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   桂 言葉 死
   

   [EDIT] ~ I hope I get this right!

   I added a Poll... though I only placed the items that came to mind at the time, so if I missed out on a subcata sorry about that...

   Greetings ~

   I had to think on how to begin this thread topic... as its always a "Touchy" one to start off with.

   It's akin to a Political Topic and the old adage is true: "(NEVER) speak (about) Politics, let alone Religion"...(both) are HOT topics.

   But, let me start off with the question that started this Topic..

   Hayami said:

   Like Solace said, "The trouble isn't the abuse, it's this hysteria." and "(...) you're creating harm where there is none."

   The burned (or drowned) ones aren't just the witches...
   Did Pedophilia Hysteria Cause Child's Death?
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   @ Deth
   I'm not sure how to word it the best, but personally

   I'd like the thread to focus on the contrast between our perception of certain religions (like Christianity, Islam or even Buddhism (remember Agnes)) as a threat to our freedom and examples proving that this perception might be wrong.

   Though sure it's also interesting how Wiccans perceive extreme/deviant/"evil" art & ideas.

   In particular, can creation or distribution of such works be construed as "harm" so that it would violate the key moral system?

   Well, I don't think it could have been said any better than that...

   So, lets begin this thread...

   We know what's going on currently... but just (how much) does religion actually have a say behind this all?

   I will not speak for all (other) Faiths, each are different, and I know that certain ones are ALL OUT to BAN anything remotely different...(to me that's insanity)

   However, for me being, a Solitary...I like to glean in all that I can...so I can learn.
   However, I don't see it as a reason to condemn such activity, nor to hide behind it in order to attack it.

   I don't think religion should be used in such a way, as an excuse (because) someone had a hard life or to ~ correct mistakes/choices ~ that were made in life, expecting religion to save and grant - "instant" - salvation.

   Thats *just* not the way it works..

   (now) ~

   (Religion) is shown within the animé, games, (that I personally seen and played) and since I am always a curious one, I enjoy doing the research behind it, once a particular religion is shown... Shinto (as an example)...

   I find that fascinating...and so I am asking questions and wondering... and learning.

   I (also) always find it fascinating that for some animé (Witchcraft) and Pagan symbolism is always present in some animé.

   Which doesn't bother me in the least, but I will wait to explain it further, as the responses come in concerning this and questions arise...

   Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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   blazefreak
   

   it impacts anime quite a bit. if there werent any religion on earth there wont be many great anime series such as dragonball.

   Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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   sycamore
   

   It depends on the religon and the individual in that religon.

   Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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   null
   

   You use a lot of parentheses.

   EDIT:
   That's not a criticism or anything. Just curious.

   Anyway, I honestly don't pay a lot of attention to how religion affects or is presented in anime. I'll see certain aspects of things like Shinto and not understand them and maybe research the individual customs, but as a whole, religion doesn't interest me.

   As for our perception of some of the mainstream religions which you mentioned... Well, in a theoretical perfect world we'd all judge actions by the individual and not the group. And religions wouldn't be criticized as a result of the actions of a few select members of their faith. Theoretically, religions themselves shouldn't be held accountable for anything they do not directly influence (and of which they are not a major influence).

   EDIT:
   (Actually, in my opinion only, a perfect world would have no need for religion. But that's a completely different area of discussion.)

   My post in a tl;dr format: "[Insert blanket statements here in a vague effort to discuss the subject without ideas or specific examples.]"

   Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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   桂 言葉 死
   

   null said:
   You use a lot of parentheses.

   EDIT:
   That's not a criticism or anything. Just curious.

   No offence taken ... just a way that I distinguish my writing.. some are annoyed by it and some don't care.

   [edit]
   Trying to correct that as well... I do (also) have a tendency to tl/dr my posts, which is why I also use the KISS format at times. ~ Trying to curb a bad form/habit.

   Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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   null
   

   Deth said:

   No offence taken ... just a way that I distinguish my writing.. some are annoyed by it and some don't care.

   [edit]
   Trying to correct that as well... I do (also) have a tendency to tl/dr my posts, which is why I also use the KISS format at times. ~ Trying to curb a bad form/habit.

