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History, the bitter reality, and what people want to believe

  1. To be honest, I am getting a bit bored of seeing the pathetic excuse that passes for 'history' as it is known in Japan.
    But in fairness, history is hardly something known with any meaningful level of detail and accuracy anywhere else.

    Canada was NOT part of the 'bad guys' in the last century, but hey just ask one of our Native Peoples and they can dig up some skeletons just fine.

    But Japan initiated a course of action in the 20th century, that resulted in MILLIONS of people being brutally edited from the tree of life in as many horrible ways as possible.
    Korea, China, and just about anyone living on their side of the Pacific Ocean has no shortage of reasons for hating anything Japanese.

    It's a wonder at all, that anything 'made in Japan' means squat to anyone out of Japan at all.

    In 1970, I think I would likely be inclined to laugh at the sheer stupidity of the notion I would like anything much about the country aside from their being 'the other side' in most of my wargames, and the nation responsible for a lot of horrible history.

    But times change, and today I think Tamiya is the king of models. I like the Nintendo DS and I have a Sony TV as well as a PS3.

    But I think it is time for the USA to walk out of running Japan, protecting Japan, and enforcing a method of government on Japan that is really only a reflection of conditions that no longer have any relevance to the needs of the USA.
    The only reason the USA has troops on Japanese soil, is because they are there to keep an eye on regional commies and the Russians (who are no longer commies, but no less the concern).

    It's time the Japanese were told 'look your constitution is your business', rewrite if you want'. Because in the end, what is written there can always be edited eh. Just like the USA doesn't need anyone's permission to just re write their own. Granted the wording might require some careful thinking.

    But it is also time the Japanese realised, 'hey you killed millions of Asians and peoples of the Pacific, and you might want to make a military capable of dealing with the fact THEIR history books likely remember things differently.

    And that's what counts eh. I have no shortage of documentaries that recorded the 20th century juuuuuuust fine. I KNOW why the Japanese seem to think it is not odd to bury what we considered mass murdering psychos, in a public location normally reserved for men who died under more noble conditions.
    The common schmuck Japanese fighting man of the early to mid 20th century was ok with dying for the emporer. They had a system of beliefs that made it that way. You didn't mourn the dead, you knew they were still around, and that they had died with honour. That is their way.

    They don't see war dead the way we do in the west. Banzai charges were not 'useless wastes' to the Japanese.

    But the revisionist crap is getting a bit much. It's illegal to deny the holocaust in Germany. They feel deep shame for that fucking Austrian corporal and his sick fucking cronies.
    Myself, I wouldn't have any beef whatsoever with beating a neo nazi to death. It was permissible to kill them in the 40s, and I am in no way feeling bad about killing off the last of their illness even today.

    Freedom of speech my fucking hairy ass.

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  2. You know,... there are still lots and lots of Neo~Nazi Cells all over the place. Who continue to spread the words of haters & xenophobia of other cultures different from themselves.

    You can still participate in exterminating any that you happen to encounter.

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  3. UncommonOtaku said:
    You know,... there are still lots and lots of Neo~Nazi Cells all over the place. Who continue to spread the words of haters & xenophobia of other cultures different from themselves.

    You can still participate in exterminating any that you happen to encounter.

    Let's just put it this way...

    In Germany, you'll kill your political career if you mention something that even vaguely resembles your support of Nazi ideology.

    In Japan, you can climb up the ladder in political parties real fast if you support pre-Hiroshima nationalism and hawkish policies.

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  4. Many sides of the story in history.

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  5. Maybe we should just ask someone to ask 2chan right-wingers why they believe Japan shouldn't be held accountable.

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  6. uhmm,... because the accountants don't speak engrish?

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  7. UncommonOtaku said:
    uhmm,... because the accountants don't speak engrish?

    Of course, he meant someone who's proficient in Japanese.

    But with 2chan barring foreign IPs from posting, it only makes it more difficult.

    Strangely, I was told most young Japanese are not interested in politics. Does that imply that most of those right-wingers in 2chan are NEETs and hikikomoris in their 40s? Either way, they're not contributing jackshit to their country like that, lol.

