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Char said:
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Peter Barton said:
Lol I love his reviews.
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Nothing, I'm a pretty dark motherfucker. lol
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Satoko said:
giascle seems to sum it up rather nicely.Now I haven't seen anything "too dark" in the sense of "I can't watch this! It's just too grim!" but I have seen/read plenty of things overdoing their dark theme, making it rather uninteresting and just overall dull.
That still counts. The last "A" of DIAA is Apathy, so if a work is just so dark that you just don't give a damn about it anymore (or find it uninteresting and dull) then the work still counts as giving you Darkness Induced Audience Apathy. If the work in question is "Dark and Edgy" but you just end up laughing at it instead for trying too hard, that's something completely different.
Doesn't this also goes for "Lightness"? When you just know there will be a happy ending.
I don't think the reverse of DIAA is true, at least for me it isn't. Audiences expect a happy or at least somewhat happy ending as a matter of course, a given. When that doesn't happen, it's a deviation from the norm, and thereby off-putting. An audience can be conditioned during the work in question for something not so happy if a show uses dark humor/black comedy. If darkness is played off as humorous, it becomes easier to swallow for the audiences, and then their want for a "happy end" can be tempered. However, darkness played off as being serious will always be divisive, no matter what you do. Some people just don't want that from the get go. The ultimate fate of the work then rests on people who are willing to go through the darkness. If you layer on the darkness too thick and with hope or light to break it up, you risk alienating the audience that was willing to give it a chance in the first place, and you have then created a work which gives DIAA.
Maybe for some, the reverse of DIAA is true, but then they cannot be counted as "normal" members of the audience.
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Campy as hell but I realized this just might be the darkest thing Disney has ever made.
The dark part is what happened to the crew of the Cygnus.
Think about it the captain of the ship lobotomized his entire crew effectively turning them into robots.
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VillainousHanacha said:
That still counts. The last "A" of DIAA is Apathy, so if a work is just so dark that you just don't give a damn about it anymore (or find it uninteresting and dull) then the work still counts as giving you Darkness Induced Audience Apathy. If the work in question is "Dark and Edgy" but you just end up laughing at it instead for trying too hard, that's something completely different.
Honestly when it turns out that bad it just feels so overdone that I find it ridiculous enough to laugh at how hard it's trying.
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VillainousHanacha said:
Doesn't this also goes for "Lightness"? When you just know there will be a happy ending.
I don't think the reverse of DIAA is true, at least for me it isn't. Audiences expect a happy or at least somewhat happy ending as a matter of course, a given. When that doesn't happen, it's a deviation from the norm, and thereby off-putting. An audience can be conditioned during the work in question for something not so happy if a show uses dark humor/black comedy. If darkness is played off as humorous, it becomes easier to swallow for the audiences, and then their want for a "happy end" can be tempered. However, darkness played off as being serious will always be divisive, no matter what you do. Some people just don't want that from the get go. The ultimate fate of the work then rests on people who are willing to go through the darkness. If you layer on the darkness too thick and with hope or light to break it up, you risk alienating the audience that was willing to give it a chance in the first place, and you have then created a work which gives DIAA.
Maybe for some, the reverse of DIAA is true, but then they cannot be counted as "normal" members of the audience.
Your US-ness is showing:3
Most of the time happy endings are just simply stupid. I expect things to go even worse if they started to turn bad. The best example of this is the ending of Code Geass. If Lulu was saved by some stupid deus ex machina(like in most US series), I would say that the ending was stupid and it fucked up the whole series.
If the plot is laid down to show that the protagonist must suffer, then a happy ending will make the whole thing feel stupid, instead of a feeling of catharsis.Posted 3 years ago # -
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Char said:
the first Terminator movieHow so?
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pilu said:
Your US-ness is showing:3
If the plot is laid down to show that the protagonist must suffer, then a happy ending will make the whole thing feel stupid, instead of a feeling of catharsis.
Well I did say that to me personally the reverse of DIAA has not happened (that should clue you in on my tolerance for darkness in my fiction). I mean I liked the endings of Kanon and After Story, and I thought they were incredibly cathartic. I'm a sentimental bastard, and I like me some warm and fuzzy feelings.
But yeah, at the end of the day I am still an American. Like a lot of people from NYC, I consider myself a New Yorker first and American second (if at all). I like to think of NYC as being "different" than the rest of the country (and in a lot of ways it is, even culturally so in some cases), but the reality is that it is still a part of the US and base American values/thought processes still color it. But even from a person growing up surrounded by those values, I still wouldn't say that happy endings suck most of the time (once again though, I am a sentimental bastard).
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Madoka.
**sorry, spoilers** ... probably because I thought it was gonna be a cardcaptor-esque show, and then **** came from the far left field.Now and then, here and there
if you've seen it, you probably know the scene I'm referring to...Baccano
too depressing. period.I also stopped reading Elfen Lied, and any number of similar series...
