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21. 

    Kudilicious
    

    triumf said:

    This is understood, but you have to understand that Soviets - specifically Russians faced the brunt of brutality by the axis and saw the war as a war for their survival, and by red patriots - a war of European survival against Nazis and Nazi collaborates

    This is understood, but you have to understand that the Nazis saw the war as a war for their survival, and by blond patriots - a war of European survival against commies and commie collaborators.

    Indoctrination of the belief that everything you do is part of some holy war is not an acceptable excuse for the rape and pillaging of people who did absolutely nothing to you.

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22. 

    Solru
    

    rolzy said:

    Well thats a secondary source so you never know if the woman is lying or not, do you? Japan killed thousands, Germany killed 6 mil or less, but Stalin killed about 25mil of their OWN race and Mao Zedong about 70mil in China.

    Every country in the world surely have done something horrible to their enemy, regardless of the scale.

    Well according to you everything about history is a lie?
    Everyone could be lying and all the book are bullshit because no one can prove they are not lying?
    What do those old ladies get for lying? Most of them can't even get marry because of what happend to them and you are telling me they lie so they can ruin their life?
    And yes every country probably did something horrible to someone else but that doesn't make it right does it?

    Posted 4 years ago # Quote
23. 

    giascle
    

    uber phallus said:
    History is written by the victors. The Allied won, so any truth by the Axis are censored.

    Maybe Japan did kill a lot of people but they never raped the women.
    Maybe the 6 million Jews story is not true and there never have been that many killed.

    Nazis and Tojos are also human, they fight for what they believe in, I respect them and I forgive them.

    This is one of the stupidest posts I've ever read

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24. 

    Sukunai
    

    Hitler did indeed make some incredible bad decisions based on incredibly bad ideology.

    When the Germans went into Russia, the Ukyraine for starters, they very well COULD have 'liberated' them from Stalin who was NOT loved by the Ukyranians. But no, the Germans were intent on living space Lebensraum and they had no use for the people living there. They considered them sub human and had no intention of actually letting any of them remain. They were not limited to just Jews.

    The Russians, well they had endured Stalin, and then were attacked by the Axis, and then their own military never really specialized in subtle either. By 1944, to the Russian war machine, anything not Russian was just something to roll over as brutally as desired.

    You can find Russians though, that will actually downplay some of Stalins years and actually even think he did some good things.

    I know of the book 'Other Losses' and it gets no polite comment on any scholarly military forum.
    But even though the Allies simply can't compete with the atrocities of the Germans and Japanese, it doesn't mean we went through the war as angels.

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25. 

    Trini D. King
    

    giascle said:

    This is one of the stupidest posts I've ever read

    Even the "history is written by the victors" part?

    Posted 4 years ago # Quote
26. 

    giascle
    

    I'd say this is required viewing for pretty much everyone.

    http://www.tubeplus.me/player/1055130/King_of_the_Hill/season_12/episode_7/Tears_of_an_Inflatable_Clown/

    Posted 4 years ago # Quote
27. 

    Dark Mage
    

    jamesownsall said:

    Of course, he meant someone who's proficient in Japanese.

    But with 2chan barring foreign IPs from posting, it only makes it more difficult.

    Difficult but not impossible it's nothing that getting a proxy located in Japan can't get around.
    BTW I've used a proxy in Japan for other purposes mostly for posting in the science sites back when the anti terror faggots were cracking down on chemistry.

    Now this brings me to some stuff many people in the US don't want to admit the US government created what eventually became Al Qaeda to fight the Russians.
    Really that's only the tip of the iceberg of a long list of things of questionable morality the government did during the cold war.

    Posted 4 years ago # Quote
28. 

    Sorrior
    

    @Char FINALLY someone else who realizes that without the US Al Quaida would not have existed. We trained them armed them and told them how yo do shit amd when they come ba k ANC fet us it's like we never had ANYTHING to do with it yeah motherfucking right.

    Posted 4 years ago # Quote
29. 

    Envoy Loves You
    

    my thoughts.

    The broken machine is dreaming
    eternally slumbering, playing the keys of time

    How many more nights must I spin
    before I can become the light that illuminates you?

    Don"t let go
    because I want to chase after you then escape
    at least hold me in your tender warmth, let me blossom

    Just call my name (I wanna be there with you)
    so call my name (I wanna be free so free.)
    the scattering fragments (After a while, I get worn down down down)*
    Please link together (I wanna be there with you. I wanna be free so free.)
    by your one arm (After a while, I get worn down down down.)
    I can still be myself?
    Could you get me out of this cipher?

