Once they see there's a lot of people taking action, everyone else who thinks the same will follow suit. However, the only people who have managed to exploit this are, unfortunately, the netouyos and the extreme right. Those are also another form of relic from pre-WWII era that needs to fucking die and burn.

    Posted 3 years ago #
28. 

    ntbxp
    

    Talking about netouyos...

    Netouyos itself became very hard to be distinguished since 2 years ago. There are guys in 2ch what call netouyo anyone what makes any critic against korea, even without intend to be offencive or racist.
    Like, "Why maintain his korean nationality if he borned, live and want to die in Japan?" (Now with takeshima-emperor issue, now netouyo are 90% of polulation of Japan.)

    Almost anyone here in sankaku would be considered netouyo, you, me, anyone.

    Now I can't distinguish the real netouyo from the poor normal guy labeled as netouyo. It became an label what gained life and It's now walking by itself. "Netouyo" really need an redefinition as meaning.

    Posted 3 years ago #
29. 

    あたしは月姫ですわ
    

    So it's basically the same as "socialist" in the US.

    Posted 3 years ago #
30. 

    
    

    generaltiu said:
    Japan after all is a Confucian-culture country, like the Chinas, Koreas, and Vietnam. They still quite deferent to older people. While I agree that Japanese will be less predispose into a revolt, I think in the end there would be sort of groups not unlike depicted in the anime Library Wars.

    I was reading The Ravages of Time, a manhua based on the Three Kingdoms (which is a great for the first half - soso later on - though it's still ongoing), and the characters there mentioned Confucius quite a lot - about how he brainwashed the masses with silly ideals and generally happy go lucky submissive thoughts.

    Wonder how much of that really is true.

    It had loads of cool lines and sayings.. but regardless, I wonder how enforceable this whole thing will be.

    I am finding it not uncommon for me to be unable to find files for direct dl nowadays as the publishers and copyright holders seem to have learnt their stuff. Private trackers are there, but don't have invites to the good ones - so I have been wondering how bad all this stuff is going to get lately..

    Posted 3 years ago #
31. 

    
    

    jamesownsall said:
    Dude, that still amounts to 'not having the balls' in the end. They look above them and they only see the short term threat. They don't want to consider the long term effects of continuous stupidity brought forth by these bureaucrats.

    Or maybe they do, but like I said, it always ends up being "...BUT THEY'D FUCK US BACK IN THE ASS!!" or "Let someone else do it". It's inconvenient.

    I mean, just look at what Internet does for Japan in general; they may be doing dogeza on a daily basis in real life, but the rage on their interwebs is massive. Being anonymous makes everyone take out the social mask they wear in front of other people, but in Japan's conformist society, this is painfully obvious(I remember reading a book about it, co-authored by native Japanese)...

    // Read this knowing that the information here might be false or misinformed

    I do think the Japs are much more conformist than the US let's say, but you're being a bit biased imo because the US populace has a whole history of essentially looking the other way when it came to these governmental litigation creeps.

    The general individual on the street is wayy too busy living their lives in these increasingly 'competitive' times to care about politics, about complex financial instruments and alien technical babble - in fact, they've never really cared about politics and these sorts of stuff as long as they are still able to live reasonably comfortable; only when issues become salient and often already raised by someone else, will they maybe join in and 'fight for their rights'.

    They want everything done by everyone else. SOPA for example - the only reason all that was dropped was because they had HUGE names like Google and 'expert' after 'expert' saying that it was a bad idea - not to mention the reasonable amount of media coverage of it on it; in those cases, for politicians and judges to actually pass the rule would be viewed as ridiculous by everyone who was watching (it's a very observable fact that the more salient the actions of those in power is, the less likely they abuse it).

    People don't really care about SOPA itself, most probably don't even know about it and what it was (I don't much tbh) - but they would care about the US government ignoring culturally widely held 'experts' - holders of the 'truth' - like 'Google' and 'Tim Burners Lee' the co-founder of the internet and going ahead with their actions.

    I'd make a big bet, and say that if companies like Google and etc hadn't raised their voice, that bill quite probably would have gone through very easily.

    My point being.. Japan would need something like that. The politicians by themselves won't bother to act - well, they might, but they might not also. Having a widely culturally viewed 'holder of the truth' raise the issue though I would say, would do something about it.

    --

    edit. Although I did read a article by some professor about how after WWII, there was a case where some uprising by the Japanese educated youth was poorly handled - and as a side effect of that, the Japs became more passive and subservient then ever. The guy actually went as far as to say that it was a foundation on which anime, manga and all these escapist mediums grew upon; the jap youths essentially wanted to escape from their bitter reality because they felt they couldn't 'change the system'.

    edit2. Maybe the problem with Japan, is that they don't really have that 'charismatic leader' or entity to raise the issue. Just wait a little longer nips, me is coming to save you... I just hope I do so in time..

    Posted 3 years ago #
32. 

    jamesownsall
    

    tablespoon said:

    The general individual on the street is wayy too busy living their lives in these increasingly 'competitive' times to care about politics, about complex financial instruments and alien technical babble - in fact, they've never really cared about politics and these sorts of stuff as long as they are still able to live reasonably comfortable; only when issues become salient and often already raised by someone else, will they maybe join in and 'fight for their rights'.

    They want everything done by everyone else. SOPA for example - the only reason all that was dropped was because they had HUGE names like Google and 'expert' after 'expert' saying that it was a bad idea - not to mention the reasonable amount of media coverage of it on it; in those cases, for politicians and judges to actually pass the rule would be viewed as ridiculous by everyone who was watching (it's a very observable fact that the more salient the actions of those in power is, the less likely they abuse it).