   I really don't want to derail this into grammar (especially so early), but my curiosity stems from the fact that in some cases you appear to be using parentheses in a traditional role for side-thoughts or unimportant information, in other cases for emphasis, and even in some cases allowing the sentence to complete two different thoughts or questions with the same set of words. And for some, I can't figure out what your intended use is at all.

   Anyway, I'd love to talk religion, despite my limited knowledge of some of them, but I'm afraid I don't have any examples or topics and would much better contribute once I have something direct and specific to which I can reply. Mainly: I don't have all that many general opinions on religion relating to anime since I haven't taken enough notice of it.

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   桂 言葉 死
   

   null said:

   I really don't want to derail this into grammar (especially so early), but my curiosity stems from the fact that in some cases you appear to be using parentheses

   >snip<

   ...in other cases for emphasis

   Yes, that's usually why I use parentheses. Plus, its a habit I always had.

   Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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   rudiguur
   

   Not really sure whats being asked here so i will just do short comments.

   religion does impact it, how it does it, depends on the anime religion, individual etc...

   I am catholic, in anime my religion (From what i have seen) is usually made out to be some secret like organization that holds info on and fights vampires / demons. I personally could care less how they portray it, an anime is fictitious, Though its funny to think that some ppl might believe the Vatican libraries are filled with countless text about demons and vampires or that the vatican develops warriors to fight them. I would hope the creator of the anime would be creative though and branch out a bit, and if it is portrayed negatively.....so be it, ppl who get their info off of an anime and only an anime can think whatever they want.

   Catholic church gets enough bad press in the real media and the like to care about how its portrayed in anime

   As a catholic, i am all for hentai and the like, things the catholic church would most likely be against, but i am for most things the catholic church is against such as gay marriage, pro choice, sex before marriage, etc....

   Religion should NEVER EVER be used as an excuse for censorship. I firmly believe church and state should always be separate.

   Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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   Muzaffar
   

   Don't know, don't care.
   Nuff said.

   Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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    Hayami
    

    Sigh... I guess it's too late to say it, but the title and the poll don't represent my question very well (I couldn't reply yesterday because it was really late already, in fact I had just 4 hours to sleep >.< )
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    How religions are represented in anime? - Sorry, but it has nothing to do with my question.
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    How do religions impact anime, manga, H games in general? - A bit too vague.
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    What I want to know is:
    Are there some people who are fervent Christians/Muslims/Buddhists YET defenders of freedom of speech, inclusive our right to create and publish extreme H manga, anime, games (loli, brutal rape, guro, etc.)?
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    Why I want to know this? Because I don't want to do them the same injustice as it's done to us by some/many haters of these extreme art genres. They say that we don't have ethics or/and are a danger to the society. We say that they falsely generalize us and don't respect our freedom. But are they ALL biased and intolerant? Would be it futile to start a dialogue?
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    I don't mean just Christians/Muslims/Buddhists, I mean deeply religious people, the ones to whom their belief is very important.
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    The question is especially interesting for me because I found their stance on some topics and their courage admirable, and not just once. Is it the best for us to avoid each other anyway?

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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    桂 言葉 死
    

    Hayami said:
    Sigh... I guess it's too late to say it, but the title and the poll don't represent my question very well (I couldn't reply yesterday because it was really late already, in fact I had just 4 hours to sleep >.< )

    AHHHH... I knew this was going to happen...

    Sir/Ma'am I apologize for this... I take full responsibility for this massive miserable - *FAIL*!!

    No excuse...

    I was soo worried about its wording , that the wording was what turned out to be wrong! >.<

    I wanted to (somehow) communicate with ya, in order to get the correct wording created, but, since it was impossible... well, it turned out this way...

    BAH!

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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    Hayami
    

    It's OK. Perhaps I should have expressed it in a more direct manner >.<
    .
    But could you answer my question about possible interpretations of the key moral system? Not in general, but just this specific question quoted above. Sure you don't have to if you don't feel comfortable about it though.

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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    a lolicon
    

    rudiguur said:
    ...Though its funny to think that some ppl might believe the Vatican libraries are filled with countless text about demons and vampires...

    It does contain information on how to perform exorcisms and such... It might not contain "countless texts" about demons (probably not many about vampires :P), but it's sure to contain quite a few ;) Who knows what their secret library contains...