    Within the infinitely reverberating tones,
    can you hear my voice?

    Don"t avert your eyes,
    even if I"m not the me you remember
    I will grasp the melody that composes from the blank void to tomorrow

    Just call my name
    So call my name
    the scattering fragments
    please count them by your arm
    I still want to be myself
    could you get me out of this cipher?

    Just call my name
    So call my name
    the scattering fragments
    please link together by you arm
    Just call my name
    So call my name
    burning in my gaze
    I want to sink down down to your chest
    Can I still be myself?
    Could you get me out of this cipher?

    Posted 4 years ago # Quote
30. 

    Kudilicious
    

    triniking1234 said:

    Even the "history is written by the victors" part?

    That's the stupidest part, at least as far as modern history goes.

    It may have been the case once upon a time, but recent developments in political correctness mean that history is very often written by the losers, precisely because people are so scared of presenting history as written by the winners. Because of course, they were the poor, innocent victims.

    Just look at the way imperialism is taught; you'd think that all non-European cultures were living in peace and harmony and those nasty honkies came along to destroy everything out of pure malice. There's little mention of the fact that most of the colonised peoples were already colonised by other empires that were often far more brutal (the Aztecs, the Ottomans, the Mughals etc.). Often, the only difference to the indigenous peoples was that their foreign oppressors were a different colour from the ones they had before, and were usually nicer. The Aztecs made the Conquistadores look like humanitarians. But they lost, so they're the poor, innocent victims.

    Just look at the way the Arab-Israeli conflict is taught; it tends to omit the fact that Israel's land grabs were after defensive wars against people who wiped them off the face of the Earth and are no different from the land grabs against Germany after the two world wars. But the Israelis are whiter and richer and are therefore evil, and the Arabs continually fail to finish the job their Austrian idol started, so their narrative is accepted without question by academia and the European mainstream media; look at how little scrutiny was given to the Mohammed al-Dura blood libel.

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31. 

    jamesownsall
    

    kudichan said:

    That's the stupidest part, at least as far as modern history goes.

    It may have been the case once upon a time, but recent developments in political correctness mean that history is very often written by the losers, precisely because people are so scared of presenting history as written by the winners. Because of course, they were the poor, innocent victims.

    Just look at the way imperialism is taught; you'd think that all non-European cultures were living in peace and harmony and those nasty honkies came along to destroy everything out of pure malice. There's little mention of the fact that most of the colonised peoples were already colonised by other empires that were often far more brutal (the Aztecs, the Ottomans, the Mughals etc.). Often, the only difference to the indigenous peoples was that their foreign oppressors were a different colour from the ones they had before, and were usually nicer. The Aztecs made the Conquistadores look like humanitarians. But they lost, so they're the poor, innocent victims.

    Just look at the way the Arab-Israeli conflict is taught; it tends to omit the fact that Israel's land grabs were after defensive wars against people who wiped them off the face of the Earth and are no different from the land grabs against Germany after the two world wars. But the Israelis are whiter and richer and are therefore evil, and the Arabs continually fail to finish the job their Austrian idol started, so their narrative is accepted without question by academia and the European mainstream media; look at how little scrutiny was given to the Mohammed al-Dura blood libel.

    Don't care much about Palestine anymore. Shit ain't gonna be over until the apocalypse I tell ya.

    Just that my respect for the Arabs have been corroding since the past few years. Rich sheikhs wasting their oil money making huge projects that serve mainly as a dick-size competition, government officials claiming to hold the principals of Islam yet acting in opposite of it... They're like a collection of internally conflicted and in-denial individuals.

    Posted 4 years ago # Quote
32. 

    Travis
    

    kudichan said:

    That's the stupidest part, at least as far as modern history goes.

    It may have been the case once upon a time, but recent developments in political correctness mean that history is very often written by the losers, precisely because people are so scared of presenting history as written by the winners. Because of course, they were the poor, innocent victims.

    Just look at the way imperialism is taught; you'd think that all non-European cultures were living in peace and harmony and those nasty honkies came along to destroy everything out of pure malice. There's little mention of the fact that most of the colonised peoples were already colonised by other empires that were often far more brutal (the Aztecs, the Ottomans, the Mughals etc.). Often, the only difference to the indigenous peoples was that their foreign oppressors were a different colour from the ones they had before, and were usually nicer. The Aztecs made the Conquistadores look like humanitarians. But they lost, so they're the poor, innocent victims.