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    Doesn't this belong in the "Japan" category? Oh, well.

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  9. torchicblaziken said:
    Doesn't this belong in the "Japan" category? Oh, well.

    Duly noted.

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  10. Like the nazis, I support worker's rights. Are you going to kill me now?

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  11. History is written by the victors. The Allied won, so any truth by the Axis are censored.

    Maybe Japan did kill a lot of people but they never raped the women.
    Maybe the 6 million Jews story is not true and there never have been that many killed.

    Nazis and Tojos are also human, they fight for what they believe in, I respect them and I forgive them.

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  12. uber phallus said:
    History is written by the victors. The Allied won, so any truth by the Axis are censored.

    Maybe Japan did kill a lot of people but they never raped the women.
    Maybe the 6 million Jews story is not true and there never have been that many killed.

    Nazis and Tojos are also human, they fight for what they believe in, I respect them and I forgive them.

    Too bad they did find some woman that was rape during the invasion of Japan in china a few years ago and did a interview.
    The reason the Japan government never officially admit the soldier did rape alot of woman is because some of them is still alive and they will have to pay alot of money to them if they do. The Chinese government never help those poor soul because they want to maintance the shitty relationship they have with Japan.

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  13. Solru said:

    Too bad they did find some woman that was rape during the invasion of Japan in china a few years ago and did a interview.
    The reason the Japan government never officially admit the soldier did rape alot of woman is because some of them is still alive and they will have to pay alot of money to them if they do. The Chinese government never help those poor soul because they want to maintance the shitty relationship they have with Japan.

    Well thats a secondary source so you never know if the woman is lying or not, do you? Japan killed thousands, Germany killed 6 mil or less, but Stalin killed about 25mil of their OWN race and Mao Zedong about 70mil in China.

    Every country in the world surely have done something horrible to their enemy, regardless of the scale.

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  14. rolzy said:

    Well thats a secondary source so you never know if the woman is lying or not, do you? Japan killed thousands, Germany killed 6 mil or less, but Stalin killed about 25mil of their OWN race and Mao Zedong about 70mil in China.

    Every country in the world surely have done something horrible to their enemy, regardless of the scale.

    Not to defend Stalin or Mao, but a majority of the deaths were due to poor economic, environmental, and agrarian planning that were meant to benefit the people and state.
    - ex: Ukrainian S.S.R's famine

    ...and I'm pretty sure Japanese killings of civilians hit a minimum of at very least 3 million.

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  15. formstront said:
    Like the nazis, I support worker's rights. Are you going to kill me now?

    Like Communists, You support worker's rights. Can we get Gantz_Playboy to bitch at you now?

    What's your point?

    By the way! Nice username, Tan pride world wide.

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  16. formstront said:
    Like the nazis, I support worker's rights. Are you going to kill me now?

    "Workers rights" is a euphemism for communism. Die.

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  17. uber phallus said:
    History is written by the victors. The Allied won, so any truth by the Axis are censored.

    Maybe Japan did kill a lot of people but they never raped the women.
    Maybe the 6 million Jews story is not true and there never have been that many killed.

    Nazis and Tojos are also human, they fight for what they believe in, I respect them and I forgive them.

    I really don't believe the "History is written by the victors" issue is always constant. It was possible for people in earlier times but we know in full the ideologies and actions of the Axis. You don't think that censoring the Allies would happen if the Axis had won?

    Maybe is not the same as fact. This was a war in a time when communications where more advanced than in previous eras. We know a lot of what wrongdoings the Axis did just like we know a lot of what wrongdoings the Allies did.

    Just because the Nazis and Tojos were also human, doesn't mean what they did was. Yes, they fought for what they believe in. But what they believe in was SHIT! There's nothing to really to forgive them in particular for.

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  18. uber phallus said:
    History is written by the victors. The Allied won, so any truth by the Axis are censored.

    Maybe Japan did kill a lot of people but they never raped the women.
    Maybe the 6 million Jews story is not true and there never have been that many killed.