    OT:

    I have no problem with games/anime series including religions or religious ideas; Hellsing, To Aru Majutsu no Index & Bōnen no Zamudo would probably suck without them.

    What I do have a problem with are people who go ape whenever their religion is put in a bad light, their scripture is taken literally, or their god/messenger/saint-whatever is used... "wrongly."

    Step on the wrong toe and you'll get a fucking bomb in your mailbox, sent by express from somewhere in the middle east. Some people take their perticular brand of religion way too seriously.

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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    rudiguur
    

    a lolicon said:

    It does contain information on how to perform exorcisms and such... It might not contain "countless texts" about demons (probably not many about vampires :P), but it's sure to contain quite a few ;) Who knows what their secret library contains...

    this is true, the library which holds copies of EVERY historical text, document, or book that the catholic church at one time or another used, beleived or wrote........SO it would contain things concerning vampires, witches, wereolves and the like because at points in history these creatures were considered as real and as much to be feared as actual Humans......so you are right in that, they would not get rid of such text because its for historical sake and to see the progression of the church..........and They would hold text there on exorcisms, prolly lots of texts on the matter.....though i believe the Catholic Church Only has "one official" text on performing exorcisms today. But let's just say these text are not consulted on a daily basis to deal with the coming apocalypse or the vampire problem they are for tradition and historical sake.

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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    桂 言葉 死
    

    Hayami said:
    It's OK. Perhaps I should have expressed it in a more direct manner >.<

    But could you answer my question about possible interpretations of the key moral system? Not in general, but just this specific question quoted above. Sure you don't have to if you don't feel comfortable about it though.

    I don't mind the questions..

    However ~ a request:

    Please direct each Q in a direct manner (possible KISS format) and I will answer it/them.

    It's NOT that I don't understand the Q, I want to be sure that I do not misunderstand it (nor) go off on a answer that would not be the one you are seeking.

    I appreciate it.

    Respects!

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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    Hayami
    

    Deth said:

    I don't mind the questions..

    However ~ a request:

    Please direct each Q in a direct manner (possible KISS format) and I will answer it/them.

    It's NOT that I don't understand the Q, I want to be sure that I do not misunderstand it (nor) go off on a answer that would not be the one you are seeking.

    I appreciate it.

    Respects!

    KiSS format? ^^
    ( seriously, I've no clue what's KISS format ^^; )

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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    桂 言葉 死
    

    Hayami said:

    KiSS format? ^^
    ( seriously, I've no clue what's KISS format ^^; )

    KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid

    Please note that its not saying that the person is stupid... its a term used by the military at times.

    I just like to be sure of the questions (at hand)... as I like them ~ direct ~ its allot easier.

    Had allot going on this day... so its easier..

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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    Hayami
    

    I see, I should have checked urban dictionary >.<
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    Well, I just wanted to know if you encountered intolerance (as in "it should be banned/destroyed") to works of fantasy (from Maupassant to extreme H manga/games, to Ethnic Cleansing (video game), etc.) from Wiccans. And if yes, did these people assume that these works of fiction are harmful in terms of "An it harm none, do what ye will."
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    I hope it's simple enough, otherwise I give up :D
    .
    Note: I didn't even know that games like "Ethnic Cleansing" exist, I just wikied for controversial games. But would support the right to create similar games even if they targeted my own gender/race/nation.

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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    桂 言葉 死
    

    Hayami said:

    Well, I just wanted to know if you encountered intolerance (as in "it should be banned/destroyed") to works of fantasy (from Maupassant to extreme H manga/games, to Ethnic Cleansing (video game), etc.) from Wiccans. And if yes, did these people assume that these works of fiction are harmful in terms of "An it harm none, do what ye will."

    In answer to your question...

    I have not encountered ~ anything ~ of the sort... and when I was working, I was around allot of different personalities...from all religions.

    But (none) actually said anything derogatory towards anything I liked, and they knew of my Animé/Hentai leanings.

    My fellow Wiccans (also) never mentioned anything of the sort, I will take that as a quiet respect towards something different, unique, (plus) I think they knew that it was basically ~ a case of "fantasy verses real"

    I hope this answers your question..

    Posted 6 years ago # Quote
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    Hayami
    

    Thank you~

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