    Just look at the way the Arab-Israeli conflict is taught; it tends to omit the fact that Israel's land grabs were after defensive wars against people who wiped them off the face of the Earth and are no different from the land grabs against Germany after the two world wars. But the Israelis are whiter and richer and are therefore evil, and the Arabs continually fail to finish the job their Austrian idol started, so their narrative is accepted without question by academia and the European mainstream media; look at how little scrutiny was given to the Mohammed al-Dura blood libel.

    I would love to know the point at which people suddenly became so sensitive that the entire world had to walk on eggshells. Its truly baffling...

    Posted 4 years ago # Quote
33. 

    Sukunai
    

    triniking1234 said:

    Even the "history is written by the victors" part?

    Today too much history is being taught by kids with university degrees that weren't breathing when the event happened. Sure they can often get some great new material not readily available when the iron curtain closed off a lot of access to sources. but sometimes you need to get the perspective from the people that had to live through it.

    When I say Jap, it is really just the short form of Japan/Japanese. During the war, 'Jap' was short form for a lot of very hostile ill will and negativity. There was no political correctness in the voice of the commentator. "kill your Jap" and "know your Jap" was not uncommon, and I can assure you, no one had ANY trouble deciding to nuke those too cities. They were more concerned over wasting rare weapons grade material that they might need later for the next enemy.

    Politics is fickle. The US created a lot of their future enemies. They MADE Ho Chi Minh as he was convenient for fighting Japan. They made Saddam Hussein, he was convenient for countering Iran. They made the problems in A-stan when it was convenient for annoying the then Russian 'invaders' who likely saw the place the same way we currently see the same place (a place that creates political problems).

    It's no longer easy to produce lies thanks to the internet, but it hasn't made circulating the truth any easier thanks to capable programs that can easily invent seemingly damning 'evidence'.

    Posted 4 years ago # Quote
34. 

    jamesownsall
    

    Sukunai said:

    It's no longer easy to produce lies thanks to the internet, but it hasn't made circulating the truth any easier thanks to capable programs that can easily invent seemingly damning 'evidence'.

    I think what you're trying to say is that there is no real truth. Only half truths and pure lies.

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35. 

    Kudilicious
    

    travtrav said:

    I would love to know the point at which people suddenly became so sensitive that the entire world had to walk on eggshells. Its truly baffling...

    The aftermath of WWII and the backlash against Nazism and the Holocaust is where it all started, although the social changes of the 60s were the main catalyst. Fear of an ideology that has been dead in the water for almost 70 years still has a strong influence on political discourse.

    Posted 4 years ago # Quote
36. 

    Sukunai
    

    jamesownsall said:

    I think what you're trying to say is that there is no real truth. Only half truths and pure lies.

    Nope what I am saying is almost everyone has a cellphone and internet access and can in an instant tell the entire planet just about anything.

    But then again, just about anyone can also get access to video editing software or photo editing software, so just because you saw it on the internet is not automatically proof of anything.

    If something really matters, they can likely get the required pro to determine if it has been messed with, and then only a total genius can fool us because it takes a lot of genius to fool the other pros out there.

    Posted 4 years ago # Quote
37. 

    Sukunai
    

    My main beef with the Holocaust lies in how we learned sweet fuck all from it.

    Bosnia, Rwanda, Cambodia, Georgia, I could list places for some time before running out.

    Humanity learned precisely nothing from WW2's massive loss of life.

    We are a vicious species. And any aliens watching would do well to never forget it.

    Posted 4 years ago # Quote
38. 

    Dark Mage
    

    Sorrior said:
    @Char FINALLY someone else who realizes that without the US Al Quaida would not have existed. We trained them armed them and told them how yo do shit amd when they come ba k ANC fet us it's like we never had ANYTHING to do with it yeah motherfucking right.

    Some people do questionable things under the guise of patriotism such as the entire patriot act.

    Samuel Johnson probably said it best "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

    Posted 4 years ago # Quote
39. 

    Sorrior
    

    Char said:

    Some people do questionable things under the guise of patriotism such as the entire patriot act.

    Samuel Johnson probably said it best "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

    tell me about it man. Also nice quote though I also really like

    "it's darkest under the lighthouse"

    at least as far as politicians go.

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