When the author or director spends a whole slew of time introducing a character to us, making us feel for their plight only to outright kills them... and you realize they introduced the character like that in order to make me feel depressed at their death, I don't really want to give them my money anymore.
or put another way, I don't want to be jerked around for their amusement.Posted 3 years ago # -
giascle said:
How so?
It seemed much darker then the other terminator movies.
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Eleriel said:
Baccano
too depressing. period.What. Baccano! is really lighthearted, given the subject matter.
Char said:
It seemed much darker then the other terminator movies.
I guess it is, though it's dated now so it's something hard to take seriously.
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Come to think of it, maybe Bokurano, in some ways. I mean, the whole premise is "here's a handful of kids who are totally fucked, no matter what, so let's watch what they do while they are fucked over, one by one, and go crazy."
The whole show doesn't strike me as even slightly tragic. If anything, it is hilarious.
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oh yea... not baccano, I meant bokurano.
sorry, I ask for your understandingalso I think I stopped watching death note when they veered off from the manga... and I stopped reading and watching Gantz too.
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danhibiki said:
Code Geass.pfft.
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Yes, Bokurano. I had forgotten about that one. Also Narutaru.
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mere said:
Prometheus.Posted 3 years ago # -
Neko_musume said:
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Well, I might as well say what was just too dark for me.
I'm gonna go for the obvious at this point and say Madoka. My feelings about Madoka herself (and Sayaka) aside, One of the reasons I don't care for Madoka much is that at many points in the story the situation seemed truly hopeless and cruel in the worst possible way (of course I am talking about the cruel irony concerning the fate of the Puella Magi). Though possibly my biggest problem is that it often felt at times that Urobuchi's aim was not to create a great and entertaining Mahou Shoujo Anime, but to create a depressing and dark Mahou Shoujo Anime purely for the sake of being dark and depressing. That is in no way, shape or form appealing to me to be dark just for the sake of being dark. It has this "That's the way it is, DEAL with it!" attitude that if I wanted to hear more of, I would actually follow politics. Not to mention that this leads to what happened in Madoka, where Characters were not left to grow organically, but were mere tools of the plot, so as to inflict more despair upon either Madoka herself or the viewer (preferably both at the same time). Madoka, Mami and Sayaka were the biggest victims of being used as tools. Homura and Kyoko (my favorite of the Puella Magi)were victims of this far less often. It makes the writer seem like just a shock jockey, and one can only take the feeling of being doublecrossed so many times.
When the author or director spends a whole slew of time introducing a character to us, making us feel for their plight only to outright kills them... and you realize they introduced the character like that in order to make me feel depressed at their death, I don't really want to give them my money anymore.
or put another way, I don't want to be jerked around for their amusement.This. All the way.
So Madoka was too dark for me because of extremely cruel irony and a major lack of a "light at the end of the tunnel." Not to mention the issues that entail when being dark and depressing to shock people.
Deadman Wonderland also falls into this, although I will admit it's very much a victim of circumstance. It came out in the season right after Madoka, and I was in absolutely no mood to watch more dark material. I went into it only knowing that it was made by Manglobe, so I figured it was worth the watch (Samurai Champloo still stands as one of my favorite Anime of all time, and it most definitely has my favorite OST, of any TV show, period). I knew next to nothing about it's premise, so really I was setting myself up for failure. I made it 2 episodes in and I realized that that I was nowhere near ready for something like this after Madoka. I dropped it and I haven't touched it since. Really, this is my fault for not being informed enough to make a good decision.
Evangelion(the original series anyway) also falls into this for me, for similar reasons to Madoka (especially the End of Eva). It often feels to me that it was made for the purpose of saying that we all suck, and I am not one for being told I'm a horrible waste of skin. Not to mention all the things that seem tailor-made to inflict more despair upon Shinji.
To me at least, there is one definite safegaurd against DIAA and/or a show to dark for me to like it, and that is Rule of Cool. Show me enough awesome shit and badassery and I'll either forget or not care about any dark implications or bleakness of the setting.
Things like Hellsing and Black Lagoon get the pass from me just because of how chock-a-block with Rule of Cool they are. I could care less about the dark plot or events putting me off, those series are to full of badassery for me to give a damn!
The only series where this in question is Fate/Zero, where despite all of it's Rule of Cool, it waxes and waines in and out of DIAA for me. Most of that is from it's incomming sense of dread that never lifts, due to the fact that in order for the events of F/SN to happen, things have to end badly in F/Z. Not to mention Kiritsugu's cold brutality is hard to watch for any prolonged period (I am happy that ufotable did shorten his screentime somewhat). But besides all of the cool battles between the servants, the thing that keeps F/Z from fully giving me DIAA is Kiritsugu himself. He maybe a big source of why this show is so dark and depressing at times, but the last letter of DIAA is Apathy. I hate Kiritsugu, so that automatically means I'm not apathetic. Hating something means I give a damn in the first place, which is exactly what apathy is not. My feelings are also tempered by Urobuchi being less of a shock jockey in F/Z than in Madoka.
Those are the things I felt went to far with the despair.
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