Diorte said:
Chick pants are made specifically to fit the general chick's legs. They have less crotch room because there's nothing there,
Apparently the "scene guys" who wear girls pants don't have any problem.
Yeah right, a guys crotch doesn't need much breathing room. Tight pants aren't any tighter on the cock than briefs.
Diorte said:
and they're made to hug their legs and make them more attractive.
And yet no pants to hug a man's legs? You know, there are people out there who find a man's legs attractive.
Diorte said:
Guy pants have more crotch room
But again, they do need it. Nor do women need a tightness around the crotch area.
Diorte said:
guys still make the mistake of trying on chick pants.
That's not a mistake.
Diorte said:
but there's a reason for the difference.
Nope.
Diorte said:
they just help prevent your boobs from sagging and looking gross.
Oh, I thought there were because "women with big boobs need support". And it was a HEALTH thing. In that case, women don't need bras at all.
Diorte said:
Men boobs are gross to begin with
Your subjective viewpoint.
Diorte said:
There are toys targeted at all kids in general.
And this is how all toys should be.
Diorte said:
The only toys I actually see anymore that are gender-specific are dolls.
There's a lot more than that. But I don't see any reason for dolls to be more for girls than boys.
Diorte said:
Besides, Pokemon cards and toys and stuff are much more interesting than "dress up the girl" toys, so I don't really care about them.
Yes, in your EXTREMELY subjective viewpoint.
Diorte said:
I never had any boy-specific toys
You never had any action figures? Construction sets? Toy trucks?
Those are all toys targeted at boys.
I would also say that for the longest time, and still a little bit now, the video gaming industry has targeted itself toward boys.
Diorte said:
This is already happening.
Very very slowly. It's still not considered normal. I want it to stop being a gender role altogether. And it still is one.
Diorte said:
I actually like chicks with shorter hair.
So do I. But women having short hair is still considered butch.
Diorte said:
Guys with long hair do exist.
My words never implied they didn't. I implied that it being a looked down upon minority is simply not enough. Again, I said I want it to be considered as normal as guys with short hair, which it is not.
Guys with long hair still have a harder time getting a job. And they're still looked down upon by society for not conforming to this gender role.
Saying there is a gender role in no way implies there aren't deviations.
Diorte said:
Look at your stereotypical metalheads
Again, big deal. Your examples do nothing to contradict what I say.
Metalheads are not mainstream. Metalheads are not accepted by society.
I'm talking about a gender role here. Bringing up a group that is nonconformist does not change the fact this is a gender role.
Diorte said:
and Fabio, and Fabio's a fucking hunk.
To a few, he's attractive. And there's hundred of thousands of Visual Kei fangirls who swoon over men in make-up and dresses. (Oh, make-up, that's one gender role I forgot to bring up)
It's still a gender role nonconformity though.
Diorte said:
Quite a lot of lady models have short hair
I suppose if one added up all the female models in the world with short hair, into a big ol' flight hangar or someone, one might considered it "a lot". However, it's still an extremely minority. If 1/5000 female models has short hair, that would still be a lot of short haired models out there. But it would still be an extreme minority.
Diorte said:
so this one's really pointless.
Actually, your counterexamples are pointless.
Diorte said:
What are "jobs for men" and "jobs for women?" I don't know of any.
Construction work is considered of the "man" gender role.
Beautician is considered of the "woman" gender role.
Doctor is considered of the "man" gender role.
Nurse is considered of the "woman" gender role.
Almost any sports related career is considered of the "man" gender role.
Just to name a few.
Diorte said:
I'm a man, and I shave everything.
That's nice. But you're deviating from gender roles by doing it.
Diorte said:
Also, there are a lot of chicks who think body hair on a guy is hot
And there are guys like me who think body hair on a girl is hot.
Diorte said:
Also, the laser hair removal business is getting a lot more male customers, so more guys are getting rid of body hair anyways.
And I can only hope that continues to go up and become more normal.
Diorte said:
People can choose to do this anyways.
On every sector of the planet? I'd like to see evidence which points to that.
Diorte said:
This is a traditional, conservative thing, not so much to do with gender.
Being for gender roles, IS a conservative thing.
And it's a gender role thing. In most societies, it's considered a norm that in marriage, the wife takes the last name of the husband. This involves gender. And whether it's a choice or not, I would wish it more common for men to take on the name of the wife. And be considered as normal as the reverse.
Diorte said:
I don't really care, I do it both ways, and plenty of couples do. Nobody grew up being told "Son, you HAVE to be on top, otherwise you're not a man!"
Maybe not your parents, no. But your peers, the media industry, including and especially the porn industry, implies this is the way things should be. In fact, sexual norms imply in gender that if a woman wants to be dominant in bed, she's a lesbian, and if a man wants to be submissive in bed, she's gay. While this is not true at all.
A lot of peers will definitely say things like "Dude, if you don't want to be on top like that, what kind of pussy of a man are you?". Parents aren't as likely to even discuss such bedroom matters with their children.
Diorte said:
This one isn't even realistic.
Adding little quips like this at the end, doesn't change the lack of sensibility in your rebuttals.
Diorte said:
I don't know of any households who think like this. The man and woman have always been equal in every house I've been in.
I know quite a few. You must have been to some really nice houses.
I run across people who think housewiving should be encoraged. And from what I hear, it's certainly the norm in Japan.
Diorte said:
This probably won't ever happen anytime soon because of how easily someone can yell "Rape!"
Again, I didn't say it was important, or even feasible right probably. But I think that many people would benefit many people and society in general to have a few more unisex bathrooms. And people who go into them should be of an open mind anyway. Not prone to doing such things. Again, unisex bathrooms would benefit certain people, and I believe more need to exist. I'm not saying male and female bathrooms need to be done away with or anything. At least in our current era, at least.
But that'll bring me to a gender role discussion about rape later.
Diorte said:
Also, what if a woman has to take her little daughter to the bathroom? You don't want her accidentally seeing a grown man's penis do you?
Why should it be any better for a little boy to see a grown man's penis?
Diorte said:
Maybe it is where you are, but none of these are really issues around here. I've seen guys with chick pants, guys with long hair, chicks who don't shave, guys who do shave, women who are dominant, girls who play with the same toys boys do
Oh sure. But it's considered abnormal here. Being considered abnormal doesn't imply that it doesn't happen.
I bet people in your area call guys who wear girl pants "emo pussy faggots" and various other insults at their lack of masculinity.
"Some" does not imply anything against what I've been saying.
Diorte said:
pretty much everything you think doesn't happen.
What you're doing here, and what you've been doing here, is a strawman argument. I never said anything about it not happening. Or there being exceptions. I'm for getting rid of the GENDER ROLES.
Diorte said:
This is why I don't get what the big deal is oO
That would imply an awful lack of reading comprehension then, if you're not making a strawman argument on purpose.
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