    Nazis and Tojos are also human, they fight for what they believe in, I respect them and I forgive them.

    It is noble to forgive them, and that part of the post I won't find fault with.

    But "Maybe Japan did kill a lot of people but they never raped the women." is so full of crap it is amazing you actually risked typing such outright stupidity. I wouldn't suggest voicing comments like that in mainland Asia, you might not get treated very well.

    Technically "Maybe the 6 million Jews story is not true and there never have been that many killed." can get you arrested in some countries not just Germany. A lot of people don't take kindly to fools pretending that time never happened as stated. Maybe you need to watch some of the documentaries I have watched. Unless of course you think all that film was faked.

    What is not normally known (seeing as the Axis powers lost), are some of their opponents ie the Allied powers, less than noble actions.

    For instance, in Normandy, in actions connected to the Canadian troops, we didn't always give a hoot about German prisoners. You can bet when we went up against the Hitler Youth SS panzer Division, some of our guys just didn't feel like accepting their surrender.

    The conditions of German troops who became prisoners following the end of the war in Europe, could have been in some cases 'better'.
    And in some cases, the Allied powers likely spent more effort following the letter of the deal in handing over troops to the Russians, than made sense (considering the way the Russians conducted business).

    The war was a very horrible time in humanity's record. If you were female, chances are if you were East European your chances of being given a free dose of Russian dna was amazingly good. Your little sister, your mother, heck your grand mother likely experienced a Russian.
    Keep in mind how thrilling it was to be a Russian for several years before the Russians won that payback.

    Not that Stalin and his crazy ways were any better.

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  19. @ Sukunai

    There's a book written in 1989 titled "Other Losses" by a Canadian writer James Bacque, which alleges upwards of 1 million German POWS died of starvation and neglect at the hands of the US at the end of the war and with the tacit approval of Eisenhower.

    You almost never hear anything about this and I have never seen a documentary about it on the History channel. If Mr. Bacques allegations are correct that would definitely be a case of the victors writing a selective history.

    As far as the contrversy between Nazis and Russians, I had a coworker who had immigrated from Poland with his parents in the 1950s. His parents (non-Jews) were farmers in a small town. His father said that at least in his mind the German occupation was much preferable to the Russians. The Germans were hard disciplinarians but as long as you obeyed the rules they left you pretty much alone and your property was untouched.

    When the Russians "liberated" Poland they descended like locust stealing everything that wasn't nailed down like livestock, furniture, clothing and personal possesions. His father went to town one day to get some supplies and was accosted at gunpoint by Russian soldiers and thrown onto a bus. He was taken to Russia (Siberia) and had to work in a gulag for the next three years. When they released him they just opened the gate and threw him outside in the middle of nowhere. It was up to him to get back home and they couldn't care less if he lived or died. He was never told why he was picked out or if he charged with some offense. No need to explain who he hated more, Russians or Germans.

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  20. gyakusouhime said:
    @ Sukunai

    There's a book written in 1989 titled "Other Losses" by a Canadian writer James Bacque, which alleges upwards of 1 million German POWS died of starvation and neglect at the hands of the US at the end of the war and with the tacit approval of Eisenhower.

    I wouldn't use that book if I were you, if you use it in any World War or Post War classes you will get ridiculed - I've seen it happen before;
    he misreads documents and omits, whether intentional or not, information

    Don't get me wrong though, the Allies (sans Soviets) did a lot of bad things like the bombing of Dresden, occasionally killing POWS on-sight, and providing refuge to the very people they perceived engaging in crimes against humanity.

    gyakusouhime said:When the Russians "liberated" Poland they descended like locust stealing everything that wasn't nailed down like livestock, furniture, clothing and personal possesions.

    This is understood, but you have to understand that Soviets - specifically Russians faced the brunt of brutality by the axis and saw the war as a war for their survival, and by red patriots - a war of European survival against Nazis and Nazi collaborates

    of course this makes things messy when you take it from the view of someone from the Baltic and/or Central Europe.

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