    People don't really care about SOPA itself, most probably don't even know about it and what it was (I don't much tbh) - but they would care about the US government ignoring culturally widely held 'experts' - holders of the 'truth' - like 'Google' and 'Tim Burners Lee' the co-founder of the internet and going ahead with their actions.

    I'd make a big bet, and say that if companies like Google and etc hadn't raised their voice, that bill quite probably would have gone through very easily.

    You don't know the wrangling behind SOPA well enough when you mentioned it in such a way.

    Google was practically demonized by the House reps. The CEO was grilled to charcoal black during inquiry by the SOPA lawmakers who claimed that Google either didn't do enough, or was somehow endorsing piracy for its own profit. Even when SOPA as a draft was slammed by almost every technical experts in the industry, the votes from the politicians were too much in its favor, doubtlessly helped by all those years of campaign donations by the likes of MPAA and RIAA.

    The same politicians only cared to change their opinions when hundreds of thousands of people did their part and called or mailed their respective representatives, making them sure that they'd be booted out of the office in the next election. There wouldn't be that many people if most Americans don't give a fuck about politcs, would it?

    In Japan, most Japanese don't have the drive or the balls to do it. They cower in the face of the bureaucrats, forgetting that Japan being a democratic country means that they have the power to decide who gets the executive seats. BUT NO! "Politics is too inconvenient. Let the old people do that." Then a new law that no one likes passes and most will bitch and moan about it on 2ch, all the while ignoring the fact that it was all because of their willful ignorance.

    The netouyos were able to keep being aggressive because it's a patriotic issue; no one's going to arrest you for holding nationalist beliefs that's suppose to show that you actually 'love' your country like true patriots. Thing is, I don't believe most of the young netouyos care to vote either.

    As to whether giving a shit would make a difference or not, just look at the recent bullying case in Shiga. The authorities were going to let it slip like nothing happened until public awareness, spread from the internet and leaked into real life, made the cops reopen a year-old case and conducted fresh investigations. Last I heard, a few kids involved are already going to face charges. Mainstream media fanned the fires of rage, no doubt, but it only picked up from the internet after everyone and their mother blogged about it relentlessly.

    Posted 3 years ago #
33. 

    
    

    jamesownsall said:
    Google was practically demonized by the House reps. The CEO was grilled to charcoal black during inquiry by the SOPA lawmakers who claimed that Google either didn't do enough, or was somehow endorsing it for its own profit. Even when SOPA as a draft was slammed by almost every technical experts in the industry, the votes from the politicians were too much in its favor, doubtlessly helped by all those years of campaign donations by the likes of MPAA and RIAA.

    I know about that, I did read some articles about it at the time, and did in fact watch them actually doing the whole judging thing ('bring some nerds in' and all)..

    Maybe I was wrong about the whole politicians changing their mind - although I do reckon the judge did decide to prolong the whole thing or whatever he did at the end as a result of all the big names.

    But I meant that 'Google' and 'experts' played a different role also.

    People find it a lot easier to stand behind big names and big entities, they find it a lot easier to join in when others have already raised the issue; joining a riot is a lot more easier than starting a riot.

    The fact that big players like them were involved, was a significant reason why the general populace joined in- but nevermind actually, I'm not really agreeing with myself much anymore and making conclusions out of thin air anyway..

    Actually ended up agreeing with you in fact though.. maybe the nips just don't have that charismatic disruptor changer culture..

    Posted 3 years ago #
34. 

    jamesownsall
    

    tablespoon said:

    But I meant that 'Google' and 'experts' played a different role also.

    People find it a lot easier to stand behind big names and big entities, they find it a lot easier to join in when others have already raised the issue; joining a riot is a lot more easier than starting a riot.

    While Google was getting its credibility assasinated by MPAA and RIAA, yes, the field experts did help the public at large at understanding the utter FUBAR SOPA would reign upon Americans, even though blogs and websites around the internet were already trying to educate everyone concerned about the issues at the time. Of course, reading about some professor commenting against it in alternative publications(because the mainstream ones were suspiciously downplaying it) do kinda makes you feel that you can't be wrong.

    In Japan though? You won't see that many experts because the fuckers above them could start making their lives harder. Professors could be stripped off their positions, or made to. High-ranking technical experts could be thrown into obscurity by being assigned into fruitless projects, if they're lucky. Stuff like this has happened in the United States too, yes, but US companies and their lawyers would have to think more than twice because lawsuits stemming from such acts has been won before by the victims(in law, previous rulings may help in future arguments. that's why companies would be VERY AFRAID if a court decided against them; every future proceedings with similar issues will continue to cite previous rulings as a supporting fact. just look at recent Apple vs Samsung cases). The Japanese though just slip it all under the rug and call it a day.

    Well, I only said my piece of mind on it. Whether you would agree or not is up to you. I would recommend you to read more books on related issues if you're interested though. Libraries sometimes hold interesting books hidden away in those dusty shelves.

    Posted 3 years ago #
35. 

    
    

    jamesownsall said:
    Well, I only said my piece of mind on it. Whether you would agree or not is up to you. I would recommend you to read more books on related issues if you're interested though. Libraries sometimes hold interesting books hidden away in those dusty shelves.

    No, don't worry, I agree with you mostly. Sorry for wasting your time.

    Beginning to regret having posted here again also... Very, very, silly moment of weakness. At least my legendary charisma and sharp wit doesn't seem to be as overwhelming nowadays.

    Maybe now, I can finally interact comfortably with average people like you guys.

    Posted 3 years ago #
36. 

    あたしは月姫ですわ
    

    tablespoon said:
    At least my legendary charisma and sharp wit doesn't seem to be as overwhelming nowadays.

    Heh.

    

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